Do you guys like 9mm testing? For years I been trying to always have a revolver in every test, I have done very few 'semiauto only' tests until recently with the .357 Sig VS 9mm testing. Frankly I been having trouble finding proper revolver ammo, so if you guys like these type of tests I will continue to do them.

@Roscoe-sz5yb

Жыл бұрын

This was a great test. Yes i like 9 mm testing and .40 cal testing. I love how you compare both calibers and loads. This is a great comparison with different barrel lengths. Thanks for your content. Ps i like your full vids not a fan of shorts(just feedback)

@tedcollins4684

Жыл бұрын

You need a revolver that will shoot 9mm with moon clips. Have you tested 45acp from the governor vs. a shorter barrel auto?

@tomswan3805

Жыл бұрын

Yes, keep them coming

@michaelestrada2772

Жыл бұрын

Really though, I haven’t been able to find much 357 mag anywhere in the Salt Lake area. There’s even more options for 44 mag than 357! I’ve never seen that before!

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

@@Roscoe-sz5yb Thanks. I generally do not film shorts though, they are cropped out of full length videos. They are a free way to bring in a tad more subs.

One of my Patreon members did point out that I gel tested the Winchester T Series 147 gr, which didn't perform all that well. I also wanted to point out that I do wear earplugs in addition to earmuffs when the earmuffs don't directly contact my ears. You wouldn't think i'd have to mention that, but you would be surprised at the number of officer Trolls who will 'patrol' my videos and make sure I know how dangerous I am for not doing what I am actually doing.

@texasbeast239

Жыл бұрын

Shame, shame, Sam! 👵☝️🙈

@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X

Жыл бұрын

People are full blown balogne brains now, who cares about ear plugs lol .

@bjs301

Жыл бұрын

That seems to be common on KZread. You're not the first guy I've watched who has to say that from time to time.😂

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

@@bjs301 Solute. Potato salad

@Fudmottin

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam You could really freak people out by having an expendable downrange camera pointing back at you when you are shooting the steel.

I'm pretty much a 124gr snob as far as 9mm pistols go, but I love 147 in my PCC's. I have an 8", a 12", and a 16" and I get good results with the 147gr. out of them all. Keep up the good work.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I like 124+p in my guns.

This is a good example of why ballistic testing for real world is so important. I think getting attacked by someone wearing clothing is much more probable.

@jtoker9758

Жыл бұрын

Thats why when I carry the Ranger ammo, I liked to be attacked by people without shirts on.

30 years ago it was considered almost insane to carry 147's in a pistol shorter than 5". I think Speer changed all that in the early 00's when they came out with their 147 grain. Nowadays almost all the ammo makers are coming out with decent 147's, thanks to Speer's innovations.

I love your videos with the G2C👍

@kaitlynmccartney9802

Жыл бұрын

One of my favorites!

@jeremygarza3892

Жыл бұрын

@@kaitlynmccartney9802 I bet

I agree with you on not just doing bare gel. some channels do that, and it's interesting, but maybe not as useful as it could be.

Excellent test. Thanks for your work.

Really enjoy your videos. I like the consistency of testing and all the information gained from so many different bullet weights and calibers. As always, well done.

I can see the 147 gr hst v/s 147 gr xtp video coming up. Thanks for all the hard work and the info you put out. Super cool 😎 dude!

Thanks for the honest comparisons!

Good test. My duty gun was a Glock 23, which of course is a.40 cal. We used the Winchester Ranger, but I preferred the Speer. I always felt like the ballistics were more consistent, and I never saw Speer ammo fail to expand. I've been retired a while now, and while I always look for Speer ammo for my personal guns, it's been hard to find since 2020.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yeah Speer has disappeared in some respect. I used to get a lot of Gold Dot ammo, then around 2020 I couldn't get stuff like their 180 gr .40 S&W, their .44 Special, 38 Special short barrel, 200 gr .45 ACP+P and a handful of others. I see the 9mm+P in 20 round boxes regularly along with the 165 gr .40 S&W, but not a lot more than that.

This is the test I've been waiting for.! I've been a 147 grn proponent for a while. After watching this test I can see either load could perform well in a defensive encounter. The 147 HSTs & Remington Golden Sabers are also great defensive loads. Great test again, thanks Sam.

Thank you for your hard work with your videos! Your channel is my go-to for real world info.

@GunSam

4 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot!

Watching the leaves get blown from spall at 75 yards reminds me of the old TV westerns I watched as a kid where the the good guy used ricochets off rocks to get bad guy to move from cover! Great content,you put it out and I'll watch and learn!

