Thanks...good info!

Good tip!

What is the working time with this glue before putting the 2 pieces together? I am going to be looking to bond long miter cuts which have been routered with a locking 45 degree router bit to make columns which will be relatively long. Like the looks of this glue just hope it has a long enough work time.

@enduringcharm

4 жыл бұрын

First, let me caution you to try that locking miter joint dry before doing anything. I've NOT had great success with the locking miter joint on PVC, especially on long runs. The slightest variation while cutting the joint, which is likely given the floppy nature of PVC boards, and the joint won't line up correctly. I typically just cut a 45 or 45 1/2 on a table saw and use the glue with stainless brad nails to hold it together. The process is much faster and I've not had any long term problems with the joints. Anyway, this glue has enough working time to get the joints together as long as you don't dilly-dally around. Get your boards ready, apply the glue, and put it together. You can't do multiple joints at once, but there's time to do one by one.

very good where can white hot be purchased cannot find it anywhere

@enduringcharm

4 жыл бұрын

If you can't find it at a local lumberyard, you could try this link: www.pvctrimwelder.com/whitehotonepartthickandwhitepvctrimadhesive.aspx

@leevardeman4053

4 жыл бұрын

Two 5oz tubes, $17.18. UPS Ground, $23.75.

Thanks for this. Do you know where to get, or how to make, pvc biscuitsfor a biscuit jointer?

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

They do make plastic biscuits, not PVC. You can find them online and occasionally at the box stores if you get lucky.

@shanep5121

Жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm I am new to this. Will plastic work?

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

What are your trying to build?

@shanep5121

Жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm I got a killer deal on PVC boards and I am using it for door and window trim and baseboard.

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

Well, you may not be as excited about PVC after working with it for a little bit. It's not typically used for interior trim applications because it expands and contracts pretty dramatically with changes in temperature. Wood expands and contracts with moisture changes, so mixing the two can be a problem. Plus, it is rather floppy, so it may conform to surfaces rather than span imperfections. Another significant problem is that PVC offers no structural support. Door trim, for example, is used to keep the door jamb aligned. PVC would not be able to offer that support. If you are using biscuits to help keep seams aligned, the plastic biscuits would work. However, if this is interior work I suppose you could just use wood biscuits anyway. It's not necessary to glue the biscuits in place if they are just used for alignment. If you are using PVC glue on the seams, that will hold pretty well once cured.

I need to make an outside coroner from 2 pieces of 1.75x1.75 lattice, can this be done?

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

If I understand you correctly, you want to marry up two pieces of lattice on an outside corner using glue? You didn't mention how large those pieces would be or where they are located. Presumably this is a deck or porch and the lattice is a couple feet high or more? Or, are you talking about individual pieces of lattice trim rather than 4x8 sheets of it? And if so do you mean on a long edge or not?

@josephdeutsch7632

Жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm It is an outside corner in a bathroom, they would be about 8 fret long, I would have to measure then glue, thank you for asking more questions, joe d

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to do, then. Lattice is very thin, probably an 1/8" or 3/16". Are you trying to build protection for a corner? Is this over drywall?

@josephdeutsch7632

Жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm The lattice is 1.50x4.50x.25x8 Ft. , the corner is a protective corner in the bathroom at one end of the new walk in shower. The corner molding I took off is not wide enough to cover the new corner, it would be over drywall. TY Joe D

@josephdeutsch7632

Жыл бұрын

1.5x1.5x.25x96

Great video, thanks for taking the time to make it. I plan on building several reptiles enclosure, which I'm going to be making them out of PVC board. Have you ever tried PVC Gorilla glue? I just finished buying a can I'm hoping that it will be stronger than average PVC glue. Thanks

@enduringcharm

2 жыл бұрын

You should re-think that. Gorilla Glue brand is a well respected manufacturer of polyurethane glues and related products, but the stuff you purchased is NOT made by them even though the label looks similar. From what I can tell the stuff you purchased is also not a solvent-based product and it is not UV-stabilized. While your enclosure probably doesn't need significant structural integrity, you do need it to stay together and not yellow in the sun. If you can't find the stuff in the video, try to find something else locally which is designed for PVC boards rather than PVC pipe. Azek makes a glue which is readily available, for example.

