Thanks for taking the time to do this! Great info!

Very, very interesting videos you share. These is very practical approach of finding advantages and disadvantages of the different cal. Thanks a lot! Best regards from West Germany

Great vid. Love your stuff. These comparison vids are great.

Great video - Love your range discipline. Well done sir!

Just the video I was looking for. Thank you!

I just picked up a 6mm a few months ago great video man

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Honest Outlaw! Love your channel man!

@RockinRack

3 ай бұрын

Love to see outlaw in the chat! Hope to see you get into some long range content!

Super great video brother very fun to watch👍👍 keep them coming!!!

That was a neat experiment. Thanks for sharing that

Wow, never thought .5 mm would make such a difference in recovery. I have a 6.5 and love it, but now you made me curious on the 6mm. I’ll have to look into trying the 6mm. Thanks for the great data and comparison Ray. Best shooting channel on you tube!!!

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

I have several rifles in 6.5 but want to compete in PRS and just bit the proverbial bullet and bought a Proof SS barrel in 6mmCM. Hoping for the best. Pretty excited about the build.

Very interesting comparison and information!

You have good conditions there guys. I recently did this in the cold, wet and windy conditions of mid - Wales (UK) with a 25 mph full value R to L wind onto a steel plate at 800 yards. With my 6.5 CM Savage mod 12 LRP in an MDT chassis I got a 3 fast shot group of 68 mm. I was using Nosler 140 grain RDF's at around 2800 fps. I've never used the 6 mm, but the 6.5 is wicked.

@XRING

3 жыл бұрын

Great shooting! Yes the 6.5 is an impressive cartridge. Thanks for watching.

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

I've been shooting the 6.5CM for quite a while now and have done a lot of good things with it. It is a great cartridge. That being said, i'm getting into PRS competitions and i am building a 6mmCM to go along with my 6.5CM. Both rifles are semi auto. Both will likely have the same JP recoil eliminator on them. One has a JP supermatch barrel, the other a proof SS barrel. I can't wait to compare accuracy and time for shots on target. Really excited to have both to compete with. I don't reload though.... yet.

Good shooting guys. I love the 6.5 creedmoor. I always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Antonio and thank you for watching!

GOD, I Love that rifle... Have the 6.5 creedmoor, and at the same time I purchased, had an opportunity to get a ruger precision in 6mm, was a hard decision but went with the 6.5 creedmoor.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

TTiger 8626 Thanks TTiger. Glad I could do this comparison. You will be happy with that RPR in 6.5 AND you will have a longer barrel life.

@YouEnvyMe28

3 жыл бұрын

@@XRING What rifle is that? The tan one that you end with shooting 6.5 Creedmore.

Well done, and very interesting to see

Great vide! How much fun was that!!!

I don't have a clue, but it sure is fun to watch you guys smoking those bolt guns. I just recently picked up a left-handed bolt gun in 22LR just to have some fun plinking. Stay safe out there brother, and have a great week!

Your findings match closely to mine! Fair play to ya fellas.

Thank You Sirs! Not to criticise, I just noticed Jeremy did not have his hand wrapped around the grip to start the 6.5 run with the A I. I figure he is most familiar with the stock on the .308. This was a great comparison between the 6 an 6.5 !

Awesome guys, I enjoyed it! Thanks!

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ferd and thank you for watching.

I think this is the best video you have made so far ;) more of it

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rune! I will try

Great video. Thanks for sharing this video.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joaquin!

Great video!! I have a 6br but I'm wanting a 6 creedmoor.

This is a cool comparison. But one thing I would point out as far as target acquisition, would be having a muzzle break on the 6mm CM which greatly impacts your ability to stay on target. With my muzzle break on my 6.5, I never lose sight picture which greatly increases back to back shot times. Same with a suppressor.

The way he was chewing that gum made me hungry as hell lol

Great video.. well done

Another excellent presentation gentlemen. I’ve been shooting Ruger Percision rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor for a year and consistently shoot with my own reloads 0.50 inch 5 shot groups or less at 100 yards. This is also my 1,000 yard gun. I’m retiring next month and bought myself a new Ruger Precision in 6mm Creedmoor. Will shoot the 6mm tomorrow for the first time. Same scope, trigger, and shooter just different caliber AND only my ammunition. Nothing factory. Will let you know any differences after several trips to our range. Thoroughly enjoy your videos gentlemen. Keep them coming!