I like ur videos..This is a Good 147 grain test ..the more I see the more I like the 147 grain for my 9 mm especially outta my 4.9 inch barrel ..I also like the gold dot and use it along with hst … thanks and keep the videos coming

I use 147gr winchester in my glock 43, as a ol bar bouncer, always preferred hitting with weight behind my punch, been in to many fights to change my thinking, thank you👍👍

@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965

5 ай бұрын

Right.... Which is why I stick with .40S&W... I like the 165gr Hornady Critical Defense and the 60gr @ 2,000 ft/s Liberty Civil Defense... Goes right through level 3a... MANY videos on here proving it too.... I personally require at least 500 ft-Lb's from a 4" barrel minimum muzzle energy

Good video. My agency in SoCal used to issue the 147gr Winchester (non+p). It performed about the same as in the video, specifically a lack of consistent expansion when passing through thick clothing. Then they went to the Federal 147 HST and got such better performance in actual street results. Both rounds are still authorized because they order pallets of ammo by the literal train box car load for the year and there was at one time so much of the Ranger ammo on hand. But I’ve switched over to the HST for all of my 9mm’s. I love that round.

The M&P9 2.0 is a shooter. Nice work, Sam.

This was a good video and I am impressed by Speer’s consistency. Very good info especially for those who want to or have to carry 147s in a pistol with a three inch barrel. What would be interesting next is to see how well the regular 147 grain Gold Dot compares to the 147 grain G2. I am still good with 124 grain +P God Dot and HST, but good to know that if I stumble upon a good deal on 147 grain Gold Dot, it won’t be just for plinking.

At 75 yards, the leaves move before the bullet hits the steel. Another great real world test! Thank you! I have a 9mm on the way, 1st in my collection.

great video Sam plus one on the 147 being more accurate

By the way really good shooting at distance. Impressive.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great review. I carry Gold Dots in my Shield 9. It’s a solid choice.

Very well done. Thank you.

Nice shooting on the steel Sam!

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Great video. More proof why gold dots are one of my choices for carry. Hard to beet the performance and reliability of the speer line.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Grate testing thanks for the video

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

147 grain HST has been my choice for a long time. Im actually switching my carry ammo to Liberty Civil Defense +P after the recent shooting in Raleigh NC. I have an old friend who left that greenway about 20 minutes before it happened. I was born and raised there. I know that kid didn’t have armor on, but in a solid percentage of those shootings the shooter is wearing body armor. I’ll still keep those 147 grain HST in my carbine though.

Awesome GSam《☆》I have several boxes of Winchester white box 147 & a few other brands but no +P Unfortunately. I think the 147 would be a good SHTF ammo in my Walther PPQ M2 Q4 Tac. If I ever get a suppressor for it the subsonic rounds will definitely be used. It was kool hearing the time delay of the rounds hitting the steel & how much slower the Speer was👍🔥🔊Nice 75 yard head shots too🖖😎☮

Awesome video

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I'm almost exclusively feeding my CMMG Banshee MKGS (9mm) with 147 subsonic ammo from here on out, now that my suppressor arrived 😍, so I'm looking forward to this review of yours!

The 147 slugs seem a little more consistant than lighter ones .

Great as usual. I know it would be a more difficult shot, but it would be interesting to see the gel test from a 10 or 25 yard range.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I get a lot of requests for it, but it's one of those things where it's like, lets say I made something like a 50 yards shot with my 5" barrel, well that's more or less the same as a 3 foot shot with my 3.2" lol

@hondaservicecenter

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam but this real life so wed like to see 3.2 from 10 yd because I personally carry 147 speer +p in a g2c almost everyday, i have a wide selection and not poor either. I just prefer the g2c to the others, i get the best groups from it, i bought a hellcat online before seeing it and its basically a g2c, big dissapoinment

Cool video thanks. And nice shooting.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Have some of that 147g Winchester stored, need to try the Gold Dot. Those 185g Seismic rounds have me interested, like a 45acp, but with better sectional density.

@timrobinson6573

Жыл бұрын

I've wanted to try them from my PC Charger. 185 grain 9mm from a 7 inch barrel might be interesting.

Thanks for the short barrel. Only length that is relevant for me.

Good to see you wearing eye protection as well. I was shooting my SP 101 last week and the barrel sheared off at the threads, bounced off a piece of plywood which was my target and came back and hit me in my forehead. It could have just as easily hit me in my eye. From now on it's eyes and ears. Lesson learned.

@ryancawdor8083

Жыл бұрын

Man, that is a bad situation! Any idea what caused it to shear off? Glad you weren't hurt badly!

