Sorry German cartridge lovers. My brain and mouth confused the 7.9x57 (8mm Mauser) and 9.3x57 Mauser and 9.3x62mm.

@zebacake4683

Жыл бұрын

i was assuming thats what happened. i also believe the cartridge you were trying to think of that many people rechambered to was the 8mm-06

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

@@zebacake4683 Yes indeed, that's the one. When you start trying to remember all those German cartridge numbers... Something to be said for American-style naming like 220 Swift and 6.5 Creedmoor and 360 Buckhammer. Something to remember!

@zebacake4683

Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast couldn't agree more.

@claudiocuomo2209

Жыл бұрын

In Germany the 8x57IS ist as common for us as for You the 30/06. It ist a strong an powefull, but also very precise cartrige. We came far with this bulllet in WW2. 😬 Honestly.... It ist a great hunting bullet. But to be cost efficiant i shoot a 308........

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@claudiocuomo2209 Yes, the 8x57 is a fine cartridge.

That’s one beautiful dog there, Mr Spomer!

Back in the 1970' my aunt gave me an 8x57 Mauser I later converted to 8mm/06 and sporterized it. everthing I shot with it dropped like a rock using 200 gr Nosler partitions. The trigger was a nightmare and after replacing it wih a Timney trigger It was Awesome.

I think I speak for many here when I say I'd like a Ron Spomer book on reloading

@tim7052

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! 👍

@tadpetrie3464

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Not only reloading, but I would like to read about Ron's hunting experiences and about his life in general. I have learned so much just from watching this podcast. I am looking at getting back into handloading.

LOL at 1:30 Covey is sitting so patiently and looking into the camera. So funny....BTW Ron, great dog voice, perfectly done.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

Launching my new career as dog voice over for cartoons. Thanks Ireland.

Beautiful dog Ron! There ain't nothing like hunting WITH A DOG! Just makes hunting more enjoyable, especially with a solid dog. What a companion!

I like this episode. I bought a 9.3x62 haven't got to take it to the range yet. Pretty cool rifle. Your pet is beautiful best friend ever.

Super to have more of Covey❤❤❤Thanks Ron😮!!!

30:48 actually it´s the 8x57 IS where it is a 7,92 mm x 57mm (diameter x lenght w/o the bullet) and the I stands for Infantrie and the S for spitz (pointed). The 9,3x 62 is a real 9,3mm x 62 mm ;) cheers

@michaelhennegan9637

Жыл бұрын

Mbtfp knows what he is talking about. Also, the 7,9 x 57 is really the grand dad of all cartridges with a .473 case head. 30/06, .243, .270, .308, etc. the Mauser was the first cartridge with this diameter case head, therefore, anything that followed was just a wildcat of the original 7.92 (8mm) Mauser. 37:13

I lucked into a very fine WWII 8 x 57 totally sporterized it. I got so much guff about how ineffective a round it was for hunting, it was a real dud according to many. I eventually sold it to a neighbor who took mule deer, bear and elk with it. This particular rifle was very accurate with a Norma 196gr hollow point.

Thank you Ron for another informative and entertaining video. And what a lovely guest you had on.

I am a retired USAF CATM and I like the 8x57 a lot!!!!

@nighthunter5760

7 ай бұрын

Me too. 8x57 great caliber.

Nor surprisingly, Covey is opposed to grouse hunting without a dog. She had no comments on the 6mm XC, 22-250 Rem., or 9.3x62mm.

@adamr9215

Жыл бұрын

For me, it depends a lot on the individual dog. I’ve never hunted grouse, but I have hunted duck, quail and dove with and without dogs. A friend of mine had a Brittany Spaniel that was professionally trained, but he was worthless in the field. He was worthless everywhere, wouldn’t house train and wouldn’t listen at all. I have brought a mutt and a pit bull of my own dove hunting and both worked very well, finding birds I wouldn’t have been able to find without them. Another friend has self trained labs that are excellent duck dogs, but I have dealt with a couple that would get too excited when the ducks started coming in and ran out barking and chased them off before we could shoot. For me, unless I personally know the dog, I don’t risk the hunt with them. Just like needing to know and trust your firearm, knowing the dog is just as important.

