Fancy Jargon words. Many people will say "what does it matter?" The matter is the difference between ordinary work, and the ability to turn out extra-ordinarily High Quality work. In ANY Field of human endeavor. Because those high-falootin' jargon words are actually labels for concepts or techniques. Learned skills. I come from 44 years in the field of Computer Programming. And this idea of learning / using the precisely right words IS Critical.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

This is exactly right, Bradford! It can save so much time and frustration when you can go straight to the source of the word. Like you said-the concept is the reason. 👍

@bradfordrusso7480

6 ай бұрын

@@TheHonestCarpenter Thank you for the compliment. I will share one carpenter story, I use to train my Computer Programmers. "Russo's Leigh Eshelman Theory". When I was in elementary school, dad hired this old man to custom build a project for his business. Old Mr. Eshelman showed up with only an old wooden tool box, he made, himself. Filled with ONLY a choice few HAND Tools. NO Power tools at all. He was incredibly skilled at the use of those simple hand tools. It was fascinating to watch him work. Decades later, I chanced to glance around my basement (hobby) "workshop". To proudly view the power tools I had accumulated. Both big and small. Table saw, drill press, router, sander, jig and circular saws, etc., etc. Suddenly, I realized, with great embarrasment -- that old man did better work with his few hand tools -- than I could with my whole basement full of power tools ! Since then, I teach my employees and apprentices my "Leigh Eshelman Theory". Which I incorporated into my Programming business. ... Simple tools, wielded with greater skill ... Wins ... against fancy power tools, operated with less human skill.

@twothirdsanexplosive

6 ай бұрын

​@@bradfordrusso7480fellow software engineer here and couldn't agree more. Understanding the Details and nuance and having good practices are necessary for high quality work.

@bradfordrusso7480

6 ай бұрын

@@twothirdsanexplosive I will share one example of how we developed and used very precise jargon terms. I started my custom software business in 1979. At the birth of the micro computer revolution. Machines were primitive. With tiny specs and capacities -- 4 MHz clock speed, 64 - 128 K RAM, NO Hard Drive. They only did one basic thing -- business data processing (book-keeping, inventory, etc.). A common task was to read serially down a large file. One record at a time. To locate any records which matched a specified criteria. An arduous task for slow, primitive CPU's. Well, I was an early fan of Nikola Tesla. (Before Anyone else knew about him.) When Thomas Edison died, scientists around the world wrote eulogies. Tesla wrote a left-handed compliment for his bitter enemy. ... "If Mr. Edison was given the task of finding a needle in a haystack ... he would set out with the dilligence of a bee. To carefully examine each straw, one at a time." (This was mocking Edison's savage ignorance of math and science.) So, to perpetuate the insult, I coined a jargon term: "Haystack Method". I taught my programmers the origin, meaning, and usage of this concept / term. To slowly, painstakingly read through every record, serially -- counting or copying any matches. (Note that our term "serial" was carefully distinct from the pre-defined term "sequential", as in Sequential vs. Random Access files. Each had its own Precise meaning and application.) The prgrammers were trained, one time. Then, all I had to do was say: "Search this inventory file by the 'Haystack method'. For any records low in stock. So we can re-order more." Very quick, simple, but precise work instructions. It worked like a charm. NO confusion, slip-ups, or long winded explanation for each new client / project.

@needaman66

6 ай бұрын

They also need to be the correct jargon. He messed it up here with ariss

This is amazing knowledge! This channel definitely stays at my Top playlist. Thank for all you are giving away to educate!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Awesome! Thank you for watching, slaphappy! 😄

Thanks, Ethan! Always clear and concise information from your channel!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, Trapper!

I learned something new today! Thank you!❤❤❤

Thanks Ethan, that's interesting and useful. For those of us who work solo it's not game-changing but, for those who work with others.... it's huge. Having a precise 'common language' saves errors, time and $$

This is absolutely fascinating😮

Great tutorial. Thank you!

Thanks for this information!

Loved this! Thank you 😊

Good revision for me. Thanks Ethan

Thanks for the lesson, Ethan. I was once one of the aforementioned 99 percent but thanks to you I no longer am. It may take me awhile to get it all right but you explained it well! 😊😊😊

Great information! Learning so much from you!😊

I never knew a board had so many names. Not being a carpenter, it's just a board to me. Very educational video.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I learned something new today, thanks Ethan

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, David!

I thought knowing face and end was all I needed. Thank you for humbling me in the best possible way. I feel smarter now. Thanks again

Using the correct terminology is paramount for success in every activity that involves two people communicating with each other.

