THIS is MORE IMPORTANT than PEOPLE REALIZE Further Proves CLEAR is NOT REAL GEL, BUT SAME MDF+CLEAR W/O adding extra Pen for MDF MAKES THIS a Cheap TEST that MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS Real Gel Tests in Comparing different Calibers & Rounds to each other! While Penetration is not the SAME, THE VERY IMPORTANT TISSUE CRUSH VALUES Are Very Similar to VISTA's/Federals 4 Layer REAL GEL FBI SPEC DATA (& you used longer barrels yet still almost Same in each). People Need to watch my 4 part 9mm vs .45 Series & Realize How Important Tissue Crush is! Your MDF Results 9mm=3.734 cu " TC(Vista Real Gel=3.799), .40=5.665 cu" TC(Vista Real Gel=6.283), .45=8.105 cu" TC (Vista Real Gel=8.08). Vista Data these rounds .45 is 2.126X more Damaging than the 9mm round, & 1.286x More TC damage than the .40. Gun Sam's MDF Data this .45 round is 2.17X more than this 9mm, and 1.43x More than this .40 round. Vista's 180 gr .40 Data is 1.653X more TC then this 124plus P 9mm, and Gun Sam's MDF Data 1.517x More than this 9mm round. Overall very Similar Results as to the VERY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Expanded Bullets THROUGH THE ENTIRE PATH through the body. ALL GREAT Rounds, probably the very best...but there is a very REAL DIFFERENCE! PLEASE SAVE THIS DATA maybe Pin it Sam because this is scientific Proof to your MDF Testing making Clear Gel Testing way more Valuable in comparing one to the other. Obviously Penetration numbers are not the same, Clear Gel is WAY LESS DENSE and Rips vs Thick & Stretchy REAL Bodies & REAL GEL FBI STANDARDS.

@DanTheWolfman

3 жыл бұрын

@@libra7624 which Real Gel simulates and clear doesn't....but clear plus MDF4 layer is much closer to real comparison then just plain clear gel as I proved.

@DanTheWolfman

3 жыл бұрын

@@libra7624 yes obviously people like me and Sam know all that. And if ur talking about 34 rounds of .45 14 were hits 9 I believe were Fatal good hits...but pistols suck and bp loss takes 1 minute often

@spconrad9612

3 жыл бұрын

As long as one is testing through the same medium, with similar barrel lengths it gives people good information. Paul Harrell's meat target is by far the best indicator. He is using clothing, front and back, leather for skin, flesh, bone, simulated lung tissue medium and of course the new and improved high-tech fleece bullet stop. Will the rounds kill the intended target w proper shot placement? Yes, that's all that matters.

@DinoNucci

3 жыл бұрын

TLDR Also, find your caps lock button FTW.

@SoWavvyy

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly i wanted to read this but the caps made me not want to

I will never understand the amount of hate the .40 gets. Fantastic round.

@Silidons91

11 ай бұрын

it sucks to shoot

@Firefuzz11

10 ай бұрын

@@Silidons91it’s really not that bad to shoot. I’ve put hundreds of 180 gr rounds through my full size M&P40 and it’s great. Even did a bit of a torture run when I first got it and ran 200 rounds in one session. My hand stung a little bit afterwards, but I had no issues with recoil control and kept rounds in tight groups.

@M4A3

3 ай бұрын

Because when you know the truth, most don't want to shoot a round created because Federal Agents were too wimpy to shoot the 10mm.

@gcanada3005

3 ай бұрын

Losers with tiny little woman arms who can't handle the recoil. Ever see how unathletic the majority of "men" are today. Especially under 30, it's obscene. Now you understand the hate

Yup, still love the .40. Seems to be the most consistent through various materials with impressive expansion and energy.

@paulscountry456

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought 40 really is pretty perfect for duty or carry unless you are a complete wimp it can outperform even plus p plus nine easily if you research the terminal ballistic.

@chromosomehoarder6927

3 жыл бұрын

40 for the hoods 10mm for the woods

@GATILLERO99

2 жыл бұрын

I liked how the 9mm did in this video.