@adamr9215

Жыл бұрын

I do agree with you on starting new shooters with a 22 rimfire. A friend tried to start his step son on a 30-06, and he hated shooting and hunting, and couldn’t hit anything. So, I brought a 10/22 to the range and had him eating out the center of the bullseye at 50 yards in just a few hours. The next trip to the range, I brought a few rifles for him to work with, and worked his way up. Once he saw that he could shoot further, he really started liking it. By the end of that day, he was bagging me to bring my far more powerful stuff the next time. Now, he has no fear of the “little” 30-06, and wants to shoot the most powerful stuff he can get his hands on, and he is an excellent shot. I’m a firm believer that new shooters should start with a rimfire and work their way up, even if it’s a single day at the range. Get them hooked on something that doesn’t intimidate them, then move up as they are comfortable.

@allannantes8583

Жыл бұрын

She had no comments on those rifle rounds because she only understands shotguns used on feathered things.

@allannantes8583

Жыл бұрын

She is one beautiful dog.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@allannantes8583 She doesn't even understand shotshell ballistics. Just knows that when it goes boom, she's got a bird to retrieve. Most of the time!

Boy, I love your dog. Hunting with dogs is much more common on our side of the big pond and I love watching them do their part. After the shot, too

Covey is spot on. Or, on point! No pun intended Ron.

As I recall, the 9.3x57 is an 8x57 necked up to 0.366 diameter. My original understanding was that it was intended to be used by the German colonists in Africa, but I've been told it's more widely used in the Scandinavian countries. The 9.3x62 was definitely intended for the German colonists in Africa so they could have a good medium bore. I believe that the 375 H&H was developed specifically to compete against the 9.3x62. Can't swear to that, but I think that's the case.

The 9.3x57 was introduced in 1900 before ww1. It's more of a Scandinavian cartridge than German one. It's power is more akin to a .358 Winchester. He's spot on about the 8x57 Mauser. It does get confusing.

Pyramid Air is a great company that carries everything you need for airguns. Everything from .177 to larger than .54, air powered shotguns for bird hunting, and even shooting bolts for big game. They also sell various types of pumps to charge the air cylinders. Great video as always and love that dog.

Parker should check out the Browning BLR and Henry Long Ranger - lever-action rifles that feed from detachable box magazines and are chambered in cartridges otherwise found in bolt-action rifles, like .243 Winchester, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08 Remington, and so on.

I think I’m jealous of your friend. Cool dog.

Everytime I pull up at my buddy's house , black lab always brings me a stick to throw. I always play with her. Everyone else won't throw or play with her. I was thinking man, she would make a good duck dog. Or even a tracking dog. She's so smart. I thought her how to sit stay, with n ,5 minutes. Great vids.

@IHWKR

Жыл бұрын

People get dogs and treat them as accessories instead of a living being that needs attention and compassion. People make fun of me or think I got some sexual dog thing because I'm affectionate with them. It's really sad that people think that way.

The 8x57mm Mauser is an excellent all around hunting cartridge. From coyotes to prong horn on up to black bear elk and moose. When loaded to european military standards ofcourse.

Dogs are so awesome and loving and loyal. One of my favorite Ron spomer videos 👍 right from the start

@jangchief

Жыл бұрын

Good doggy. I agree. We love this show but we're just not into long format

Ron, I always enjoy these podcasts. The longer the better for me 🤣. It is very refreshing to hear somebody speak about how a shotgun "fits". More so than any firearm. I am of the opinion that shotguns fitment is so very critical. I became so much better at hitting my target from the day that I picked up a shotgun that the sales guy helped me get to fit. It was night and day. I know it seems obvious but heck I didn't know😧. Thank you for your very informative and entertaining podcast!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yes, shotgun fit is critical because we don't aim them. They must fit to be pointing where we are looking.

The hornady 4dof ballistics calculator is a good one, it’s based on actual data collection from Doppler radar so the formulas can be corrected to match your firearms performance.

