That was so American, my french keyboard switched itself to US ENG mode.

@jameswalker8832

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I just hollered laughing

@keithhellyer4565

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@PresidentDwayneEMDHComacho

Жыл бұрын

Get yer yeehaw emoji ready

@bmad1386

8 ай бұрын

​@@PresidentDwayneEMDHComacho🤠

@nthgth

4 ай бұрын

​@@bmad1386nah that's the Giddy Indiana Jones emoji

As a baby, in a rural house near a rural highway, this was the anthem of my earliest childhood memory. And bias ply tires that changed their song coming, then going, a mile before and after they passed. I went on to be a mechanic. For 40 years.

@jlo13800

2 жыл бұрын

it sounds more like a ccw 440

@jlo13800

Жыл бұрын

Do a lucid air motor swap on it to pull the hill much quicker!

@jlo13800

Жыл бұрын

@@RandomActsOfTaxidermy This EV shit goes too far i hear ya.

@jlo13800

10 ай бұрын

The 8v71 2 stroke handles corner quicker!

@jimblevins4085

5 ай бұрын

My Grandparents owned a house at the very top of hard pull both directions,about 2 miles each way, coal trucks would pull loaded for what seemed 10 minutes, and then would shift and then down the other side, didnt know it at the time but they were 238,s and 318,s? once i got older I learned what they were? My 1st driving job was a 238 powered 9500 GMC, figured out quickly why they sounded so good as a 6 year old ?

love the bark of the 2 stroke Detroit; a sound that isn't heard nearly enough anymore

@alexdanielson8738

6 жыл бұрын

Super truckers hey let's hear this diesel thar sounds like a wet fart hahaha lol

@PepperDarlington

3 жыл бұрын

Youd be pissed if you got stuck behind one nowadays with our fast ass automatic small block high power vehicles.

@JoeFlation

3 жыл бұрын

@@PepperDarlington I'd be happy as hell to listen to that sound of music

@JoeFlation

3 жыл бұрын

@RomeoPapaCharlie Its obvious that the English Language confounds you, an NO electric are nowhere near being viable means of transportation

@JoeFlation

3 жыл бұрын

@RomeoPapaCharlie and its still not a viable alternative IS IT? The only fool is your parents for making you.

We’ve had Detroit diesels in a lot of our fleet vehicles and equipment. 471, 6v71, 8v71 and 12v71 and probably more. All our drivers enjoyed those old trucks because they we so dependable. Over the years we’ve slowly been upgrading to newer trucks but we still kept the old gals in our reserve fleet. Our newer trucks have Cummins and CAT engines which are fine but I sure miss the sound of the Detroit’s. We put those Detroit’s to work all day everyday, sometimes 10 hours nonstop. They could take a serious beating and ask for seconds. Very reliable engines and very easy to work on compared to our newer diesels that have so much electronic and emissions junk. Our old Detroit’s were simple, rarely broke down, easy to repair, parts were widely available and they just plain worked. They may not be as powerful or efficient as our new trucks, but when the newer trucks break down and believe me they do, we know we can always count on our old Detroit’s. Most of them are stock but a few of them we’ve modified to make them a little more powerful and reliable. The only issues we’ve ever had with them is their fuel consumption. But once your cruising, it ain’t too bad. The exhaust systems have valves that can switch it from muffled to straight pipes, which reduces driver fatigue and is handy for areas where noice is a concern. I’m glad the boss decided to keep them at least in reserve. We take them out from time to time just to keep them going.

@jlo13800

2 жыл бұрын

sounds better than my wankel rotary omc and more like a ccw scoprion 440 ccw

@bertgrau3934

2 жыл бұрын

@Steven Seagull The problem with putting a non emissions compliant engine in a modern truck, is its illegal and very costly if caught, just a dumb idea unless your in Mexico or Africa

@TestECull

Жыл бұрын

It's been said that if a Detroit 2-stroke will rotate, it will run, and even if it won't rotate it's worth trying to break it loose because if it breaks loose it will run.

@andrewking4885

Жыл бұрын

Your sir name reminds me of a Nascar driver. What sort of trailers/loads does your company tow. Cheers from Australia

I almost need to smoke a cigarette after hearing an old Detroit.