@paulscountry456

2 жыл бұрын

@@GATILLERO99 Great they let you out,and no I don't want a mixed drink....lol

@mgsharnhorst

2 жыл бұрын

40 and 45 both out performed the 9mm ! Good test

That 40 S&W is really nasty.

Never had a problem with .40 in the reliability department. Something to do with the bullet shape being the same between fmj and hollowpoints are a plus and no +p so no worries on those either

I appreciate the attention to detail on this, the title did not lie as it being a fair test, I carry a 9 but .40 has been growing on me

@spencermichaelson1882

Жыл бұрын

Same here. One you master the 9 and have that cheap utility, 40 is like 9mm +p+++

@masonmcneill3969

Жыл бұрын

@@spencermichaelson1882 and the opposite is true that once you master 40, 9 is a walk in the park

Out of all the gun channels I watch ,I like your caliber comparisons the most. Good Job.Thank you

This is what I love about the 40 S&W. I think its ideal for self defense, similar or more power than a 45 ACP (the only 45ACP that compares to it is the +P loads, and even then, several 40 loads are slightly more energy) and it has magazine capacity like a 9mm. Don't get me wrong, all 3 are fantastic and could be trusted to do what they are designed to, but that 40SW has always just really impressed me.

The 40 just does it's job. To compete with it's terminal performance with just about any projectile the 9 and 45 have to be +P or ++P. Too bad recoil has scared away the rookies.

Awesome test Sam, id say the 40 did best as well, the 9mm does well but 40 like I've told people has a bit more punch on it, looking forward to more test! 👍🏻👍🏻

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

I think .40 loaded right, like the way it was meant to be like target ammo power, is perfect. Your energy isn't greater than 9mm+P but it don't need to be. Has the right balance of momentum and energy and diameter to do everything well.

@rustyshackleford9637

2 жыл бұрын

People don't put enough stock into the shape and dimensions into the bullet itself and only look at numbers on the box. Where momentum isn't to be found anyway.

Thank you! This was done really well. Extremely under rated, good job brother.

This was the best comparison test ive ever seen, no complaints. You have a new subscriber!

.40 s&w is my favorite cartridge caliber and ideal!

Nice test. That is not the first 45 round we ha e seen fail to expand. The 9mm and 40 both did very well. It looks like u definitely want to hit bone whenever possible- it aids expansion and helps reduce the chance of overpenetration. I have always been fond of the 40, and it was my duty gun for almost all of my LE career (Sig P229, i owned it). It was more than accurate enough, and usually quite accurate with good ammo. Never did carry a 9- went straight from 357 mag to 40. Ah, memories. Glad to see the HST's rep is mostly deserved

Don't worry, I have more revolver content coming. Good stuff too! Also at 10:35, "Five and a half for the 9mm" should have been "Six and a half for the 9mm".

@joemorganeatmyshortschannel

3 жыл бұрын

i love hst and punch they are decent rounds for not alot of money or were i have alot of american gunner +p 124 grain too i find that the 124 grain 9mm seems to do almost everything i need well enough

Very thorough! ... nicely thought-out and original content comparisons; many many thanks!

Great video Bud! I love all 3 calibers. But I still prefer to carry my .40 cals wherever I go. Most consistent for me. TY.

i like your videos man, you put alot of effort into these.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

This is why I carry my .40 with that same federal ammo. It has a bigger hollow point hole as well.

@johns3153

Жыл бұрын

What type of 40 hand gun are you using because these like to jam on my ruger sr40c it's the only ammo that dose this about like in the video with his 45ACP

@terrymattson3587

Жыл бұрын

Glock 27

Those 45s really had that target rocking 😂

.40sw best weight should be 165 or 155, but great test anyway....

@LA_Commander

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think he was trying to use the "most common" weights you would see out there. The 45 would also be a lot better by dropping that 230 grain round for a 185 grain.

@marccolantuono2341

3 жыл бұрын

I agree my Duty loads were 155 hydrashok, those were incredible at punching through almost anything.

@pkjdm

3 жыл бұрын

@@marccolantuono2341 155 grain at 1200/1250 fps or 165 grain at 1150/1180 fps = true 357 magnum Power level(out of 4 inch)...