The 9.3 x57 is a completely different cartridge from the 8 x57 a fantastic cartridge the 9.3x57 is a dandy.the rifle is a Husqvarna model 46.the cartridge is very capable but the rifle is sooooo handable slow down

@Finnbearl61r

Жыл бұрын

Ballistacally 9.3x57 factory loads (low CIP pressure) are equal to 358 Winchester. I use a 358win but would take a 9.3x57 anytime! It’s a sweet spot heavy and big enough diameter bullets but still slow enough to be nice to shoot and not to ruin to much meat..

@dinoquintana4319

Жыл бұрын

The 9.3x57 was knicknamed the potato lobber due to the 286 gr at a little over 2000 fps and used it a their moose cartridge.with nosler 250 grain accubonds at 2350fps this round is capable of 250yds easily. Modern powders like varget blc-2 w748 h4895 reloaded 15 turn this round far superior to the win 358.the Husqvarna model 46 is a dream to handle and shoot.i have a couple of very nice custom rifles and a number of factory rifles including a win model 54 that are known for their handling. The Husqvarna is better.they sell them cheap 3 to 5 hundred dollars a real steal for what you get

@Finnbearl61r

Жыл бұрын

@@dinoquintana4319 👍🏻 I do agree. As I said it campares to the 358 Win only in factory ammo in f the 9,3x57. When reloaded and to common 400 MPa pressures the 9,3x57 is much more capable which is expected with more case volume and a COAL of 82mm compared to the 71mm for the 358win. That’s also the beauty of the 358win. It’s not the most capable round but it fits in short actions like Sako L579. The load I use is handloaded 250grs Norma Oryx @ 2280fps from a 540mm barrel. Handloaded the 9,3x57 compares much more to the 35 Whelen with 275gr Woodleighs @ 2350 fps.

@dinoquintana4319

Жыл бұрын

I've never hot dogged the 9.3x57 the Husqvarna 46 are built on the 96 Mauser. So I stopped long before any pressure signs developed.the 358 win is a fine cartridge.i wish I had one on the model 7 Remington with a 21 in barrel.that would qualify as near perfect in my book.open sights for me

Such a wholesome video! Thank you! 🏆

Beautiful doggo!

Covey sure is a beautiful dog!

In the 70’s I lived in one of the top bird places in the US and hunted birds with my Springer and you are spot on! You will see more and get more birds with a dog! The only thing I loved more then my Browning over and unders was my springer.

Nice dog your best buddy I can tell your hers too. Big fan of the 9.3x62 myself.

I agree with covey. Hunting without a dog just plain sucks.

Great video! Federal has a great tool for comparing ballistics of cartridges on their site

Shot my first sharpie in west Nebraska last fall on public land last fall--basically just stumbled on it. I've been seeing them more in my neighborhood the past few years. It only took that one incidental sharp tail to make me a grouse hunter proper. Might have to drive up by Valentine one of these days. Thanks for the great video, Ron!

One of my favorite caliber the 8x57. Perfect for all big game in Norway. use it a lot for wild boar hunting in Sweden. The gun is a Blaser R8. Perfect match. Have also guns in caliber 7x64, 9,3x64, 6,5 Creedmoor, 338 LM, 222 rem, 243 win. The overall winner for hunting for me is the 8x57.

Covey is a rockstar of a pupper Ron 👍👍👍

Its lots of fun watching bird bogs work . If you back up a little after getting on target you will center on the scope. American 8mm - .323 ammo is downloaded to be possible to shoot in .318 bore guns. Seller & Bellot ammo is near Euro loads .

Remington Versa Max is the model you had in mind.

Love my 1100 12 gauge, just picked up an 1100 new in the box, in 410, it's adult size not a child's version.

Ron, you're thinking of the 8mm-06 wildcat. I had a pre WWII Krupp Essen barreled 98 that had a half round/half octagonal bbl. Express sights, folding tang rear sight above the wrist and double set triggers. Sweet rifle that was rechambered once brought back from WWII.

