The A’s becoming homeless in California is sort of ironic

@juanarroyo2317

Ай бұрын

nah just fake fans. When As went to the playoffs in 2016 that stadium was packed.

@rzz9594

Ай бұрын

Wow . That comment is priceless. Good job . 👍

@markdinkel-uh2je

Ай бұрын

People are probably moving out of California in general in droves for at least 2 main reasons

@c1ramfan

Ай бұрын

@@juanarroyo2317 it was 40k every night back in 90s

@reesejabs1895

Ай бұрын

Does anyone in California have any money left at the end of the month?

Maybe if between tickets, food, etc it didn't cost a family of 4 like $400 people would go.

@fishinghuntingfool

Ай бұрын

Maybe if they didn’t pay the top players 30 million + a year it wouldn’t cost so much! 💸💸💸

@ronaldhall2489

Ай бұрын

Most just want to see a game not buy a team

Add to the fact that the city of Oakland is rapidly catching up to Memphis on the America’s most dangerous cities list.

@caseysmith544

2 ай бұрын

Yes, and has Past Detroit, who was just behind Menphis in USA dangerous big cities.

@HariSeldon913

2 ай бұрын

It's not like there's a lack of effort from Chicago to catch up.

@williamford9564

2 ай бұрын

Chicago and Philadelphia are saying " Bro. Hey. Look over here."

@Lewis9700

2 ай бұрын

​@@williamford9564 You can add NYC to the list

@gogreen7794

2 ай бұрын

Nonsense!

As a Dad. I cannot justify spending $200 dollars to take my two kids to a game. We can go to a minor league city on vacation & have a blast for $40 dollars.

@michaeldouglass8592

Ай бұрын

Exactly!!

@michaelwolf6424

Ай бұрын

And, while the season lasts, watching COLLEGE baseball . . ,.even good HS teams. . .is still a bargain. Professional baseball, like its overpriced cousins, is rapidly pricing itself out of family budgets.

@DavidZinselmeier

Ай бұрын

how do you have a blast? describe a blast to me? sounds like you are exaggerating.

@user-ys7sn5ft2c

Ай бұрын

$200? For my family of 5 to go to a Yankees game, park, eat, buy the necessary merchandise & half-way decent tickets, we’re spending $500 - $750.

@joeschmoe1794

Ай бұрын

@@DavidZinselmeierEasy. Go to a minor league game and spend quality time with your family. Not too hard to figure out.

I think part of the attendance problem with any team is $10 Hot Dogs, $8 Sodas, $7 Popcorn and $15 Beer. If a guy takes his two kids to a game for lets say at $35 a ticket, 3 Hot Dogs, 2 Sodas, 2 Popcorns, and Dad has 2 Beers. Then add $20 for parking, that's a total of $215 and then if the kids want a hat or jersey it's another $50+. That's a lot of money for a day at the ballgame, so their probably not going to go to a lot of games in a season.

@williamerazo3921

2 ай бұрын

It’s called a discretionary spending. All these events have become luxury that owners and players screw up.

@traybern

2 ай бұрын

THEY’RE probably.. NOT their!!!

@traybern

2 ай бұрын

ALWAYS take your kids for a PIZZA …on the WAY to the ballpark!!!!!

@rf3495

2 ай бұрын

And just to watch a $30,000,000 player scratch his nuts

@kevinkhoy7171

2 ай бұрын

Yes! the Greed 🤑 at the concession stands are out of control, across MLB ⚾

Never imagined that professional ice hockey would outdraw major league baseball in Florida.

@woxyroxme

Ай бұрын

The NHL is the most exciting league in sports

@abbush2921

Ай бұрын

@@woxyroxme LOL !

@truenorthben

Ай бұрын

Hockey is plain and simple more exciting, more dangerous, more athletic. You'll never see a Kirk (Jays) be even close to being as athletic as a hockey player, even a high school hockey player. Baseball is boring.

@italianstallion399

Ай бұрын

@@abbush2921 There's hitting, fighting, the most speed of any team sport, it takes less time to complete than other sports, the playoffs are the best and sudden death overtime is unmatched. LOL all you want, woxyroxme is right.

In general, baseball has become unaffordable for the average person. Ticket prices, food and drink prices...too high. But what do you expect when they pay so many players $10 - 50 million a year. Some make in one game what it takes me two years to earn, and I have a good job.

@torstenscholz6243

2 ай бұрын

Baseball used to be the sport of the American working class, now they can't afford it anymore. That really seems to be the fatal flaw.

@russellgoff6524

Ай бұрын

I do not have an issue with players' salaries. Remember, no matter how much the players make, the owners make more. And have more. The owners are merely passing the operating costs onto the spectators.

@joeshoe6184

Ай бұрын

​@@russellgoff6524yes! I've always been a labor over management guy, or in this case, players over owners. I think they could both stand to make a little less so a trip to the ballpark wasn't prohibitively expensive for the average American to attend more than a game or two a year. I'm a lifelong Cubs fan and I've watched Wrigleyville go from a neighborhood to a cash extraction district.

@russellgoff6524

Ай бұрын

@@joeshoe6184 Yes, I'm all for players, any workers for that matter, making as much money as they can and in solidarity with one another. BUT lol the sport has suffered because of it. For hardcore fans, there isn't much of a team concept any more because of the rapid turnover of rosters due to free agency. (I don't think the "average fan"---who is the only one who doesn't flinch at the ticket price---really cares about whether the home team's roster is completely different from one year to the next.) Many of the players are apathetic and spoiled. Fundamentals take a back seat because the contracts are guaranteed. I hate to say it, but for working class fans like me, the game was better when the players were treated like commodities and tied to their teams and could really use the playoff money. How ironic is that?

Attendance problems, well I can think of many reasons that have nothing to do with how good a team is. Grossly overpaid crybaby players, obscene ticket prices, worse than obscene concession prices, etc, just to name a few. I used to love going to ballgames but why break the home budget when you can just catch all the baseball you want on cable.

@davedalton1273

Ай бұрын

You forgot to mention obscenely wealthy owners. You are like so many other fans who place the onus on "grossly overpaid crybaby players," but never mention the greed of the already rich owners, who want even more of the pie. Aren't they also crybabies? Aren't YOU a crybaby.

@goodwoodBD

Ай бұрын

None of you would turn down the $ that the players are offered by owners. I love baseball and watch every game I can,either in person or on tv. The owners give these huge contracts and then turn around and cry about how much the talent gets paid. The biggest problem in baseball is that a few teams ruin it for every other team. Yankees,Dodgers and a few others shovel out money to players and the other smaller market teams cannot afford to do that.

@iworkout6912

Ай бұрын

Even in NYC going to see the Mets, riding the subway, and admission was relativity cheap at one time 25 years ago.

Easy solution, implement a salary cap rather than only having a handful of teams that have the ability to buy up every free agent of value.

@denisjl100

2 ай бұрын

i agree but it will never happen. baseball union is too strong and the owners cave every time talk of a cap comes up. when you can manipulate what little bit of a baseball cap that baseball has like the dodgers did this year, the fans don't stand a chance. the handwriting is on the wall for baseball, it will be the first major sport to lose teams rather than expand.

@sebsun

2 ай бұрын

@@denisjl100Rich owners used to vigorously fight against revenue sharing, but that ended up coming about. They just made huge changes to speed up the game because of poor fan attendance/viewership. If attendance numbers keep dropping, then the majority of owners will experience lower profits causing TV rights deals to potentially decline in the future. Owners may not have a choice but to institute a salary cap.