@jackthompson1382

6 жыл бұрын

Brian Teed this is awesome

@ja7175

5 жыл бұрын

😂😁

@undertaker666dead

5 жыл бұрын

Its like diesel porn

@alfamaniacs

5 жыл бұрын

Lexington ... That's the one 😁

@Omegadoomship

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. But I don’t smoke. So I’m just going to enjoy it!

What a beautiful noise. Just add a Jacobs exhaust brake, come down a hill under load and you have an full on orchestra!

@Omegadoomship

4 жыл бұрын

A full orchestra with a full percussion section! Haha

@mikegrazio5376

3 жыл бұрын

you dummy. do you even know what an exhaust brake is? thats what they use on small pickup truck diesels now adays. these big trucks and old detroits had jacobs engine brakes. 2 totally different things

@keithd5181

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikegrazio5376 They both retard the exhaust gases so not a dummy.

@DivineCerinian

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithd5181 negative, one retards the exhaust (exhaust brake) the other releases the compression forces that keep driving engine when the accelerator is released (compression release) Two completely different methods of slowing down an engine.

@georgebordi8986

3 жыл бұрын

@@DivineCerinian you are right. It release the compression out the exhaust . People hear the sound out the exhaust and think "exhaust brake". We call exhaust brakes "potato brakes" because they do about as much good as jamming a potato in your tailpipe. Lol

I live about 1 1/4 miles from I-40 in NC. On a clear night, I used to sit outside and listen to those Detroits pulling the grade. The best sound you will ever hear.

Detroit is easily the best sounding Diesel engine out there.

@brucerogermorgan2388

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we don't get many of them here, we get mostly English and Euro trucks. Love the sound of a Detroit, they're held in high regard here.

@kalebdegroot7825

4 жыл бұрын

@I Am Sekou Yes

@TerryByrdJr

4 жыл бұрын

@I Am Sekou 👎🏽

@ralfie8801

4 жыл бұрын

The only thing wrong with them is EVERYTHING after you’ve spent a 10 hour day in the cab with one. They sound good, I love them. But they’re hard to put up with all day every day. Most of the trucks these came in had zero noise insulation, so the loose fitting cab parts rattled with the engine noise. I have some hearing loss from it. They were called “Screamin Jimmys” for good reason.

@gumballer133

4 жыл бұрын

@@ralfie8801 The 12v's are bad too.

You rock for keeping that 8V71 alive and working hard :)

My favorite engine Music to my ears

Beautiful sound for a beautiful truck

Love to hear any engine talk, but a Detroit really working does my heart good. Thanks for posting this.

I had an uncle that owned property up that mountain. We used to camp there every weekend in the 70's and 80's. I used to hear that all the time echoing up to the campsite. Jakes on the way down. I used to talk to them with my pops c.b. I'm now a diesel tech partly because of that sound. Started on d.d.'s.

@rides8087

6 жыл бұрын

robert white thanks for sharing that memory

Love to hear him downshifting with that Detroit.

@timfagan816

5 жыл бұрын

Donald Swink it was a poetic cog swag wasn't it!

@lewiemcneely9143

4 жыл бұрын

@@timfagan816 SLICK! S M O O T H and right on the pumps!

@ernestpassaro9663

3 жыл бұрын

DETROIT'S USED TO DIE WHEN THEY EVEN SEEN A HILL !

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

You do a lot of that, if you're unlucky enough to get stuck in one.

@ianshand3739

3 ай бұрын

Those were flawless downshifts! 😉

I drove 6-71 & V6-92 Detroits as a Carhauler. This was at the end of their life cycle in the late 80's. In those days they were basic engines and the Series 60 and the Volvo D11 that replaced them were welcome replacements, however there is no denying that hearing one today is pure nostalgia.

Just hearing that engine sends chills down my spine, I love it. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

@ernestpassaro9663

Жыл бұрын

It gives me a headache!

Such beautiful sounds of the Detroit diesel. And the truck looking the way I remember them with it's original Dayton wheels and not all chrome laden.

Yup. I drove 8V71's back in the '70s. It's always a good idea to carry a spare tractor with you.