8mm = .323 - 9.3 = .366

Hi Ron I’ve been shooting a old browning A5 that I got when I was 12 I’m 40 now and have never had 1 issue. I have many gas auto shot guns for pheasants,quail,& grouse and in my opinion non of them really shoot as smoothly as the old A5

I hunted sharp tails in ND, I recommend Grassy Butte area, the season opens a few weeks before pheasant hunting, and that is the best time to go after them before everyone goes after pheasants

9.3x57 essentially is a .366 9.3mm Bullet on the 8x57 base case. My wife as a custom built Banner Mauser 98 in this Scandavian based cartridge.i have a custom Banner Mauser 98 in in the more powerful 9.3x62. Norma still loads 9.3x57 in 232 and 286 grain factory ammunition. In today's Norma 9.3x57 it is loaded about like the origional 9.3x62 which has had its velocity increased since its introduction (9.3x62) by Otto Bock in 1905 (German Gunsmith). The 9.3x62 was introduced to give African colonists a general purpose rifle superior to the military rounds then in vogue needing more power. Actually the 9.3x62 was the most popular medium bore in all areas of Africa to include dangerous game. The .375 H&H finally surpassed it in popularity in the 1950s when the .375 H&H was avaliable in standard factory production rifles like the Model 70 Winchester.

I haven't had much opportunity to encounter the different chamerings offered in the 98k. I had to find out more about the 9.3. Always willing to learn.😊

I've owned 9.3mm Mauser rifles. My take? The 9.3x62 is a poor man's .375mag. The 9.3mmX57 is a beautifully balanced cartridge that replaces the 3006, the 8x57 and the 35 Whelen in your gun cabinet. My favorite amongst the Swedes.

I bought a 9.3x62 rechambered from a Savage mod 111 originally a 30-06. In the thick brush of N. Idaho it drops elk in their tracks using 250gr Barnes TTSX. I mostly hunt public ground and it eliminates critters running off to private land.

8mm mauser, and, 9.3x62, are my 2 favorite calibers. Have them both, in husqvarna rifles, handload each of them, prefer norma oryx ammo, for serious hunting. Rifles are circa 1948, btw, bought many years ago, from tradex, in canada.

cavedweller 1959 has some good grouse hunting vids

good group.

I believe you were thinking of the 7.92x57mm cartridge when responding to Bjorns question- from my memory the 9.3x57mm is a wildcat, more similar to our own 358 Winchester or 35 whelen. (I see you have already corrected yourself in the comments)

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that was the one. Another designation for the German 8mm Mauser which, by the way, wasn't even created by Paul Mauser.

Oh I left out that he also glass bed the whole barrel, the full length of that man liquor stock and the action

Ron, love your videos and your sweet and beautiful dog! Would you tells us about how the 307 compares to Marlins lever 308, and the Remington 35 to Winchesters 356?. Thanks, Mac

It's straight you keep it up

Your explanation of what parallax is using your fingers is also a good way to determine what your dominant eye is. And a real good reason why everyone should shoot using their dominant eye regardless of what your dominant hand is. Your dominant eye should always dictate whether your a left or right hand shooter. I almost wish they would classify guns as right eyed or left eyed. I think too many people shoot a gun right handed (eyed) because they’re right handed people. I think the split between left and right eye dominance is much more even in terms of percentages than right and left hand (hand). I also think the gun Mfg. should realize this but that’s another subject. And yes I’m a lefty when it comes to shooting only.😉(I wish I could make the emoji wink the other eye).

I have an a 25 cal. Air gun. With the tank on the gun full at 4500 psi. I can get around 70 shots of regulated air before I need to top off the tank for anther 70 shots. The regulated shot is around 960 feet pre sec across the crono.

My brother has a BAR 2 safari in 7 rem mag. Has about 1/2 the felt recoil of my Model 70

I’ve had deer in farm country react to people on foot but not people in machines. Like a Kawasaki mile, tractor, etc. I think they’re used to the farmers.

Hey Ron love your videos !! , just for fun can you name some of your favourite animals to hunt ? Weather it’s a very challenging animal or just plain fun to have a lot of action in an afternoon , far away destinations or in your back yard . Love to hear your thoughts , keep up the never ending informational videos we love you in Canada !!