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

Well ? What's the verdict ?

@davestein4162

Жыл бұрын

@@rascalmatt6713 6mm Creedmoor is also an excellent caliber. Similar consistent 0.5 MOA groups at 100 yards (as the 6.5 Creedmoor in my hands with my reloads). The 6mm CM is also an excellent long range round. I dial several MOA less elevation with the 6 at longer ranges compared to the 6.5. Example: at 800 yards for the 6 I’m dialing say 18 MOA. With the 6.5 dial 21 MOA. Bullets? 6mm is 108 grain ELDM from Hornady. 6.5 is 142 grain HPBT from Sierra. Powders are H4350 and Reloder 16. Similar burn rates for powders. Primers are Federal 210. Hopefully this doesn’t generate criticism. I’m just being honest with my experiences. And this is multiple long range shoots in a variety of weather.

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

@@davestein4162 I ran some data and it looked like those Hornady 108 grainers were going subsonic shortly after 1,300 yards. What's the furthest you've shot your 6mm ? And what barrel length? How did it perform.

@davestein4162

Жыл бұрын

@@rascalmatt6713 Furthest distance is 1,000 yards as we have no range longer here. 24” barrel. The 6mm Creedmoor caliber is a very capable round. Minimal recoil and very accurate.

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

@@davestein4162 I know all about 500 and 1,000 yard max ranges. I used to live in GA. I moved to Utah a couple summers ago and have been living it up in shooters paradise ever since. I've been strictly shooting 6.5cm but recently bought a Proof 24" SS barrel in 6cm for PRS. Its' semi auto and all i see PRS guys using is bolt rifles so it should be interesting to see if my semi auto can hang. I shoot a lot of 1,400 yards out here... i'd like to do that with 6cm but if it's a tac driver out to 1,200 i'll probably be satisfied.

As far as initial recovery comparison, I would say it’s possible that the suppressor (mitigating recoil a bit more than a muzzle break) assisted bs the 6.5 with just the brake. But that’s just one of many variables in play.

Have a 6 creed ona howa 1500 New to eld shooting cant wait to get as close to proficient as you folks are! Great video brotha

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Congratulations Nate and thank you for watching the channel!

I think the AI with the 60 degree throw and your suppressor helps with recoil management better than the brakes it looks like, makes for a overall faster rig than the other two in general, but 6cr vs the 6.5cr are soo close...Great video brother👌🤙

Huge fan of both cartridges, but my choice is 6.5 Creedmore. It bucks the wind better in my area. I like the 147 ELD match under RL 26.

That was a great vid !!! Thank you ! Can anyone tell me if you use semi auto in LRP meets?

What scope and reticle are you using? Great comparison. Thanks

Great demonstration you guys. I reckon I'll be sticking with my 65 Surgeon Scalpel. I have a few mates (I'm from Tasmania in Australia) who shoot 6mm and the problem they're having is with longer range, heavier targets. They are barely making these things move and it is difficult to determine an impact from a miss.

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

I can see that. But if the targets are around a foot or maybe even 1.5-2ft above the ground... you should be able to see splash from hits on steel in the dirt below the target. Especially a spotter with a spotting scope. I have a NF ATACR 7-35x56 which has phenomenal glass but when shooting at 1,400 yards in the heat with a lot of mirage.. i can't really spot single impacts on steel painted white. Everything is just too blurry. I was only able to hit a soda can at that distance when i had a neck shot next to a head shot and was able to see them finally together and make a holdover adjustment slightly lower to hit the soda can. The splash in the dirt i was able to see each time so i knew i hit steel... just didn't know where.

I’d probably choose the 6.5 Creedmoor. Retains a bit more energy and still plenty controllable

@JosephDAndrea0121

3 жыл бұрын

The 6.5 CM is kinda a pain in semi auto though. I am dealing with pierced primer with small rifle primers in both starline and fed brass at loads down to 38.0 gr. With large rifle primer Hornady brass i can load up to 42.5 gr with zero pressure signes but the pockets loosen after three firings. I haven't tried magnum small rifle primers because i didn't have any and they are un obtanium right now. This is even using the small diameter firing pin amd shooting on a cool day.

@treydenfrench7009

3 жыл бұрын

@@JosephDAndrea0121 what bullet? Are you squishing it into the lands?

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

Depends what you're using it for. If you're competing, time matters.