@cooterhazzardbhogg8236

5 жыл бұрын

wrdjunk ahh the good old 2stroke joke.

@RJ1999x

5 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Lionheart that's no lie! Hills and Detroit's don't mix

@lewiemcneely9143

4 жыл бұрын

You can't be scared of the shifter, that's for sure. Just knock it out of gear and wait on lo! Been there and done that!

@bobwilliams3502

4 жыл бұрын

Them Potato hualers out of Main used to run CO 4000's with 318 Detroit's. They were loaded to the gills. Talk about some shifting son of a guns!!!

@bobwilliams3502

4 жыл бұрын

That was back in the 60s & 70s

Love the old dayton wheels

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Obsolete, just like the engine.

Oh the symphony of a 2 stroke Detroit 👍

@izalman

3 жыл бұрын

Forget Motown as the sound of Detroit, GM has that handle...

I started driving a '75 International cab over with a 8/71 318. I thought I was King of the road. Driver's now a days don't appreciate the nice trucks they have.

@andrewking9761

3 жыл бұрын

You were " King of the road" in the DCO.4070 . I worked for a guy that ran a single drive no sleeper Transtar an 8V71 with a turbo one each cylinder bank, something around the 400 hp mark at the wheels. "Goodbye Cat and Cummins"

That old Detroit put a big smile on my face! That's what diesel's are suppose to sound like!

I remember driving a 1970 GMC J9500 with a 6-71 Detroit, taking the right lane with the 4 ways flashing at any hint of a grade.

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, then looking for a fuel stop. Top off the oil and diesel.

Good old screaming Jimmy, brings back good memories.

Thank goodness for all those gears, that old 8v 71 dosn,t really have much get up and go, either that or it got up and went, !!!

My dad drove one of these in the 60s he said it was the only truck on the road that the bugs stuck to the inside of the windshield

It barks like our UK Commer TS3 Two Stroke of the 50's & 60's

I just saw this truck today getting off the NE Extension of the PA Turnpike Lehigh Valley exit 56. I saw the two stacks and thought "8v?" Then I heard him take off and knew it was indeed an 8V71. Although I remember the stacks being set wider than the cab like the truck on the lowboy, so maybe that was the truck I saw. Then I come onto youtube 8 hours later not looking for anything in particular and there it is in my "Recommended". Crazy. Nice truck.

@wayoutwille

5 жыл бұрын

Hello DamnStraightM35A2 That wasn’t me in the Lehigh valley,if it was pulling a lowboy you probably seen Jeff Erb’s Brockway that’s has a 12V71 in it

@DamnStraightM35A2

5 жыл бұрын

Cool. Definitely don't see stuff like that every day, especially out doing a job.

@josephcrowshaw950

5 жыл бұрын

The Buzzin Dozen

Check that drivers hearing cause I'm an old Detroit operator. What did you say? Huh What

yup ..detroit can smell a hill a mile away....ha ha

@markmcc78

7 жыл бұрын

loved the downshift at the end!

@lewiemcneely9143

7 жыл бұрын

If you drove one you couldn't be afraid to shift it. 13 unders went well with the 71 series but an 8-double 'L' would work with the 92's.

@jlo13800

5 жыл бұрын

Silkolene pro 2 sx can be used here

@lewiemcneely9143

4 жыл бұрын

@@jlo13800 OH yes. And an 18 and a Spicer 4x4 too.

@andrewking9761

3 жыл бұрын

@@lewiemcneely9143 Cheers Lewie shouldn't that be an RTO9513 ?? I've only heard of Mack underdrive, but you have the experience. What is an 8 LL? I love Detroits but a 4+4 Spicer would be hard work. I hope your save and well. God bless America.

That sound... Early 80s. Highway 1, San Juan, PR. Many Brockways pulled flatbeds overloaded with concrete blocks up them hills... Sweet memories.

I have driven through the Catskills before on my way to Connecticut to deliver a load. They are no joke.

They sooo need to make a New version of this engine . Billet everything !!!

I’m 41 now I remember those monsters scaring the shit out of me when I was little on my bike. Would love to see one now.

balling the jack"", sounding beautiful 😅 Thank you!