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

I love to hunt all upland birds, especially sharptailed grouse, sage grouse, quail, pheasants. Love to call coyotes. Love to stalk pronghorn and still hunt whitetails. Always love bugling elk, but really love hunting moose in the mountains, not so much the swamps. Used to love Dall sheep hunting most of all, but since the mountains have risen higher and gravity has intensified, that's getting to feel like work. Truly it's not the animal so much as the setting that makes a hunt. Wild and free is the game for me.

Cool Ron , yes i see where the confusion could be 👍 But i think you are the perfect person to educate our western fellow members, the × 57 cartridge is a hidden jewell that many of us are not taking the real advamtage that this case offers to us us hunters First of all lets refresh in our minds what hunting is.... Is the art and previladge of us as hunters and outdoors enthuciasts of sharring and enjoing the land along with the game that we persuit. That being said a hunter is who respects the game he is going after and stics to the range of what his cartridge it was meet to perform flawlesly at( 400 to 500 yards with magnums depending on caliber and Ft/ Lbs ) "On the field this distances are mutch bigger than at a shooting range) if you know what i mean ? " All shooters seen to confuse shooting at paper and shooting at humans with shooting at game ! At game please keep your 308 win. and the golden 6.5 Creed to a max range of 400 yds for medium game and 250 to 300 yds on elk size game. " HUMANs 1000 yds + ok " Now what the x57 cartrige offers is we can set longer high BC bullets much further out and still make them fit on a standar long action rifle. Also they get a advantage with the AI conversion. As we all understand and love out 30-06 the x57 cartridge can be more forgiving on smaller frame people. A 7×57 and 9.3 x 57 can due any game in the world. Thank you for taking your time on reading this.

Hi Ron, I love your channel, but 8x57 and 9,3x57 are quite different. One is a 322, the other one a 366. The later you don't see much over here in Europe any more. Just in very old guns with limited ammo supply and uses. Give me a mail for European cartridges 😊

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

Thanks FK. Sorry I mixed up my numbers. Just too many 7, 8, 9 and 10 point 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 60, 62, 74mm combinations in those Euro cartridges for me to keep straight!

@Finnbearl61r

Жыл бұрын

9.3x57 once quite common in Scandinavia for moose hunting. Also called the “potato thrower” in Sweden due to the relatively bad trajectory with the traditional 18,5g (285gr) bullets @ 630m/s or 2060fps. It’s a fine Moose round for the hunting in here in 🇫🇮🇸🇪 🇳🇴 hunting with dogs and where the average shot distance is

Ive hunted with a 8mm Mauser and killed several deer over the years with it in kentucky . I didnt have much money , needed a rifle a bought a old turkish mauser . I have heard people complaining that American 8mm ammo is weak , not hot enough . They dont like it . I havent found a problem with it . I just like to say I the 8mm and now days its not hard to find ammo for it .

Always love your content, correction: the 8 x 57 Mauser and 9.3 x 57 Mauser are different cartridges. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9.3%C3%9757mm_Mauser

C'mon dad! That hand isn't doing anything! Might as well be scratching my ears! 😉

@RonSpomerOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

You read her mind perfectly.

hey Ron... I just wanted to say you have an awesome podcast, very informative and the videos are great! i am 49 years old and i had a full stroke at 27. i still love hunting, fishing, camping and riding atv's i just have to rig everything up so it fits to my disability. i live in southern michigan and the only rifles we can use are straight walled cartridges unless i go up north to our cabin. i use the ruger 96/44 lever action down here and my mossberg 30-30 up north. i was just wondering how much is there a difference between the .44 magnum vs 44-40 and if they even make the 44-40 anymore? could you explain a little bit about the 44-40 and what kind of gun shot this particular cartridge? thank you keep up the amazing videos!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

They still make the 44-40. It is pretty weak, spitting a 200-gr. bullet about 1,200 fps for 630 f-p muzzle energy. Adequate for whitetails to about 100 yards. Shoots through with minimal or no mushrooming. In a rifle the 44 Rem Mag should throw a 240-gr. 1,500 to 1,700 fps for 1,200 to 1,500 f-p energy. The 44-40 was our first centerfire cartridge released with and for the Winchester Model 1873 lever-action.