@DinoNucci

3 жыл бұрын

40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.

@TooManyChoices1

2 жыл бұрын

The only real advantage the 180 gr loads have for me is they seem to have a much softer recoil impulse than the 155-165gr stuff. I don’t feel under gunned carrying either weight though.

Looking at the tiny hole made by the 9mm compared to the 40 and 45 shows why the two larger calibers are demonstrably superior. With consistent training and building grip, hand and forearm strength anyone can master the big boys which is why they should be your first choice. Good show as always.

As far as I'm concerned, .40 for the win! Awesome Video.

I really like your videos - very informative - lot of good stuff and information - especially like the way you format and illustrate all the component's of the self defense round. I particularly enjoyed this video as this round, the Fed HST is the primary round I use for both carry and home self defense - I shoot both 9mm and 45acp. My son also uses Fed HST but in the 40 S&W caliber. He and I both found this video very interesting. Keep this good stuff coming. !!! Thanx Again. From So. Texas - Mark C

You would think by now that Glock would send you a new gun. Nice tests.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Surprising, I thought the 45acp would fare better. Thank you for taking the time and expense of making me this video. OUTSTANDING VIDEO !!

Very well done! This is the first video I've seen of yours and it's great. Subscribed.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I generally release 2 new videos a week on Tuesday and Friday.

40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.

Well done! Thanks for another great test!

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I will await some more of your videos as well!

Very good, thorough comparison. Nice video.

Love that you showed the same bullets in the different calibers. Thank you for saving me money 👍🏽

Nice test. My carry gun in the woods is a 40SW Glock 35. I put an extended tungsten guide rod, trijicon tritium sights, and an enhanced mag well on it. Great gun.

@dancollins9307

Жыл бұрын

you should just use stock internals man. the tungsten guide rod may eventually cause problems.

Well thought out test! Thanks for the test.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great job, I hope your channel grows and becomes very successful.

Great video and comparison!

Great video as usual. First Class Sam!!

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

We found in the U.S.B.P. that the .40 S&W in either 155 grain or the 165 grain were significantly better (more efficient) than the 180 grain. They are louder, being transonic, but it is a small price to pay for increased efficiency.

@rustyshackleford9637

2 жыл бұрын

What would you say is the difference in the recoil between the difference bullet weights? I carry 180gr in the winter and 140-165gr in the summer.

@GLOCKCOPG23

2 жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford9637 not much

@TooManyChoices1

2 жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford9637 The 155-165gr .40 in the same bullet design is usually “snappier” but the felt recoil is not that great, just a different impulse if you ask me. The 180gr rounds feel closer to a .45 ACP to me in compact and sub compact frames, while the 155-165gr ammo (depending on loading of course), feels like the recoil jumps more.

This is what I carry in my Glock 19. I really like the feeling of reliability it offers. I've shot a lot of it in training and I've yet to have a malfunction and the expansion in water jugs and meat targets had already been good. You did a great job in this demonstration.

Great video Sam. Thanks man.

A thump-up for the idea alone, now on riveted to my seat and watching the show.

Great test!

Thanks Sam, my wife and I both carry the 124 gr 9mm hst non +p in our pistols. It's been very good and accurate ammo.👍👍

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

I put that in this 9mm as I had some left with the 50 round box and needed to take out the Gold Dot I had in it for another test!

@kencanada6119

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam The 147 gr 9mm would have been more fair

Awesome !!! I have all three calibers and love them all. But my 357 mag is definitely king, and my go to!! Keep up the great work.👏👏👏

DAMN dude your FDE M&P’s are some of the most beautiful modern firearms I’ve ever seen. Awesome video man!

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yeah, they are just what I happened to find for what I needed. They look different than just black which is cool.

@clone1137

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Completely unrelated, but you seem like the right person to ask. Do you have any experience with factory glock 22 or 33 round magazines? Are they reliable? I was considering a 22 round mag for home defense but reliability matters most.

Excellent video, THANKS !!!