Screaming Gimmys, I remember driving those and it's a wonder I still have hearing left. Nonetheless this is kind of nostalgic, thanks for positing

I'm a CAT guy. I have Caterpillar yellow running in my veins, but the roaring Detroit Diesels are insane! Mechanical music!

@gregg4164

5 жыл бұрын

If your running a CAt made in the last ten years thejn you are running a Navistar motor . Not a CAT.

@lewistasso8866

5 жыл бұрын

Nope, not in the last decades. They were "pure Cats."

@lewiemcneely9143

4 жыл бұрын

@@lewistasso8866 3406's. B series preferably. And a Mack with an E-9 or a 3408!

@lewistasso8866

4 жыл бұрын

@@lewiemcneely9143 Gotcha. Yeah, nothing is the same anymore. PACCAR engines are rebadged Cummins, right?

@lewiemcneely9143

4 жыл бұрын

@@lewistasso8866 As far as I can tell, YES! I can't stand any of them. I was still punching old school stuff when all this started. MORE us;less garbage. If people WANTED to, everything could be done straight mechanical. Just more money wasted.

Beautiful music.

Sound of my childhood. Love it

Living in the past is good Yup old Detroit driver ,fun when I was 19/20 years old,to day x15 all the way,had to live it to love it

Ah sounds of the good old days of trucking. Sure do miss them days.

My Dad had a 68 cabover Pete with this engine. This sound sure takes me back.

In the early 80s I hauled a load of timbers up Windham mtn with a Ford L9000 log truck with a 318 and a 16 speed Spicer.

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you survived. Must have been a small load.

Good video, power and speed.Great engine sound ! Thanks.

I can just feel the torque from the sight of a locomotive or a truck in full throttle pulling uphill

A Beautiful Sound a lot of people will never hear or understand.

Gotta love the Detroit sound

I drove a Brock monster HD wrecker with a mean green 318! 13 spd too! Kept me busy shifting!

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, those Vega's were a heavy car.

@markp0752

2 жыл бұрын

@@toddgittins5692 🤣

I grew up in Washington, PA during the early 70s. Brockways were a common sight. I used to lie in bed and hear the Jake brakes at the I-70/I-79 interchange in the dead of night. The exhaust notes on Detroits and straight pipe Cummins would carry for miles! Beautiful echo, just like an old steam whistle. The opening scene of "The Deer Hunter" featured a Brockway rolling into Mingo Junction, OH. Dead on accurate.

@thomasglynn2282

Жыл бұрын

I started working on trucks in 82 and they were still running old B model Mack's out of the 60s up by me.

I can't get enough of that sound!!😃

Poor sick truck, good thing that his brother is helping him to the mechanics!!

sounds and looks great!!

SOOOOO glad I don’t have to sit in a cold cab and listen to that all night-

@ernestpassaro9663

3 жыл бұрын

AMEN TO THAT !

Amazing sound from an awesome truck. Love it 💖👍

Really nice unit there.

Hang a photo of an old Detroit, and it'll drip oil. I had equipment with 4-53s, 6-71, and 6v-92. Screamin' Jimmys.

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

It was a built in rustproofer. Frames looked brand new after 40 years.

I used to run a yarder that had a 6V71 in it. Loved the sound of running it.

Its amazing to see the diferance between a 8v71 318hp and a 8v71T 350hp with a turbo that can pull twice as good and gets twice the fuel mileage.

@jasond5405

2 жыл бұрын

@@MFKR696 well I hate to break it to you but if you have a 8v71 330hp Detroit non turbo and then you have a 8v71t 350hp with a turbo. The 8v71t 350hp turbo will get better fuel mileage hands down!! Because that non turbo 330hp is wide open throttle 95% of the time and the 8v71t 350hp turbo is only full throttle 65% of the time because the difference in power and torque between the 2 is a night and day difference!!! And I know this because I have owned both.

@richardmaurer9002

2 жыл бұрын

Plus the fact that more air means more oxygen and higher compression pressure.... you can add more air without adding more fuel... the existing fuel rate is made to burn more efficiently.

