8 Sulla, civil war and dictatorship
The latest instalment of the Conquered and the Proud looks at the first few decades of the first century BC. We deal with the final days of Marius, the rise of Sulla, the escalating spiral of civil wars and massacres as Rome's traditional political system starts breaking down.
Primary Sources - Plutarch, Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Cicero and Caesar. Appian Civil Wars and Mithridatic Wars.
Secondary (a small selection) - P. Brunt, Social Conflicts in the Roman Republic & The Fall of The Roman Republic
A. Keaveney, Sulla - the last Republican
R. Seager, Pompey the Great: A political Biography
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Absolutely brilliant topic. The first century BC is just fantastic. Sulla, Marius , Clodius, Caesar to name a few. What an incredible cast of characters.😊
tremendous
The intro horns of hell are back! Haha Thanks for another great video, Sulla is quite underrated considering his achievements
Perfect timing. Reading First Man of Rome by McCullough right now. Saved for watching later
@stevencass8849
Ай бұрын
Great series. I’ve read the entire series about three times. Enjoy. Let me know your thoughts as you go along, I’d love to discuss the series with someone.
thank you Adrian its wonderful to have this youtube resource of your lectures
I'm glad you recognize how the Social War was intertwined with the Marian-Sullan faction rivalry. So few historians or Romanophiles make that connection. Cinna and Carbo were able to rally Italian support because they were terrified of Sulla. The Battle of Coline Gate could very well be argued as the last battle of the Social War, seeing as it was largely a Samnite force besieging Rome opportunistically. And leading up to that battle there's a lot of horse trading and politicking across Italy, where both Sulla and the remaining Marians vie for influence not only of Romans but of the Italians as a whole. It's that struggle that really brings the Italians into the Roman fold for good, and what allowed Pompey, Caesar, Antony and Octavian to raise so many legions in their various efforts toward political hegemony.
please consider discussing the slave rebellion and its after-effects which you briefly discussed here
Excellent as usual. Thank you Mr. Goldsworthy
I enjoy reading you even more after listening to your lectures. SPQR!
I thought the trumpets were the intro to the wedding march , was a bit baffled:)
Talking to my cousin the other day about the exact moment the Roman Republican system began to die -- the victory over Carthage during the Second Punic War and the destruction of the small holder farmers. At least in my opinion. Great video. 🎉
Oh, happy days! Sulla was my diss subject at uni 30 years ago and the character from the Republic in whom I’ve always had the most interest. Much overlooked, I feel, and therefore I’m so grateful to have such erudite depth devoted to him by my favourite Roman military historian. Wonderful!
@countdowntorevolution9986
Ай бұрын
I love Sulla too !😍
Pompey supported Sulla and married his step daughter ,yet his father (Pompeius Strabo) had supported Marius against Sulla. .and I presume the legionaries under his father would be the same men Pompey levied a few years later to support Sulla?
highly enjoyable talk as usual. one thing I would add is the pivotal role of Marius' military reforms in enabling Sulla's march on Rome. Soldiers were no longer a citizen militia but professional killers who were loyal to their commander, not the res publica. this is a problem Rome never solved right up to 1453.
@borna1231
Ай бұрын
He comments on that in the previous part of the series, the one on the rise of Marius. TL;DL: Marius is probably not responsible for those "reforms", but was reinforcing the trends he found useful that were already present in the army.
@countdowntorevolution9986
Ай бұрын
@@borna1231 still I would have referenced it again here when discussing the first time a Roman general made war on his own city.
This is really well done! Subbed
Awesome video!
Firstly, great video. Also a question on allies and the military structure post Marian reforms. During the Social Wars did the military at this time still use the Mid Republican system of Alae legions of the Socii or were the allied troops mixed within Roman legions, or were they used for specialized auxiliary units (cavalry, light infantry, skirmishers etc.), or a bit of all of the above? The Marian reforms get a lot of attention but I wasn't sure how the allies factored in to these changes. Many thanks in advance for anyone who can shed some light on this. Once again, great series
I really enjoyed this talk. It was fascinating. I wish that you would write a book about Sulla, Mr Goldsworthy.
@Wien1938
2 ай бұрын
There's quite a good biography of Sulla by Arthur Keaveney. Sulla: the last Republican.
@KernowekTim
2 ай бұрын
@@Wien1938 Thank you, I have it, but a fresh take is sometimes a very valuable asset, especially from a Historian of Mr Goldsworth'ys quality, in my opinion.
Thank you, this was excellent. Also a video about Mithridates would be great!
Great work!
I love learning about Rome and you have a good voice for it :)
Your introduction is the best description of the common law i ever heard 😃
Colleen McCullough's First man in Rome,The Grass Crown and Fortune's Favorite basically.
Great sounds in the intro, indeed.
Just discovering Adrian Goldsworthy has a KZread channel Can’t wait for the sponsored future YT collab with Mary Beard and Paul Cartledge 👌🏼
@carloslwanga3143
Ай бұрын
😂 Share your feelings.
I have the documents that relate to the property.Because they were used to Spring.My great cousin from dockow during the holocaust
I love all your work! You mentioned Sulla was Romes first dictator but weren’t there many dictators before him? I think he was the first dictator without the six month limit. I always wondered why Caesar’s dictator for life was so controversial when Sulla had no limits to his dictatorship. Probably because Sulla was part Optimates.
@dyingearth
Ай бұрын
All of the previous Dictators were elected to deal with existential issues from external sources. Sulla claimed Dictatorship to deal with the remnant Marian faction. After he got that delt, he resigned the post and went back to being mere Consul.
I have to ask; have you seen Mike Duncan's "History of Rome" podcast? I like it, and I wrote my Ba in Roman history, but I am nowhere the specialist you are.
Sulla’s 5-peat
It said that my family earned our farm and strasbourg from soldiering for caesar's aunt julia's husband Marius
Not much about Sulla out there. Thank you sir. ( PS: He looks like a thug)
@sharonjanethague7181
2 ай бұрын
He does!
@Wien1938
2 ай бұрын
Have you tried Sulla: the last Republican by Arthur Keaveney? Quite decent.
@KernowekTim
2 ай бұрын
Hence my ask of Mr Goldsworthy. I think that he could write a superb biography on Sulla.
@KernowekTim
2 ай бұрын
@@sharonjanethague7181 A stern countenance in marble. A Dictator of stern order, too, by all accounts.
@king_cobra5492
Ай бұрын
@@Wien1938 TY
This guy. Talks shit in his first 2 minutes about britain not having a constitution. English bill of rights. 1688.
@tomricketts7821
Ай бұрын
This sounds in someways like the nonsense going on in the US
@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733
Ай бұрын
@@tomricketts7821 yes, national constitutions are on the chopping block.