I hate this channel. Found it about a week ago. Since then, I have purchased over $2500 in new hunting gear and firearms. Why do you have to do such a good job on your reviews? Man this channel is addicting.

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

If you bought rifles via their recommendation i really would hate them, their numbers are always way off. Their averages are a joke on this chart. Average .308 being 202gr? Really, 180gr is the .308 prime, one guy said when using 200+ gr bullets in .308 its for subsonic applications for like supressors and getting the most from a surpressor

@MrMalicious5

2 жыл бұрын

@@ratedredneck96 Top F-class shooters use 200gr in their 308s.

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMalicious5 it still wouldnt be considered average grain weight or common weight

@williamsnyder4890

Жыл бұрын

My favorite all around is my 7mag or my 30 06 hunt in western pa open fields mostly no more than 300 yds

@jamesR1990

Жыл бұрын

@@ratedredneck96 to be fair I think you're looking at modal average vs mean average, which is what Backfire is referring to.

Hunting cartridges were designed right a long time ago. 45-70 (1870's) - 150yds any game in North America. 30-30 (1890's) 200yds - low recoil - ergonomic rifle - 90% of all hunting. A 308 Win (1950's) or 30-06 (1906) 400yds = 99.99% of hunting A 270 Win (1920's) out to 500yds= 99.999% of all hunting, no Magnums needed.

@davidwatkins767

Жыл бұрын

Some states require straight wall the 350 about the same as the 35 rem. I love mine extremely accurate.

@joepangit6938

Жыл бұрын

You include .270, but miss 1906 30.06 which it was based upon.

@conradsmith6037

Жыл бұрын

@@joepangit6938 he included the 30 06

@ChatGPT1111

6 ай бұрын

A 338 Lapua out to 1000 yds = 99.999999% of all hunting. Just can't stop Godzilla.

Hunted the heavy woods all my life. Never had to shoot past 80 yards at anything. I've found that in those conditions the best round is the one on target. Every other characteristic becomes pretty academic at these ranges. So practice is far more important than cartridge selection. Good Video.

@blackie1of4

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.. I did purchase a 350 Legend in January 2020. I got to use it this past season. Downed a big bodied pennsylvania eight point. Complete pass through double lung shot and the buck stumbled thirty yards to his death bed. Definitely impressed!

@nataliedeyton6829

2 жыл бұрын

I hunt in western NC mountains and have hunted for 30 years and have never shot a deer over 75 yards... most shots are 40 yards or bow range 😂

@blackie1of4

2 жыл бұрын

@@nataliedeyton6829 that's pretty much what I'm used to in Pennsylvania. You may catch glimpse of deer further away.. but you'd be shooting at them unless they are under 75 yards. I've used several different calibers over the years.. and they all perform the same. The 303 British The 30-06 Springfield The 7mm-08 Remington The 350 Remington Mag The 350 Legend My first rifle was actually an H&R single shot 20 gauge. Shot at a few deer.. didn't hit any!

@Rivenshield

2 жыл бұрын

Something like 95% of all big game in North America is shot at or under 100 yards. You're in good company.

@solo-ql3se

2 жыл бұрын

Most tree stand hunters will shoot less than 80 yards, But if you're hunting in a different environment such as the great plains grass land where 300 yards is a must. Choosing the right caliber will really help

I love my 25-06, I haven’t had a problem finding good ammo, I love how flat it shoots!

@olwenaplyr

2 жыл бұрын

I can't find 25-06 anywhere 😫

@tjames525

Жыл бұрын

I have no trouble at all going to any sporting store near me and getting 25-06 ammo. I suppose it helps I use Hornady SST 117g so most stores stock it

@edwardhoward4708

Жыл бұрын

@Jared HaasA speed demon like that could shoot out the barrel pretty quick. Do you know how many rounds it has fired? Might be time to re-chamber it.

@byronstrohm3288

19 сағат бұрын

What bullets do you use?

@randallsensenig1075

17 сағат бұрын

@@byronstrohm3288I mostly use nosler partition 100grain

6.5 Grendel “18 AR platform extremely versatile under 300 yards, low recoil, light handling more than than enough for deer sized game.

@tythomps

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I'd swap out the creedmoor in this list for the Grendel.

@reefread1234

Жыл бұрын

@@tythomps sthu

@tythomps

Жыл бұрын

@@reefread1234 😎

@titomish5914

Жыл бұрын

@@reefread1234 isn’t crazy how now the grendell is better for deer than the creedmore?? Haha ridiculous man how stupid people are

Hunted Mountains and Heavy Woods always .270 Win and 30-30 Marlin. All I needed in Africa for Plains Game was the .270 ! Shot placement is Key.

My most used deer cartridge has been 308. I love the caliber. On a couple occasions, including this years deer, I’ve used a 243 from a 20” model 7. The buck this year was at 350 yards trotting angled away. I was in the open having just come over the rise of the land. I didn’t have a rest and couldn’t get lower (kneeling or prone) due to the curvature of the ground. Leading for the deers movement and the wind, I delivered a standing unsupported shot to the heart with a 100 grain soft-nose bullet. The buck reared up and drilled his antlers into the ground the laid motionless. He was done and the bullet was not recovered. That hit was like lightening! On a previous hunt, I punched an antelope at 100 yards with that rifle, using a 100 grain plastic tipped bullet right through the heart. The antelope didn’t move but took 20 seconds to finally tip over. That bullet was recovered under the off side shoulder.

I have never exceeded the usable range of .308. I picked it because I knew it would be one of the easiest cartridges to source and I haven’t been disappointed. 6.5 CM has been far more difficult to source so I shoot 6.5 less.

@G5Hohn

2 жыл бұрын

True but I solved this by buying a good bit of 6.5 supplies and reloading.

@vincentkeith5259

2 жыл бұрын

Good choice. Depending on purpose - .22LR, 5.56, .308, .45-70. I've got a couple others but they really never come out of the safe.

@Craig_Narramoore

2 жыл бұрын

Settling the 308 vs 6.5 Creedmore debate finally.......what ammo can I get.

@BikerDash

2 жыл бұрын

Ammo availability is the biggest reason I chose a rifle in .308 Win. It's especially nice being able to find surplus military ball ammo just to go have fun with at the range, and still have a really good selection of hunting ammo available to me.