@MFKR696

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardmaurer9002 That's how engines detonate, Einstein. Please... Stay away from the wrenches, for the sake of the innocent.

My road grader had an old detroit 8V71 in it! I use to leave the doors open so I could hear it scream!!

best sounding diesel motor by far

@lewiemcneely9143

7 жыл бұрын

That and the old V-8 Macks.

@triplestrike9921

7 жыл бұрын

Lewie McNeely yessir,that is one sound that is unmistakable..the old mack motors sounded amazing

@lewiemcneely9143

7 жыл бұрын

I got to heard an old Super LIner with a V-8 and a 12 speed. The hair is standing up on the back of my neck just thinking about it! Mercy, that was a ride!

@triplestrike9921

7 жыл бұрын

Lewie McNeely as soon as you hear the engine,you knew what was coming..those mack motors had a sound all of their own..lol

@lewiemcneely9143

7 жыл бұрын

Even the 0ld 'B' models with the thermodynes sounded sweet. 185 horses weren't very strong but put them in front 0f a quad 5x4 box, they'd pop an axle and you'd never know it.

Nice downshifts. Sounds good too.

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

You'll be able to downshift in your casket. All it takes is about week, hills with heavy load. You'll be the best shifter around. Steering/driving is secondary, shifting is #1 priority, when you draw the short straw and have to drive the racket motor.

I could listen to that all day. And the old Brockway is super cool 😎 I never see them up here.!

@wayoutwille

4 жыл бұрын

Semi-Crazy Inc. where’s up there ?

@chestergerber7125

3 жыл бұрын

I used to listen to one of those 2 stroke jokes all day every day. A short video like this reminds why i don't miss them. Get'cha one. Fun to go to shows with.

Detroit’s did one thing very well and that’s convert fuel into noise

@randallwells5724

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Smith and put oil back in the ground where it came from. Still love them though

@justjames9775

4 жыл бұрын

You misspelled music.

@richardmaurer9002

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t Detroit haters ever get tired of that quip? Y’all sound like you were focus grouped.

I remember that sound from the 80s when I drove one of those screaming Detroits !!!!!

Beautiful sound.

Worked for a municipality back in the 90s we had a Clark loader with a Detroit use to love hearing it come in the building.

The sound Reminds of a 20-ton forklift I drove in a former life. Detroit's are FRIGGIN' LOUD! I had to wear hearing protection.

@horsepower0539

3 жыл бұрын

Why you think us old old truck drivers can't hear especially in them V12 you had stereo

Love the heat haze rising from the stacks 🔥🔥

Love to see a vid of an old Detroit at night...see that stack glowing!...👊

Sorry don’t miss how loud it was in the cab back in the day. That engine is why I’ve lost most of my hearing

@mgp870

Жыл бұрын

Thunder Road Garage I drove a 12v71 Detroit Diesel four almost five years and still have my hearing!

Sounds great and looks sharp. I just couldn’t help thinking it needs at least 200 more horsepower.

Man! That old detroit is barking just like she was meant to. What a sound...Hopefully still running her.

We ran peterbuilts with 8v92's hauling ore. They had alot of power but if they missed a gear heading up to dump with double trailers loaded with 20 tons each they would jack knife the trailers and float the valves! There they were with bent valves crossways on the haul road! What a mess! But they performed great, plenty of power. Loved the sound of the engine with twin turbo's and blower ramming air down the throat of that 2 stroke jimmy!

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

Heavy loads? With the Green Weinie? Sounds extremely dangerous.

@patdexter9188

2 жыл бұрын

@@toddgittins5692 They were peterbuilts with 2 20ton bottom dump trailers. Yes it was dangerous, had some pretty bad wrecks with them. Also had 35 ton terex end dumps with 12v 92's. Quite an engine for sure!

Nice work changing down.

Who cracked a fat when they heard that 2 stroke growl?

There's that sound! Company I worked for back in the 70]s had a bunch of Brockways with them. Tri-axles & a few tractors, as well as a couple tractors with 425 CAT's. We had around 25 HUSKIES in all.

beautiful sound ...

Most distinctive for sure.