Fascinating! Seriously! Thanx for sharing…

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, Doug! 😁

Yup, decades of woodworking and construction and this is the first I've heard the term arris/arrises. Thanks Ethan, good video, as always!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Ted! Good to hear from you, buddy. 🙂

Good stuff. I remember where I was when a fellow woodworker introduced me to arrises in around 1990. It’s so helpful to possess a common knowledge of precise terminology in any technical field.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, brad!

I love all your shows. Have learned a bunch. Thank you

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much, Cyn!

I'm 68, and just learned the correct terms. Thanks!!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

👍😁

I never knew any of this. Great subject! 👍👍👍

I never knew any of the terminology beyond the first six. Very informative, thank you.

Every industry has its own inside unique terminology. Thanks, Ethan.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

So true, Ben 🙂

Excellent video topic especially when there is a face edge and a back edge on a board the communication is important. Arris

I did not know this but thanks for sharing the information! This was a very interesting tutorial.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, John!

A new term to me that I did not know existed in wood working. Thank you Mr. Ethan

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, Timothy! 🙂

Wow! Amazing and fun video. Thank you.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Paul!

Knowing the different terminology can sure make things a lot smoother when working with others. If not, there would be too much time spent on describing or explaining what needs to be done. Learned something new today, thanks Ethan 👍

Great video. I know this is basic but it’s so useful!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Reasonable! I see it as one of those things that’s just great to learn early on. 🙂

Never heard of this! Thanks!

😮 absolutely love these videos

Love this content

Thank You 🙏

That’s some good information concerning the amount of sides to a board! I knew I had a good reason for watching you! I just gotta little smarter today and enjoyed it. Keep up the good info! 🏆👍🥇

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Lee! I appreciate you supporting the channel 🙂

@wilelee

6 ай бұрын

I’m happy to do so, it’s a blessing to be able to learn what should’ve been taught by professional carpenters but, for some reason was lacking. I appreciate you sharing knowledge in an understandable way. Thanks

Thanks went through 67 years without hearing these, in construction, engineering, woodworking. I have always been understood, and have made myself understood. I'll see if I can die not hearing them again.

Amazing video!

🎶 The more you know 🎶 🤓 Thank you so much for this Ethan!

Mind blowing information and hopefully I remember this to impress the cool kids!😂 Thanks for sharing.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, Pa! I know they’ll be impressed 😆

Very nice video. Arris. New to me. A novice carpenter at best. Pipefitting is my profession. I enjoy your videos. Keep them coming neighbor !

Wow and "I'll see you next time Ethan" always educational.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, Nash!

Joiners have another 2. Face side and face edge 😊

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Stu! 😄

Thanks ethan finally terms that are universal across the English language

I do like it when you make these types of videos! Bob England

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Bob! 😄 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Hi Ethan. Great video in the 26 surfaces of boards, mate. We are furniture makers in Western Australia. We found the video while having a break for a cup of if tea, and watched it twice. Cheers, mate ! Don.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

That’s awesome, Don! I love hearing from tradespeople overseas. Thanks for watching! 😄 🇦🇺

👋 ETHAN,COMMUNALITY OF TERMINOLOGY IS VERY IMPORTANT,THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION 🧐🤗👍💚💚💚

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, Budget! 😄

@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461

6 ай бұрын

@@TheHonestCarpenter HONESTLY,IT IS GREAT THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WITH KZread 💚💚💚

Very informative as always Ethan 😀

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Bill!

Gawd dang! I wish you d been my shop teacher! You re really good at this.

That's cool, never heard of arrises before. :)

What a cool word for an “edge”. It is a technical word that means something. It is more descriptive than an edge. Will tell my son and pester my dad and nephews. Somewhere Mr. Strunk and Mr. White are smiling.

You can't take the first sentence of the Wikipedia page for the term 'surface', ("A surface, as the term is most generally used, is the outermost or uppermost layer of a physical object or space."), and pluck it out of context from the rest of the entry to suit your definition, while ignoring the entirety of the remaining content. Yes, the surface is, at the most basic perceptual level, representative of what you can see of an object. However, once you start delving further into identifying specific components of an object, that loose definition no longer applies. As you get more specific, so too does the definition. You can't delve into the details and define more specific terms for certain features and then try to cordon off one term to be more loosely defined with a definition that is wholly inappropriate for the specific context. A rectangular wooden board does not have 26 surfaces. It has six. The vertices and edges (not the long, narrow surface that you refer to, but an actual geometric, polygonal edge) are not surfaces. Surfaces are generalizations of a plane (curved or otherwise) and a rectangular wooden board has six planes. You can say that a rectangular wooden board has 26 distinct features, but to claim that it has 26 surfaces is categorically false.

This was awesome and totally unexpected Ethan - thanks for this! I wonder how many of my union carpenter friends know the term arris??