@denisjl100

2 ай бұрын

@@sebsun the salary cap would be welcomed by the owners, the problem is the player's union. they fight putting a limit on salaries at every turn. i think that that they would rather ruin the game than give in on salaries.

@gregb6469

2 ай бұрын

Or bring back the reserve clause.

@playboyflash

Ай бұрын

From Montreal and I believe a salary cap would have saved our Expos. Fans simply got fed up of being the unofficial farm team of the MLB.

Baseball used to be affordable to blue-collar workers. Only the well off can afford it now. The only way most afford it is with credit which is drying up. Add inflation to that mix and couple that with pretty high compensation packages for all involved and you have a recipe for lower attendance. Sure, bad owners are contributor along with teams that can't achieve winning records, but I suggest its more to do with the economy and overpriced tickets...

@e-man1634

2 ай бұрын

100% correct. The prices of tickets, food, drinks, souvenirs is just absolutely insane

@torstenscholz6243

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, true. The working class was always the main target group of baseball - both in terms of fans and players. Football was always much more expensive as it was always more a sport of the middle class, and also the NFL has much fewer games per season and bigger, more expensive stadiums, so naturally it was always much more expensive while baseball was affordable. Now it is just becoming too expensive for average blue-collar Americans.

The Pirates attendance issues are 100% on ownership.

@Tank4Life

2 ай бұрын

100%. The ballpark in Pittsburgh is awesome!

@pato6672

2 ай бұрын

Won't support a jagoff owner, or MLB.@@Tank4Life

@PoliticallyIncorrect90

2 ай бұрын

​@@Tank4LifePNC is the nicest park I've ever attended.

@quinnmurray5683

2 ай бұрын

I’m biased because I’m from pittsburgh but the 2013 WC against the reds was the coolest stadium experience I’ve ever had. The whole city had bucco fever and we could have it again if management showed a clear commitment to being competitive in the long run!

@planepirate

2 ай бұрын

Only team in baseball history to never reach 2.5 million fans in attendance, even in their good years. The whole city hasn't had bucco fever since the Steelers took over in the '70s.

Maybe the problem is the cost to attend a game. Florida residents are in large part on a fixed income so while these millionaire players and billionaire owners are happy, we the taxpayers/fans help fund these venues through taxes. Baseball is no longer a sport it's a business who doesn't respect it's fans.

@gogreen7794

Ай бұрын

That can be said about pro sports in general. Unfortunately, college football and basketball are heading in that direction.

@iworkout6912

Ай бұрын

Where to build a new stadium to replace the Trop. Some suggest the State Fair grounds, near Tampa.some wanted it on the bay in St. Pete. (dome less) I didn't know they were considering a new stadium next to Tropicana.

WHO can afford a ballgame when I have to buy groceries and gas.

@charland57

2 ай бұрын

Les propriétaires signent aux joueurs des contrats indécents, celui d'Otahni entre autre c'est un scandale, les fans vont finir par se tanner et ne plus se présenter aux matchs.

@scottythegreat1

2 ай бұрын

Most ballparks that dont sell out are relatively cheap to go to. Its ballparks that sellout that can charge an arm and a leg. Look at the Toronto Blue Jays. They dont sell well when the team doesnt perform (10 years ago, you got an upper deck seat for $10), but when they make the playoffs, the fans show up. With their renovations, the upper deck is $25. I used to be able to get lower deck outfield seats for $30, now, the same seats are going to cost me $90. Also, with the renovation, they took out MANY seats, and theyre going to be close to selling out nearly every game.

@RG-xi3rd

2 ай бұрын

The only place I can afford to eat out at is Golden Coral and have to get the take out to save money.

@gawi4405

2 ай бұрын

I regularly get bleachers or upper deck at Yankee Stadium for under $20 on stubhub. Split the huge chicken and fries bucket and get the $1 water from the guy outside the stadium and we're set.

@alex042687

2 ай бұрын

It's not that expensive. I know life has priorities but it ain't too bad like NFL games

I’m from Boston, I went to marlins stadium, sat front row on side of first base dugout (home plate side) for $22! Amazing

@trickolas78

2 ай бұрын

What does your home city have to do with the story? Im not from Boston myself

@PoliticallyIncorrect90

2 ай бұрын

​@@trickolas78He's comparing the cost of attending a Red Sox game with a Marlins game.

@PoliticallyIncorrect90

2 ай бұрын

Similar in KC. I attended a Royals game there last year and it was amazingly cheap for great seats and concessions. Sad that the Royals are going to build a new park.

@JoeM-rj1wq

2 ай бұрын

Where I sat for marlins would probably cost at Fenway $4-600 depending on the game. @@trickolas78

@stevesmith756

2 ай бұрын

I hate the new netting! Can’t see right. That ruined it for me

As a Miami native, we must also take into account, the Florida Marlins as a franchise, have always been fucked by bad owners. Fire sales after the world series, and false promises by Loria, Henry, and Heizenga, made the Miami fan base jaded, cynical, slow to trust, and yes, apathetic.

@imlost19

2 ай бұрын

attendance has been going back up since 2020 and I believe we will have the best year in the last decade this year. The Marlins have been doing things 6.5/10 whereas before it was more like 2.5/10. The WBC and Caribbean Series have been hugely successful and hopefully will help continue draw in larger crowds. I am optimistic about our future for sure.

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

I can point out that one of your other teams, the Panthers, also has up and down attendance. How about other teams like the Dolphins, etc? If it's happening across multiple teams, that could be a market saturation issue with more sports teams then your market can handle. I don't think the Panthers have been particularly badly managed, at least not over the past 10-20 years or so, and you've had some pretty good teams the last few years in particular, though attendance has come up the last couple of years in response.

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

@@Seriously_Unseriousexcuse me!? Know what you’re talking about! The Panthers have not only sold out every home game this year, but we average and over capacity at home! Dolphins have been selling out every home game for years, OVER Capacity as well and the Heat have sold out every home game since 2010! Before typing, please do your research and talk what you know and not what you think! Marlins is the only issue because of the shitty owners in the past! Miami wins, or get stars we sellout every home game, play with us and we just refuse to support shitty on purpose product! Miami sports will never go nowhere. Miami metro is a baseball market and we are baseball fanatics but the product use to be shitty but it’s been good this past season with better seasons to come! Y’all kill me speaking on a market that you either are not from or don’t have an understanding of why things happens a certain way…

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

Right but bottom line you can’t expect and blame the fans for being reluctant though. Past owners have shown us why we shouldn’t spend our money when they don’t even spend the money they have to invest in the organization in whichever way is best! So until they show us they want to win attendance won’t be the best unless we start to win consistently or actually acquire/sign the necessary players!

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

@@AntcmbHeat Dude - I looked up the stats. Attendance is good now, but it's been down in the past, and in the mid 10s it was around the 13-14 k range, before that it was up in the 16k + range, before that it was mid to low teens range. The attendance seems to fluctuate with the team's performance, dropping off into the mid to low teens when in a rebuild, and up to sell outs when in a contender or at least competitive phase. Just Google it.

The good news about Oakland is if you’re a transplant or want to see top tier opposing teams particularly for a mid week series, tickets will be SUPER affordable

@mylittlepitbull3143

2 ай бұрын

That's why I had season tickets to Ross backs for the clippers for years and years. One day, bird comes to town the next day, MJ comes to town etc etc

@markstevens4264

Ай бұрын

Yeah, as long as you don't get killed getting in or out of Oakland, it's SUPER affordable. Trips to the ER, not so much. The A's would have to pay me to go to a game in Oakland.