Detroit Diesel and a Solid Red Brick if you have to ask what the brick is for you never drove a Detroit Diesel,every truck i ever drove mining or logging that had a Detroit had a solid red brick in the Cab😁

@lewiemcneely9143

4 жыл бұрын

Or a toggle switch.

@chestergerber7125

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to limber up your shifting arm. Lol

Beautiful just beautiful

I don't know much about semi's but that sound was great.

Ah, sweeeeet music! I miss that.

Ohhhhhh, wat a pleasent kinda music it makes

Love the brockway 361 w the 12v71 detroit monster!

I had a 8v92 sounded so sweet it was a 460 it pulled real good ,the sound was great,I drove a 60 series I wouldn't give 2 dollars for it

@Trump985

3 жыл бұрын

@Sally Hillal In my experience the 92s are junk possibly the worst engine ever built they blow up all the time. I don’t know what GM was thinking when they thought that it’s a good idea to try to get 1000+ hp out of an engine this small I had a pair of 16v92s in a boat constant failures! Needed overhaul every 2-3k hours! Having to inframe an engine more than once a year is inexcusable! Were talking liner o-ring failure rod failure cracked heads broken rings valve issues spun bearings ect this is not just one pair but everyone who has them and they put them in just about every 50-70ft sport fish ever made The 71s are bulletproof 15-18k hours between overhauls the little workboat Has a pair of 6-71s they go 5 years between overhauls and it’s only done because of oil consumption issues! the 149s are good but the power to weight ratio sucks for a high speed diesel a 12v149 was 10,000 or so lbs and is only 650hp at 1800 rpms no experience with 53s 51s or 110s But the EMD 645 is the best engine ever made used to work on a boat with a pair that had over 200,000hours on the original engine obviously it had many sets of power assembly’s but the block never was machined the crankshaft was never replaced or ground best designed engine ever I could change all 12 cylinders in less than a day (did one underway once) but the 567 and 710 are equally good

Music to my ears 😁

Ahhh yes...a Detroit. Life isn't the same without a droop screw!

the suv drivers leading the convoy are like 'yep, flick that OD off and settle in for the climb like Ice Road Truckers....' Meanwhile further diwn hill....

I would love to see a straight 6 of the same era pull the same load up the same hill. Great sound

@madlad8629

11 ай бұрын

They do it everyday, they just make very little noise and are much faster which is probably why you are not seeing it

Wow music to my ears where have the good times gone Detroit Diesel

Best sounding diesel engine is a 1693T Cat. But it had a problem, it would easily go one million miles between overhauls. It was just too reliable.

@chuckg2016

5 жыл бұрын

How right you are, Mr. Henry.

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

I hear the Green Weinie, I have nightmares, of when I HAD to drive one, to survive. Never again!

Kids all love Detroit diesels and cabovers, that's because they never had to drive one It's like the difference between watching the stripper, and being married to one

@richardmaurer9002

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should get sober before you get married

@joecummings1260

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardmaurer9002 who's not sober? I never married a stripper, but I have known a few guys who did. It looks like the shine wears off in a few months. Just the same as driving a noisy two-stroke Detroit or a cab over. I still have some Detroit Diesel powered equipment and I really can't complain about it, but a forklift and a generator set are not like a truck that you have to live in for at least eight hours a day And as far as cabovers go, we stopped making them for good reason. They are uncomfortable, unsafe, and climbing in and out of all day long wear's on the drivers

Dam that was awesome

Love going to the Brockway Show in Cortland and hearing all the old Detroits.... not a Brockways have detroits but seems like a pretty good %

@wayoutwille

3 жыл бұрын

Country Boy 85 the detroit was a less expensive option for adding horsepower than the other engine manufacturers,they where pretty reliable an simple to work on,a lot company’s bought them for that reason

Only about 5% of diesel mechanics can make a Detroit Diesel run to it's full potential. Mac's Produce in Raleigh had a fleet of 8V71s that put all other 8V71s to shame, they would outrun trucks that were rated at higher horsepower.

@toddgittins5692

2 жыл бұрын

On flat ground, maybe.

Listen to that old girl sing! 😎👍

You just can't beat those Detroit's!

Music to my ears 😊👍!!!

I know that route. Pass through it several times a year.

A trip in the way back machine