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@TransKidsMafia

6 ай бұрын

Lebron can never shave again or the whole world will see his PED jaw

@BallinLikeMike23

6 ай бұрын

Another Banger from the GOAT. Crazy how time flies

@ranholic5027

6 ай бұрын

yea time files for sure and still MJ is the GOAT

@tperfect7241

6 ай бұрын

You just reaffirmed Mike is the goat. Love the vid

@3513SDC

6 ай бұрын

Nah fr, when that video came out I was still a sophomore or junior in highschool. Now im three semesters away from finishing my bachelors.

“And the real question tonight is - *can the Miami Heat stop Jason Terry?!”*

@MeechYaboy

6 ай бұрын

Not really crazy considering the tear they were on that playoff. They swept Kobe in the 2nd round and beat okc who had kd Russ green and harden 4-1

@T.H.E.O.R.Y.

6 ай бұрын

I think you missed it. No one definitely would've heard nor uttered "stop Jason Terry" in Jordan's era.

@JuanTonSoupXP

6 ай бұрын

@@T.H.E.O.R.Y. I missed it? You’re over here saying random ass shit - don’t fucking speak to me

@SevenmilePoncho

6 ай бұрын

@@MeechYaboyu go to context with that but no context that Kobe and Bynum was hurt and harden was a second year bench player KD and Russ was like 3rd and fourth that’s why it should be really impressive that they made it the next year that’s rare

@jit1709

6 ай бұрын

@@SevenmilePonchoppl don’t like adding context nowadays but either way that series is a major blow to brons legacy

Ah man those were the good days 😂 When SeatGeek and Hardwood Amino were being sponsored by every NBA KZreadr

@Ellivation

6 ай бұрын

Hahaha hardwood amino hahahaha

@JoelSproule07

6 ай бұрын

What was that one sports phone case company? I swear everyone was plugging that shit

@BiasedSpursFan

6 ай бұрын

man RIP hardwood those were the days

@davidherasme5780

6 ай бұрын

I miss hardwood man

@nickalfidi3285

6 ай бұрын

I wish the Hardwood Amino app still worked too. Spent so much time on it.

2018 was 6 years ago 💀

@okeythegoat2332

6 ай бұрын

Yes 2024 24

i appreciate that you watch this as a time capsule and not something to be picked apart. nice to watch you recognize how much growth and improvement you’ve made, without being harsh. keep up the great work legends

@brendonhowe2158

6 ай бұрын

That's funny because I see it completely differently. It's clear that his understanding of basketball has been warped by the delusions of this generation. Everything new is the best ever. The video he made in 2018 was far more insightful than his comments now.

@kmay505

6 ай бұрын

I agree with this. He seems brainwashed. This era is not better. There are more skilled players yes but he forgets that players back then made rosters just based off their defensive abilities. Jordan had most steals on ball not passing lane steals. He did quit playing defense. That's actually true ​@@brendonhowe2158

@Commandosoap777

6 ай бұрын

@@brendonhowe2158that’s just natural though as things change your opinions change alot of those narratives that existed back then no longer exist anymore ; dom is still a good basketball mind you don’t have to agree with everything he says

@20marvelman

6 ай бұрын

@@brendonhowe2158on the point, his videos now are just lazy reactions to tweets when he took the time to think about topics. Now part of it probably is YT doesn’t pay and his career has launched but his thoughts then were so much more thought out

@brendonhowe2158

6 ай бұрын

@@20marvelman dude funny you mention that. I forgot to add that it's pretty next level reacting to your own videos. Lazy.

LeBron James being 2nd to Michael Jordan is NOT a stain on LeBron's legacy.

@InspireRise300

6 ай бұрын

Kobe is second

@mcgusjustice

6 ай бұрын

MJ being second isnt a stain on his

@jhad777

6 ай бұрын

@@mcgusjusticeNot a stain but it’s not truth either…Truth is MJ was way better and accomplished way more in way less time…That’s why he is the consensus GOAT and always will be…It is also not trending because Lebron lost way more while Jordan was undefeated in the Finals for 6 Championships…

@lamertofar8gaming443

6 ай бұрын

​@@InspireRise300not even top 3

@tiktokexposed898

6 ай бұрын

Hes not 2nd tho. Lebron is better than MJ

Can't believe it's been 10 years

It’s a stupid argument to begin with. It’s good barbershop talk, but that’s about it. People watch these videos to support their own views. No one is going to say, “I changed my mind when I saw this”. Very very very few people are open to change. If you are think it’s MJ, you will always think that. If it’s Lebron… you will always think that. Heck if you think it’s Kareem or any other great player you’ll always think that.