Good testing.👍🏻

Thanks for your comparison between the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP all in +P. Always enjoy your tests with your thorough methodology. My EDC rotation includes each of them but today I happen to be carrying my FNX-40.

@sluggfaro7658

2 жыл бұрын

The 40. was standard pressure ammunition and it still outperformed the rest in my opinion👌

@Me2Lancer

Жыл бұрын

@@sluggfaro7658 Thanks for your comment. 40 S&W is a great caliber. My local police department carries 40 S&W in Glock 22 pistols.

Great video, thanks.

I sort of retired my Glock 23 when I bought a P365XL, but this reminds me what a great round the .40 is. It's still the go to for cold winter weather. You should try some limp wrist tests. I never thought about that issue. When I carried a .40 as my duty gun, it never had problems with the various drills we did, but I don't recall ever trying to limp wrist it.

@mizzoupatriot8814

2 жыл бұрын

The G23 was my first handgun and I kick myself for parting with it. I carry a G21 now with Underwood 185 grain +p jhp's and I like it just as much if not more than the G23.

Your doing just fine buddy. Good test. I’m thinking for the average shooter in mind it’s spot on.

I set here watching this while debating to myself witch caliber do I carry today. Thank you and keep The great work.

I have that same 40 I absolutely love it.

Fair test. I would be fine with any of them but the .40 seemed to have an edge, as it does with most loads I've seen tested.

@rustyshackleford9637

2 жыл бұрын

If they used 165gr .40 HSTs, I think the results would have been more clear in the .40's favor.

@320jasont

2 жыл бұрын

But does it? The 9 is almost there ballistically and in a potential self defense situation where you absolutely will have some level of panic you can put more shots down range end of the day. I don't hate the 40 I just feel like If I'm going to go with that bullet size I'm going to get a glock 20 or equivalent.

@SoWavvyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@320jasont I edc a glock 19 gen 5 9x19 I trust the 124+p hst or the 147 standard hst. This is my only handgun for right now. 9mm did good and it’s definitely effective and low recoil. I still think the 40 did better and that’s not my opinion the proof is in the video. I might be getting a 40 next when I have the money. Still want to keep my 9mm though. You never know which one you like better if you haven’t shot both of them.

@Gsmooth10455

2 жыл бұрын

@@320jasont How many more rounds of 9mm are you talking about? 5,10,15? We're literally talking about TWO more rounds in the G17 and G19 compared to the G22 and G23. And I don't hate the 9mm, I just feel like if I'm going to go with that bullet size I'm going to get a Glock 31 or equivalent.

@SoWavvyy

2 жыл бұрын

Edit: I now EDC a Glock 29 Gen 4 10mm with 200 grain HST’s 😬 lone wolf conversion barrel I can shoot 40 out of it no problem 😌

Great video

A very informative demonstration. People seem as subjective in defensive handgun ballistics as they are in music and religion so each person will take the data for what it's worth to substantiate their preconceived favorites, but you've still provided useful data. I tend to favor lighter loads and less penetration. The 1986 Miami shoot-out sent a lot of people in what I consider to be the wrong direction, when the FBI declared that the 9mm failed to penetrate far enough to stop William Matix but seemed to sideline the fact that by the time he finally bled out during the fight, he'd sustained a total of 5 lethal wounds. The 9mm entered under the arm and traveled across the torso, rather than front to back. Matix was simply motivated, perhaps crazed, and didn't seem to mind that he was going to die and simply wanted to kill as many FBI personnel as he could. Ballistically, I rate the .40 as the clear-cut leader as it delivers substantially more energy with good accuracy, reliability, and with a good hollow-point, isn't likely to over-penetrate (over-penetration wastes energy and presents a hazard for secondary targets). That said, my accuracy is better with the 9mm which gives me more confidence, and with a good 115gr +P+, can deliver energies comparable to the other two. In the final analysis, of the three calibers tested, if one makes a careful choice of cartridge and can hit their target, they should have no concerns of being insufficiently armed as far as handguns go.