@mylittlepitbull3143

Ай бұрын

@@markstevens4264 is this Mark Stevens from canyon country

@iworkout6912

Ай бұрын

@@markstevens4264 Or paying to get you car windows replaced, if your car is still there when you leave the game. The outer parking lots are only a chain link fence away from some bad areas.

Watch Boston this year. Media talking heads point out that Fenway will always have decent sized crowds because it is a genuine tourist destination, but the Nation is very very angry. After choosing not to keep Mookie, letting Xander go, paying Sale bazillions to pitch about 5 games in 4 years and letting even moderately good players like J.D. Martinez, Alex Verdugo etc go..... not to mention pitchers like Porcillo..... They said they were going to be aggressive this past offseason and bring in talent. They did nothing. Ownership and management were viciously booed during their Spring Caravan type event . You will very likely see Tuesday afternoon games vs Oakland, KC and Cleveland with about 13 or 14 thousand rattling around Fenway in the future. For decades a crowd of under thirty thousand was unthinkable. Red Sox mgmt. has it's hands around the throat of the golden goose and they seem intent on killing it.

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

Well said! I’m a Marlins fan so you can only imagine how awful our management had been, always! Even Sox fans will stop showing up… it’s not that fans don’t have loyalty, but why should I spend my hard earned money when you not showing us you want to win?

@mahasw777

Ай бұрын

As a lifelong Yankee fan, it saddens me to see what the Red Sox management has done (and no, I'm not being sarcastic). Long live the great rivalry!

It wouldn't bother me a bit if they all folded, I haven't watched a game in over 30 years and I'm still alive.

@MrManfly

2 ай бұрын

Weird how Florida doesn't seem to care much about baseball. You'd think with it being a summer state in most spots the entire year and with a high Latino population that the state would care more.

@Rockhound6165

2 ай бұрын

And yet here you are.

@patbrennan6572

2 ай бұрын

@@MrManfly It looks like Hockey has taken over in FLA.

@torstenscholz6243

2 ай бұрын

@@patbrennan6572If a winter sport is able to draw more attendance in Florida than a summer sport that used to be America's most popular sport for about a century, then that really tells a lot how MLB is struggling to attract attendance, and how others, like football, basketball, hockey and soccer, just do it much better.

@JonesteinTX

Ай бұрын

Then WTF are you doing here mouthing off?

#6 Sign says “Indians” and that’s what they will always be. Go Tribe!

@Nick-dy4gk

2 ай бұрын

Also doesnt surprise me that their change to the guardians alienated fans and have hurt attendance

@neanderthalsnavel7411

2 ай бұрын

​@@Nick-dy4gkthere are a loud contingent of Cleveland fans who keep pointing out that the name change didn't affect the situation. Time will tell. I do not believe the attendance numbers. Dodgers and yankees stadium looks like 40k ppl. Cleveland stadium looks like 12-15k ppl and 20k+ are always reported.

Baseball used to be the national pastime and was at least in the 70s and 80s equal to football But at some point Major League Baseball decided to just like boxing did go to Cable / satellite pay-per-view only meaning that 25% of the population, those of us that do not have cable satellite do not get to watch the games yet our tax dollars pay for the upkeep of the stadiums That's why attendance is down in baseball Baseball is no longer part of the community Baseball is basically a reality show now! The federal government needs to remove baseball from its antitrust exemption given that baseball no longer serves the public trust what's the people

@torstenscholz6243

2 ай бұрын

There were also the doping scandals and lockouts of the 90s, which severely affected attendance, and generally, baseball just doesn't appeal to the youth anymore as much as it used to. Football, basketball, hockey and soccer offer much more excitement and much more action on the field, plus every single action can decide over the outcome of the game. MLB attendance is by far the oldest on average of all American professional sports and is also the one that has decreased the most over the past 30 years.

@AlwaysHopeful87

Ай бұрын

Yes, community. Gone.

White Sox will have a bottom 3 attendance because the owner is once again choosing not to spend

@michaelleroy9281

2 ай бұрын

As a White Sox fan, I look at the bright side, they did draw more than 6 other teams

@maverick1956hk

2 ай бұрын

Reinsdorf is NOT committed to winning

@Brad4083

2 ай бұрын

After watching the first two games, I think the White Sox have an interesting team that's going to surprise some people.

@austindzik4702

Ай бұрын

@@Brad4083 They will lose 110 games my man

@playboyflash

Ай бұрын

Given the projects are right there I wouldn’t feel safe attending games there.

Falling attendances at sports events indicate a sharp downturn in the economy, people simply cant afford the prices.

@hibbo1351

23 күн бұрын

Show what metric reflects a 'sharp downturn in the economy'. I've been to two games. I can afford it. Maybe it's all those Soros checks I get all the time.

It's sad how loanDepot park had a few great baseball crowd moments but they all involve the WBC.

@smokesletsgo2374

Ай бұрын

It was the first time some of those upper deck seats ever had an ass on them

Guardians??? That says a lot about the attendance problem and to ignore that fact regardless how bad the team is; at least fans had a connections when they were called the Indians, not anymore. The only way you get enough people to watch a Cleveland baseball team now is to watch the movie "Major League".

@gregoryzeren5806

2 ай бұрын

Who do you play for? The Indians. We have uniforms and everything. It's really great!

@Aaron_R

Ай бұрын

I went to a game last year - I usually go to one game a year (June/July/August). Cleveland also has bad weather usually earlier in the season and sometimes later. Games in April/early May is usually bad. Usually September is good weather wise but if the team isn't competitive that usually affects attendance. Occasionally you'll get bad weather in late September. Honestly, I think the Southern teams should be mostly away in summer, and Northern teams mostly homes but they never make the schedule like that.

@jeffthewhiff

Ай бұрын

I am used to the name change of the Cleveland Guardians, but they will always be the "Indians" to me.

@gogreen7794

Ай бұрын

@jeffthewhiff And over time, younger folks will forget the former name, just like New Yorkers forgot that the LA Dodgers used to be the Brooklyn Dodgers. The NY fans were VERY upset when that move happened. How many people these days even know that?

@edgein3299

Ай бұрын

Go woke, go broke. Yet teams keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

The Giants might have sold that many tickets, but there definitely weren't that many fans in the stands last year. Expect less this year with a rotation of Logan Webb and 4 question marks.

@Rockhound6165

2 ай бұрын

Giants just got Snell so there's that.

Attendance problems = bad owners

@thefox47545

2 ай бұрын

And fair weather fans. Dodger Stadium packs at least 45k EVERY GAME even during slumps (one of the reasons they have so much money for all those players).

@williamerazo3921

2 ай бұрын

Bingo

@williamerazo3921

2 ай бұрын

@@thefox47545Dodgers fans don’t move like rust belt teams and central division teams

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

@@thefox47545never mind they only play in the 2nd largest market……..

@Michael-uu7zq

2 ай бұрын

@@thefox47545 naw the fans only pack the stand because their team try’s to win games because of a good owners

The only thing that can fix the Rays’ attendance in Tampa is a move to Tampa proper, ideally into the Ybor district. The Rays actually do very well in terms of local TV and radio ratings, but nobody wants to deal with the Hillsborough Bridge to get to St. Pete and attend in person. But I fully believe they can draw 30k per game if they move to Tampa proper.

@S_Over_Street

2 ай бұрын

Is it cause the city of Tampa or the county doesn’t want to give them tax dollars for a new ballpark? As why the Rays ownership went back to St Pete & their county’s leadership for Taxes on a new ballpark & have tentative plan.

@MilesTailsProwe

2 ай бұрын

They've tried to make that move for years only to fail.