@jackmemphis777

2 жыл бұрын

yep thats exactly why I went with 308. I liked 308 for a long time but never owned one and mostly shot intermediary rifle and pistol calibers the last few years. Bought my 308 last year for deer hunting and had so many good options for ammo between ballistic tips, soft points and fmj. Ended up shooting my first deer in the neck with a softpoint then rechambered and hit it in the shoulder with an tipped amax 308.

Me, smiling at my 300 Savage. It's been in the woods every year in my family since 1925. I have no idea how many deer it's taken.

I've got a Marlin 30-30 and it's nice, but my absolute favorite was my Marlin 35 Remington. With 180 gr Speer Grand Slam bullets it got me some blacktails here in California. I don't reload anymore, and nobody makes factory non-lead ammo for it, so I shipped it to my nephew in Indiana, since they have some funny rifle rules there. I'm from Michigan, and don't remember any funny rifle rules, just the shotgun and black powder only in the lower part of the Lower Peninsula. When I shipped the Marlin 35, I also shipped him my grandfather's old Remington pump rifle in 25 Remington. When they were recording the info at the my local gun shop to ship them, the young guy pointed out that the rifle was manufactured in 1909. My nephew reloads and gets nice open sight groups with it. At least Hornady still makes the 30-30 LeveRevolution 140 gr non-lead loads. Even though I've got 30-06 and 308 bolt actions, there's just "something" about carrying a lever action through the forests of the Sierras that just feels perfect.

@daneblackburn613

2 жыл бұрын

Got rid of the funny rifle rules couple years ago. Bigger then a 22 you can use it now for the most part

@wdtaut5650

2 жыл бұрын

Michigan still has a "limited firearms zone" for deer hunting in the southern part of the state. Centerfire rifles are restricted to straight-wall cartridges .35 caliber or greater with length restrictions - no .45-70, for instance. Handguns must use straight-wall cartridges, also. Shotguns and muzzle loaders are pretty much unrestricted. If it isn't deer season, you can use a .460 Weatherby magnum in the "limited firearms zone" if you want to for rabbits, squirrels, coyotes, starlings, whatever, just not for deer, turkeys, and migratory game birds. I think the State expected .44 magnum and .357 lever guns, but along came the .450 Bushmaster and the .350 Legend.

I’ve taken 300 + deer and have never shot one past 200yds mostly with a 06 cool video👍👍

@mixtips637

2 жыл бұрын

I love the 30-06 I've been shooting one since 14

@paulmoss7940

2 жыл бұрын

Yup ,me too ,plus several big black bears and pigs. Have plenty of 06 ammo for life.

@rileybaxter727

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry.

The 25.06 is one of THE most underrated cartridges of all time

@ReelinTension

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. It’s one of my favorites

@joepangit6938

Жыл бұрын

25.06 totally rocks on deer. I switched to 30.06 for deer hunting though, just so I could find ammo anyplace. Can't shoot them unless you have ammo.

@thomassophiea

15 сағат бұрын

100%

@thomassophiea

15 сағат бұрын

It’s crazy how history repeats itself… everyone is hot on the 6CM… ever heard of a .243 lol

2506 is making a huge come back in my area of Wisconsin for deer. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Personally love the 25 for its devastating effects to deer.

@paulmoss7940

2 жыл бұрын

It do kick ass.

@kencleg7721

5 ай бұрын

6.5x06 85-160 fills the bullet line up 90 Hornady 3400 160 2600 no slouch no magnum needed. No prc needed either

The first antelope I ever shot hit the ground as soon as my bullet hit it. I love hunting with my .243

Fantastic video man! Thank you for making it. To many super duper long range videos out there that are encouraging hunters to take irresponsible shots. Good to see someone focusing on responsible hunting. Thumbs up dude

As a data nerd, I love the chart! The 30-30 is on the hook for, dare I say, hundreds of thousands of dead deer in N America. The .243 is another one that has taken its fair share. I’m of the mind, if you don’t need the recoil, why have it? Both the .308 and 30-06 are great rounds, but a dead deer is just as dead, if taken by either of those or a .243.

@boredboiseboy

2 жыл бұрын

The .243 and .25-06 are massively underrated.

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

The chart is wrong, avg velocities arent correct for the 6.5 at all. I have also seen a few say the .308 info like average bullet weight was sorta inflated and off like they are trying to make it shine a little brighter than it actually is. Avg bullet weight for .308 has always been 180gr, its all i see for the most part but they have average weight as 202gr but one guy said over 200gr in .308 would be subsonic stuff. They post these fancy charts that look so professional but are chuck full of incorrect data. They got the 6.5 creedmoor data way wrong, a 138gr bullet in 6.5 creedmoor is not going 2,695fps if its under 2,750fps id be shocked, the majority of 129 grainers are just barely under 3,000fps in 6.5 creedmoor. Do your own research and its safe to say considering i have caught these guys a few times blasting false numbers out there to not trust these videos when making decisions on a new caliber.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162

2 жыл бұрын

I'm very skeptical of the .30-30 data unless we're talking about Hornady's 160 grain ftx leverevolution load.

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 all the numbers are off and many of their videos have had wrong info in them

@richardallen1816

2 жыл бұрын

.243 is an excellent round for deer hunting. If you want variety of Big Game to Small game, it is tough to turn away the .06, because grain range is so large. From 220 down to 150 for the most part. Just my opinion, but .243 is great for taking things like Mules, Whitetails, Caribou, Blacktails.

I love my Winchester xpr in 350 legend, light recoil and an amazing shooter with a great trigger. Deadly out to 250

Considering the ridiculous prices and lack of availability I’m thinking bow hunting may be a better option this year 😂

@win300mag1

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I’ve been having trouble finding my usual broadheads. Even us bow hunters can’t escape it.

@robertboreman7672

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but you don't get the smell of gunpowder ,or the recoil !

@rileybaxter727

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know what a decent bow costs to set up? 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲 and broadheads are around $30 a piece and typically not used 2x. Never mind arrows….

@aidangalanti69

2 жыл бұрын

You won’t be saving any money with going to bow hunting 😂 my bow setup is easily Twice the cost of my rifle setup.

@raystephens2078

2 жыл бұрын

@@aidangalanti69 I’ve had my setup for years.

I agree with many of you who are saying practice and shot placement are really where it’s at when taking big game. I recently switched from a .308 to a 7mm-08 for recoil and ballistics but both are great. I love the channel! Keep the good videos coming.

Your videos on different cartridges have been so informative. It has made a big impact on what I will hunt with this year. Thanks.