Speaking of airguns there is a KZreadr up north are Gunner that took a world-record 1250 yard shot if I'm not mistaken with either a 45 or 50 caliber airforce Texan pcp air rifle.

Some of the most interesting hunting i've had, was with an air rifle, just a cheapie. Hunting cobra in the philippines, or, squirrel, in my backyard, in manitoba.

Great to watch !”At the end of the day 7mm Mauser is grandma to 8by 57 9.3 by 57 and 30/06 and it’s cousins all great choices

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Righto Dale, except the 8x57 Mauser appeared before the 7x57 Mauser. German military created it in 1988. Peter Mauser made his 7x57 in 1892. Cheers.

@carblingautomotive

Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Gewehr 98 first riffle ever chambered in 7.92 in 1898 7mm was 1892 that makes 7mm grandma to em all . Not that it matters love your work

@ciro79

10 ай бұрын

​​​@@carblingautomotiveGerman 8x57I patrone 88 round is developed in 1888 .It is first modern spitzer catridge after french 8mm lebel.8x57 is actualy first modern rifle bullet and 30-06 ,7x57,270win.......etc got same case diameter like 8x57.

Would maintaining both your eyes open while shooting a scoped rifle (kinda like a shotgun) make a difference in your accuracy? I find that it does help me aquire faster and maintains my accuracy in paper, but do not know in game!

After WWI when the treaty of Versailles limited german shooters to non-military calibers, it was the 8x60s that was created (not 8x62). Currently a caliber I am playing with in a Brno Model 21. Just a small powder increase over the 8x57, about halfway between that and the 8mm-06 - which is functionally more or less the same as .30-06.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the history!

Federal has a phone app that will give ballistics data with basic input. It’s pretty neat.

In German the military term for infantry is Jaeger so it was the J. The 9.3x57 Was developed in Scandinavia for the European moose. it is slightly larger than the 9x57 Mauser, but on the same case. It is .366 caliber and moves a 286 grain bullet at about 2,000 FPS. Developed in the 1890s it was nicknamed the "potato chucker".

German 7.92 or .323 is a helluva round, though I prefer that older Swedish 9.3 by 76 or 78?. I don't have a rifle chambered in it, but I'd love to get ahold of either a European Pull Bolt chambered in it, or a European model of that version of the Browning BAR that Remington makes.

Ron would think that the new Remington 360 straight wall compare to the 307 ?

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

The 307 should shoot faster and flatter. It'll throw a 180-gr. bullet about 100 fps faster and because it's narrower, it will be more aerodynamically efficient, have higher B.C. As for terminal performance, deer won't detect difference.

Covey!!!

Air rifles are cool! If you can find time I would watch your vid.

I think you were referring to the Remington Versa Max shotgun.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Versa Max is the one! Thanks.

@gsnicholas8522

Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors you're welcome

We nissed the boat on thos cartridge its that good

Your buddy is plain bored. Keep him for the intro and let him wander🤣. When they start Yawning, they don't like it anymore. Keep up your great work

@krehnah7541

Жыл бұрын

She.

Dady of all modern midle range power catridge is 8x57 german patrone 88 developed in 1888.....270 win and 30-06 got same case diameter.That is first modern rifle spitzer bullet.

9.3 x 62 is 9.3 mm and it's a dangerous game cartridge and beyond the 30-06 considerably.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it throws a .366" diameter bullet, but not really a dangerous game round. That, it's generally accepted, starts with the 375 H&H which shoots a .375-gr. bullet and considered minimum for buffalo. That said, the German 9.3x62 has been used successfully on buffalo many, many times and has been grandfathered in for legal use in many countries.

9.3x57mm post war hunting round. 9.3x62mm similar to 35 Whelen. JS = Jacketed Spire point or Jeger Spitzer = Rifle Spire Point. I thought but I'll have to check.

@adamkadir3803

Жыл бұрын

The suffix to 8x57 is Infantry-Spitzer, but in German. Still IS. The 'J' just came from people being unable to read the cursive German 'I'.