@bryantsteury8910

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Huge developments recently in downtown Tampa would make a move over the bridge a slam dunk

@OCPDesigns

2 ай бұрын

@@S_Over_Street Yup, it 's exactly that. The difference between the tax dollars the city of Tampa and the city of St Pete are wiling to put up is very significant. The Rays ownership is very cheap and really looking to spend the least amount as possible. Would a stadium in Tampa significantly help attendance? Absolutely, but it seems like the ship has sailed.

@imlost19

2 ай бұрын

Marlins did that and it didn't help

With the exception of Kansas City, all these stadiums seem to have one thing in common: placement in a BLIGHTED area, i.e., HIGH CRIME, and fans with money and nice cars won't go to such an area! And the Royals propose to locate their new downtown KC stadium in such an environment! Who said all rich business folk were SMART?

@traybern

2 ай бұрын

They’re ALL built to get TAXPAYERS to fund a LOT of the project!!!

@gogreen7794

2 ай бұрын

Coors Field was initially built in a "blighted" area of Denver. That, with a few other factors, completely turned the "Ballpark" neighborhood around.

@jfifield20

2 ай бұрын

Chase Field in Downtown Phoenix is not in a blighted area.

@DavidZinselmeier

Ай бұрын

kanas city stadium is in a blighted area. no one wants to build around the stadium...only denny's

@1972Ray

Ай бұрын

Thing is, even in a city like Baltimore, when you go to a Ravens or O's game you're surrounded by tens of thousands of fans. I have not heard of any instance of a fan being bothered .

I get into two Nats games from blood drives at the stadium. The seats they give us are always high up, but since nobody goes to games, I would move to right behind the dugout in the 3rd inning.

The Chicago White Sox have done fine in Bridgeport since 1910. The problem is 100% ownership.

There was a weekend recently where the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp (the Marlins AAA team) averaged more fans than the Marlins. I see where the MLB isn't working in Florida, but I've been to a couple of minor league stadiums in Florida and they seem draw pretty decent crowds.

@williamerazo3921

2 ай бұрын

Because it’s cheaper and it’s there own fanbase teams

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

Also, other sports teams like the Panthers and Lightning seem capable of drawing well, especially the Lightning (though they've won a few Stanley Cups within the last 5 years so they've had some great teams to get behind on ice at least), so it could be a location or management issue for the baseball teams. Someone else from the Miami area commented that the Marlins are chronically terribly managed, and that will turn off even the most rabid fan base eventually.

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

We’ve also had bad ownership but according to your logic we should just show up right?

@scotttardif763

2 ай бұрын

But even with decent crowds there's no A+ or AA minor league teams in Florida. The Florida State League was relegated to low A status.

Baseball Problems: 1) It is a boring game to America's yutes. 2) The Dodgers buying everyone makes it pointless and dull.

@joeshoe6184

Ай бұрын

Yeah my son is in his 20s and neither him nor many of his friends are into baseball, although he loves football and basketball.

@horaceball5418

Ай бұрын

I am old, and when I was 10, ninety per cent of the boys played little league and followed base ball. Now they dunt.@@joeshoe6184

@SylveonMujigae

Ай бұрын

@@joeshoe6184What type of football? (I’m more into ice hockey and association football)

@NicolaS-nu6gh

Ай бұрын

What’s a yutes?

@daviddejesus5376

Ай бұрын

Two Yutes!

3:39 “It only seats 💺 around 37 people” 😂

@johnbrowne2170

2 ай бұрын

For horseshoes?

@JoseArteaga

2 ай бұрын

This is true I been there before

@99somerville

2 ай бұрын

More than enough.

Attendance is up because they count tickets closed not butts in seats. Pitch Clock is bull crap.

@jameshepburn4631

Ай бұрын

Gainsford’s Law! Named after the legendary trainer & business advisor of boxer Sugar Ray Robinson. Back when big draw boxing matches were held in stadiums and later with closed circuit theaters, different venues or syndicates would bid against each other to get to handle the big event. In a hot & heavy negotiation, some rival argued his group, not Gainsford, should have the promotion because his group of theaters had more seats. Gainsford landed the big fight when he shot right back with what became known as Gainsford’s Law: “It ain’t how many seats you got, it’s how many asses you got in them seats”. George Gainsford, R.I.P.

PNC is a terrific ballpark -- one of the most beautiful in all of baseball (as is Camden Yards). And Pittsburgh has become a wonderful, livable city. The Pirates have a long, storied history. The only reason they have been bad since 2016 is that their contemptible owner is a cheapskate. Historically, even when they develop outstanding players, they let them go as soon as they become eligible for free agency. Disgraceful ownership.

@jerrydunn3260

Ай бұрын

The owner, Robert Nutting, knows it's nothing more than a business and treats it as such. Smart guy. Why not pocket those millions rather than pay huge salaries.

As far as Cleveland goes, you go woke you go broke-USA USA USA

The Giants attendance figures are due to season ticket holder renewals...most of their games had buttloads of empty seats

@bcgonynor

2 ай бұрын

Could you explain? Why are the season ticket holders not selling their unwanted tickets on Stubhub or seatgeek?

@tomryan914

2 ай бұрын

Shh!...don't say 'BUTT' in San Francisco..."Are you going with a flower in your rear...?".😝

@wooltron1

2 ай бұрын

Didn't see your comment, but I just posted essentially the exact same thing.

@scotttild

2 ай бұрын

A lot of people dropped season tickets after they hit everyone up for a second PSL after they said they would only have to pay one. They also removed some of the outfield seats which people liked. They still are just outside the top 10 and not bad for a team that is just dreadful to watch.

@michaelleroy9281

2 ай бұрын

Back in the mid 70s the Giants had almost nothing crowds at the Stick similar to what the A's attendance is now

The Padres were 3rd last year in attendance at over 40K. Let's hope they do better in 2024.

Not only is Tropicana Field a crappy ballpark it's in a crappy area. I went to one game and the cops had no, I mean zero, clue on how to control the flow of traffic. They relied on our nororiously crappy traffic lights to control the flow and then spent their time yelling at drivers and chasing people out of the left-lane they needed to be in to get to the crappy parking lot because they were in an intersection, an intersection that didn't matter because they did such a crappy job in the first place and relied on crappy traffic lights. If I sound a bit redundant it's because that's how things roll in St. Pete. Florida is also known for narrow streets, especially in the older parts of a city which means they would have to tear down entire business sections to widen the roads to the point they could support large volumes of people. And then there is the problem of so many transplants like me living here. I'm a Tiger fan. Have been my whole life and will remain one until the day I die. The Bolts actually have the best homegrown fanbase in the Tampa/St. Pete area. Go figure, hockey is king in the heart of Dixie...eh. All we need now is Tim Horton's and Don Cherry. I know there is a plan in place to build another crappy ballpark in the same crappy area but they would be better served if they moved the franchise to Orlando. Or moved it out of the state entirely. Florida is all about spring training and minor league franchises. The market in the state can barely support one team let alone two. I may have given Tropicana a crappy review but crappy is as crappy does. That place sucks.

@scotttardif763

2 ай бұрын

Well put,sir! As a Red Sox fan I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Central Avenue can't compare to Lansdowne,Jersey and Brookline Avenue. And Ferg's ain't no Cask And Flagon. Don't know if you are close to Tigertown but as for me going to Fenway South it's a solid four hour drive from Daytona area.