Very Cool Test, Thanks for sharing! Carry On

Jeremy is noticeably more settled with that 6.5 and 6. He knows his .308 obviously but when he settles in behind your rig he doesn't look rushed.

Thanks for the comparison. Have a 6 creedmoor and considering the 6.5 PRC. If you get a chance can you throw the PRC into the comparison?

@brockbah2048

3 жыл бұрын

I wanted the PRC but good luck finding ammo these days 😭

Great video ad always... a little off topic but, "What squeeze bags do you use/like?"

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Usually TAB gear for range work and Sand Sock Gear for matches (ruck) etc

I wanted to get a Howa 6mm but keep reading about long throat and a accuracy problems.

Would you say that the 6.5 is a better hunting cal. And would you use it on elk 'stretch but some people hunt elk with a 270' making the 6.5 one of the best all round hunting cal.

What is the rifle platform? Love the swappable barrel system.

Nice work bud!

What exactly this test for? Speed long ra g shooting?

Another great day on the range . Coronavirus can’t keep you boys from having fun outdoors 😀. Them Creedmore’s sure help in letting off a few quick accurate shots compared to the 308 Win . Xring can you find out the recoil energy figures between the 6 , 6.5 and 308 in rifles that weigh the same as your Accuracy International? Let us know in the next live chat . Cheers 🍻

What barrel length is your 6mm CM? I have a 26" factory Savage barrled action (unsuppressed) and I'm getting MV at 3036fps. Using that same 108ELDM. I'd think you would have velocities closer if not higher than 3030

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

24”

Still a nice comparison run. You guys need an eTarget for days like these.... It takes hits from yes/no, to how good, and there would still be data from these misses. Then, if the string were raised to four or five shots, the time stats would also show the story. Well done.

Hey love the channel! I have problems with my tactacam getting a full view at max magnification. Is that normal?

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Have you tried Mode 2?

What is the twist rate on on the 6mm creedmoor

Good Stuff. I'm currently shooting a 6.5 but wanting a new rifle to compete with as an amateur. Seriously considering the 6mm for the very reason of this video: recoil and recovery time. Thanks for the comparison!

@alangrant7349

3 жыл бұрын

I will add that my 6.5 Creedmoor shot a sub 1" group at 900 and sub 2" group at 1000 this past weekend! Consistently shooting half-moa out to 1000 yards. It's definitely a capable round!

damn son! you fast on that bolt! what I got out of this is that I can A)Get an AI B) in 6.5 Creed and i'll still take twice as long as you and miss 2 out of 3.

Nice

I would like to see your times when floating your thumb like Jeremy. Seems like your studder a little trying to wrap your thumb around that pistol grip.

Fun video to watch. It seems to me that an average time over 10 separate 3-shot groups would be a lot more valuable.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

I agree Randy. I will try that next time. There were a lot of videos shot that day and was trying to fit it in.

That AI is my dream rifle! I’ve got plans to have one some day. Great vid!

@ericwilliams2317

3 жыл бұрын

They are nice, but very expensive. A good gun won't necessarily make you a better shooter.

@ehboutdoors6820

3 жыл бұрын

Get one, I did and never looked back!!

I need to look at the ballistics differences between 6mm Creed. and the .243 Win. The 6.5 Creedmore ammo is available everywhere now that is in it’s favor.

Great Video. I’m a new subscriber with a tikka T3x lite, I don’t have a threaded barrel and would like to know where you stand on clamp on muzzle brake compared to getting the barrel threaded?

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ob and thanks for watching the channel. Although I do not have any personal experience with clamp on muzzle brakes , I have seen them fly off off of rifles more than once during competitions. I would definitely do more research on them before deciding.

@obshark9935

4 жыл бұрын

X-RING Good to know thanks

Maybe I'm off but it looked like the 6 was more of a snap vs the 6.5 was more of a push as far as recoil. Might be slightly more recoil but smoother recoil makes up for it?

I noticed you had that delay for the 6.5CM. Do you think that 3sec delay contributed to faster shooting? For the 6CM it seemed the shooters were more on edge not knowing when the buzzer will go off

I noticed he was pausing until he heard the impacts with the 6.5

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. He is a competent long range shooter, but that’s also why I wanted two samples. Will do more testing soon.

What rifle setup are you using that allows you to swap out barrels? Great video btw. I am the odd duck who has the 6mm Creed and the 6.5 PRC. I like the 6.5 Creed, but have not gotten around to grabbing one . . . yet!