In the military, my service sidearm was a Sig P-250 in .40 cal. Trusted it with my life, several times. More than a few of my buddies went into LE after their military duty, and they all to a man still carry the .40 cal. Many stories from these dudes about other LEOs they knew switching to .9mm and after a couple of shooting incidents, switching back to .40 or even 10mm. You can usually trust personal experience as the best guide.

Love the Jays shirt!! Go Michigan!!

Thank you for being honest cause that’s a good analogy of 9mm never thought of it like that with reliability n how u might have to shoot it!!

Love your channel and testing methods, one of the best channels. Damn though sir, your grip is horrid. Thanks for posting!

@avshockey6633

3 жыл бұрын

Any grip that can drill head shots at 25 yards with multiple calibers is a good grip in my book. I know a guy who uses a teacup grip and he's one of the most accurate shooters I know. The way I look at it is if it works, it works, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

@biggunshandguns3687

3 жыл бұрын

Show us a video of your grip hitting head shots at 25yds

Love this ! Right in my Wheel House . Do you have an extra Glock .45 mag ? Most times it seems it's a mag issue . Love seeing box's of 50 HST available again ! It's kinda funny watching you brag on the 9mm while holding your nose at the same time ! ( I've noticed that most of you Revolver guys do that ) Keep up the great work Gun Sam !

I liked this test. I was shocked the gut shot of the .45 didn’t expand. I was hoping you’d take another shot just to see if it happened again. Oh well, the HST is a good round regardless. I appreciate your efforts.

@danielaramburo7648

3 жыл бұрын

45acp is a tricky bullet to expand because of its lower velocity. But still plenty deadly enough.

@scubaguy007

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielaramburo7648 I’m familiar with it, I reload and I like to do hot 230gr XTP to help guarantee the expansion. I was shocked the gut shot didn’t expand yet the one with particle board did, I would have expected the opposite.

@exothermal.sprocket

3 жыл бұрын

Would be fun to see a Speer Gold Dot example of this same test in the three calibers.

@mizzoupatriot8814

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielaramburo7648 45acp sure don't shrink tho wether it expands or not lol.

I am really a Fan of the 40 Glock perfection 😂

OUTSTANDING!!!❤

Love my .40 M&P!

If you do more videos like this you should do charts to compare side by side. Show footlbs of energy of the round based off fps and weight then penetration. That way people know how long it took to disperse the energy that it carried. That is what is the real trick to what ammo is most effective when it hits. How much energy it dumps into the target and how quickly. Was great to see a test done with the same brand and type of ammo and same barrel lengths. Would love to see it done with other common ammo.

Nice video. Personally, I prefer my 147gr HSTs in ALL of my 9mm duty and off duty guns. …especially in my M&P 2.0 5” FDE. My employer allows us to carry either Federal 147gr HST or the Winchester Ranger T 147gr for 9mm. We can also carry other calibers as well and at our choice.

nice comparison, thanks ...

Oh good. I just received a new to me LE trade-in (vg condition) Glock 22 gen 3 and I have 500 rounds of Fed HST on the way - got it for a great price so glad to see its good ammo - I expected it to me based on other reviews but I like your reviews and give them more water than most.

Great video Sam. I sure thought that 45 would expand. Lucky Gunner tested that +p load and had 4 of 5 shots expand. They were using a Kahr compact with a 3.64" barrel too. Just shows how things can change. Also maybe blur out your gun during editing if it jams. Like how you would blur out a license plate? Maybe people will talk about it less. I know it irritates you. It's an ammo test not a gun review! Thanks for the video Sam!

The 40 hit hard. I don't know why people hate on it so much

@biggunshandguns3687

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly it the and the 45 require the shooter to shoot it to become proficient. Some are able to go right to it and shoot well. But today's leo or general person would rather play video games and only shoot when required or qualifying. That's why the 9mm is so popular the recoil is negligible the muzzle blast almost non existent. So much less effort to shoot well

Good job. Thanks

Nice test. I carry a hellcat pro 9mm with the red dot and i love it. I do keep a G22 and a sig SP2022 at home. Both are .40

The big 3.. great job

Your ammo tests are very thorough and impressive.