@CJoefarhat

2 жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm Thanks for replying, and yes it definitely needs to be UV standard considering that I use UVA/UVB bulbs inside the enclosures. Glad I reached out, these PVC trim boards are not cheap and I definitely want to make this enclosures 👍 Actually I have a few days before I start building them so I'm going to look for that glue if not order it so I'll have it in time. I know you mentioned in the video which was a year ago that you were in certain if it was UV stabilized because, it wasn't written on the label . Wondering if it is? Thanks

@enduringcharm

2 жыл бұрын

It is according to this: pvctrimwelder.com/pdfs/TD%20White%20Hot.pdf but I'm not sure if you'll be able to find this stuff at the moment. Otherwise, just use the Azek brand glue, which is also UV stabilized.

@CJoefarhat

2 жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm , Great Thanks 👍

@bhg2908

Жыл бұрын

@joefarhat7731 what did you end up using? I'm building out a pvc enclosure for may asian water monitor and looking for animal safe product

The pvc glue can use in wood or not

@enduringcharm

6 ай бұрын

No, this glue is strictly for the plastic.

Isn't it suppose to turn into one piece through solvent fusion? I'm new to joining PVC.

@enduringcharm

3 жыл бұрын

Well, sort of. The joint can be pretty strong if done carefully, though I'm not sure it is exactly the same in strength as a continuous piece.

@Bigelite094

3 жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm So what do you do when you're trying to do a Craftsman style casing around the exterior of a window or door. Is there a PVC version of a biscuits or dowels. Just curious what guys are doing to get perfect seams and joints.

@enduringcharm

3 жыл бұрын

"Perfect" seams and joints are not something you should be associating with PVC! There are plastic biscuits available, and I use stainless fasteners of course. When I'm designing a PVC trim detail I don't think about it the same way I think about wood. You want to allow movement, leave extra expansion room, and not try to trap or pin anything down. Here's an older video I did: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGVqts6gis-TfqQ.html

@toddmcevoy4163

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Bigelite094 I use these biscuits when making column covers. Pound them in with any hammer, then glue the board edges and clamp for a half hour. www.rockler.com/striplox-griplox-20-biscuits-25-pack

@Don-cs7fe

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bigelite094 I used hardwood dowels with a Dowelmax doweling jig on two 7 foot long window planter boxes made with Azek PVC boards with mitered corners. The joints are in almost perfect alignment.

I saw this video when you first made it available. (Good Job.) I am wanting an update. I'm researching adhesives for PVC again now, because we are trying to make bases for columns out of pvc... there seem to be more options shown on KZread now, some short product videos by manufacturers other than Azek. (Have you made any more videos on this?) For other viewers searching like I am, I hope you don't mind if I mention some names I've found (not exhaustive)... --Surprisingly, I see Titebond (yes, mfr of Titebond wood glue) makes an adhesive in a normal 10oz caulk tube. --And Kleer has a full line of products, including 2 part adhesives, and various set up times. (I gather they produce PVC trim. Fine Homebuilding channel has a little set of videos showing using PVC exterior trim and they use the Kleer product line but they don't tell you anything about it.) --I also just found something called "ChemSet" ? by Chemical Concepts. --And another video by a PVC trim called Versatex showing a few other adhesives/sealants. I'm still trying to figure out which products to use where. And trying to find a product locally seems difficult. Do we need to allow for expansion on something as short as a mitered box with sides 14.5 inches? A lot has happened since we first put Azek on our house as trim, all those years ago. (Wish I'd made my columns of PVC then, and I would not be refurbishing them now!)

