Oooh, I love that satisfying clunk as the breakers open/close through the neutral section and the fans powering up again. Also the electrical hum when the handle is held in 'run up' - she's definitely drawing some amps! This is the perfect '87 video. You get just about every sound they make. I miss them so much.

Incredible machine. Some of these 87s when in good condition could regularly put out well over 7000 hp. A very simple locomotive, no computers just a tap changer transformer and four traction motors, and enough power to pull the top off a mountain.

@arthurrytis6010

2 жыл бұрын

A delight to drive

@jess.hawkins

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, so is it the tap changer that the driver is controlling when he moves that big lever back and forth?

@arthurrytis6010

2 жыл бұрын

@@jess.hawkins in a word, yes. It's basically a rheostat

@jess.hawkins

2 жыл бұрын

@@arthurrytis6010 Except without using resistance to vary the output, but by selectively enabling different tx windings?

@arthurrytis6010

2 жыл бұрын

@@jess.hawkins No idea. All I did was drive them. In the later years they made an improvement whereby you could not overload them.. They were good !

87's are simply magnificent!

Great video,i used to drive 81's 85,86 and the 87's and this brought a lot of great memories flooding back.by far the 87's were the best even better than the 90's which i drove

I just love this video hearing the the hum of the Class 87's, really do miss the old girls on the WCML.

@shytalker

2 жыл бұрын

me likewisereally powerful sound.

Omg she sounds awesome! 2:40...that demonic wail!! What a machine..miss them. Thanks for this upload.

Oh my days, the acceleration, that is amazing. Love the Class 87.

Hellfire tapchanger action! Love the neutral section breaker noise with the 'engine' room door kept open. No simple pull on power controller and let it all happen; drivers really needed to 'drive' these AC locos.

@theblacktrainboy373

3 жыл бұрын

What's a tap changer?

@ChangesOneTim

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblacktrainboy373 The tapchanger draws current from (or indeed 'taps into') the main transformer for the traction motors. It's basically a widget consisting of electrical contacts of differing voltages operated by a camshaft mechanism. On these locos there are 38 taps. The tapchanger is manually controlled directly from the driver's desk where, by to-and-fro of the master controller, he does all the 'notching' to increase/ decrease/cut voltage in steps as required. Tapchangers are ancient history now. All locos built since the 1980s have automatic 'stepless' control using new-fangled stuff called electronics(!)

@theblacktrainboy373

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChangesOneTim also the traction motor sound since 2007 I was 3 at the time I'm mainly around Tottenham hale and the class 317 have the same traction motor sound as the 87 and many other trains like class 321 and 319 I don't get it but i wish I could see these trains in real life down in North London there are no exiting trains besides alexandra Palace

@ChangesOneTim

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblacktrainboy373 All recent trains have 3-phase AC instead of the traditional DC traction motors. DCs have the good old rising note sing-song compared to the AC's pyschedelic-style random whining

@theblacktrainboy373

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChangesOneTim yes I've heard them on the 2009 tube victoria line stock 3 phase ac powerd traction motor

Fantastic.....I was lucky enough to have been a secondman at Stonebridge Park on the WCML in the old BR days in the mid 80's...got to drive a few of these under supervision ...awasome...the whine noise from the rheostatic breaks takes me back there lol !...brilliant vid, thanks.

The throttle has six notches: off, run down, step down, hold, step up, run up. The majority of the throttle movement shown is hold/step up/hold/step up etc. where the driver is probably keeping the ammeters just on the green/yellow threshold to obtain maximum safe acceleration. When slowing for the power section gap and speed restrictions he uses the run down position to let the system automatically and quickly reduce power to the traction motors to nil.

Well smart. Proper loco! It must be the ultimate power trip driving that, would love to have a do!

0:03 with Richard O'Brian saying "Will you start the fans please!" 😂😂

That sound. Pure perfection.

@adammoss5284

5 ай бұрын

“Ye canny whack it!” - more understandable as you can’t beat it 😆👍🏻

The needles were being kept at the very top of the yellow section and just below the RED section to achieve maximum safe acceleration!

With 5000 hp under the bonnet and a top speed of over 110 mph... Lovely Jubbly...

Hi there, fascinating, I only drive diesel electrics, so nice to see how different an electric loco is to drive!! Keep up the hreat work, and thanks for posting, worthy of 5 stars!!

The only time I rode in an 87, was 87 019 from Euston to Wolverhampton. I regularly ride 86s and 90s on Anglia. I have also done a 91 from Kings Cross to York, and a 73 from Victoria to Gatwick. Plus driven a V63 / 630 "Gigant" in Hungary !!

Fantastic video! Good to see you speeding through Carluke too! ;-) Mark

This is my "go to" video to remind me how it used to be

SING MY BEAUTY!

Excellent video, many thanks. Never cabbed an 87, as they were harder to scam a ride on! Shame that these machines aren't running any more.