I live your analysis and approach. I take great exception to 202 grains as the average weight of a .308 Bullet. 147 to 165 is the most common, and 180 is the maximum in have ever seen. Have never even seen a bullet over 200 grains in a .308. That is really skewing the .308 data.

@beckman6017

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@ronws2007

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you from my own experience, owning a handful of .308 rifles and constantly on the look out for ammo. 180 grain is the heaviest I found. Usually Federal Nontypical Whitetail 180, which works great with my MVP LR-308.

@phild9813

2 жыл бұрын

There are a number of factory loads with 185s, and I’m aware of a couple subsonic 200 grain options. They are certainly not the most common, obviously.

@ronws2007

2 жыл бұрын

@@phild9813 Well, that is news to me. I learn something new. I also do not see that on the shelves of gun stores. Probably the only place I might find it is on fundbroker. If there, at all. But, in my experience, 180 grain was the heaviest I have had access to.

@charlesadams7862

2 жыл бұрын

I shoot cast lead 200 in my 30-06 and you can get a 220 grain molds

I have a 257 Roberts and a 6.5 x 55 swede and have never lost a deer . It really comes down to projectile type and where you place it. Not sure why people think that the Creedmore is better than the 260 or the Swede as there is bugger all difference in performance. All though the creedmore was designed as a target round originally , I think that marketing has a lot to do with it's popularity. My hand loaded Swede easily matches it.

@smittysmith4828

2 жыл бұрын

Amen to that! 260 Rem fan here

@timclaus8313

2 жыл бұрын

Had a 257 Roberts until a friend wanted it really, really bad to hunt deer back home in Wisconsin. Very accurate, light recoil, and an overall really sweet round in a Ruger M77.

@phild9813

2 жыл бұрын

Marketing had everything to do with its popularity. As a result, for me, it’s the best option with the most rifles being produced and by far the cheapest factory ammo, obviously outside of ammo shortages when I generally do not buy ammo.

@krohn-education3906

2 жыл бұрын

@@timclaus8313 I have an M77 in 257 Roberts. Great gun, terrible ammo prices

@timclaus8313

2 жыл бұрын

@@krohn-education3906 They are fine shooting and handling bolt action rifles. The 257 Roberts is a sweet shooting round, definitely worth reloading for.

I started off hunting with a 30-30 next got a 30-06 which became my favorite. Now Im a .308 Lover for sure. ❣️

@packinaglock

4 ай бұрын

Same, to a T

Well said. Sometimes I think that I’ve never met a cartridge that I didn’t like, accepting their limitations. Of note, I am a reloader.

@ammoiscurrency5706

2 жыл бұрын

As a reloader what you can get out of a cartridge is always super fun! I have multiple hunting rifles for different niches. Reloading I can kinda perfect them for each niche.

@noahhorinek

2 жыл бұрын

There is very rarely a round that I don’t like. I may not have the same fondness or bis towards some, but I think there’s only 1 that I just do not like. 7.62x39 has always been cow fodder to me

@losonsrenoster

2 жыл бұрын

My British .303 Lee Enfield sort of forced me to become a reloader. Ammo prices are sky high, IF you are lucky to get any. Had it not been for the price of ammo, I would have considered it an excellent round under 300 yards as well.

@johnnymccann5607

2 жыл бұрын

Craig nice to talk with a fellow reloader. I’ve reloaded extensively for many calibers and this young man sounds like a armchair expert that needs to get off the computer a while and take so lessons from old rifleman like me with the experience and knowledge to teach the way or the real hunter/ rifleman. to the ones who reached this great rewards we have become the weapon. not bragging just been there and excelled in marksmanship and the passion of shooting. so could call it obsession. I admit I often expect to much of people as I do myself. iam a gray headed old fart who loves to help people be everything that they don’t know they could be. that’s not bad thing I don’t think. time is so short but then today most people don’t care or take time to just listen. that’s my two cents. I hope you do well and wonderful in life. nana and papa the hunter from the foothills of the blue ridge mountains in North Carolina .

@losonsrenoster

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnymccann5607 to me the best cartridge for hunting under 300 yards will be an effective one shot kill at the lowest price. I reload .303 British (not cheap) and 9mm ( not effective), .38 special, (not effective), .308 (not cheap). It seems according to my own I criteria I should not hunt, (I do not hunt further than 200 yards) I should keep looking....? Joking, .308 is a good all rounder to me. .303 served me well for 4 decades.

.308 wins out to 300 yards based on cartridge choices and availability.

@johngoodman9380

Жыл бұрын

Am I reading the chart correctly, .308 bullet weight avg, 202, muzzle velocity 2491 fps. What happened to 150 gr. traveling 2820 fps?

@stevenmontoya7275

Жыл бұрын

@@johngoodman9380 Yeah like 150, 165, and 180 grains going 3000, 2700, and 2600 fps respectively is the sweetspot of the .308. Never have I seen someone hunt with something over 180 grain in .308.

@jhamelin119

6 ай бұрын

not unless they want to shoot through a fence pole @@stevenmontoya7275

Great video! I own three guns in one of those calibers. I’ve shot a lot of caribou with my .243, at 300 yds or less, and really love it.

Good job. I was one of those that commented on that 500 yard rifle. Great review. I am really enjoying your channel.

Great information and video! I haven't been hunting for for too many years, 23 years tops! In guns, started with a 12ga and quickly transitioned to a 20ga for the areas I hunted in, during shotgun season. For rifle season, I started with a .270 and found it very effective but slowly moved into .308 and returned back to my earlier familiar Army days during the 1990's. Soon, afterwards the .270 and .308 were retired back to the safe and 6.5 creedmoor took their place. All had served me well and filled my freezers, but overall very satisfied with my choices! Happy hunting, stay safe!

Great perspective. Well done. All good deer rifle choices. I am not too sure about the 350 Legend & 30/30 out to 300 but 200 they are really good options.

A great selection of cartridges. I think the 7x57mm Mauser would have been right at home on this list. I have used it extensively within 300 yards with phenomenal results. It is one of those cartridges where both rifles and ammo are hard to come by, though.

@stevet5238

Жыл бұрын

6.5x55 Swedish is another good one

Long time follower and 2 year member of P24. Your videos are great! I visit Mountain Home ID multiple times a year and hope to cross paths one day. Thank you for continuing your videos after "IS".

Great job. Cartridge comparisons are always cool to hear

Inside 300 yards, the 6.5 Grendel is a real winner. 123-129 gr, partition style or controlled expansion-the Grendel is a deer slayer!