@enduringcharm

3 жыл бұрын

I have not seen or tried the Titebond product, but they are a good company. I've used Kleer trim before and prefer not to again. Versetex I may have used, but I can't recall now. In any case, this glue shown in the video has held up well, though it may be tough to find. You do need to allow for movement, even on short pieces. For a wrapped base I'll often make the sections slightly longer than need be and fill the top gap with caulk. The extra length allows movement without opening up gaps in miters. I have a very old video on the subject, but I should really do an update sometime: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGVqts6gis-TfqQ.html

@rwind656

3 жыл бұрын

@@enduringcharm thank you very much for the reply and the explanation and link to your other video. I knew PVC expanded but I didn't know if a 14 or 15 inch piece would be noticeable. We have clad the columns with aluminum, so we will make the pvc bases very slightly oversized where they meet the aluminum and caulk in the gap. We also are going to have to paint these columns because the aluminum and the bases are different shades of white. I will still have to locate some type of PVC adhesive just for the mitered corners of my boxes. I like the looks of a Titebond product from their advertisement. But locating it... I'm wondering if the little tubes of "fence glue" sold with the vinyl fences is the same type product. (They are the same size tube as the gel you have demonstrated here from White Hot.) We will have to look at the ingredients. If I am remembering correctly, that Versatek video showed several adhesives -- none of them had their own name on it so they were giving several on the market -- and mentioned in passing the adhesive properties to look for. But it wasn't very clear. If you do a new video on PVC adhesives and sealants, that would be a great topic to cover. I am seeing ads for products, but it's not clear to me what type product to use in my different applications. Thanks very much for the info and advice.

I don't understand why so many people call Azek, "AyZACK". I mean, I've never heard anyone say echo like, "Ack-oh".

you are using way too much azek glue, which is one reason it is running out on you

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

My point about the viscosity of the Azek glue is that whatever amount does leak out tends to quickly go everywhere. The White Hot gel style also can leak out, but it stays contained so it can be wiped off. The application method is also an issue, since just getting the applicator out of the Azek can means some of the glue will spill onto the can top and elsewhere. The gel style tube applicator is easier to control. As far as the amount used, I was generous in this test video since I was also testing strength, If you use too little the joint can fail with movement caused by temperature.

@jimmybrice6360

Жыл бұрын

​@@enduringcharm i am currently installing azek fascia boards. mainly using it to join 45" corners. i have seen the trimwelder. not sure if it has the same strength, it may. but i want to use what azek recommends. you are literally using more than double what is needed. it should be spread VERY LIGHTLY. such that this should not really be much of an issue. but rather use the one that holds best. both of them may be similar, i really dont know.

@enduringcharm

Жыл бұрын

As I mentioned, the point of the video was partly to test strength, and a starved glue joint would not be helpful in that regard. The can of Azek glue specifies coverage of 1 ounce per square foot, so make of that what you will. I've been using Azek and other PVC products professionally for over two decades, and I've seen what happens when you don't use enough glue to melt the two sides together. The White Hot product is far superior in this regard, as it will fuse the two sides together with less product. As for your facia boards, you may want to rethink the idea of gluing 45 degree miters. PVC expands and contracts significantly with temperature. A long length of PVC will easily expand enough to blow apart a miter joint, which is why I don't use them for that type of work. Instead, I will run the boards slightly long and use a butt joint, which allows movement. Even for miters on columns and such, I allow all sides of the column or post to move. If a miter joint is necessary for appearance then I will choose a product other than PVC for long lengths.

That’s incorrect. Never glue both sides of the joint. PVC glue won’t fuse to itself. The point of PVC glue is to make a chemical bond to the PVC. Also Weldon-705 is the best PVC glue.

@enduringcharm

4 жыл бұрын

The first sentence in the instructions printed on the tube state that the cement should be applied to both sides to be bonded. I'll leave it to you to contact the manufacturer and let them know of their tragic mistake. Your Weld-On 705 is also recommended by the manufacturer to be applied to both surfaces. That product is available in a tube, but it's primary application is plumbing fittings. Speaking of which, every plumber in the world applies PVC glue to both sides of a fitting. The point is to soften both surfaces to be joined.

@robertedgington2744

4 жыл бұрын

Great response.