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, Kevin! Time for a quick survey 😆

I learned aris from reading Drew Langsner's Green wood working and chair making books. Definitely worthwhile

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

That’s awesome! 😄

Thank you, Ethan. This was really interesting. And now I can be in that 1% and say things like, “Knock down that arris!” (Probably a good thing I work solo.) 😊

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

I used to work solo too, Phil. No one can complain about our fancy words that way 😜

Five letter word. Cant wait to use it in Wordle!

That contradicts the terminology that comes up in mathematics (there it's vertices, edges and faces), but each sector has its own naming convention. You can keep track of Arrises, Flat surfaces and Corners by the following fact (some restrictions apply) Corners - Arrises + Flat surfaces = 2.

You should demonstrate this by going out to a random jobsite and working with the carpenters on site. I would love to see that on video.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Oh I’ve had this conversation on jobsites before 😆

Here I was thinking that "Arris" is just a cable modem brand. You learn something new every day. 👍

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

As did I just now, Craig 😆👍

Back home in the UK these terms are commonly used,, and also, "Arris" is slang for a certain posterior anatomical part, as in, "Stop fidgeting and sit on your arris!"😁

LOVE this stuff!! So what happens when I put a kerf down the middle of the board? Would those be inner-edges and what about where the "inner-edge" meets the face at the bottom of the kerf cut? I think I just locked up my brain....

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

It just gets harder and harder to comprehend 😅

It's also important to recognize where the same words are given different meanings in other contexts. For example, the long narrow surface called an edge in carpentry would be considered a face in CAD. An arris would be called an edge: the curve of intersection of two faces.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Interesting Dane!

Yeah...Nobody working at Lowes or Home Depot is gonna have this level of expertise on Lumber. 👷🏿

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Generally not, W! 😅

@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1

6 ай бұрын

You would be surprised how much the Home Depot people know.

I always though the arrises were the women who inherited the house from family.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Just 🤯

OK - heading out to impress my friends now!

Now I feel silly I wasn’t calling those surfaces arrises, I was calling that line an arse! Guess that makes me the butt of that joke!

Interesting! Now I know that I knocked down the arrises to my sharp dresser I had assembled recently. I noticed the edges were too pointy so I beveled them..I think I said that right 🤔

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

You got it, Mary! 😁

More than one ARRIS is Arri? LOL, great vid!

*Two thumbs up*

I can’t wait to school my boss tomorrow, gotta start the week off right 😎

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Get him! 😁😁

@shawneeg214

6 ай бұрын

@@TheHonestCarpenter update, you hiring?

"Put that thing in this thing this way" - Expert to apprentice. Also, if you round up the sides you dont need to use extra terminology.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

That’s what I’ve heard on a million jobsites 😂

Edge vs. End: It is not determined by size, it is determined by which one has the end-grains and which doesn't. In most boards, the shorter one also happens to be end

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

This is true in dimensional, but not mdf or any other composite boards. Plywood would probably be determined by surface grain. But I should have indeed mentioned that.

"Harris's arrisses were heavenly", say this in a British accent..Thanks for the info!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

😂

Its pine, i remember this from HS carpentery class from trade school. I didnt lean arrise

When I try to translate “arrises” into my language, it says “opstår”, which means “occurs” in danish 😂 I wonder if there even exists a danish word for arrises. If it does I’ll find out. Great and useful terms in this video 👍

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

That’s amazing, SWA! I love hearing about carpentry in other languages/countries 😁👍

@SWA-Projects

6 ай бұрын

@@TheHonestCarpenter Well i figured that the word would be “linje” (line), which normally is a commonly used word when doing drawing stuff like blueprints or for distinction of close or joined parts. But I’ve never heard of the word being used as a term exclusively for boards like that 👍 now you know 🙂

What a pain in the arrise!

Fun fact: it comes from the Old French word areste (arête in modern French), which means “stop”. So I guess they are the places where the faces, edges, and ends “stop”.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

That’s a great fact, Marc! 😄

LOL. I love how the computer programmers comment that precise terminology is paramount. Knowledge for knowledge's sake isn't a bad thing. Might help you win a game of Trivial Pursuit someday. But carpentry ain't programming. In my 40+ years around construction and wood working no critical error was ever made on a jobsite or workshop, because someone didn't use the word arris. As a matter of fact no one ever uses the word arris. If it's so important, it wouldn't be a "secret." Using arris on the job is in most instances going to get you nothing but a blank stare, or a hammer thrown at you. I can just imagine: "Hey Joe, run your tape up to that arris... wait, what? Ow!" "No! Stop! I didn't say run that tape up your anu...Ow!" "Yo Tom, don't forget to shave the edge banding off of that arris... Tom? Tom? You okay?" Here's some more important parts of a board: Long point, short pint , heel, toe, crown, bend, cup, knot, hole... Those words matter. Not arris.