Born and raised in south Florida, I can say that there is actually quite a demand for baseball in the state. The problem is that no one who lives here roots for the Florida teams. More than half of the people who live in Florida are not from here, and if they are their parents aren’t. Pretty much all of my baseball friends aren’t fans of the rays or the marlins because they choose whatever team their parents are loyal to (partly because of the teams being quite boring and bad). If anyone has ever watched a game when the Yankees or Mets are in Florida, the stands are packed with yankee or Mets fans. It’s honestly kinda sad as a Florida native. The main problem with the rays is the location of the stadium. Being in St. Petersburg makes it almost impossible for Tampa residents to drive to games without having to sit in their car for two hours. I live about 2.5 hours away from both the stadiums and going to a rays game would take me probably close to 4 hours by car. With that being said, Orlando is basically the heart of Florida baseball and I think them moving to Orlando would help a lot, but I don’t think we will ever see consistently high attendance unless one of the teams becomes very good for a long while.

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

I can also add that, while it's a different sport, you Florida people do support your 2 hockey teams quite well, especially the Lightning, so perhaps it's an issue with bad management for your baseball teams not getting support. The people of Tampa seem to love their Lightning! Miami seems to support their Panthers when they're good and drift away when they're rebuilding. What's support like in Miami for your other sports teams and how well managed are they?

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

Marlins problem is ownership’s problem! Nothing else but that! Even show up when the owners have constantly showed us otherwise? Put product on the field and Miami shows up! You show us you don’t want to win we will not come! It’s way too much to do in Miami besides sports

As an orioles fan there’s been no reason to go for quite a few years. However when it was apparent they were good last year they had great attendance. Now with new ownership and great young players I doubt attendance will be low

@josephromance3908

2 ай бұрын

Yeah...what was Oriole attendance as the season progressed?

@1972Ray

Ай бұрын

@@josephromance3908 Attendance at Oriole park 2023 increased by about 10,000 people from the start of the season to the end.

As for the White Sox, where they play isn't the problem. Bridgeport has supported them for 110 years, that's not the only issue. As for KC, I think downtown stadiums are the way to go, but I will be sad to see kauffman go away.

@Wizardsleave69

2 ай бұрын

The neighborhood is ok, but downtown is a much better option.

@Max-bi8fn

2 ай бұрын

@@Wizardsleave69nobody lives downtown

@HawklordLI

2 ай бұрын

I'm in KC, any downtown ballpark is a bad idea. Traffic, parking and crime make it a really stupid idea...and we love the K.

@robertholmes8835

2 ай бұрын

We’ve been spoiled in KC with the location of the ballpark. Easy in easy out not much problem with crime. Now stick us downtown, to deal with parking nightmares and crime. Look at the sprint center( downtown) Just ask a few of the regulars that attend events and find out how many end up with their cars stolen or vandalized or are approached by thugs, no thanks I’ll stay home and spend my money on other entertainment that I don’t have to worry about someone waiting on an easy score. My kids don’t need to be exposed to that nonsense, besides that the team sucks and now you’re making it harder to have a 2 or 3 hour escape from the reality of nonsense.

@goldpop5001

Ай бұрын

@@robertholmes8835 Totally agree. The same fans who are staying away now will have even more reason to do so. Makes no sense.

Florida has proven they dont want the MLB. It's just that simple. Rays will not solve anything with a new stadium. Look at the Marlins with a new stadium.

@kingmo8789

2 ай бұрын

Well, to be fair the Marlins hasn't been all that good since they played in that stadium. The Rays standpoint, they have a great team, but have 2 problems: One, the stadium, Two, it's in a bad location. If they build a stadium in Tampa, then their attendance will skyrocket.

@user-lt4df7ps1j

2 ай бұрын

@@kingmo8789 Maybe, I am a hard maybe on moving them to Tampa will result in increased attendance. I mean less than 20,000 to playoff games this last year was eye opening. You can name any excuse you want to, and some are valid (I read many during when it happened.) But I'd argue, I live in MN, and the Twins packed 40,000 on short notice during an afternoon game last year to open up the playoffs. I drove 3 hours to go to that game. In fact many fans from all over the state drove 1-3 hours to get to that game. To see empty Trop for playoff baseball was a huge alarm to MLB.

@PoliticallyIncorrect90

2 ай бұрын

The Rays' stadium location is their issue.

@jamesrawlins735

2 ай бұрын

I remember decades ago MLB kept trying to keep a team out of Tampa. I suspect the owners knew that the team would have attendance issues for years to come. I do blame the owners more in Miami - having fire sales after you win the WS is a terrible message.

@sammylantz7660

2 ай бұрын

nah it’s the location. the bucs and lightning sellout like crazy if the stadium is in actual tampa more fans would go

D*Backs fan here. You talk about them moving to Scottsdale like a relocation. Scottsdale and Phoenix are the same market. We have multiple cities here in The Valley that would be major metro area anchors in other states. A ‘move’ to Scottsdale would be fine. Love the channel!

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

As someone from the Phoenix area, what is going on with your sports attendance? Seems like you've also got issues with the Coyotes as well, who are in danger of moving, possibly to Salt Lake City or, who knows, maybe even Quebec City? That would be interesting if the Coyotes did move to Quebec as they came from Canada in the form of Winnipeg and would be ending up back in Canada again. Still, I feel for you in Phoenix having multiple sports teams struggling. Are any of your other big league teams struggling also?

@davidlafleche1142

2 ай бұрын

The Diamondbacks don't need to move.

@nadaesfacil

2 ай бұрын

​@@Seriously_UnseriousThe Coyotes is a much different scenario lmao. We genuinely never cared for the Coyotes. Our baseball team has fans they just haven't had a winning product they'll be fine. Give them a winning product and they'll come. Just like the sun's. Sell out after sell out. And it's next door to the Chase field. We love our home grown teams.

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

@@nadaesfacil So would you say if the Coyotes moved and you got an expansion team your fans would support that better then a transplanted Winnipeg Jets team?

@user-bb3yv8dy7q

2 ай бұрын

@@Seriously_UnseriousIt is the same situation with the Oakland A's, Las Vegas would rather have an expansion team than the A's. Las Vegas natives Bryce Harper and Paul Sewald who now pitches for the D'backs

You're dead wrong about the A's attendance being fixed once (if) they relocate. They'll continue to have attendance problems as long as Fisher owns the team no matter where they play.

@iworkout6912

Ай бұрын

The new Las Vegas stadium will only seat 33K, which will make it better optics than showing a large stadium with 66K seats mostly empty. I propose to put a casino down in the bottom. I know its across the intersection from MGM, NY NY etc. but maybe a gambling screen at each seat..../sar

@DerekDominoes

Ай бұрын

@@iworkout6912 Better optics isn't better attendance.

Surprised my Reds weren't on this list actually.

@jamesrawlins735

2 ай бұрын

Reds had their best attendance since 2015. Took awhile for numbers to recover from Covid. Past four seasons they haven't been that bad - even going to the NLWC in 2020. Aside from a terrible 2022 they've at least been in wild card race for most seasons.

Oakland fans are the Rodney Dangerfield of fans. They don' get no respect.!

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

yeah, they don't get no respect at all!

@schartattack

2 ай бұрын

They don’t deserve no respect. They’re a garbage team and a garbage organization. They ought to be contracted.

@user-bb3yv8dy7q

2 ай бұрын

@@schartattack Kofa was talking about the fans don't get any respect, they have a passionate fan base in fact some players said they signed there because of the atmosphere. It is ownership that is garbage.

@keelychow4569

2 ай бұрын

Expos fans in Montreal: Hold our beer, and we want a team.

@user-oq9mv8pc2g

2 ай бұрын

Back in 80 Oakland set all time low attendance record for one game. Around 680 total people. Unbelievable

O's attendance jumped by almost 600,000 in 2023. I expect they'll draw somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.2-2.3 million this season--(which is about what they were averaging in the Adam Jones/Buck Showalter seasons.)