I have been a fan of the 7mm-08 for decades getting mine in 1990. I got it primarily for deer. I wanted something that would be pleasant enough to shoot to allow more practice. I am somewhat surprised you chose a 160 grain bullet for your chart when on deer, a 140 grain would be the normal load. With my rifle, the Hornady SST Superformance do 2900 fps at the muzzle and would good for deer even up to 500 yards. I have reloaded some 160 grain for moose and their muzzle velocity was about 2590. I shot 2 moose with that load with one shot and the furthest was over 200 yards (DRT). For years Randy Newburg killed elk with this caliber so its no slouch. When using the HITS formula you should remember they call heavy game up to 2000 lbs. There's nothing around here that big and if I had encountered a huge bull moose I would have chosen my shot more carefully and gotten as close as I could but have no doubt the rifle would do the job with the right bullet. Its always harder to shoot a more powerful rifle precisely than one that recoils less. For the east coast you would be hard pressed to find a light recoiling caliber that would be more capable than the 7mm-08... yes even the 6.5 Creed can't match it at reasonable ranges.

@blackie1of4

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree with you 100 percent! Somehow.. someway writers painted the 7mm-08 Remington into a corner. They wrote many stories about it being good for youth/ladies. This has a lot of people with little to no experience with the cartridge believing that it's for kids. My question is if they do this in regards to the 7mm-08.. why are they praising the 243 Winchester and the 6.5 Creedmoor in their stories. At any rate.. I believe that the 7mm-08 is the BEST whitetail cartridge. Yes .. there's plenty others that get the job done.. but it just plain works for me :)

@jamespruitt6718

2 жыл бұрын

What type of rifle do you have? I’m recently interested in getting a 7mm-08 but can’t decide on the rifle.

@blackie1of4

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamespruitt6718 I highly recommend a Tikka T3x... I picked one up in 7mm-08 in March. $720 was the out the door price. Took it to the range with three brands of factory ammo.. Winchester Ballistic Silver tips = .55 inches at 100 yards Norma Whitetail Ammunition = .67 inches at 100 yards Hornady American Whitetail = 1.37 inches at 100 yards I am definitely pleased with the purchase :)

@denisleblanc4506

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamespruitt6718 I got a Sako AII Forester. It had iron sights that just fell perfect when I shouldered it so I changed the included rings for for a set of low ones and mounted a Leupold 2-7 on it. They don't make that one anymore. Mark Black Bear has a good suggestion. Browning, Weatherby and Howa also make good ones from what I read. I've read some don't like heavy 160 grains because the twist is a little slow. Try and get a 1 in 9 twist if you plan on shooting really heavy bullets. Mine is 1 in 9.5 and shoots them fine but I've read some are 1 in 10.

@denisleblanc4506

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackie1of4 Agreed. Apparently the 7mm-08 was for youth and ladies while the 6.5 Creed are for manly snipers. Go figure. It can do pretty much everything a 308 Win or even a 270 Win can do in a compact efficient package. Whats not to like.

Love your videos. I live in northern Arkansas and a long shot is usually less than 200 yrds and more often around 100 yds. Your videos showing the capabilities and limitations of different cartridges has helped me select rifles for harvesting different animals. My friends and I hunt feral hogs, bear, whitetail deer and coyotes. We also have elk hunts available but that's not what I love to hunt. Great job.

The 7mm08 is my favorite, hands down, but I wish you had included the .358 Winchester. Yes, it’s not as widely available and yes, it takes reloading to bring out its versatility, but it’s overlooked too much. 150 - 250 grain bullets cover a LOT of critters from deer to moose within 300 yards. Hopefully you will include it in a future video. Love the channel!

@kencleg7721

5 ай бұрын

.358 300 is a ride 200 yes 225 optimum

I appreciate this follow up to the last video, as I was one of those asking for just 300 yards and in. As much as I don't like Creedmoors, the 6 CM should also be considered here. And I don't mean to be negative once again, but I think the average bullet weight for a lot of the rounds on your chart are far too high for typical hunting loads. You certainly can get .243 rounds over 100gr, but it seems most of the hunting loads are 95 - 100gr. That's not much of a difference, but the majority of 7mm-08 hunting rounds I see are around 140gr, not 160gr ( even 7mm Mag doesn't go above 160gr very often ). Calculating an average weight for a .308 bullet can be tough since there's such a huge range, from 110gr varmint rounds to 200gr+ specialty loads. But for medium-large game, it's usually between 150 - 180gr. Dropping bullet weight would also increase your expected velocity, so better drop and terminal performance figures and less average recoil. I'm not sure how you currently calculate average bullet weight, but I'd use something like a modified mode formula. Because 160gr and 202gr are nowhere near average for 7mm or .308 hunting bullets.

Most of my hunting was in wide-open areas of Colorado, and most of the elk, deer and pronghorn I took were at 350+ yards. My 7mm Rem Mag and 300 Weatherby served me very well for these. Of course if I'd been a more skilled hunter, I wouldn't have had to shoot from so far!

Your the best out there man. Thanks for the great videos. I've learned a lot.

This topic is much more relevant to my region than the long range stuff. Please do more scenarios like this... maybe more specific geographies or hunting situations?

I will say a 243 shooting the winchester deer season XP bullets with a frontal heart shot will give you that instant dirt nap you're looking for. Just don't expect those bullets to bust a shoulder!!

@noahgonzalez784

2 жыл бұрын

I had the distinctly dumb idea to use a .243 ballistic tip at less than 20 yards and got greeted with a large orange sized hole right in the middle of the shoulder on the other side of the deer. Needless to say the angle I was shooting from wasn't great but it did drop it right on the spot.

@noahgonzalez784

2 жыл бұрын

A 110 grain soft tip put one deer down last year with a frontal shot, didn't hit the heart or lungs...strangest shit I've ever seen hunting. That deer didn't go 20 yards.

@andrewlyon4692

2 жыл бұрын

Shoulder shots with a 243 go hand in hand. High in the shoulder puts them down with ease.🦌

With more and more heavier .257 projectiles coming out, the 25-06 really steps into a whole new class. The 1/4 bore is getting hot

@carlosfigueroa847

2 жыл бұрын

Who's making bigger hunting bullets in 25 Cal?