The alternates plaque is in another caliber. Great job Sam!☯️🎩♠️

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@ratagris21

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Yw and .40 cal is still a viable round.

Great video and test. I love my .40 Glocks, carried them for years, but now that I'm retired, it's a j-frame .357 or .38 with a .380 backup/NY reload. But, if I have to go places where it is possible I would need more gun, it's .40 all the way. Great round, a little snappy maybe, but for a 9mm frame sized gun, as you just showed, that's some pretty darn good performance. I've got big paws so the Glock fits my hand just fine. I think the .40 gets a bad rap because small handed folks, especially young LEOs, don't like it's snappy recoil.

@rustyshackleford9637

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about the diversity hires not being able to qualify with .40 So they moved the goalpost and went back to 9mm, even though 1986 Miami proved that cartridge to be lacking.

@furryhatsgunsunicorns3219

2 жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford9637 Da fuq? Diversity hires? Sorry dude, but Latino and Black cops are going to have generally the same range of hand sizes as your typical White cop. It has nothing to do with diversity and more to do with what a young training cadet has as prior experience in handgun shooting. If they are accustomed, for example to shooting .45ACP or big-bore revolvers like .357 magnum and .44 magnum, they will adapt to .40 just fine. I'm Latino and shoot .40 cal pistols just fine. But I still shoot 9mm better. I also shoot .45ACP better than both of those but can shoot 9mm a tad faster. Still my favorite gun is my RIA 1911a1 GI Model. Superbly accurate, super reliable (when kept clean) and just a feels amazing to shoot in my small paws. All that being said, for most police officers, most will shoot 9mm better than .40 cal pistols. Less recoil always equates not necessarily to better accuracy, but rather faster sight alignment, and faster accurate shots on target. It's why, while I love my 1911 .45ACP pistol, my main home defense pistol is a CZ P-07 9mm. I can do controlled pairs significantly faster with 9mm.

@cbisecurity-utpma7369

2 жыл бұрын

Umm a .357 is more gun than a .40

@SuperD00D

8 ай бұрын

@@cbisecurity-utpma7369underwood 135 gr nosler .40 has entered the chat. I mean yeah a 6” hot .357 still has more energy but Sam hit 600 fpe with that load out of this 5” and its rated at 588

Great test buddy. Very interesting results. If not for the malfunctions I would pick the 45 based off these results. I mean you were killing it for accuracy at 25 yards. Even with the failure to expand it didnt really penetrate more than the 40. Odd that you had trouble though. I’ve never seen that with your gun shooting 45s. So based off that I probably would give the edge to the 40. It seemed more consistent and was plenty accurate enough. This sounds crazy based off the 9s performance in the wood penetration test but I almost worry that it could under penetrate in an “intended target” if it hit something hard. That was a pretty big difference in penetration without the fiber board. Great test though. I know this was a long winded comment but it was very interesting results. I could make a case for each one winning the competition and at the same time losing the competition.

I love my .40 and thanks for another great video

I was surprised that the fpe was so similar. Since I reload everything, I never compare factory loads. I have a mint condition 4006 for in the house, and a 5" XDM in .40 with a 507C for deer hunting. No complaints here.

Nice shooting with that 45 indeed! I would be more worried about falure to feed than 1 not expanding.

Battle for second place over the 357mag.. great video. Keep up the hard work..

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@indianajets

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam how far from the Indiana line do you in Michigan?

@ratagris21

3 жыл бұрын

.357 mag will always reign supreme in a handgun caliber.b

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

@@indianajets Half way from there to the bridge

@indianajets

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I'm an hr south of the line.