Professional baseball lost its mojo for me and my family. First, it got too expensive. Everything is a rip off. We started going to our minor league team and it was a lot of fun. It was way more family friendly. It was just too far away to make it for every game. But monthly of better was a ball for our family when they were younger. The only time I went to a major league game was a friends business had seats, okay not great seats and we went on their nickel. Parking, food, drinks made it such that when that opportunity came up again, I said no. Now I understand they feel the need to offer huge salary’s to attract players to their team, but my buying parking, a few drinks and some cheesy food at triple or better a normal price just doesn’t work for us. If they want fans, they need to treat their fans like they are valuable and not like some accountants statistic to figure out how to get even more money. It just ain’t popular if it hurts you, and modern baseball main focus seems on how they can hurt their fans even more. Huge new ball parks with super expensive shops looks good on paper to people who get bonus’s in the millions. Not so much for those who earn their money.

@jennycraig99

Ай бұрын

same with pro hockey minor league hockey is great and so is college

When the economy tanks, attendance for most sports does, too. That explains so much.

The obvious solution is to get rid of a lot of teams. Once upon a time, a large number of young men in the US plays the game semi-professionally as well as in schools. The demographics have chased, so the talent pool has dried up. Then there are the mounting costs of attending. The rise of free agency meant that fans felt less and less connection with the players. The homer scandal of the ‘90s and strikes was a body blow. The shriveling of minor league baseball. et al.

@russellgoff6524

Ай бұрын

There are not as many African Americans in the game and it has damaged the quality of play. Too many hot dogs on the field, posturing, signing, crossing, pointing at the sky. Arrogance and attitude in droves. Sloppy play, poor fundamentals, lack of composure, and unprofessionalism. It's a terrible game now. Fans are not going to pay a premium for the poor product. African Americans with talent have moved elsewhere. Look at the NBA. The game is silly now and the refereeing and favoritism always questionable, but the integrity is intact, and it's more popular then ever.

Clocks and analytics have killed the soul of the great old game. It's strictly Zombie Ville out there now.

Hoping the rays get relocated, instead of building a new stadium. And it’s not the stadium’s issues that are keeping people away. They had over 48,000 people there in January for the Royal Rumble

Im a fan who attends a couple of games a year. I know exactly why SF has attendance problems and its-not all about the product on the field.

@99somerville

2 ай бұрын

Not allowed to say it.

@roydixon5202

Ай бұрын

Base ball should be rated EB for Extremely BOARING

A former co-worker of Cuban extraction says that the reason that the Marlins don't draw is that locals there don't want to watch baseball, they want to play baseball. No idea how accurate his opinion is, but it was interesting to hear.

@scotttild

2 ай бұрын

They would rather be at the beach then indoors. That's why the NHL does not work and why the Heat draw so bad even when they are winning.

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

@@scotttild That doesn't explain why the Panthers, when they're doing well, draw near capacity crowds, and the Lightning sell out every game. There has to be something more to it then just "the people don't want to." Clearly when it comes to hockey, they do want to watch. Either the ball parks are bad, the teams are bad or the management is bad, but something's keeping people away from their MLB ballparks and it's not just "they don't like watching baseball." If that's the case, then why are they willing to forgo the beach to watch ICE hockey? Florida and ICE hardly seem like a good mix, yet their NHL teams draw.

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

@@scotttildare you slow? The Panthers literally go over capacity every home game and the Heat have been doing the same since 2010! Before speaking speak facts and do your reach! All Miami teams sell out every home game but the Marlins and that’s simply because historically management been super shitty….

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

@@Seriously_Unserioushe’s idiotic and doesn’t know our market! All our teams draw but the Marlins and it’s just due to horrible management. Marlins have fans inspite of it being a huge transplant area but can’t expect fans to show if your not willing to field a winner

@dltguitar6532

Ай бұрын

Baseball is more fun to play than to watch

Now do Seattles ownership on how stingy they are compared to how much money and attendance they receive annually

@principalmcvicker6530

2 ай бұрын

Yes

In the late 70s, I had read that White Sox home games had the best "Party Atmosphere" in all of MLB. Several of my college friends said that, since the stadium was in such a Bad neighborhood, one did not dare go in a group of fewer than 10 people. Now it makes sense. Fans just brought their parties to the ballpark LOL

The cost is a factor in Australia too. Food prices, parking, ticket prices. Kids today are the fans of tomorrow and families can't afford to go nowadays .

The Rays need to get out of St Pete. Ive been there for a few games and its just a terrible place to go. They need to go to either downtown Tampa or move to Orlando.

@kingmo8789

2 ай бұрын

I say move to the Rays to Tampa. Prime example: The Tampa Bay Lightning. Their started in St. Pete and when moved to Downtown Tampa, they drew great crowds and they're very successful.

@davidfeldman9679

2 ай бұрын

Hillsborough county doesn’t want to pay for a new ballpark

@Seriously_Unserious

2 ай бұрын

@@kingmo8789 Are the Lightning located in Downtown Tampa? I know they're selling out most every game, though albeit they've had some great teams lately, even winning a few Stanley Cups within the last 5 or 6 years, with star players like Stamkos and St Louis to excite a crowd.

@jtp2007

2 ай бұрын

@@Seriously_Unserious yes they are in downtown. There have been rumblings of getting the Rays to Tampa. Tropicana Field is not hard to get to, but when the 2024 Royal Rumble sets the attendance record, well you know your team is kind of in trouble.

So I Guess NEW BALLPARKS Don't Mean High Attendance.....OWNERS ARE THE PROBLEM!

@AntcmbHeat

2 ай бұрын

They been the problem but it’s easy to blame fans as the scapegoat because not the owners not making as much but if you field a team I’m sure all these fans will show

Besides Oakland, the bottom 4 Miami, Tampa, and Phoenix all have tons of non-natives who moved to the area for retirement or work, so loyalty may not be as strong. As a Florida transplant, I can tell you that the area of the stadiums for st Pete and Miami have a lot to do with attendance too. Miami is terrible with the traffic and the surrounding area is suspect.

i haven't watched a full MLB game since the last strike. The umpires contract is up for revue in 2025. Could be another strike. I found other things to do other than baseball.

Who can afford to take a family to a ballgame? Here in the Tampa area people dont care about sports like up north. Plenty of other activities in Florida. Esp. For the money spent.

@gogreen7794

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, because there's nothing else to do in New York City.

@jarvisaddison8560

Ай бұрын

Part of the problem is Fl has so many transplants that have no history or attachment to the area nor family history with the team like up North and out west.

@kellynch

Ай бұрын

I live in the TB area, too. I would say that people here care about college sports more than they care about pro sports. That said, I bought a single ticket to 2 Rays games plus parking and it cost me over $200. That's insane. The Rays do very well on TV and radio and and they do sell merch.

The Guardians name isn't sexy either.

@billschomburg6853

Ай бұрын

I think it was totally asinine to change the name of the Indians to the Guardians. And I'm not even a Cleveland fan.

Pittsburgh has a floor for a D level team is about 1,200,000. When there is something to be excited they do draw. Max possible is just over 2,000,000 and they have hit it. The overall total drag is dead games. Early cold games. Mid week games with a fair team. When all hope is lost with shit on the field. So even with 60 games over 20,000 and 30 game in the 30,000 range the dead games hold the total down. Give Pittsburgh ANYTHING to excite they come. A loved player returns. A loved play traded and comes back on a new team. A stud first games up from the farm. Or WIN.