@dale5654

6 ай бұрын

I never thought that I'd pick lebron over mj as my GOAT and I even had kobe over lebron for several years, but now that's changed and lebron is easily the GOAT rn imo. Opinions change based on what you see as time passes

@MrKurtykurt

6 ай бұрын

I used to think Lebron until I went back and watched MJ

@derpcoco7968

6 ай бұрын

i used to think jordan was easily better before i was involved in the nba but looking at the crazy stats lebron had made me realized that he was better. and no one i know or heard of has switch from lebron being the goat to someone else, only from jordan to lebron

@srivatsavyaddanapudi7772

6 ай бұрын

not to pat myself on the back but i think i had a change of mind mainly because of how my perspective of greatness in basketball evolved. Seeing sustained great play for 20 years, playing at a top 10 level for more years than he lived before being drafted into the NBA had me switch from Jordan to Bron because of the sustained great play for such a long stretch of time

@MrKurtykurt

6 ай бұрын

@@srivatsavyaddanapudi7772 why would you pay yourself on the back? That’s a dumb reason

That video is what brought me to your channel and nba KZread as a whole. The memories

@StoicBanana420

4 ай бұрын

No cap, Dom is what opened the flood gates for other creators like bsolz, LOW (LOW is doing good😎), all the 2k youtubers like agent00, duke, it's crazy how far everyone has came

Old dom knows ball. Killer instinct gg🔥🔥🔥

@peewee0224

6 ай бұрын

Aka when he was uninformed he agreed with you.

@MegaMjjordan

6 ай бұрын

@@peewee0224what do you mean ? Everyone is up in a twist on Doms opinion

@alxx292

6 ай бұрын

@@peewee0224it’s a joke bud

2011 should have ended the goat talks 😂

@joanoliva8623

6 ай бұрын

2003 should have ended the goat talks easily 🤣

@pimpnamedslickback7780

6 ай бұрын

@@joanoliva8623 Wouldnt the jordan equivalent be 1994?

@T.H.E.O.R.Y.

6 ай бұрын

How so?​@@pimpnamedslickback7780

@playcostz1407

6 ай бұрын

@@joanoliva8623 huh?

@camdynasty5938

6 ай бұрын

@@pimpnamedslickback7780?

I personally feel that accolades get a little overrated in NBA debate because for someone like Jerry West if he had 4-5 rings he's easily top 7-8ish I think the best way to look at a player is to either combine the eye test and accolades or put accolades in it's own categories and also I tend to value player performance more than rings and so much and happen in the Finals outside of said players hands.

@waff6ix

6 ай бұрын

FACTS💯JERRY WEST 1 OF THE MOST UNDERRATED PLAYERS OF ALL TIME😮‍💨BRO WAS A PROBLEM😳

@b111x

6 ай бұрын

Only rings are the main accolade that is overrated because there is no way anyone can say Charles Barkley is not a top 5-10 power forward of all time despite not having rings. Which is why I have always said that rings are a bonus to a legacy. MJ is the goat still because of far more reasons than just rings.

@statik4961

6 ай бұрын

The period in the league matters too. Jerry West was retired by the time MJ was in college.

@SevenmilePoncho

6 ай бұрын

Then take away scoring titles steals titles assists titles them are accolades

@coolKid-pm1rm

6 ай бұрын

@@statik4961That’s why players should be compared relative to their time period

that point about “if Bron won 6 rings, you could never take that away from Bron fans” lmaoo you right af ‘cause I’ll be beside myself wit that one 😂😂😂😂😂 you got that

@Viper_75th_RR

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, if LeBron had six titles, that would be the first thing the LeBronsexuals would bring up.

Watch someone unlearn ball in 5 years crazy

Wow you need to learn basketball if you think today’s no defense trash teams are better than the 90s.

25:31 y dont the lebron fans ever factor in that wen doug collins coached MJ he basically gave him the ball to do wat he does playing pg. 88-89 stats. 32.5 ppg,8.0 rebounds,8.0ast. Lets not act like MJ hasnt done Lebron numbers b4 or the fact that he averaged 11assists in his first finals appearance against the Lakers making his teammates better.

@alltheworldsastage8597

6 ай бұрын

They can’t acknowledge this it would destroy their idiotic narratives and bullshit at a point. Can’t take LeBron fanboys seriously they’re just trolls. And the biggest troll of them all is Nick Wrong.