@noahhorinek

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosfigueroa847 berger’s making the 133 Elite Hunter; Hammer’s making 121 & 128 gr. Hammer Hunters (which are all copper so they penetrate better); a lot of people hunt with Blackjack ACEs which are 131gr; and there are other companies that make heavier monolithic projectiles in .257. That’s all been in the last few years

@carlosfigueroa847

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahhorinek ooh, 120 grain hammer hunters sound like serious medicine for deer sized game... 25 Creedmoor might be on the way 😂

@KAden-ew6cv

2 жыл бұрын

Be sure your barrel has a fast enough twist rate to keep the heavier bullets stable. That's a common issue with the older caliber rifles. My 25.06 is so much better than my 6.5 cree

@noahhorinek

2 жыл бұрын

@@KAden-ew6cv I built a fast-twist 25-06 for this purpose. I love the thing

I so appreciate your videos!

I used to work at the Winchester factory in Oxford, MS. The large tubs that were used to collect the bullets were used throughout the plant. Sometimes there were left over shell cases and suck that were stuck in the tubs. I noticed the 9mm projectile fit in an un trimmed .223 shell case and instantly thought it would be a great little round especially when loaded with a combination of pistol and rifle powders for various barrel lengths of AR style rifles.

The 308 one thing over the others: I can reliably find it, and I can reliably afford it. Only other calibers I can say the same for are 5.56 and 7.62x39.

@_emh

2 жыл бұрын

Good point, espectially in today's market. The beauty of the 7mm-08 and .243 are, if you are a handloader, you can neck down .308 brass for your needs.

While I appreciate a lot of the newer tech and have adopted some (like the 7mm-08), I've killed a lot of animals with 45-70 and 30-06. I bought my premium hunting ammo on sale for under $20 with rebate and it gets me multiple seasons. We get caught up in paying a lot of money for hot new tech we don't need, much like a phone that would probably be better for the bulk of its users by being cheaper with a larger battery. Older, standard cartridges are great for the vast majority of americans.

@letsgobrandon416

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! With few exceptions, modern creations are either filling a legal need that didn't exist before, or are making marginal improvements with cutting edge ballistics. Even the highest BC bullets and most efficient cartridges don't change much in normal hunting distances inside of 400 yards.

@davidransom4476

2 жыл бұрын

When I started picking up my grandkids from school and events in the 2018-2019 school year, I finally got a smart phone. If it was easier to input a text on, I'd still have a flip phone.

@paulmoss7940

2 жыл бұрын

Most will figure this out after messing around for 50 years or so like many of us. I have enough 06 ammo for a lifetime.

@1RobHunter1

2 жыл бұрын

The old timers back in 1900 and 1940's were killing Elk, Deer, Bear just fine with the 1870's designed 45-70, and 1906 designed 30-06. All these newer calibers are just a way for gun industry to make a buck. Even the 1890's 6.5x55mm Swede does the same velocity as 6.5 Creed so it is just marketing to me.

@davematney1918

2 жыл бұрын

7mm-08 isn't "newer" tech really. Been around for 42 years. Much longer than that as a wildcat load called the 7mm/308.

Great video! Well said and I like your cartridge selection.

You missed the #1 reason for the 350-Legend. It fits in an AR15 mag. It is the perfect combination for youth/small frame hunters. 200 yards and in on deer, perfect for pigs, low recoil, super fast follow ups if needed. Also subsonic loads!

@shuumai

2 жыл бұрын

What about for home defense in a suburban area?

@marcuskadau648

2 жыл бұрын

@@twintwo1429 Ive been hunting over 2 decades. I love traditional bolt actions. The reason the 350 legend was designed was to fit an AR mag while suiting the needs for straight wall only states as well. It is genius by winchester in that they use resized .223 brass and 9mm bullets they (prior to covid) could pump both out at astonishing rates. You make practice ammo sub $.50per round (again appealing to AR guys) you are going to sell a ton of ammo. As far as sales proven, it does very well. Like I said it is great for sub 200 yard encounters on deer/pigs with its low recoil and 150-180 grain standard loadings with 260 grain subs available. Sure its fine in a bolt gun for alot of the same reasons, but the AR shines for its ability to fit youth/small frame with even lighter recoil and faster follow-ups. It is also easily sub moa capable. There isnt much to dislike if you understand its limitations and fits your scenario for hunting. Ive taken 200-270lb pigs with it, and taken many youth hunters out with great success on whitetails

@marcuskadau648

2 жыл бұрын

@@twintwo1429 if that's how you read my response you read it wrong. By the same token of calling me a lib i could call you a fud. Nothing i said was insulting to you or out of emotion. Simply explaining the case for a cartridge many know little about.

@popsfitch7938

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention less projection deflection in heavy brush and branches. (Proven catch some you tube videos) I built an ultra light for my wife and she loves it (I do as well). Less recoil than the 45-70 and 30-30.

@nataliedeyton6829

2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. 350 legend, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 spc. I think of as mainly AR platform guns. I hunt with AR’s ...smaller lighter than most bolt guns

I absolutely love 7mm-08... it's one of those great cult calibers like 41mag.

@8d4o0c4

2 жыл бұрын

I will always love the .41 Magnum!

I know you guys do a lot of research and a lot of your videos I thoroughly enjoy but I whole heartedly believe that you get far to wrapped up in the numbers. I have personally seen or have been on the trigger when all but 2 of these cartridges have dropped deer well past 300 yards. Good bullets and proper shot placement are far bigger factors than the foot lbs of energy on paper.

Great insight. Thank you Jim.

I agree for the most part... I know the 6.5 Creedmoor isn't as great as some people like to think when it comes to hunting. I mean shooting out to a 1000 yards on steel it's great but as far as terminal performance on deer size game I'd be pretty comfortable at 400-450 yards and 300 yards I'd have zero worries... I would've had the 270WIN and/or 270WSM on this list with the more popular 130-140gr bullets as well. It can get the job done a little further like the 6.5 Creedmoor but still in the same category when it comes to hunting for me anyways. I've been watching lots of the videos since I found your channel and really digging the content!!!

@maxcontax

6 ай бұрын

Big agreement with your comments. My issue with my 260 Remington is the rifle it comes in is not very heavy and it is hard to shoot accurately offhand in afield situation, I keep it around to shoot targets off a bench though. In the field I carry my 270.

Love the parameters for the cartridges in this video! Due to my rebuilt shoulder I need to try to keep that recoil number under 10. Example: when I realized I could only shoot 8 rounds of 6.5CM sighting in my son’s deer rifle I built an AR308 in 6.5CM and I could shoot a whole lot more with it. I extrapolated this possibility after building a 6.5 Grendel AR and could shoot it all day; I bought the first CZ bolt gun in that caliber and ouch! So it’s mostly semi-autos for me. And the 300 yard limit probably describes my practical shooting limit. Anyway, terrific video! You got my sub and I’m now looking through your video list for other fun stuff.