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Sam. It is the Accuracy International rifle.

what bullet weight are you shooting in both ? would be interesting to see both the same bullet weight what gives.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Ummmmm. I mentioned 108 vs 147. There is too much of a disparity in bullet weights between the two calibers to shoot the same weight. The lightest 6.5 I use is a 135gr. The heaviest 6mm that most would use would be a 115.

Seems to have a LOT to do with the smoother action and overall fit of the rig.

I wonder what the times would be if the guy with the 308 was shooting with a suppressor? How much recoil/movement does the suppressor help with?

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Good question. I think the suppressor helps but not as much as dedicated brake on the rifle.

Are those aspens behind you ?

Groovy baby!

Lol should stay with the 6.5 After watching, I have six 6.5 and was thinking about a 6cm I am so glad I haven’t invested in any of those barrels I’m just gonna stick with what I know and that 65 is phenomenal

@stephenfowler4115

4 жыл бұрын

Lol you really don't want a 6cm!😁

What scope did you use

"you know he does have a point" !!!!!!!!!!

Did I miss it - what length barrels for both?

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

24”

How much could the suppressor on your rifle contribute to staying on target? I personally have not shot with one to know, but still curious since the other 6.5 doesn't have one and was slower. Also maybe you could have shot that rifle for a more controlled testing since that shooter didn't shoot yours.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

The Tikka is much lighter than the AI. I think this is what makes the difference. Even when putting the same suppressor on the Tikka it tends to be slower than the AI.

@2punish1

4 жыл бұрын

@@XRING ...The weight of those rifles will probably help in getting back on target quickly. The heavier the rifle the more it absorb recoil and able to get back on target quickly.

What kind of muzzle brake is on that Tikka?

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Jake Mann Thunder Beast CB brake.

My 243Win is 3.5mil @ 700yds. It would be interesting to see real world comparison of 243Win vs 6CM.

@janosvadas

2 жыл бұрын

With the same twist… The biggest issue I see is people having the wrong twist in the .243

It would be interesting to see you run an AR with a 6mm ARC.

I'm getting into PRS next year. Right now i'm finishing up building TWO semi auto rifles. One in 6.5CM and one in 6CM. I have a LOT of experience with 6.5 and none with 6. The rifles will both have JP recoil eliminators and their LMOS BCG. One already has a silent capture spring, while the other one probably will end up with one of those as well. The 6.5 has a JP super match 22" barrel with their longest thermal dissipater. I do wonder if that will negatively affect barrel harmonics. Anyone with a thought on that? Both will have JP RC XL hand guards and arca swiss rails. The 6CM will have a 24" Proof SS barrel. So the builds are pretty similar. For triggers i'm undecided. The 6.5 has the GSSA-E curved for now and the 6 will either have the flat GSSA-E or the Hyperfire Elite which i have now and is a single stage, 1.5lb pull believe it or not. I have a Noveske SPR with the Hyperfire single stage Eclipse which has the adjustable boot and a 2.5lb pull and i really like that. So right now i'm undecided on which trigger will win the day. My other little secret is the Hiper Fire grip. I have that on my Noveske SPR and it's just awesome IMHO. Puts your finger right where it needs to be on the Eclipse trigger. Ultimately, with these two rifles being so similar, i cannot wait to compare them side by side for time and accuracy.

@XRING

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you have some awesome builds. JP makes great rifles and are some of my favorites. Would love to hear how they do. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍🏼

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

@@XRING No problemo. Love your channel. Please keep it up.

Making it difficult for me to choose between the 6.5 and 6 for my next long range shooter from my .308. Then hornady throws into the mix 6mm ARC. I'm not shooting for times so I'm still leaning to the 6.5 for a heavier bullet when reaching my goal of 1600m. My best is 1020m with my .308.

Everytime Jeremy is in your videos he is giving that gum he's chewing hell lol...

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Yes he does! I even asked him about that!😂

@LL-be3rh

4 жыл бұрын

@@XRING well if it helps him with the crosshairs lol... you guys are phenomenal shots !!

you can try the lapua senars in 6mm 105grn 0.236 G7 and the 108grn in 6.5 , 0.231 G7

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Well, that’s the problem. I rarely shoot light bullets in the 6.5. This is why I choose the 147 and 153gr in the 6.5 most of the time. I don’t have to worry about going subsonic before 1400 yards or so. I’m still learning the 6mm and will try different things for sure.