It will never happen, but the Marlins and Rays should just be shut down, Brewers and Astros should be back in leagues they we’re originally in and just have two divisions in AL and NL. MLB too watered down w talent and dumb ass structure of divisions and playoffs and not worth going any longer. Extremely ignorant and lazy commissioner along w owners. It’s sad as I used to love the game.

@ajc-ff5cm

Ай бұрын

There are quite a few teams that need to be contracted. Oakland, Colorado, Tampa, Miami. I'd also put Seattle and the White Sox on that list too.

When MLB went Woke, there viewership went down 40 percent, as it should, what they did to Atlanta the all-star game was a joke, changing the Cleveland Indians name cost them a 50 percent drop in attendance Oakland is the shit hole of America Mlb did this to themselves, blackout local games is a joke

@gogreen7794

2 ай бұрын

",..went woke....?" Like when Jackie Robinson integrated baseball? If you are put off by a name change, that's sad.

@dennybarlau8065

2 ай бұрын

@@gogreen7794 you actually have no clue

@neanderthalsnavel7411

2 ай бұрын

​@@gogreen7794no. It's not sad it was part of our families' history. Over 100 years. But who cares? Cleveland is dying. The team will move after the Dolan's cash out.

@kurtwicklund8901

24 күн бұрын

Another genius has to paint his personal obsession onto anything public. Woke up dude lol.

@hibbo1351

23 күн бұрын

LOL awwww. ALL TV ratings and overall attendance - up the past two years. Enough with your fake grievance politics. The 'anti-woke' agenda didn't produce any winners, so try again.

After the A's move to Las Vegas, they'll still be ranked in the bottom two in attendance. Don't get too comfortable there.

@Mattology1

2 ай бұрын

They don't care. They still will make money from bets. In Vegas.

I would guarantee that if Pete Rose would be inducted into the hall of fame, the attendance percentage would rise. Put him in and I'll start looking into to attending games again

@williamanderson6006

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure that's holding droves of fans back

@michaelmott8161

Ай бұрын

Great call. The same guy that banned him ruined the future of baseball. It has been downhill ever since! Baseball loves betting now as it is where they are making all the side money they don't have to pay players. Soon, we will see questionsble outcomes based on the wagers in Vegas.

Make the stadium smaller, eliminate the box wedge beyond the bases making a more attractive upper deck, obviously eliminate outfield upper deck. With a 30 or more foot high box, elevated and starting behind the lower deck, the first rows between the bases of the upper deck are already witness level seats, let along the corners of the upper deck.

Going to an A’s game in Oakland feels as safe as watching a Marines vs. Army softball game in Fallujah.

@oiler62

2 ай бұрын

Have you seen A's games in Oakland? I have seen over 1000 games in 53 years and have had no issues and have never felt unsafe.

@RoloTomassiVideos

2 ай бұрын

I was referring to what you experience on your way there and leaving. So why do SO many more people attend Giants games than A’s games?

The Trop is just a terrible stadium, I live in Florida and took a 3 hour trip to catch a game at the Trop. Jesus that place feels like you can’t breathe because the lack of natural air flow. I will never go back to that stadium

@joshuasmith4931

2 ай бұрын

As someone who grew up watching games in the concrete mausoleum that was the Kingdome, seeing a game in the Trop was a welcome breath of (literally) fresh air in terms of domed stadium baseball.

The biggest factor is lack of a salary cap in MLB. Pittsburgh and Kansas City draw good crowds when they have good teams. Contrast the Royals with the Chiefs. They Chiefs have a lot of support because they are able to field competitive teams due to the NFL salary cap. The big market teams have no advantage in other sports. Only baseball.

@nathanwilliams5290

Ай бұрын

Certainly part of it . The problem with the cap in football though is the volume of movement which undermines the fans attachment to the team . Not sure how to fix that but would definitely rather see a more even playing field.

@azbdizzy4176

Ай бұрын

@@nathanwilliams5290 Short NFL careers are largely due to the nature of the sport.

Major League Baseball attendance is altogether struggling in Florida.

cleveland INDIANS....this is why I still stay home.

@itinerantpatriot1196

2 ай бұрын

They'll always be the Indians to me, and I'm a Tiger fan. Getting Tom Hanks to try and sell that hideous name change was just more proof it was a sucky idea.

@JR-mc1rn

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I believe the name change alienated many fans…terrible mistake…

@jedclampett7705

2 ай бұрын

Long live Wild Thing and yeah, that’s an INDIANS uniform he wore. Guardians? 🙄😡

@jamesbowen8960

2 ай бұрын

Amen and Amen!

@gregb6469

2 ай бұрын

CHIEF WAHOO FOREVER!

Official attendance #s are always greatly exaggerated

@mouchiecat1

2 ай бұрын

So true!!

@99somerville

2 ай бұрын

You don’t think the A’s really drew 14K for opening day? You could count how many people were in the stands. I doubt they even sold those 14K tickets.

@neanderthalsnavel7411

2 ай бұрын

Cleveland baseball team offers a monthly pass. You pay once and are able to get in every game that month for SRO and get to the ballpark bars. Are they counting the sold ticket once for attendance or every time scanned in. If the latter and the person goes to 15 games a month, the team is making $5-6 a game. The gate receipts would be the real measure. Cleveland would look a lot worse.

@99somerville

2 ай бұрын

@@neanderthalsnavel7411 The monthly pass sounds interesting .$49. Do they limit where you can go inside the park? Can you grab a seat at some point?

@99somerville

2 ай бұрын

Pro sports changed attendance from the actual turnstile count to tickers sold years ago. Tickets sold greatly inflates their numbers versus turnstile.

The Diamondbacks play in a ballpark designed more for revenue than for seeing the game in person. I bought a season ticket first year a few rows up from first base, but to squeeze in more seats they made them face the outfield. Keeping my neck cranked full left with all the shoulder room removed from the row of seats didn't warrant a re-buy. Haven't bothered with a game there since the Yankee World Series.

What no one wants to admit about Cleveland is that the name change chased off a lot of die hard Indians fans! I am an Indians fan from the time I was 4 years old back in the early 1970’s. I will NEVER be a Guardians fan!

@neanderthalsnavel7411

2 ай бұрын

Same!!!! Lots of good times at Indians games. They are dead to me now. And the media REFUSES to talk about us! The best part is my children are Browns fans now only. Not Cleveland baseball fans. The Dolan's & MLB lost our family's old fans who died during COVID, the current stewards, AND GENZ. Millennials are taking their kids tho. Move the team out of here so we can stop being bludgeoned by the constant propaganda.

@jeffthewhiff

Ай бұрын

I can believe that changing the Cleveland ball club name to "Guardians" did discourage a lot of Indians' fans from continuing to support the team. I still can't figure out why the name "Indians" is so offensive.

@ajc-ff5cm

Ай бұрын

I feel bad for yall. I'm not a fan of Cleveland baseball, but after what they did to suck up to the whiners, I won't watch games of my own team if they're playing Cleveland. I won't call them whatever they're called either.

@spotifyseascapessmoothjazz

Ай бұрын

Guardians is such a cheesy name for a baseball team. My condolences to Indians fans.

@smokesletsgo2374

Ай бұрын

Spiders would have been cool, bring back the old timey name

What is crazy is that the A's actually used to be a top five team for attendance year after year from 1988 to 1993. Then the Haas Family sold the team, and they built Mount Davis. Before that, the Coliseum was a nice place to watch a game.

You guys, and MLB doesn't get it. Until MLB does something, whether a salary cap or something to allow smaller market teams to be CONSISTENTLY competitive nothing is going to change. Everyone knows that the Yankees, the Red Sox or the Dodgers are going to win the series before spring training starts. Until they address that, which they won't, nothing is going to change.