@backfire

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found a gun you can still shoot!

Good info, except on the 25-06. Even the heaviest (117-120gr) factory leadings are well into the 3000 FPS range. Even without crazy pressures I can get a Blackjack 131 or Berger 135 to 3100 FPS. I know that Handloading is a totally different argument, but to state an average MV of below 3000 FPS for the 25-06 is a serious injustice.

@gym55rat

2 жыл бұрын

Love my 25-06

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

All the numbers are off, read through the comments. These guys are a joke plastering wrong numbers on a fancy buttoned up chart looking professional but are very incorrect. So far i know the 6.5creedmoor data is wrong, others have said the .308 data was also wrong so id say its safe to say they are all wrong on the data. This isnt the first video where they were talking wrong numbers either, i have caught them several times saying stuff far from true

@lyellclare9365

2 жыл бұрын

True. Just like the 6.5 x 55 Swede can easily be loaded to Creedmore velocity .

@boredboiseboy

2 жыл бұрын

I'm shooting a 100g Barnes TTSX at 3200fps...that's a factory load.😳

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

@@boredboiseboy i would never recommend using these videos to ever help make a decision on a rifle purchase or caliber research. They have been wrong in pretty much every single video where they "talk numbers" or graphs. They seem to take like 100 grain and 150 grain and literally average those numbers instead of relevancy or popularity. .308 and .30-06 is usually 180 grain but he takes the lowest grain and highest grain and average it out to get the numbe and to be honest i have never really seen a 200gr or whatever he said .308 but to be fair i dont research .308 since i use 6.5 theres no need too. But you cant average grain with math, you aver grain based on popularity, theres more 180gr .308 floating around than any other grain figuratively so you say common grain or popular grain as 180 not math the average out. Also the dude acted shocked at the explosion in the ballistics gel from the compression of air and oils and other debris from the bullet to technically diesel in the gel and explode. Yeah he googled the fancy definition name but he seemed shocked and i have known about it for a loooooong time. Never use this channel for research.

In my area of the Pacific NW the longest practical hunting distance in the thick wooded landscape is at the most 75 to 85 yards. Heck you would be hunting and a deer would pop up and run away from 15 yards away of where you're standing. Non of those cartridges are necessary as you can hunt with a .357 Magnum very effectively. My preference in this setting is either a 300 blackout or a 7,62x39 (handloads) chambered bolt action rifle with a 16 inch barrel.

Hey there boss man‼️ I enjoy these videos and I enjoy the cartridge wars videos as well‼️

Think you missed a HUGE one, the .338 federal. Borderline magnum level out of a 308 size case! My hand loads (not pushing overly hard) get 2625 fps with a 200gr bullet. I’ve gotten well into 2700 fps.

@Rushshooting67913

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct on that one. I load the 160 Barnes at 3050fps with h322. The 215 sierra at 2650 with leverevolution. Awesome cartridge.

@buckdown1658

2 жыл бұрын

Try the 160 grain Barnes TTSX. I'm getting close to 3,100 with RL17, and it hits deer with authority

@megastick9324

2 жыл бұрын

338 federal is an unsung beast. People never seem to warm to 33s. 30s? Yup, 35s? Yup, 33s not so much.

@timharder9555

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Awsome round. Took my first moose with mine. Perfect bullet expansion on 210 grain tsx. Cheap to reload and not too bad for recoil

@G5Hohn

2 жыл бұрын

@@megastick9324 yeah I’m not sure why more people haven’t caught into the 338fed. It’s the most effective

I hunt with a 243 and never had problems with it.

Great discussion here. Lots of good stuff! I shoot most of these cartridges on this list. Like them all.

Thank-you for another great video !

I think the .260 Rem belonged in the in the trio you mentioned. Great BC, light recoil, and larger caliber seems to me to be better than the .243. All great for the intentions being discussed. Excellent video!

@adamhymas4620

2 жыл бұрын

In a 10 minute video it just makes more sense to mention the most popular cartridge of a certain type then discuss the .260, 6mm Remington, .32 Special, 7mm-30 Waters, .257 Roberts, 6mm Creedmoor, etc...

@OnTheFritz602

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamhymas4620 I totally understand that, was just pointing out that it was part of the .308 case family, and a "flat-out" fine cartridge.

@brettstewart6036

2 жыл бұрын

OnTheFritz602 totally agree mate the 260 rocks cheers Yogi Australia 🇦🇺🤙🤙

Nice to see the 6mm-08 on your list. (243)

@ronsamborski6230

2 жыл бұрын

Not listed was another great cartridge, the 7mm/06. More commonly known as the .280 Remington.

Always great info!

Ty for a great informative video.

Nice to have the tried and true .308, 7mm-08, and .243 highlighted. The bullet weights are all heavy for caliber though. They don’t reflect the true performance of these rifles and show their “sweet spots”.

The ONLY ammo that I could consistently buy at my local gun store throughout the last 18 months, including pistol calibers, rifle centerfire and rimfire, is .308 WIN or 7.62x51 NATO. There's your answer right there.

@jordanhicks5131

2 жыл бұрын

In my neck of the woods all that's on the shelves all the time is 350 legend and 9mm lmao

Love your vids,you are very knowledgeable and give use a non bias proven opinion. PS I would bet that half the people in the comment section,could not hit a deer at 300 yards

Excellent comparison. I have started hunting with short action non magnum rifles and limiting my range to bring back the sport of the hunt. I have no problem with long range hunting if one is well practiced and can place a quick killing ethical shot. For me it became to unsporting and wasn't hunting. Thanks for your time and effort putting together excellent informational videos.

@haroldenglish943

2 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as long range hunting, only long range unethical shooting at legal game. Hunting requires a plethora of skills beyond those needed for "Shooting!"

Within 300 yards, my bar .308 and marlin 30-30 will do the job here in Canada. That's all I need knowing that more moose and deers have been taken down within the last 100 years than any other calibers combined.

@hikenmikes8262

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll bet that 308 BAR is a comfortable shooter...low recoil.

@fj400007

2 жыл бұрын

@@hikenmikes8262 love that rifle, it's light , accurate, very reliable and, like you said, very mild recoil. As good as it gets in my humble opinion and, it does the job. As my hunting partners are now using the latest and greatest wsm calibers, I went a different way and now using a pimped out 30-30 on most hunts, love the old school style and feel, especially in our thick woodlands.