The neat thing about the .307 is that it’s in that family of cartridges where they took a rimmed cartridge and made a rimless cartridge or vice versa. They took the .30-30 and made the .30 Remington by removing the rim for the Remington model 8. They took the .308 and made the .307 out of it to go the other way. They took the .350 legend and turned it into the .360 buckhammer for a lever gun. The .30 Remington failed, the .307 failed also ( and by failed I mean commercially) I’m afraid the .360 buckhammer will also fail commercially.

If you want to get your shotguns to shoot well, then get them fit. Both of my daughters shot trap for my local sportmens association on their youth trap team. They were having problems scoring , until we had the guns fit. Find a good gunsmith to have it done. Preferably someone who does alot of work for trap and skeet shooters. If somebody from your sportsmens club hasn't had it done and can't recommend anybody, then you could check with your state trap or skeet association. If you want to check a few out and you have time to do it, then go to your state trap or skeet competition (usually is in the summer July- August) and there is usually 2 or more reputable gunsmiths or stockmakers that show up at the state competitions. Also a good place to find a replacement stock.

I like the 8×68 mm s.

The Henry long ranger might suit the canadian viewer, you can load .243 308 7mm08 in it its magazine loaded levergun.

Hey from Mississippi. I recently got a tradition firearm’s break action rifle chamberd in 35 Whelen and was wondering if you knew anything about the tradition firearms company? Before I got this rifle I had never heard of them. Also, what are your thoughts on the 35 Whelen for whitetail?

@danielrobey1759

Жыл бұрын

Awesome round! It’s trajectory is similar to a 308 win shooting 150 gr bullets and it hits like a hammer! Excellent choice! The 180 grain Speer bullet is perfect for deer, you can use heavier bullets but you really don’t need anything heavier than 200 grain for deer. Staying with the lighter bullets gives flatter trajectories and faster kills as the heavier bullets are suitable for elk and moose so they don’t open up as quickly. I use the 180 gr speers loaded over accurate 2230 in Iowa and love it!

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Жыл бұрын

Traditions has been around for decades making simple, rugged, affordable guns. 35 Whelen is more than enough for Whitetails, not to mention elk, moose, bears... A nicely balanced 35-caliber that won't loosen your fillings.

@danielrobey1759

Жыл бұрын

I’m not real familiar with the tradition rifle you have but I’ve seen some very positive reviews here on KZread on it, I’d say it’ll do ya just fine…

@drakeslocum2564

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thank ya sir for the response

@drakeslocum2564

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@@danielrobey1759 thanks for the info. I plan on using the 200 grain Barnes TTSX FB all copper bullets

500 Smith has the Hornady FTX bullets with a much better BC that will fit in a revolver which is 300 yards more realistically.

Anybody who keeps an English Setter if OK in my book. A piebald at that. Mine is named Phoebe Ann Moses, Of course, you know who that was.

The sandhills of Nebraska are like a completely different world compared to Omaha.

The correct metric name for the old German 8x57 is 7.92x57mm.

@charlesschenck911

5 ай бұрын

Additional Information, from Wikipedia. The 9.3×62mm (also known as 9.3×62mm Mauser) is a rimless, bottlenecked rifle cartridge designed in 1905 by German gunmaker Otto Bock. It is suitable for hunting medium to large game animals in Africa, Asia, Europe, and North America. At a typical velocity of 720 m/s (2362 ft/s), its 286 gr (18.5 g) standard load balances recoil and power for effective use at 250m (275 yds) to 300m (328 yds).[2] The C.I.P. Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) for the 9.3×62mm is 390.00 MPa (56,565 psi).[3] The 9.3×57mm was created by necking up the 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridge. The 9.3×57mm (bullet diameter .365 in.), introduced in 1900, is closely related to the 9×57mm Mauser, even though some dimensions of the cartridge case are slightly different. The 9.3×57mm is still fairly popular among moose hunters in Scandinavia (among hunters in Sweden it is affectionately known as "potatiskastaren", the spud gun, because of the slow and heavy bullet). Factory loaded ammunition with 232 grains (15.0 g) and 285 grains (18.5 g) bullets is available from Norma of Sweden. The 9.3×57mm Norma factory load with a 232 grains (15.0 g) bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,362 feet per second (720 m/s) for 2,875 foot-pounds force (3,898 J) of energy, which makes it 10-20% more powerful than the 9×57mm"