@Poopopotamusgaming

6 ай бұрын

@@alltheworldsastage8597Lebrons 2016 finals alone is better than any series MJ was ever in 😂

@MacBoydFanAcc

4 ай бұрын

Heliocentric offense. Compare that stretch to LeBrons 2018 playoff run which was the first and only time he was in a heliocentric offense and you can see that LeBron was better

Ngl 2018 Dom cooked

@whenisdinner2137

6 ай бұрын

Somehow, he has unlearned ball since 2018

@legendarywiimaster

4 ай бұрын

@@whenisdinner2137he literally said at the end of the video that he’s not doing any more GOAT debates and I doubt he really cares enough about who people think it is

@whenisdinner2137

4 ай бұрын

@legendarywiimaster Doesn't change the fact he made bad points in this video

Jordan just has moments that can never be overcome. I'm sorry.

@mcgusjustice

6 ай бұрын

In a weaker era sorry

@InspireRise300

6 ай бұрын

@@mcgusjusticeYeah, sure, that's what you think. I've lived through both eras and watched prime 80s MJ. LBJ is not even close to MJ.

@midnightlumina7

6 ай бұрын

@@mcgusjustice Era doesn't matter. Attitude and how you carry your team means more.

@russell9411

6 ай бұрын

Tbh lebron has more moments bruh.

@seebbsss

6 ай бұрын

did you actually just said attitude? After he comes crying out of games, blames his team, quits the 4th quarters, and literally all of his teammates are afraid not to get fired from the team? Yeah MJ was an asshole but he never asked something he didn't do, Leflop stands still for 90% of the game and then blames his team for missing shots...@@midnightlumina7

*the best player you ever seen cant shoot free throws* but hes better than Mike and Kobe right make it make sense

He was bigger and stronger but he was not faster. I don't know where the narrative of Lebron being faster came from, but it is simply not true.

15:37 Not sure how that's correlated, considering it was AD who's 2nd in DPOY voting and 1st team all defense. Anyone who actually watch Lebron play post 2014 know that his defense definitely took a slip. He had a couple of highlights but is nowhere near as consistent. He wasn't even hustling back on defense DURING the playoffs in 2018. You know what's even funnier? 2021 Lakers had the league's 2nd best defense in opp pts/game and 1st in the league in def rating.. and here's the kicker, Lebron James missed 27 out of the 72 possible games that season, Anthony Davis missed 36 out of the 72 possible games that season. The squad carried that season with 2 of their superstar players regularly out with injury.

@CrazyxEnigma

6 ай бұрын

I'm still irritated Vogel got scapegoated for the terrible roster with Westbrook the next season. He had his flaws but I know damn well he'd be doing a better job with this roster than Ham.

How can you say everyone is more skilled now versus the 90s with a straight face, knowing everyone travels?

@drewlavay

6 ай бұрын

People don't realize how much their eyes have adjusted to this fact. Guys had to play back to basket 25 feet out on every play bc of hand checking and not being able to blatantly carry the ball out of tough defense.

@matthewphilipp6115

6 ай бұрын

​@drewlavay watch the "legendary" defense of the 90's and you will see everyone clogging the paint because at most 4 guys on the court can shoot and they took a lot of long 2 pointer bricks. Defense was good because offense was ass in comparison to today. And they shot more free throws then.

@mydogsnameislucy768

6 ай бұрын

Almost every year they make offense easier and easier.

@spitnificent

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, this is the most lack of skill era that I’ve seen. It’s a three point contest at best and I had to laugh at LeBron still being the best player the content creator has “seen” when Jordan and many other players destroy LeBron off of the eye test alone. A player that never plays defense, never takes accountability while wanting all the praise will never be a player that embodies what’s great about the sport.

@JohnDoe-ky5uo

5 ай бұрын

Ur not seriously gonna tell me u think Patrick Ewing, Reggie miller, and bill lambeer would be seen the same way if they had to play anywhere near 2010 or beyond

Lebron vs Jordan is basically quantity vs quality

@silabis

6 ай бұрын

No. The better analogy is a light that shines very slightly brighter for 15 years vs a light that shines at 99% of that capacity for 21+ years

@playcostz1407

6 ай бұрын

@@silabis slightly brighter? so 6-0 is slightly brighter than 4-6? hahaha lets hear your excuses

@itssshadow

6 ай бұрын

@@playcostz1407 4-6 when there 3 times where LeBron was clearing the best player on the court but there was zero opportunity to actually beat the team against him. Nuance is important. I still think Jordan is the goat but it’s a lot more complex than 6-0 vs 4-6 and those complexities outline the reason why Jordan is greater despite LeBron’s statistical dominance over 20+ years of basketball

@mydogsnameislucy768

6 ай бұрын

@@silabisslightly brighter? Lmfao literally accomplished a ton more in a lot less time and Bron is still going and still not anywhere near Jordan. 😂

@shaneyy__

6 ай бұрын

@@itssshadowthree? What was the first one?