@buckshot4428

Жыл бұрын

@@ryancawdor8083 I am no expert but I have been told by some that are that overtorquing of the barrel is a possible cause. I was shooting factory WW 110 jhp which is a mild magnum load. Since I posted I have seen several Ruger barrels do the same thing - not saying it's a Ruger thing either.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I have had shrapnel embed in my face directly below the safety glasses as if the debris hit my glasses and followed the curve of the glass down to my cheek. I have gotten a bullet to the head too lol, slightly deflected by my glasses. It was a 2018 video with the ARX ammo, I think part 2 I called it

@buckshot4428

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Someone was looking out for us for sure. Back in the mid 70's I reloaded some ammo for my Smith 29 6/12". I was new to reloading. Took it to the range and shot it and there was a guy standing to the left and behind me. He received a piece of the copper jacket right below his eye. I looked at my reloads and I guess I used the wrong seating die which had cut a ring around the top of the bullet. I don't know if it left the b/c gap or the front of the barrel. That was a real close call.

@JJ_SDWR

Жыл бұрын

@@buckshot4428 Holy sh*t, I hope you didn't tell the guy you were shooting handloads, I'd be worried about him sueing you over that. I guess that's one silver lining about buying store-bought ammo is getting to play dumb

Thanks. Looks like good ammo. Nice shooting. Thanks for sharing. Take care.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, thanks for watching.

@bobcatforever3485

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Thanks to you, always great videos.

I've heard bad things about 147gr Gold Dots but they seemed to do fine here. I like standard pressure HSTs in 147gr but I wouldn't hesitate to use Gold Dots after seeing this. The Rangers, ok but not my first choice.

I use 147 grain JHP Winchester white box as a standard. Usually your just paying for a fancy box with most "+P Super Duper Duty" rounds.

Gold Dots were one of the first bullets designed to be barrier blind (expand on target without under- or over-penetrating AFTER passing through cloth, glass, wall board, sheet metal, etc.) and they are still one of the best on the market. As for bullets going from super- to subsonic destabilizing...it's doesn't automatically happen, and depends on the bullet. Some of the old black powder "buffalo" cartridges were accurate out past a mile despite going transonic within a few hundred yards from the muzzle.

Another excellent video. So short barrels don't benefit from +P ammo. It makes sense when ya think about it.

I had some Speer Gold Dot 40 S&W that came with my SD40VE and boy that was some spicy stuff!

Good to know. Thanks!

Good job man I have watched a lot of ammo test I would like to think the ammo manufacturers would test there products in ballistic jell with heavy clothing before putting it out here

Great testing Sam. Thanks for all you do. These rounds are barrel length sensitive. 🎩♠️🎱🇺🇲🇺🇦🌻🔱💮🌸🌸🌼👊🏁🏴‍☠️🏹

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Good information thanks

👍😊🎯 good shooting.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Your 75 yard offhand group with the Ranger T, was very impressive.

The new version of the Winchester is the 147gr Ranger One. It would be interesting to see how it performs. Similar velocities to the supposed +P offering here, but with a plug in the hollow point.

My PD issues us Gold Dot 124GR +P and it does good thru windshields! 😅 but I do miss the .40 S&W we had when I first started my career in law enforcement in 2017 .. the 9 does make me feel under gunned sometimes tho. GREAT VID THO 👍

@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965

5 ай бұрын

Exactly!!!! My uncle is a Cincinnati police officer and they HAVE to use 147gr Winchester T series! I agree that 147gr is too heavy for good expansion in the 9mm I have a Springfield Armory XD40 and use 165gr @ 1,175 ft/s Hornady Critical Defense in winter and 155gr @ 1,200 ft/s in the summer.... I have also just started carrying Liberty Civil Defense 60gr @ 2,000 ft/s. That round has made level 3a useless! Slices right through it... Windshields, car doors etc etc goes right through.... And there is A LOT of videos on here proving it.....

You need magic pockets like Paul Harrell. My revolver has gold dot and my semi-auto has HST. Nice test. I was not surprised by the gold dot performance.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I have actually thought about it, but more like possible range chest holsters that are generic and lowered belt holster rigs that hang off the belt, then I got different vertical levels of guns lol.

@ctsnider88

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Nice😅

Great comparison! Looks like the Gold Dot is where it’s at. I wonder how they compare to the Federal HSTs?

I would be interested to see the ole 2x4 test with the 147gr vs say a lighter round such as a 115 or 124gr. I believe the police like the 147gr for deeper penetration on barriers and such.