Nice!!! Federal’s definition of +P in 45 has always been a toss up and the non expanding round shows just how close Federal HST hollow points are from non expansion. Absolutely great video and power representation between the three. I can’t see anyone arguing the three definite steps in power as the caliber is increased…….and that 3/4” hole the HST in 45 is a reality check.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@turbo-bike7999

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I’ve got question to ponder, if the 45acp was designed to operate from a 5” barrel, why is it so hard to find a 45acp caliber semiautomatic with at least a 5” barrel? HK, FN are about the only tactical 45acp left and those are leftover from the 2005/2006 SOCCOM competition. Only the 1911 remains and even it is peddled with 4.5 and 3.5” barrels. I have a Taurus OSS DS Long Slide with a 5.3” barrel I purchased brand new in 2012. That’s also a leftover from the SOCCOM trials/competition. Those S&W 2.0 long slide are absolutely perfect for a 45acp cartridge but they’re not available in that platform. I’ve never fired my Taurus OSS but keep it lubed and in its original case. I see a new and modern 45 tactical with a true full size 5+” barrel is very hard to come by.

@exothermal.sprocket

3 жыл бұрын

@@turbo-bike7999 Probably was designed primarily with the 1911 platform in mind, and most of those run 5" barrels unless they are operator, compact, or long-slide variants. Looked at FN, Walther, Beretta, Kahr, HK, Sig, or Sarsilmaz for polymer 5-inchers?

@nathanlambshead4778

3 жыл бұрын

have an Officers 3.5 inch 45. I used to carry it, but these days it is relegated to one of the home defense guns. I just keep FMJ in it. 230 grn. Works the most reliably, and JHP will not expand anyway out of this short barrel.

@exothermal.sprocket

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanlambshead4778 You might be better off running some soft lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoints if they can feed properly.

Great video (Again)! I’m an old timer,expansion or not the accuracy of the 45 and energy (watching it rock the steel) is my choice with a good 357 a close 2nd. Keep the video’s coming

@Ripskiis

2 жыл бұрын

Hitting the target with a baseball bat would make it move even more. Means nothing for affectiveness though.

I would really like seeing the .40 135gn federal hi-shok... as long as it's not the "low recoil" variation. I want the blistering 1400+fps that a 135gn allows for.

Watched again. Fantastic vid. I wonder how different the 147gr HST compares to that 124gr +P and out if the M&P 5” bbl?

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Thanks. Another good video and ammo comparison. Thanks for sharing. Take care. A while back I was down at the farm with our great nephew, he was shooting his .40 and with me just standing there, it seemed like the .40 was a lot more powerful than my 9 mm. (maybe I was too close?)

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I remember the first time I shot handguns, it was with 9mm and .40 S&W Beretta pistols. I remember the 9mm being tame but the .40 rattled my teeth. Just a memory I have.

@bobcatforever3485

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam That is about the same experience I had. Caught me by surprise.

@davidh9659

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobcatforever3485 Recoil and muzzle report are not necessarily indicative of energy or effectiveness xD

@bobcatforever3485

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidh9659 David. Thanks, I appreciate your comment. Even though I am pretty old, I am still in the process of learning a lot. Thaks again and take care.

@TooManyChoices1

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidh9659 Unless you’re shooting .357 Sig lol 😂

Exatamente comparativo. Ainda bem que agora dá pra traduzir no KZread kkk. Parabéns.

I would take the 45 because of accuracy and it is already 45 caliber, I have been shooting the 1911 5 inch since the 70s and have found it to be more accurate than the others

Another great test by Sam, you're doing this correctly IMO, I/we appreciate your attention to detail. I'm also in agreement with you on the choice for the 9mm. Ammo more avail, cheaper, etc. Reliability, combined with excellent gel penetration makes it a winner.

@ethanmac639

2 жыл бұрын

disagree totally, the vest choice is .40 s&w, stop being a sheeple following the herd

Wait a minute...you mean to tell me you can use the same gel block without shooting through the same wound channel? I call camera trickery! (I saw your story btw and figured id pull your leg a bit😉) great comparisons buddy. I always appreciate a real world approach that you give these tests. All these nay-sayers can piss and moan all they want, but if they had 2 or 3 gel blocks in their backyard theyd be doing the same thing and certainly draeing what theyd call "logical conclusions". Keep up the good work. From those of us who enjoy your videos and appreciate your work, thank you for the time and effort you put into educating us all.

Great video! 97% of the time I practice head shot's since I'm in a wheelchair I want them to go down.