I haven't ate by 57 Mauser. Not sure what the markings are that are on the action. Been so long since I looked at and now it's covered up by a scope mounts but I had that gun per se basterized and I had the original stock taken off. Had the sites taken off and then I had a new man licker stock put on it, left the steps in the barrel and the gunsmith stepped the stock with the contour of that barrel reblued. The whole barrel rebuilt blue deaction jeweled the boat put a new chimney trigger in it reblued. My sculpt mounts to match the blueing on the barrel in the action and the floor plate seems laboratory butts pad and a Leopold 100th anniversary 3 to 9x40 scope put on it and I'm shooting inch groups and a heart yards with 200 grain acupuns noslers reloads. My son takes it out every year. He just loves that gun. He loves the looks of it. Perfect shooter trying to think it's. I think it's doing like 2300 or 2400 feet per second. But yeah I always wanted to take that back apart and see what that action actually says what those markings are cuz I don't remember it only paid $50 for the gun cuz some guy needed money. Didn't know what it was. I didn't know what it was and the gunsmith did a casting of the chamber to find out what it was. That's 8x57 JS with a 323 bullets and then he made the stock and did all the work for 500 bucks that include the bluing making the stock, finishing the stock and then putting the scope in the rings and mounts on. Yeah, the scopes in the rings in the mounts were I think another 500 bucks actually bought two of those scopes and one is on my 375 Ruger number one. Have a great day. I know this is long-winded but holy crap

375 H&H. It works!

Winchester made a series of "big bore" Model 94 lever action rifles in the late1970's and early 1980's that had reinforced receivers to deal with the higher pressures of the 307, 356 and 375 Winchester rounds. These rounds were higher pressure than most previous lever-action cartridges at 52,000psi CUP (the same as 308 Win). The round and flat nosed bullets of the time did not increase the effective range of these cartridges enough to make them popular. Marlin tried longer-ranged lever-action cartridges around 2010 with the 308 and 338 Marlin Express rounds. They had the advantage of Hornady's pointed, flex-tip bullets which significantly increased effective range over common levergun cartridges (to about 400 yards). After some initial fanfare, these cartridges fell largely into obscurity.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

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Good info Mr. Fess. My interpretation on all these "improved" lever-action cartridges failing in the market is that hunters wanting long range precision now they'll get it with a bolt action. In habitat where they know they'll be shooting close and likely quick, the lever action in 30-30 and similar is more than good enough.

@jfess1911

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@Ron Spomer Outdoors - Podcast I think you are probably right. At the time I read that Marlin put significant effort into increasing the accuracy of the 308 and 338 Marlin Express rifles. The advertising was that the 338 was equivalent to a 30-06 for hunting performance. Apparently not enough hunters were convinced.

Ron you are wrong on the 9.3x57. It shoots a .366 bullet the same as the 9.3x62. In performance thing about the 358 winchester.

It's the Remington Versamax, I have one. Great design, but poor build quality IMO.

Is there much difference between a 9.3x62 and a 7.62x63 (30-06) ?

@BornAgain2019

3 ай бұрын

Actually the 35 Whelen and the 9.3x62 are ballistic twins. The 35 is a slightly narrower bore dia but uses similar weight class bullets.

The S is for pointy nulet spiter

I heard a great joke today. What does a man do standing up, a woman does sitting down, and a dog does with one leg raised? Shake Hands!

@dr.froghopper6711

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Yukyukyuk!

Can I use 8×57 cartridges in 8×60 mauser

@ronkruchten5867

3 ай бұрын

Emphatically NO! The bullet (projectile) diameters SHOULD be the same (.323") but your 8x60 chamber is much too long to safely fire the shorter 8x57 cartridge. You'd be putting yourself and bystanders at a very high risk of experiencing a full case-head separation upon firing, blowing hot gases around the bolt head, into the magazine well probably shattering the stock at best, and injuring or blinding yourself at worst. If you cannot find the (rare) 8x60 ammo or cases to handload your best bet is probably to rebarrel or rechamber your rifle to a suitable caliber for it's condition, etc. Seek the advice of a competent gunsmith.