Good stuff

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Any chance of getting a cz scorpion or something equivalent to test 9mm In longer barrels? Love your channel and all the time and effort you put in. You are on the top of ballistic gel testing 💪🏻

@imeprezime1285

Жыл бұрын

Owning scorpions or any firearm capable of fast rate fire is illegal for civilians in USA. I would recommend a pistol caliber carbine for the tests

@JJ_SDWR

Жыл бұрын

@@imeprezime1285 what? CZ Scorpions are not illegal in the US. Fully automatic weapons are much more tightly regulated and you have to apply for a tax stamp to buy them, but semi-auto CZs are very common.

Through cloth, the GDHP is a major advantage feom my testing. Especially through a down jacket over a t-shirt

I just switched from my rip rounds I had always been impressed with. They would go thru wood, windshields, clothing no problem but when fragment once it hit an animal like a human. However I took three shots at a deer that surprised me and didn’t have time to get rifle. 50-60yd shot which I shoot to 100 with handguns during training. I shot once in the middle then top of back then belly and finally I picked up rifle and dropped it. That was the day I decided to either go with gold dot or federal hst. Both are a great choice but I can find more hst for practice. Just got 150rds to train with but will save some for December because that’s the one year date

Thank you soo much for this video, I am a Speer Gold dot fan. How was the recoil compared to 124 grain stuff?

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. The Gold Dot seemed to me like the same recoil as 124 gr.

EXCELLENT VIDEO. ILL TAKE THE BONDED RANGER ANY DAY! 21in is NOT over penatration in my book. The FBI can stick with investigating crime NOT ballistics testing.

HI Sam, first time watching you and my question is if the sub sonic rounds quieter?

I have yet to see someone test the heavy hitter of the 185 grain +M Siesmic. It seems that it would be better for full size and or carbine but would still like too see it thru a 3 inch EDC carry gun. Will it expand being shot from a shortter barrel

Interesting test. Have you ever considered drilling your own hollowpoints and testing against factory? I don't recommend doing this for defense but I'd be curious how they would perform. In a self defense situation a person would probably get into trouble for doing this however.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I haven't really felt the need really. Ultimately if I was going to do it, I would do it with hand loads and I would use flat nose SWC bullets like .38 Special 158 gr because I could easily drill them consistently. I wouldn't do it with FMJ ammo because it's often too rounded and it would be difficult.

No one should argue with you from 75 yards, that's for sure! It's also cool to see the bullet fragments kick up the leaves after they hit the steel. That's some nasty shrapnel. I did kind of expect you to swap the blocks for the second string of tests. I started getting lost with all those tracks. The Winchester seemed to be doing more damage, but not so much more that I think it would make *the* difference. It would come down to price as to which one I would buy.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I noticed the shrapnel too on this one. Very cool how it all goes down. I feel like I could do 5 yards if I really wanted to.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Oh, and on the second string, honestly I had miscalculated. For some reason I was thinking 4 shots, two in plain gel two in 'real world', but after I got out there and had just one clear block with me (other backup one nasty cloudy) I then realized, wait I have to do 8 shots because two ammos and two guns. Normally it's two guns and one ammo not two guns two ammos each.

@Fudmottin

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Gotcha. It's clear that the backer block has degraded a fair bit, but it still looked usable to me. I don't know that it actually was.

@Fudmottin

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Oh, that shrapnel is spreading out in a 360º circle, probably with some splash back. So I wouldn't get that close if I were you.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

@@Fudmottin When I first started using clear ballistics, I more or less ruined my first few blocks. If the process is done correctly and no water gets in it, and all the debris is cleaned out properly, it's just as good as new even 15 melts later, feels and reacts the same, just less clear. It is in theory unlimited remelts.

I have saw a test were JHP went going through clothes that the tip got clogged and acted like ball ammo when going into the gel

Hey sam I was wondering if I could email you directly about an idea I have about a slight modification that I have made to some regular 115gr FMJ 9mm ammo that might cause it to tumble on impact which would cause a lot of damage, I just don't have the ability to test it out like you do, I could send you pics and probably even a video of how easy the modification is and could even maybe send you some modified ammo for testing and evaluation..........?

My former agency issues Federal HST 147 grain 9MM for duty. All retirees who qualify for LEOSA certification get a new box of “duty” ammo every year. Surprising & very generous IMHO. Their duty weapon is the Gen. 4 Glock 19.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's just me, but in general 147 gr shoots more predictably. May just feel more like revolver muzzle rise for me or something.

I don't understand how you're able to hit that target at 75yrs, I doubt I'd get half on target at 50yrds... However, I'm still pretty green at this new hobby!