@Backfire. I don’t agree that there aren’t good bullets for the 25-06 when reloading. Berger, Nosler, hornady all make a very nice bullet in 115gr that destroys a 6.5 creed to 600 yards. You can get 3100fps at the muzzle with these.

@markmcg777

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Reloading for a 25-06 gives you much better selection and a “hotter” load than he showed on his computer screen. For 300 yards zero at 200 and you have a 6 inch bullet drop at 300 yards.

This may be somewhat off topic but I really like your office or study. It was the first thing that caught my eye and your computer screen set-up (chart) is also exceptionally well done! A bit curious as to what you do for a living and/or your technical background? More on topic what are your thoughts on the largest calibers that are available and which areas of ballistics do you find the most interesting? A very classy format. Kudos to you. Keep up the good work and interesting content!

Hey Jim! This is really cool! I found yout other channel 😍 I learned a lot from you and ricky in the income school!

Another cartridge that I think you're missing out on is the 300 Savage, which used to be incredibly popular, especially when fired from the Savage 99 lever action rifle.

@travisrolison9646

2 жыл бұрын

Hard to find ammo. I got a reloaded setup for it and let my brother use it since he's in the UP and isn't in the limited rifle zone. Good for close brush

@Freezer003

2 жыл бұрын

250 savage as well!

@dundonrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@travisrolison9646 I wouldn't think a high speed Spitzer bullet would be that effective in the brush.

@travisrolison9646

2 жыл бұрын

@@dundonrl I loaded them with 150 grn rounded Spitzer . I forget the name, Spitzer like but a roundish nose I would have liked to get 165 grn round nosed for it. It should do just fine at close range in the brush. You shouldn't shoot through heavy brush anyway and only use brush to get close. Short ranged deer coming in to his blind or maybe running into one at close range the lever action should do well.

If you like 308 why not 30-06. It’s little faster than 308 and 7mm-08 with more punch and recoil feels about the same to me. ( I do know the recoil number is a little higher but not that noticeable to me.) I hunted everything with 30-06 using 150 gr core lockt bullet for 10 years and only one or two animals went more than 20-25 yards before dying, but most folded up right there. There was only one animal that was shot over 300 yards that I can remember. I love 25-06 also, and I would own a 6.5 CR but with a 25-06, 270 win and 280 rem already didn’t make sense because I believe all those rounds do what I would need better than that round. I now use a rem 700 stainless 280 rem with custom carbon fiber stock for everything I hunt including deer antelope elk pig and exotics( mostly because it is light, recoil is minimal to me, has a high BC bullet, and it is a sub moa tack driver that can easily shoot out to 500 yards if needed) but I still occasionally take that old rem 700 bdl 30-06 out deer hunting just because every so often. 30-06 is an old round but timelessly does the job well.

The families of the '06 and .308 cartridges, are some of the best cartridges that can do so much. .270 Win and .280 Rem have great ballistics.

So cool. Thanks for your videos. Keep up the great work=)

Love your videos But....who shoots 200 grain bullets in a .308 Winchester? A bit unrealistic.

@backfire

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, typo.

@gilream

2 жыл бұрын

@@backfire It's hard to find a good editor, nobody seems to want a job these days! Ha Ha.

@danm400

2 жыл бұрын

So what was the actual bullet weight on the .308? Thanks.

What ever happened with your rifle that blew the primer at the range I still have never seen a follow up on that and I normally don't miss your vids

If you want to go back in the 1890’s look at the 7x57 which came out in 1892-3 and 30-06 based off it among others. The 257 & 6mm are both basically the same case as 7x57. All very useful. I have a 7x57 which is close to the 308 based 7-08 ballistically. Hard to find those calibers though.

My Daughter (13) shoots .243 I've have .308...last season I switched to 6.5...and love it. That said. I really like the .243. I'm all about connect energy. the velocity of the 243 and six/5 have serious energy at impact

I've used several of these cartridges on deer including the newish Creedmoor. Within 300 yards, of these cartridges the 25-06 is hands down the most impressive on game! It's just no contest in that arena.

@paulmoss7940

2 жыл бұрын

Yup....and if you make it a lil bigger...Ta Da....30/06...Says I in Boomer. Haha.

@bennwj

2 жыл бұрын

It works well enough, but its very difficult to get exceptional accuracy with bullets heavier than 100gr with the 1:10 twist most rifles come with. With those little 87gr bullets it is best suited for long range varmints It was my dad’s favorite caliber for many years. He eventually (around 1985 or so) had a barrel made with a 1:9 twist. It would put 120gr bullets in tiny groups all day long.

@8d4o0c4

2 жыл бұрын

It is amazing to me how frequently companies will hamstring their rifles with a crappy twist!

I just bought my 7mm-08, and have yet to take it out...that being said, my .308 has given me many successful years of hunting, and has dropped a fee Elk at 500-600 yards. I'm using (for elk) 180 grain Hornady SST rounds, so maybe your opinion was based on the 150 grain? Either way.... just wanted to put that out there. I'm a new subscriber, and am loving the channel. Thanks!!

Excellent video 👍🏾 .

Oh last comment. As I am from South Africa, We use the .303brit quite often as well. Falls right in between the 308 and the 30-30

What ? No 270 Win ? The best cartridge you have on the table is a tie IMHO with the 7mm/08 (my choice) and the 25/06. The 6.5CM gets honorable mention and just may be the lone best round for deer, time will tell. I've been hunting with it for the last 3 seasons and even with the 143 ELDX's have found it to really knock them off their hooves with only 38-40 gr. of powder. Mostly through and throughs with great blood loss, internal damage and less meat damage.

@daltonv5206

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. I haven't taken my 270 or 308 out for whitetail since I got my 6.5. Trying some Sako super hammerheads this year for bullets. I was really happy with the federal terminal ascent last year.

.257 Roberts is one of my very favorite but got into "old" cartridges and like .45-70, .45 LC, and .405 Win and .30-40 Krag

I love my old Model 99 Savage in .300 Savage. Where l hunt 50 yards is a pretty good poke. I have put a lot of venison on the table with it. I have lots of other rifles but that old 99 is my lucky gun.

You have a nice assortment of cartridges here, and I shoot, hunt and load several of them. That said, if you are going after elk or moose, perhaps all of them except the 308 become marginal. If you expand the 308 case "trio" to include the 358 Winchester then you have a cartridge that will not only do the job on deer but is viable for the larger animals as well.