@spongebobgrumpypants6862

2 жыл бұрын

We used to "cab" class 86/87 locos regularly at Preston station (platform 4 was best) in the mid to late 70's. Those were the days..............

Great video love these class 87s.

I enjoyed the ride, cheers!

The Driver had to on his mettle 100% of the time whist driving these locos. These locos had to be "driven" and required constant attention from the driver.

Excellent vid JT 5* Keep them comming!!

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

Superb video... great to hear that superb sound again and yes what a steady ride it was too at speed, one the best pieces of such video I have seen. Surprised Turner wasnt in the cab with the 87 working M44.... Nice one though, many thanks.

Thank you Driver for delivering your passenger's safety.

I thought I had seen it all during my years with B.R. What happened here is beyond belief.

Fantastic video, some great sounds too! Where was the video shot?

The driver runs down the power to the traction motors from his main power handle in anticipation of the 'neutral section' ahead. This is a short section of the overhead electrical contact wire which is made up of glass beads. It is necessary to keep the power supplies separate either side of the neutral section because the electrical current probably comes from different feeder stations, and thus could be at different phases. Otherwise, the transformer/tap changer will be severely damaged.

@ChangesOneTim

Жыл бұрын

At neutrals it's the auto power control magnets on the track that open the loco's breaker thereby avoiding the risk of the pantograph drawing along the earthed (i.e. dead) piece of wire. Running all taps down prior to each neutral is as much to do with quickly regaining traction power afterwards as it is to do with avoiding snatching/ jerking through sudden power loss. If you hadn't completed run-down you'd waste time after power is restored before being able to run up again.🤪

I get to thinking that the driver must spend alot of time watching those ampmeters but i spose it must come with experiance on how much and how often to knotch up! Great vid.

That was fantastic, cabbed a few 86's but not an 87

Great video 5 stars.cheers

@MrHaynestrainvideos I used to drive these back in the 80's. You had a bank of ampmeters that showed the power going to the motors so you just kept the needles out of the red, but with the 87 you would have wheel slip before hitting the red LOL

@bluemooninn

6 жыл бұрын

bobatporty Would it ever cause a power problem if you kept the needle in the amber?

@TheRagingWookie

4 жыл бұрын

@@bluemooninn after a while they would overheat so it's only for short periods

This handle controls the power setting of the loco. I think Class87 loco's have 38 setttings, called "taps". Pulling the handle back from the center, "on" position, selects the next higher setting, pushing it forward the next lower one.

I had been watching the farewell Class 87 clip where the train was eventually cancelled. I could not believe what I was watching. When I posted the comment, for some reason my browser flipped out and took me back here, the previous clip I had watched.

Let's have some 87 action over Beattock and Shap! Top vid :-)

I noticed some fairly loud equipment spooling up when the brakes are used - or possibly when they are released. Would that be the compressors by any chance?

The plunger being pressed is the brake pipe overcharge. I had a brake continuity test shortly before.

It's in England on the West Coast Main line North: Departure from Royal Mail supply on direction by Carluke (first station on movie) at Carstair and Carlisle.

@davidgriffiths7215

8 жыл бұрын

+Bioxyde37 It's not in England!!! It's in SCOTLAND.

@SuperOpticJ

7 жыл бұрын

David Griffiths Carlisle is not in Scotland!

@09weenic

4 жыл бұрын

SupaHotFire he is saying this clip is filmed in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@55022RSG Ah of course, it would be the cooling fans for the resistor grids then. I'd forgotten the 87s had that, as I'm so used to the diesels *not* having it in the UK.

I am very sorry, I seem to have posted the above remark on the wromng clip. This is an excellent piece of history. Thanks for opsting.

truly beautiful to hear

bring back memories ..... sounds like an old class 85 did from the outside !!!!!! lol

Excellent video JT :)

Wanna go faster? = Big Handle Wanna go slower? = Big Handle Wanna make a noise like a hoover? = Big Handle

Its how to control the amps to the traction motors. Alsoat about 1m20s power has to come off for a neutral section

NICE!!

The rheostatic brake fans sound kind of spooky. 90s make a similar noise when slowing too, I wish someone would do a good 90 cab ride as well!

If my memory serves me right 1M44 was the TPO Glasgow Central to Euston. I may have that wrong.

Lovely sound

Lovely

this looks like it's going past wishaw, pather then upto carluke and Carstairs junction.

@ML66B was it pulling the royal mail train m8?

Hi, love all the different noises going on here. (I remember being fascinated by the 87's & 86's for the first time in 1980 Euston Station on route to Preston Lancs) -- Q? = were all transformer cooling fans switched on/off automatically???

@ML66B

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, selecting a direction (forward/reverse) started the fans and pumps.

super!

@ML66B The 87s were AC (Alternating Current) electrics

Class 87s are absolutely awesome locomotives I would rather have haulage behind them rather than the pendelinoes and the plastic unit's such as the class 801/803/proper locomotives

86/1, 86/2, 86/4, 86/6 87 & 90 all ride pretty well due to the "flexicoil" springs between the bogie and the loco body. 86/0 & 86/3 were pretty bad but nothing by comparison to an 81 or 85! I have heard that 83's were pretty smooth but have never been on one.