I was expecting an explanation for "crown", "cup" and "grain" too since you had so many terms.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Different video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gHl80dmiXcLOpto.htmlsi=Q0Yrh6VJnnviK3DY

All these years of cutting wood, I referred to everything as “this edge, that edge, the top, the bottom, no..*that* bottom” I’m going to regain so much more time in not having to explain.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

I’ve been there, Ian. Lots of convos like, “flip it to the other side…no, the good side!” 😅

Ariss is what you do to the sharp edge. When you ariss the edge ro take paint. Follow for more accurate information😅 the term ariss the edge or ariss it, mean to take thhe sharp edge off.

@bobs12andahalf2

6 ай бұрын

And we call that chamfering. 'Arris would be Harris with a dropped H.

@needaman66

6 ай бұрын

@@bobs12andahalf2 chamfering is different to an arris. If you'd done an apprenticeship you would know thst

@bobs12andahalf2

6 ай бұрын

@@needaman66 sorry, didn't see you way up there on your horse.

@G0F15H

6 ай бұрын

​@bobs12andahalf2 Chamfering is usually a small 45. The action you're referring to is usually called "break" "soften" or "deburr" (if the material is metal)

👍👍👍

When I realized that latin in science is fundamental :/ And I entered from a engineering background lol its a pain but fun challenge to learn them terms

This is a lot of information, but not really necessary for a DIY handyman/handywoman. I hat never heard of Arrises & it hasn’t been a problem for me for the (probably) 55 years. I don’t think my dad let me handle power tools until I was around 16 y/o so I’ve done over half my life not knowing this term. I am a weekend fix-r-upper so it was not necessary for me to ever hear that term. It’s good for the builders of housing and everything else you use wood to make. That’s too technical for my needs & requirements.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Perhaps, Anthony. But my guess is…now you’ll never forget it! 😏

🤘🖐️

My surname is Harris, and I’m from London (UK). So the correct pronunciation of it is indeed Arris - how fitting Tidy vid too, love learning things like this. Now to bore my wife with it…

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching, ‘arris! 😆 🇬🇧

I'm not a carpenter, but i know what an Arris rail is ;)

"arrises" : ok i learnt a new word today

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

👍😁

That most people working in the industry don't know the word means there's probably been no need for it. And if you already do your job at a high level, learning jargon is not going to improve your work. Naming 26 or 40 parts of a single piece of lumber just sounds like way overcomplicating. It just doesn't come up in general carpentry. Most of us carpenters don't know our arrises from a hole in the ground. 😁

Never knew this in 50 years of wood butchering. Your percentage is too low. Add point nine to that. If I utter it I’ll have to provide a link to your video.

I got wood. 👍

Why are the sides called edges when they're also faces and the bits where the faces join are edges? It's always confused me

ARRISES are sharp edges where 2 surfaces meet at an angle. They are not sharp SURFACES (two-dimensional spaces) and are not LAYERS (thickness of material). You are welcome.

@ayrnovem9028

6 ай бұрын

Zoom in with 20x magnification, and you will find out that an arris is not actually that sharp and very much a surface. In practice, describing it as an edge, a surface or a layer depends on how fitting that description would be for the actual task.

@piotrtrocki3842

6 ай бұрын

@@ayrnovem9028 Hey genius, if you zoom in with electron microscope and you were the size of bacteria...... Try to bring your IQ out of single digit zone. Do you understand what it means when surface is described as 2 dimension space?

@ayrnovem9028

6 ай бұрын

@@piotrtrocki3842 I definitely understand what it means when someone starts personal verbal attacks for no reason. It means that your psyche is too delicate for this conversation. Sorry for making you upset, bye.

@piotrtrocki3842

6 ай бұрын

@@ayrnovem9028 lol, I'm not complaining, maybe it's you who is too delicate. At least try to prove, I'm wrong and throw in "moron" at the end of your comment.

That edge is a pain in the arris

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

😆😆

What you name as "ends", in german language is named as "Stirnseite" which literaly translate to "Forehead side". And the wooden grain you can see there we name as "Hirnholz" - literaly translated to "Brain wood". Translations of technical terms are often very confusing.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

Wooooah! I did not know that Markus. Amazing. Thank you!

I know it! It's wood.

It just chaps my arrises and corners when the wrong words are used!

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

😁😂

Totally board with this video.

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

I’ll allow this 😆

Arris! Hahaha new world

Hell Ethan there's a lot of folks who can't even spell s4s

@TheHonestCarpenter

6 ай бұрын

😅