I have the same in both in 6 and 6.5…. It’s a toss up, but I’m keeping both.

After i run my 308 for few years im thinking about doing 6.5 creed over 6mm just for barrel life

How are you filming through the scope? Looks amazing.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Tactacam 5.0. It’s the best POV camera system out there.

@shotgunmatt1

4 жыл бұрын

X-RING thanks for replying. Hopefully it’ll fit my Schmidt and Bender PMII and I cat get some interesting footage.

Lol great video

Was a good test untill you put Rick in it. Lol. I'm freezing my ass here , had snow yesterday and you at 75F. Wtf:)

why is the 6 harder to shoot than the 6.5?

Interesting. Perhaps repeating this test multiple times will make any differences more noticeable.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Will do 45 auto

Rick has a point ...... for once ha! but you did a cool test and we appreciate it

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Scotsman. He did have a point, but he always gives me a hard time !!😂

@ThecrazyScotsman

4 жыл бұрын

@@XRING He gets lucky once in a while 😂😂

Another fantastic video. My question to you is ... the 6 mm Creedmoor Barrel life compared to the 6.5 mm Creedmoor Barrel ... is it the same or are you going to get more rounds out of the 6.5 then you would the 6 ... I think that needs to be taken into fact or factors when figuring out which round is going to be superior at least that's what I'm thinking ... what are your thoughts on this?🤔

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

The 6mm is known to eat barrels, especially with hot handloads. 1200 rounds or so. The 6.5 will get you to around 2500 rounds. Definitely something to consider.

One day I hope to have a AI rifle , here you tried a gain twist barrel yet ?

The AI being about 4 lbs heavier than the 308 gave it an ever bigger advantage in recoil.

What is Jeremy's 308 stock?

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

HS Precision

Awesome low recoil (6CM)!! Is it true 6cm barrel burns faster than 6.5cm? Thank you, sir!

@charlesmckinley29

4 жыл бұрын

San Miguel yes it does. The same issue with the 243 Win. Now I have to compare the two. Serious competitors change out the 243 around 1500 rounds.

@stephenfowler4115

4 жыл бұрын

Lol you really ought to get your numbers straight...6 cm is over two and a half inches

i would like to see the same test but with an AR10

Shooting fast and control ones breathing with trigger control is not that compatible. Possible but difficult. Do not know if you guys watch any Biathlon. They shoot with high pulse. Pretty impressive. Best regards from Norway.

That explains why 2 off my friend's are using 22BR, NO RECOIL

@johngreene7928

4 жыл бұрын

I shoot a 22-250AI and a 22br both with 75 grain Amax. Shooting crows out to 850 meters is no problem with Streloc. 28 grains of benchmark in the little br gives me 2850 fps. I'm done with all the other calibers for long range fun but it's brutal to feed. Both my buddies are now building 22brs. Great fun cheap and stupidly accurate..

Put a brake on the 6 creed. The can is adding recoil and slowing down your time it takes to get back on target.

Try the nosler 115 rdf. It really puts the 6.5 to shame then.

Rick... I'm a newcomer shooter, Ray....you are here throwing lead all the time dude come on 🤣😁

Keep them both, lol nice shooting guys.

Strekock lacks functionality....I forget what exactly it is (maybe segmented BCs?), but it doesn’t have info that is required.

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

I use STRELOK Pro without any issues for years. I also use Applied Ballistics on the Kestrel 5700. I have not had any issues with STRELOK. It does allow speed and BC truing. I would like to know more about your findings.

@runflydive702

4 жыл бұрын

X-RING I’ll have to look back into it. You said it allows BC Truing, Do you mean that it allows for different BCs to be entered for different velocities? Again, it’s a little fuzzy, but I can check my notes, but if it wasn’t segmented (velocity) BC’s, then it might have been an error in the Magnus effect.

I'm not sure there is that much of a difference in recoil but you can shoot the heavier bullet from the 6.5.

What rifle is shooting the 308

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Remington 700

@jonathanwhite7883

4 жыл бұрын

Where can you be contacted to ask about rifles and maybe some shooting classes or courses and wanting to get into long distance precision shooting

@XRING

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan White email me at thexringchannel@gmail.com

@jonathanwhite7883

4 жыл бұрын

Ok. Will do. Thank you