I started watching nba KZread in grade 7. Probably like 12 or 13. Still watching dom to this day and I’m 20 in 2 weeks. This shit made me realize how much time has passed. Damn

@StoicBanana420

4 ай бұрын

Same man, 21 in a week or 2

There is literally nothing on a per game basis that lebron was ever better at than jordan relative to his position other than assists.

@thefirstechlon5522

6 ай бұрын

Theres a video on that and its huge. Same with clutch shooting and %s outside 3 feet

@alltheworldsastage8597

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely!!

@dododump3144

6 ай бұрын

Lebrons a better defender, playmaker, passer, finisher, more efficient and career rise he peaked higher or they’re equal, he had the better prime and has clear better longevity

@konorkaotic9657

6 ай бұрын

@@dododump3144 better defender is crazy

@dododump3144

6 ай бұрын

@@konorkaotic9657 how is Jordan better not using accolades

MJ achieved more in less time than lebron without having to hop teams

@cooperhodgson7008

6 ай бұрын

Cmon man this getting old…. MJ didn’t hop teams because he had the greatest coach ever and an all time defender, all time rebounder. Lebron has had good teams no doubt but your point here is so old and invalid 🤦‍♂️

@JCJ1234567890

6 ай бұрын

@@cooperhodgson7008Dwayne wade? Kyrie? Ray Allen? All time players and bron still left

@Parleyposadajr2248

6 ай бұрын

@@JCJ1234567890 ray allen retired after that run with the heat, kyrie left cleveland and wade wasn't the same he left for the bulls then to cleveland then back to Miami come be real man

@percivalpineda3219

6 ай бұрын

MJ had taken more 2 point shots in less games. Think about that.

@yea3702

6 ай бұрын

why do y’all bring up somebody staying with the same team their whole career like that’s a stat boost or sumn ? when you look back on kd career you gon see he got two rings and two finals mvp’s so who cares ? 💀💀

The thing with skill is players today shoot better but they lost post skill the dribbling is atrocious when it come to carrying and they gave players the gather step so now u hey 3 steps when it should be a travel I feel like and 1 players could make it today

@tiktokexposed898

6 ай бұрын

Nah post skill is just as good if not better but with rule and scheme changes playing in the post is harder

@tiktokexposed898

6 ай бұрын

@ispeakfactsbruh I didn't say it was bad I was saying players aren't worse today

@tiktokexposed898

6 ай бұрын

@ispeakfactsbruh they said players lost post skill and that's not true it's harder to play in the post in the modern nba

@zxcvb3772

6 ай бұрын

3 steps? I've seen 5 steps regularly go uncalled in today's games.

Where has half a decade gone.

@legendarywiimaster

5 ай бұрын

By

most videos that cover this debate show without a doubt MJ is the GOAT

Jason Terry is LeBron James Father

@masonjar9920

3 ай бұрын

lebron james literally ended jason terrys career

@ryancruz3143

3 ай бұрын

Bill lambeer is Jordan’s father ☠️

Mj did everything in less time with less help

@dale5654

6 ай бұрын

less help 🤣

@user-kj6be8sf3v

6 ай бұрын

​@@dale5654 yes! He didn't join his all star buddies to form a team just to choke and score 8 points in one of them finals game, MJ clears by a margin!

@murderorgy2995

6 ай бұрын

@@dale5654 explains how mj had more help

@Barrybonds762

6 ай бұрын

@@dale56547 all star teammates to Jordan’s 1. Yes l e s s h e l p

@vulcanraven9701

4 ай бұрын

@@dale5654 MJ never had a guy like Davis avg 28ppg in a postseason. Or a finals mvp in D Wade.

I remember when you dropped that video. Doesn’t feel like 6 years, but I’m glad your channel is still going strong. It’s interesting to see how thought processes change over the years, so I wouldn’t mind if you made more of these. I’m 100 % with you on not even bothering with goat debates anymore. They’re pointless & silly. Impossible to compare different eras

No matter who you think is better, both are great in their own way and should be respected 🙏 💯

@peewee0224

6 ай бұрын

Sadly we are the minority. Crazy if people stopped hating they would enjoy basketball way more

@Moneyteam2324

6 ай бұрын

@@peewee0224Ong

@YerpDerp17

6 ай бұрын

I agree. In all reality, I get why these two are at the top of the debate, but there are so many legandary players. Greatness comes in many different forms, but you know it when you see it. Greatness is one of the most difficult things to compare. And most of the time, if not all the time, impossible to compare. We should just feel lucky to have the ability to witness it all, in its many different forms.