@danielaramburo7648

3 жыл бұрын

A hole in the watermelon will definitely put down a big strong criminal. But a double tap to the chest will convince 99% of criminals that maybe they go home and leave you alone. Shattered chest bones are not something criminals enjoy.

@richardcolligon4277

3 жыл бұрын

I just believe in head shot's because I can't move around like I used to. There's a retired police officer who has written a book on head shot's only. After years of shooting at the body he started doing head shot's only. When my son was in Iraq his buddy and him with an M9 put 17 rounds into an insurgent who was drugged up. I watched a video on one shot and drop. The 357 was 1.75 to put an attacker down. The 38 special was 1.87, 45acp 2.05, and 9mm was 2.45 shots to stop someone. I carry a 357, but after reading that I switched to 38's. My hand's have arthritis bad, so less recoil is much better for me, along with my head shot's. Have a great night.

@danielaramburo7648

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardcolligon4277 you know your abilities and skills. If you feel confident in effectively landing head shots, I wish you the best, of course I hope you never actually have to shoot someone.

@richardcolligon4277

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielaramburo7648 I pray about it all the time. But I did in the military because I was coming home.

@UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkh

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardcolligon4277 remind me not to put a speed bump in front of your wheel chair😉🤣

Love the new camera! The .45 still rocks steel! 👍👍👍

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

New camera? lol. I have used the same ones since February of 2020

@toolmakerbest1584

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Maybe the bird's nest blew of my dish! 😎

I have some 180gr Winchester Ranger T’s in 40. While it doesn’t expand as big as the .45 ( lucky gunner shows 1.00” out of Kahr CW45 shirt barre), it still expands to .70 and goes about 16” out of a short Glock 27. It’s what I have in my home defense gun now.

Thanks It's smart you test the wood penetration too. I think the 9 mm ammo, case of fast-moving, hit the gel-block hard and so doesn't have good penetration. We know the 9mm is narrower also :)

@sleeper.simulant7327

2 жыл бұрын

9mm generally does the best on dense barrier penetration, speed plus smaller diameter

Love your videos! Check your front sight alignment on the 40. I have two M&P's where the front sight was not centered in the dovetail. I had the gunsmith at my local range drift the front sight back to center. Now both guns shoot dead center.

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

I tried to drift mine but could not. Even the rear sight should be driftable, but with the screw out it just does not move.

@JD-nc7yb

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I think there is a special tool to drift sights. I pretty sure the smith put mine in a padded vice and used a sight tool.

@azcoueshntr

3 жыл бұрын

That is the one thing I hate about S&W autos. They don’t take the time to center the front sight correctly. I have two & both required a bench mounted vice, brass punch and a small sledge hammer. They are very difficult to drift.

@ReeveHelalV

3 жыл бұрын

My friend has an m&p and it had the same problem. Front sight visibly not centered and windage was off by a good 3-4”. I couldn’t get it to move with a brass punch and smallish hammer.

180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best for the .40 s&w, with 155gr/150gr being the ideal bullet weight for the .40 s&w.

@ocalavictory3728

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Unless someone is concerned with barriers. Then it's the 165's.

Capacity,Weight and Recoil, would not want to be on the receiving end from any of those, Great Vid!!!

Would love to see more .40

@DinoNucci

3 жыл бұрын

40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.

@shockwave6416

2 жыл бұрын

40 40 40! 😋

@SoWavvyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@DinoNucci Even critters. 10mm for big game out of a 6 inch barrel. 220 hardcast 10mm 1200+fps 690-700+ FPE. 40+ inches of penetration. 10mm and .40 the little brother is the best option I think.

Was thinking that it would be cool to see the Underwood 155 grain xtp 40 s&w tested some serious energy on that one. This darn ammo shortage though.

@metaldamnation276

3 жыл бұрын

I agree.. I feel that every time I see the comparison with the .40 people always put plus in the race. 9mm + p or .45 +p

@mizzoupatriot8814

2 жыл бұрын

I carry Underwood 185 grain +p 45's and they hit like a sledgehammer. Almost 600 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. If I connect center mass with only 1 round....It's all over for that criminal. Energy is on par with your average 357 magnum only with a much bigger bullet.