@samstainer7455

2 жыл бұрын

83's were nice, 82's and 84's rode lovely even at 100mph. 86/1's 86/2's and 87's rode beautifully, a pleasure to work on, clean,warm and all the AC locomotives cabs had, to my mind, this great smell..warm oil, ozone....can't explain? I wish someone had bottled it... Eau d'AC, I would buy by the pint!

Hello John!

Between Shieldmuir Royal Mail terminal and just south of Carluke WCML.

fantastic

Miss them beasts

@steve7395 I don´t suppose you drove a class 81??

RIP 87022 :(

Not really, they had plenty of life left in them. A refurb would of been a more sensible option!

and Branson is a prick for getting rid of them!

@jay-xo9dx

4 жыл бұрын

He didn't own any 87s

@groupcaptainbonzo

4 жыл бұрын

Not only that. But he doesn’t run a heritage railway. He ran a business

@jay-xo9dx

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bendover-tq2qf You didn't say anything at all, if its a possibility you've changed accounts then Branson had to get new trains as it was in the franchise agreement. As much as I'm not a fan of him its more to UK train franchises than you think. Rail franchises are there to make a profit, Branson obviously doesn't share your love for class 87s but neither would I if I knew revolutionising the route would earn myself and my shareholders more money.

What's the little bell that keeps ringing?

@UKTransportVideos82

5 жыл бұрын

InterCity82 aws i think but not sure

@clocktwibright AWS indicating green signal ahead.

Great video. What does the lever that is pulled back and forth control, is it the speed controller and why is it feathered back and forth?

@ChangesOneTim

5 жыл бұрын

It's the power controller. Used to run up or down the tapchanger, a device that varies the power output from the main transformer to the traction motors.

Just play it loud in your car..

The "engine room" door was jammed open just for effect.

@ChangesOneTim

4 жыл бұрын

Easier to hear the circuit breakers through the neutral!!

Is this shot in australia or england?

@thetwincams6252

6 жыл бұрын

Glen Brown Scotland😎

Increase in speed????? A whole 15mph... I think there was some serious money that didn't go through the books!

Is 1M44 same Code as Royal Mail Train from 1963..? Thank You.

Can I ask, what was the telephone used for?

@myfriend123ful

8 жыл бұрын

+Celtic Saint Some trains have them for communication, so if a car stalled on the track they would call the phone and warn the train o tell them to stop

@CelticSaint

8 жыл бұрын

Many thanks.

@myfriend123ful

8 жыл бұрын

Celtic Saint yup

@86501freightliner

7 жыл бұрын

Or to order a meal at the local takeaway! xD

@CelticSaint

7 жыл бұрын

WaiHon Lam Would be great idea. Could pick it up at the station. Fish and chips would probably be the least messy whilst going around the bends!!

Yeah that's correct. The driver runs down the taps before the neutral section, hence him pushing the power lever forward.

Can someone explain the throttle lever positions and how it’s used to accelerate smoothly please.

@ML66B

5 ай бұрын

Yes.There are 6 positions. OFF, RUN down, NOTCH down, HOLD, NOTCH up and RUN up. At low speed you would use the individual notch up to add power then at higher speed use RUN up (or down) to control the power.

what a beast! gone too soon... Railways are just a glorified tramway now.

its made of ceramic bars

As a former UK railwayman with noise induced hearing loss I'm curious to understand what noise levels a driver would be exposed to in an 87. Listening even in this video gives the impression that it is loud and a driver has no hiding place to get away from it. The AC locos sounded great when those fans whirred up but at what price?

@ML66B

4 жыл бұрын

The equipment room door was open for this video Andy but they were quite loud even with wind noise.

Shieldmuir

I may have pressed the Flag button by mistake on my IPod Touch - extremely sorry if this has triggered a problem,

Neither. Motherwell - Scotland.

I take it its the brakes on his left hand but why was moving the right stork rapidly.... I'm being careful what I'm saying!

@GreatWestern-yp8mq

7 жыл бұрын

That's the tap changer, which changes the amount of power coming out of the transformer

@ronh5a471

7 жыл бұрын

The main power handle - but I'm not sure what that siren-like revving sound was, could it have been the rheostatic brakes?

@bluemooninn

6 жыл бұрын

EverTrainz Yes, these were indeed the rheostatic brakes

DEUSVULT?? STOPPING DRIVER GETTING WET?????

Can you do weelsparks driver and a hand brake turn

Whats IM44?

@markcf83

2 жыл бұрын

It's the train headcode. Until the mid to late 70's they were displayed on the front of most trains.

5*

Is this shot in australia or england? Answer - it is Scotland

Fantastic video! Good to see you speeding through Carluke too! ;-) Mark