@MegaMjjordan

6 ай бұрын

@@YerpDerp17that’s what I try to tell folk. It can’t be compared only tierd if anything ,but comparing the greatness of men against each other is pointless as much as it is rude

@amarevanhook7453

6 ай бұрын

Thank you

Dom at his wedding :pyjamas Dom at simplest argument for why jordan is greater than lebron reaction video:

10:20 also on Jordan being more technically sound, it’s also the era they played in. Kobes footwork was so phenomenal bc I think the refs gave more attention to that during games. Imagine someone trying to do a James Harden step back in the 90s. It’s getting called a travel every single time

@nessleezle

6 ай бұрын

Naw, by that logic there would be more kobe's as far as footwork is considered

What does Lebron do that is better than Jordan? No footwork, no consistent reliable jump shot, average to below average free throw shooter, ball dominant and won't learn to play off ball or in a system, stat pads and farms assists which disrupts the natural flow of the offense, minimizes his teammates skills. Lebron is 4-6. That is a losing record. Even if I cut Lebron slack for 07' and 18', there are still 4 additional losses he must account for. People try to make excuses because he "had to play the Warriors". Well guess what? The Warriors could use the same argument that they "had to face Lebron James". The Warriors were not this unbeatable super team before Durant joined. They were a rather small team. Steph nor Klay are exceptionally tall or athletic. Draymond served as an undersized center for much of his career and is generally not an offensive threat. Recall that OKC had these mfs down 3-1 and could've sealed the deal in the 2016 WCF. Once Durant joined the Warriors I would argue that it actually brought parity. Lebron vs. KD, Kyrie vs. Steph, and JR/Shumpert vs. Klay. That series was not unwinnable. Kawhi had these Golden State mfs down by 20+ points in the 3rd quarter of game 1 in the the 2017 WCF damn near by himself before he got injured. Lebron never evolved his game to maximize his teammates' skills and is probably the greatest contributing factor as to why he is 4-6. You've gotten soft Dom that's all. Yes the game is more skilled in terms of great 3pt shooting and efficient scoring but the game has deteriorated in other ways hence when why the US hasn't had the best performances in international competitions in the past couple years. Even Doncic and other foreign players have said it's easier to score in the NBA than in Europe. The European game is more similar to the 90s game.

@mydogsnameislucy768

6 ай бұрын

🎯 🎯🎯🎯🎯

@roblowe1622

6 ай бұрын

Not everyone deserves opinions. Only LeBron haters value finals records as if it isn’t a team effort

@561madebo3

6 ай бұрын

Respectfully I think some of your points are lacking context. But understandable points. But I disagree with a few of them.

@shamrock73

6 ай бұрын

​​@@roblowe1622yeah I'd be bitter to if my goat got cooked by a role player in the finals.

@WillyP313

6 ай бұрын

Delusional

I just realized I’ve been watching Dom2k for six years because I remember when the video came out 🤦🏾‍♂️😂😂wow dude is Unc at this point

You can watch Ben Taylor's video about highest peaks and he touched on how Jordan use to gamble a lot on defense and yea I know it was a coaching scheme but still.

@coolKid-pm1rm

6 ай бұрын

He did gamble excessively but he also had elite hands so there weren’t too many games where his gambling actually compromised the team defense. Bron is the better defender out of the 2 tho

@rex6830

6 ай бұрын

Man jordan gambling what a suprise on and off the court😭

@Nickgonelie

6 ай бұрын

I love Ben’s video aka Thinking Basketball on Greatest Peaks. I 100% trust his analysis over these “sports analysts” we see on TV.

@sideshowbobsaget8876

6 ай бұрын

​​@@coolKid-pm1rmJordan was a better & more impactful defender than LeBron

@tdup191

6 ай бұрын

​@@coolKid-pm1rm DPOY: MJ 1 Bron 0. All Def 1st Team MJ 9 Bron 5... the math ain't mathing on Bron being better defender 😂

It's still not close 😂😂😂

@ryancruz3143

3 ай бұрын

For real! Jordan never beat a great team. 2012 okc is better than any team Jordan faced

Damn the Draymond and Liangelo jokes are part of the reason why my young ass fell in love with Dom’s channel lol

Its crazy how much your voice has deepened

@bryantndongmo4780

6 ай бұрын

bro watch his OLD videos. it's crazy

@OneSideofFries

6 ай бұрын

Mic quality

The 2011 finals is where he lost any chance for making that argument. How tf do you get owned by Jason Terry and can't backdown JJ Barea in the post lmao

@br5073

6 ай бұрын

That’s how you know Kobe and Mj would beat him 1v1

@Ghostkiller__166

6 ай бұрын

Fun fact: That imagine of Barea guarding LeBron in the post LeBron made that shot.