@Steve8105

2 ай бұрын

MLB desperately needs a salary cap. Yankees, dodgers just buy their teams. It’s pathetic. They don’t care about the luxury tax cause they are such huge markets.

I liked your video concerning bad Attendance problems with MLB. You were right on point.

I had this thoughts watching a regular game and look that up on KZread! So I appreciate you having my thought be already thought about before and you made a video!! 🫡 salute to you and if you see this mavs in 6 and Dallas mavericks and Dallas stars are winning the chips this year! Dallas will have 3 major sports championships in 8 months 💪🏽🙌🏽💯

As a baseball fan it hurts to see history rich franchises such as the Bucs, As and Royals disrespected this way. Btw - go Mariners!

Your comment about the D-Backs attendance due to almost not making the playoffs is spot on and proof of the ridiculousness of the MLB playoff system. Marginal teams can get hot at the right time and ruin the season of more deserving, better teams. It has become similar to the NHL, who hands out points like candy at Halloween.

@michaeldouglass8592

Ай бұрын

And yet they hit 1.9 million in a mid-market city. While I'm not a fan of the expanded [and expanded AND expanded] playoff system foe Baseball, they did make it in with a hot September and rode that all the way to the WS. Don't blame them for playing well in the fall. And when it IS the playoff ... there is not an empty seat to be seen in Chase ... or the BOB as it was called when I lived there.

My issue with Chase Field is that retractable roof. I do not like watching baseball indoors, I only want to go when the roof is open but there's no way to know, they never announce when it's open so I just have to guess and every time it was closed so I stopped going. I believe last I heard, the roof was broken so it was permanently closed so I haven't gone in a while.

@oksotheresthat6185

2 ай бұрын

Nobody is going to go to a game with the roof open when it is 115 outside. Dbacks will always need a retractable roof.

@toddferguson6369

Ай бұрын

💯 There was no rhyme and reason to when they opened it. Closed it is a depressing warehouse with weird neon green grass

Help me to understand this issue. The Dodgers have a 63-year-old stadium. It took me 2 1/2 hrs to get to the game last night due to heavy traffic. The game was a sellout, announced 52, 727, Wed night. I don't understand these other. teams issues.

What percentage of a team's revenues come from attendance vs television revenues ?

Would it be possible to renovate Loan Depot Park in to a stadium for the University of Miami?

@Alucard-rx5zw

Ай бұрын

You have a stadium deal with it.

How to kill America’s pastime: 1. Overpay players 2. Necessarily overcharge fans 3. Juice the baseball 4. Obliterate historical achievements 5. Tear down historical ballparks 6. Fake history with new stadia 7. Change 125 yr old rules 8. Obliterate more historical achievements. 9. Encourage thuggish lack of sportsmanship 10. Sit back and watch the cash roll out.

@johnschuh8616

2 ай бұрын

Ted Williams never got more than $125,000. Even allowing for inflation, we see players who would never have reached the majors in the ‘50s getting paid far more. Plus I find today.s baseball a much less interesting game.

The ironic thing is the Tampa Bay Lightning have no problems drawing for the NHL. Drawing for hockey in Florida over baseball is insane, but it probably helps that the Lightning last season were coming off a bit of a dynasty with multiple Stanley Cups and Cup appearances recently, which may be drawing attendance away from the Rays if the Rays are struggling a bit lately. The Lightning have been drawing steadily 19092, which I assume is their maximum capacity. The Florida Panthers have been up and down in their attendance historically, but they're up lately. Ironic how the Sunshine State is drawing better for ICE hockey then for summer sports. Maybe it's the novelty of a sport played on ice along the shores of the Caribbean and Gulf coast or their hockey franchises have just put together consistently better teams or something?

@davidlafleche1142

2 ай бұрын

Why is it that hockey fans never complained about The Trop, but baseball fans always do?

The Royals are basically a AAAA minor league team. They won the World Series in 2015 and within three years almost all the players had better jobs. Lived here my whole life. You can’t connect with a team that you don’t know any players, they don’t win, and once in a while they get a good player they end up going to a bigger market. The stadium downtown is basically a public works project for insiders to skim off now that the airport is done. Nobody wants the new stadium and the team leaving would be an emotional blow to the city but not many would miss them. The city will be spending a bunch of money they don’t have.

A lot of attendance issues are expense related. MLB has lost the market of people who can barely afford their product. It’s just too expensive for average fans to go to the games.

Thats what happens when Baseball goes Woke...eff them!!

@gogreen7794

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, "woke" like when Jackie Robinson integrated baseball in 1947. Hello. It's well into the 21st Century, but maybe you'd be happier in the 19th.

@theamaranthineman574

Ай бұрын

@@gogreen7794 At least the sport wasn't dying back then...

@gogreen7794

Ай бұрын

@theamaranthineman574 Are you implying that because the game was first integrated in 1947, it's now dying? Or are you so sensitive that name changes upset you? Over the decades, teams have changed names, cities, stadiums, uniform colors and designs, and players, coaches, owners, come and go. So what?

The city of Kansas City, Missouri did not approve a sales tax that would have provided funds for a new stadium for the Royals (and a renovation of the Chiefs stadium). The city of Kansas City, Kansas is offering significant incentives (land, tax breaks etc) to have the Royals move there.

White Sox are located on the south side of Chicago. Parking fees are obscene. Safety at night is a concern. Product has sucked these last couple of years. Stadium is oddly constructed, you don’t feel like part of the game.

@davidborkovec3516

Ай бұрын

Sox park is a fun place to watch a game. The fans know baseball and have some character. Current locale has great parking. Owner is cheap. I cheered against Jordan Bulls because Jerry shortchanged the Sox. If you wish to gossip and tell each other how cute your ensemble is, go to the North Side. Depressed Ginger has great topics but poorly articulated arguments.

@Schush

Ай бұрын

That area has definitely imrpoved the last 20 years years. My issue is the stadium sucks. They shouldv'e just put massive renovation $'s into old Comiskey.

I have an idea! Keep the A’s in Oakland and move the Rays to Vegas! No love loss.

Miami is a failure because ownership is profiteering from stadium subsidies and revenue sharing. Miami is booming, lots of growth and an emerging new tech and investment hub, and the stadium though not top 5, is definitely modern and above average. Miami is a baseball hotbed, look at the University of Miami and the pool of players that hail from South Florida, but what should be a crown jewel at the doorstep of baseball crazy Latin America is a moribund welfare recipient of a franchise with no ambition beyond turning a profit via cost cutting and a lack of investment in player development.

I used to go to a lot of A's games. I would buy 4 tickets to various games at the start of the season at the A's outlet at the shopping mall. I would buy Royals, Red Sox, Yankees, games I wanted to see and take family and friends. Then they all went to "variable pricing" meaning they could gouge you for popular games. Then prices for tickets shot up and so did concessions. It's not worth it. Especially when billionaire owners are always asking bankrupt cities and overtaxed residents to ante up for new stadiums and urban renewal. Last time I went to KC and rented a car the local tax at KCI was more than the car rental. Reason given was "local sports taxes". They killed the game. A's getting stadium improvements and upgraded BART connection and then Raiders and A's skipping town and leaving taxpayers in the lurch is typical of the owners greed.

5:33 the Rays were not in first place the entirety of the season. The Orioles took over 1st place in mid summer and finished in 1st.

I used to go watch the Jays at exhibition stadium, it was awesome!! Playing the Tigers in the playoffs, people climbing the foul pole, fighting, drunk as a sailor, then they built the Skydome. It is huge, unfriendly and there is no nothing that the average person wants or can afford. They outpriced the game, it's not even fun anymore