How about the 6.5x55 or the 7x57? I’ve shot a lot of game with the 7x57 good bush hunting gun .awesome content👍🇳🇿

@chug-a-lug6842

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wish we had more options for the 7x57 in the US for some reason all our actions are to short for fit it or too long that’s why I shoot 7mm08 witch is really close the the 7x57 just a little shorter

@philiparmstead1764

2 жыл бұрын

@@chug-a-lug6842 It’s a shame about the action sizes I think you would have liked 7x57 .but the 7mm08 is awesome round I’ve had one and mates of mine have got them.

@oldgoat1890

2 жыл бұрын

@@chug-a-lug6842 Ruger used to chamber 7x57. I use Arisaka actions. 7x57, 6MM Remington, 6.5x55, 6.5x57 and a lot of other "Medium" cartridges. I want to do a 7MM-08 on a Winchester model 88 action, if I ever get time.

When are you going to make the video you mentioned before in a recent video specifically for the 7mm-08? Thanks for making these informative videos!

@ronsamborski6230

2 жыл бұрын

If it is made, please pronounce it as “7 millimeter”, not 7 mm! Just a pet peeve of mine. MM is an abbreviation of millimeter, not the actual word as it was meant to be used. Same as how some people use “V” instead of versus in legal references or sports competitions. Okay, rant over.

@archstanton9703

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronsamborski6230 If you don't have anything good to say, why say anything at all. If you have so much time on your hands, why don't you correct everyone else on KZread and write to all the online retailers and ammo manufacturers as well and tell them how you feel.

@ronsamborski6230

2 жыл бұрын

@@archstanton9703 Well, EXCUUUSE ME! I just brought up the way that the host of the video pronounces it as “MM” rather than millimeter. And no, I don’t have so much time on my hands to comment on everything on KZread or to write to all of the ammo manufacturers and retailers either. I am allowed to make comments on the way people say things, aren’t I? And I don’t need your permission, either.

@archstanton9703

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronsamborski6230 I agree that you are free to make comments, but you don't need to get your panties in a knot. You replied to my comment instead of making your own new comment directed at the maker of the video. Life is too short to get upset about little things. No harm, no foul. Have a good day!

243 is excellent for varmints/coyotes, deer and black bear (particularly well placed with a big one :] I purposefully got a Remington pump rifle for same in Pennsylvania.

Great video again thanks

would have loved to see the 260 rem on that list

@xrysoryba

2 жыл бұрын

Ballistically the 6.5 CM the 260 Rem and the 6.5x55 are identical. What you can do with one, you can do with the others. They have to be loaded to different pressures to do this, but in factory loads they are identical. Of course if the 6.5x55 was loaded to the pressures of the other two it would outstrip them.

The 350 legend also has the advantage of being very indifferent to barrel length as well as good subsonic options.

@wildrangeringreen

2 жыл бұрын

because it's essentially a rimless .357 maximum (meant to work better in AR's)... it's a hyped up pistol cartridge, shooting pistol bullets lol. That is why it's not amounted to much; now if they had made the case length closer to .38-72, but straight walled, and spec'd it to use 200+gr rifle bullets, it might be useful.

@MrProfchaos71

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildrangeringreen true but they won’t do that because in the states it’s used the case length cannot exceed 1 and 7/8th inch

@wildrangeringreen

2 жыл бұрын

Which states? Because even .45-70 wouldn't be allowed if that were the case.

@MrProfchaos71

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildrangeringreen it isn’t in Michigan.

@MrProfchaos71

2 жыл бұрын

The law here is .35 caliber or larger, straight wall case no longer than 1 7/8

As a bow hunter, the only times I pick up a rifle is during rifle seasons. All of my shots are still under 40 yards, I generally use either a 7.62x39 or a 300 blackout. I do occasionally use an old savage 99 chambered in 308

I am a long time fan of the 6.5 X 55 Swede and the 7 X 57 Mauser; both perform well at 400 yards and under.

What do you think about the 6,5x55 SE? It's maybe the most common caliber in scandinavia and you can shoot anything from a deer to a moose. I use it and love it :)

@daltonv5206

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic round. Most factory ammo is usually loaded weak for the old bolt actions. If you handload and have something like a Tikka or Sako it's even better!

@I2TheGGY

2 жыл бұрын

@@daltonv5206 I don't shoot enough for handloading so I guess it doesn't make much sense to me. But I'm interested in it. I use the Norma Vulkan 156grs factory ammo and it works fine for me right now. I shoot it with my Blaser K95.

@_emh

2 жыл бұрын

6.5x55mm is awesome, but at a bit of a disadvantage here in the USA due to SAAMI's ammunition standards. European countries load the cartridge to 380.00 MPa, which translates to about 55,000 psi of chamber pressure. When SAAMI standardized the 6.5x55mm here in the States, they set maximum pressure at 51,000 psi, presumably out of the concern that the 6.5x55mm rifles in America at the time, many of which were old imported military surplus, might not safely handle higher chamber pressures. Sadly this means that, in the USA, you have to either source imported European ammo or handload (using European load data, not SAAMI loads) if you want the best performance out of 6.5x55mm. It's still a capable cartridge here, but it isn't maximizing its potential. In other words, I'd take it to hunt deer without hesitation, but unlike the Scandinavians, I'd be hesitant to use it on larger game like elk or moose with factory (US) ammo.

@williambarnes4612

2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t the 6.5 creedmoor similar to the 6.5 swede?

@_emh

2 жыл бұрын

@@williambarnes4612 Yes, kind of in the way 7mm-08 is similar to 7x57mm Mauser.

7mm-08. Woohoo!!

I've got 308win in sporter barrel howa 1500 and absolutely love it has the wood stock and balances out the recoil well also have a 223rem and its brilliant calibre to

I recently won a .243 Winchester Model 70 Maple Super Grade in a raffle. I've needed an upgrade for deer hunting as I've been using a 1943 Lee Enfield .303 with peep sites for 30 years now. I've been skeptical of the .243 only because it seems like such a small round and I don't know much about it. Where I hunt in northern Ontario there aren't a lot of shots over 200 yards. I didn't have a choice of caliber so it's nice to see these discussions about it. Gives me a bit more confidence in using it.

@WayStedYou

2 жыл бұрын

243 is fine, taken Fallow deer in Australia with it out to 200 meters. Similar size to a whitetail.