@felipemendes5336

6 ай бұрын

Nba fans are not real bro 😂😂

@georgebad4229

6 ай бұрын

You just proving you are a casual

@b111x

6 ай бұрын

The 2011 series was just the 4th time in which Lebron’s horrendous performance lead to his team losing. He had 3 others prior to that year where he was as bad if not worse. 4 horrible series’s in losses compared to MJs 0 for his career.

So in 6 years you unlearned ball. Sad to see.

Damn time flies I remember when the video came out, now its 6 years

Does anyone know where the soundtrack in the intro is from? I’m 95 percent sure it’s from ratchet and clank I just can’t remember which one

@hollo507

6 ай бұрын

Yea it's from rachet and clank

As a Jordanstan, we excuse him a lot in 1995. But era-wise, I would imagine Jordan being a Giannis ethic with Kobe skills. His mentality is something that transcends era. No other player is like him. LeBron at best, will be a much more skilled and superior basketball IQ-equipped Scottie Pippen with leadership skill. Anybody who were alive during The Decision knew very well, how big the 2011 failure is.

Wait did you just say defense is more complex now? What defense? The greatest player ever cannot stand around on D or Flop all over the court😂

@user-lh8zz6st5r

6 ай бұрын

Ydkb

Bro posted a part 2 at the right time!

Jordan better.

Simplest answer is one guy has to tell you he’s the goat. The other guy everyone besides him for the most part tells you he is the goat 🤷‍♂️

LeBron hasn’t good defense in a while now. He either quits on defense or walks back on defense leaving his team 4 vs 5.

@derpcoco7968

6 ай бұрын

you clearly dont watch games and only look at lowlighjts

@okeythegoat2332

6 ай бұрын

Lmao 😂goofy ass take. Watch games fool and he’s old too fool

@mydogsnameislucy768

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@derpcoco7968he’s 100% right.

@dododump3144

6 ай бұрын

@@mydogsnameislucy768no he isn’t

Today we dealing with this "done with this done with the 90s" stuff

You just subscribe to the fact Lebron was supposed to win a DPOY with 0 research? 😂😂😂😂😂

@yoofij4724

6 ай бұрын

You really think there was 0 research? Very disingenuous

@EssentiallyBlack

6 ай бұрын

Bro just told someone whos done this for years that they did no research LMAOOOOOO

@whenisdinner2137

4 ай бұрын

@EssentiallyBlack they don't. None of Lebron's defensive metrics were better than Mark Gasol that year.

@vulcanraven9701

4 ай бұрын

"supposed to" nothing. He was never better than guys like Tim Duncan or a lot of centers in nba

really been 8 years

The “bigger faster stronger” argument is annoying we can quantify bron being bigger… faster and stronger? How? Kobe used to put Bron in the post. I think that’s just an espn narrative

35 minute video got me smiling

Damn dude. How do you come into more information over the years and end up being wrong? 😂

For me it ultimately comes down to the fact MJ achieved way more in way less time. Its credit to LeBron's success that he's even in the discussion and this isn't a Wayne Gretzky is the Hockey Goat thing. Kareem is in the discussion too but wasn't even mentioned before this century despite having been retired for a decade at that point.

@michaelmayers3622

6 ай бұрын

U can say king James is the goat cause he achieve more and still going at a high level compared to mj. It's basicly a flip of a coin now

@CrazyxEnigma

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelmayers3622 That's why I prefaced my statement with "for me"

@mydogsnameislucy768

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelmayers3622no he didn’t? Lebron has not matched what Jordan accomplished in 15 seasons yet and never will.

@alltheworldsastage8597

6 ай бұрын

@@mydogsnameislucy768LeBron Fanboys just don’t get it. And they literally lie about everything. Lol

@alltheworldsastage8597

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@michaelmayers3622Achieved more of what ? Counting stats ? Thats just about the only thing LeBron has “achieved” more than MJ. The video literally just shows how much MJ accomplished in such a short period of time compared to LeBron. And you still had the time to post his dumb comment.

Yo was Dom always that jacked? Good for him man

the Draymond roast was hilarious 6 years later because its just as relevant lol

Damn Dom became a casual after all these years smh 😂 Media propaganda worked on him smh 😂

@gregd806

6 ай бұрын

I sadly Agree...

@Josh-sk5xd

6 ай бұрын

@@gregd806 He was always a young cat from this generation. He didn’t see the 80’s, 90’s, and some of the early 00’s live in person like some of us smh He’s being completely a prisoner of the moment knowing very well that the game is played completely different due to the rules. Players today appear “more skilled” due to the rules but they really ain’t more skilled. Midrange & post play, post entry passes, defense etc etc is none existent now. 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s had a great blend of EVERYTHING. Now it’s just chucking up 3’s with little to really nothing else and that’s not being more skilled. It’s exactly the opposite, today players are less skilled because majority don’t even know the fundamentals. Dom knows this but again, he’s being a prisoner of the moment smh

@percivalpineda3219

6 ай бұрын

Nope, he has seen the light

@peewee0224

6 ай бұрын

Or and hear me out maybe after going up and learning more about the game he changed his perspective and it’s actually you who’s the sheep blindly following narratives you’re told to.