Many agencies are using 147 grain ammunition from Federal, Winchester, Speer, Remington and Hornady. Back in the early 90’s. Those older bullets known as Subsonic had a terrible reputation for failure to stop. The 115 +P+ loads from Federal and Winchester had a great one shot stop with actual Law Enforcement shootings. After the 1986 FBI debacle. It was recommended that all 9mm ammunition be 147 grain to penetrate. An LA Deputy shot a bad guy and the bullet passed through the glass killing an innocent bystander.

My worst fear: getting attacked by a naked person. I need to consider these. :) Actually, I will stick with my Gold Dot 124 grain +P for now. Thank for the vid.

I like the 147 in my s&w Mp2

for that diffrence ill stick with 124 gr 9mm +p.

So which is best? I mean which brand of hollow point is best for a 9 mm pistol?

I have been looking for 148 grain 9mm - it is very difficult to find. I like it as it is 1 better. If anyone knows where I can find some I would really appreciate their letting me know where.

I just bought a few Underwood ammo 9mm 147gr +p for extra inventory ...

And how about the newer 24226 g2?

Hard to beat the good old Gold Dot.

Hey Sam did u have any work done on your M P or is it stock u shoot it very well i have one just like it

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

stock, never messed with it

Yes 9mm is what I have👍🏻

I think I have the exact same jacket. Is that a Cabela's Roughneck?

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Mine says Walls Workwear. Someone gave it to me 10 years ago. Still possible to be the same, just different tags for different companies.

It would have been a better comparison if you had used Federal hst instead of gold dots.

How close is Gold dot to Federal HST in 9mm I wonder.

Underwood has a 147gr +p they are gold dots

Winchester 124gr +P for the win

Ballistics gel isnt supposed to be used to recreate wound channels. Only penetration/expansion

147gr a little too slow always preferred 124gr

@jeremygarza3892

Жыл бұрын

Same

You need to test what they wanted to see if they paid for the ammo

Keep in mind these look like Gen 1 147 gold dots not the more questionable G2 I believe

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tried the G2's yet.

Is that ranger, or ranger T?

Speer gold dot 147gr does come in a +p+ made by underwood

I get that comment constantly as well- "people don't wear 4 layers of denim." I usually respond with something to the effect of what you just did in the video. People that don't live in the north just don't get it- crime doesn't stop just because there is snow on the ground lol. We wear a lot of layers up here, especially if we're outside in the crap- and the layers are thicker than 4 puny layers of denim. And I don't know about you, but I can't afford to put holes in $300 worth of clothing every video to be "realistic" in testing for these scenarios and climates. That's why 4 layers of denim is used, and people also fail to grasp the concept that it is also meant to somewhat represent the effects of thick animal hide clogging up hollow points as well (think bear and moose attacks). They just hate it when they see their favorite carry round fail through the denim. In videos where the round is excellent and laughs at the denim on the way through, there are never such comments about how the denim wasn't fair or wasn't "realistic." You already know Sam- but yeah, I get the same crap on my channel as well.

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

"YOU SHOULD HAVE......." lol, then they say something that would suggest they are in a fantasy world and you will be like, (what is this guy talking about??). I believe it was the IWBA that started the denim thing, and the FBI then may have used it but they are more into the drywall/windshield testing. I think the regular 4 layer denim test was thought out well for a reason, and I love seeing my ammo excel through it. I can't understand the people's obsession with caliber and competition, they don't understand "comparison" lol. But you know, I spent like $660 on the longest possible 9mm barrel capable of easily handling +P+ just to trash the 9mm! haha

@BuckeyeBallistics

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam If I had a dime... the "YOU SHOULD HAVE" from people that don't even know how to upload a video 😅

Great work at 75.

I like gold dots

I like the Winchester bonded style of penetration more than the gold dot . The gold dot breaks up on bone . I want less expansion and more penetration if you have confidence in your hits

@spencermichaelson1882

11 ай бұрын

This is also the reason the Winchester is the only one getting 14” in auto glass too

pretty sure u gel tested 147 grain silver tips once.

I was starting to really like the Ranger at first. But was quite disappointed with poor performance in clothing & board.

147 grain at 1100 fps in 9mm is pretty good even for hunting inside 60 yards

For officers.... Hornady Critical Duty is best... Decent expansion and goes through EVERYTHING... I Hve that in my 1911 I use 165gr Hornady Critical Defense in my XD40 and 155gr @ 1,200 ft/s Speer gold dot... BUT I have been using 60gr @ 2,000 ft/s Liberty Civil Defense in my XD too .. The liberty Civil defenseine of ammo has made level 3a USELESS!!!! EVEN THE .380 VERSION GOES RIGHT THROUGH 😮😮😮

The ONLY difference in +p & standard is the Millitary & LEO gets the TRUE +P AMMO