@Josh-sk5xd

6 ай бұрын

@@peewee0224 Whatever kid 😂 You like watching one of the famous players today CONSISTENTLY Air Ball Free Throws 😂 more power to ya lolz smh

This is a made up drama. It's never been close. You can't make a good argument for Lebron that doesn't rely on being a modern NBA supremacist. By any measure, Jordan was farther ahead of his contemporaries.

I remember the OG video coming out, jesus christ what a trip Since then Lebron and Curry have won rings, Boston made a finals, the Nuggets got their first ring, Milwaukee won, Phoenix turned on the jets, the sixers have been a serious 2nd round exit contender as usual, Miami has been on the grind going to 2 finals, one as the 8th seed And that’s without the context of a global pandemic

the man behind the soothing voice all these years

@trell2100

6 ай бұрын

you just now seeing his face lol?

@binary1101010

6 ай бұрын

@@trell2100 the whole channel also 🤣

Are you ever gonna finish the "did he quit" series? I really messed with that one but I understand why you never finished it.

@CrazyxEnigma

6 ай бұрын

I could've sworn he did a Kobe one for that series but it's gone.

@fanofanimation4293

6 ай бұрын

​@CrazyxEnigma He did upload a Kobe one, but he deleted it shortly afterward because he realized he made a mistake in the video. Unfortunately, Kobe died shortly after that and Dom never re-uploaded the video.

@CrazyxEnigma

6 ай бұрын

@@fanofanimation4293 Ah, thanks for the clarification.

Man I remember watching the OG video with my brother years ago. Shit is crazy

5:48-5:54 *Season 21 as of 1/18/2024 12:12-12:26 The 2012-2013 NBA season

I struggle to see how much more.skilldd todays players are when most of what they do as "Moves" would be considered traveling and carrying bsck then... I saw a video of Rod Strickland doing a euro 💶 Step and get called for Traveling none of that James Harden BS would be allowed and the Hesitant dribble move to fake ppl out was a travel... i remeber trying stuff like that and getting called for it and my hand was on TOP of the ball i just brought my off hand up to simulat a shot i didn't touch the ball but because the ball came up to high above my waist the called travel i even talked to them after the game and they agreed 👍 it proably wasnt but its so close they had to call it... bro if the past could bend the rules like they can now they would have becuase they were already doing it in street basketball...

@rafikz77

6 ай бұрын

That’s because you have zero knowledge of the game

@rmelo2382

6 ай бұрын

@@rafikz77nah you’re not the one to criticise.

@yea3702

6 ай бұрын

cause you like 45

@martialartist3953

6 ай бұрын

the NBA made the game easier for offense. more defensive fouls (less contact), allowing carrying & double dribbling. free throws especially are a huge problem right now. the game we used to know now is just throw a shot up and fall into them and hope to go to the line

@tiktokexposed898

6 ай бұрын

Those refs were just flat out wrong. And today's players have to play smarter than in the past

I think either have a good case, it’s just always this false pretense of being objective when its become how much of LeBron career matches jordan from Jordan fans, and not each guy’s unique case. It almost seems like multiple forms of gatekeeping and I don’t see it for almost any other conversation except Bron v Jordan (okay Bron v Kobe but cmon)

@TambayLogic

6 ай бұрын

accolades = jordan, rings = jordan.. whats the debate?

@MrSlashblade

6 ай бұрын

@@TambayLogic rings = Russell, accolades = Wilt/Kareem

@TambayLogic

6 ай бұрын

only thing going for lebron is longevity and that too is also artificial.. compare lebron to other 20season players like duncan and kareem even kobe.. those guys played 70++ games even on their 15th-20th season kobe only 17th season because of injury.. lebron plays 40-60 games a season since joining the lakers.. thats not longevity.. if given the same treatment those legendary players would make absurd PER game stat like lebron is doing.. imagine playing hard this day and resting the other then playing hard again the next.. its complete bullshit that is also why lebron led lakers is always a play-in team and always trading players to compensate on lebrons weakness

@MrSlashblade

6 ай бұрын

@ispeakfactsbruh no objectively speaking I can’t find the one reason. You go rings 11 > 6, mvps 6 (where Kareem has 6 rings as well) > 5, even the finals record not only does Hondo beat him 8-0, but if we are going to be completely honest 11-1 sh*ts on 6-0 especially when after his second year the rest of his career is 10-0. But I see conditions that are out of Russell and Kareem’s control and are penalized against them. But you throw the same objections to Jordan you are a hater. It just comes off as twist the standard until Jordan is 1. And that makes it subjective

@MrSlashblade

6 ай бұрын

@@TambayLogic tell me how is playing the highest level of professional basketball and being constantly the best or arguably the best for over two decades, artificial? You just sound like what I said, you can’t just give the nod that longevity is not just a positive argument it’s one of the best arguments to have. And it frustrates y’all to know that Bron kinda wins against anybody whether it be Jordan/Kobe/Russell/ Kareem . Also a good amount of lebrons low games is because of a literal pandemic, and something tells me the difference between Kareem’s 12 ppg or Duncan 13 ppg or Kobe 17 ppg is not essentially a 10 game difference. It’s not like LeBron is slowly going out, he has been a 27 ppg scorer as a laker. Like it or not that won’t drop to 15 ppg just because he adds an extra 10 also he isn’t resting he’s usually injured. I mean imagine if somebody said Kobe should be harshly criticized in 2014 and 2015 by calling him lazy rather then realize he had an Achilles injury at 34 with 17 years on his body from the age of 17. But LeBron gets picked apart because he at 35-39 can’t play 70 games?

BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE RATCHET AND CLANK 3 THEMING MUSIC

Dom look like Donald glover 21 savage in this vid lol

I can't take the opinion of someone who still says Lebron was "bigger, faster, stronger" seriously. I don't know what happened to your perspective but you definitely had a much more realistic understanding of the game in your first video. Just seems like modern narratives are more important to you now. People like to downplay Jordan's era and competition in order to justify his dominance. It's extremely disingenuous to imply that Lebron had to face tougher defenses when there's no hand checking allowed now and he's playing in the easiest to score era in modern history. They publicly stated the reasons for changing the rules, they wanted more scoring and wanted the game to be easier for perimeter players. You can see scoring and shooting percentages across for all players immediately climbing up after the rule change. Defense was literally too strong in the 90's/early 2000's and we're now trying to say defenses weren't good back then lmao.

@zxcvb3772

6 ай бұрын

You could also find video/interview of Adam Silver saying this exact thing. He said he's trying to make the NBA easier to score now because the 90's was too tough and slow. Don't know what happened to NBA fans today that just spread lies all the time. The commissioner said that he wanted to make offense easier to attract fans, coaches said it's impossible to play defense in today's era because of the rules, players said euro ball have tougher rules and it's easier to score in the NBA.. yet NBA fans be like: Today's defense is tough! There is a reason a year 19, 37 years old Lebron was able to average 30 ppg in 2022 when he had only done that twice previously in his career, in his prime. There is a reason why there are so many 25ppg scorers in today's league and it's not because they're all all time great, but because of the rules change.

@Taj_Rahine

6 ай бұрын

@@zxcvb3772 Exactly

@ramsfan1988

6 ай бұрын

You do know lebron played since 2003 right? How easy was it to score in 2005 or 2006 when he was already putting up MVP production at 20 years old. You can't use the argument he's doing it because of this era when dude literally played the last 2 decades. Check the team scoring numbers from the 2000s. They were actually scoring more in the 90s. Didn't change lebrons production though just like it wouldn't change Jordans. Greatness works in any era.

@Taj_Rahine

6 ай бұрын

@@ramsfan1988 Yes I do know when Lebron started playing, but do you know anything about basketball? Lebron played only one season with handchecking, that's it. I already said defenses were strong in the early 00's. Scoring has gotten easier and easier since then. But my comment wasn't even about Lebron's scoring, it's about the claim that defense was weak in the 90's. There is no evidence so support that claim, all he said was Jordan used "basic moves against Majerle", which is wild. 90's had some of the best defensive players of all time, no defensive 3 seconds, and physical play. Say what you want about physical play, but it definitely made scoring more difficult not easier.

@ramsfan1988

6 ай бұрын

@@Taj_Rahine I agree but I think individual defenders are better. Rules are rules. That's why there is no accurate way to compare different eras. Also, someone like lebron would benefit greatly on defense if he could hand check. It works both ways. Don't think we're really in disagreement though.

I think for the GOAT debate, especially when we have players so talented and accomplished, we have to look at the impact of the game. I think Jordan was key to growing the NBA to the overseas market, and the #23 is so iconic compared to everyone, even the #24.

@zxcvb3772

6 ай бұрын

If we're being honest about the impact of the game, both Kobe and Curry are way more known than Lebron James around the world. Kobe's Lakers and Curry's Warriors brought in so many fans.

@Commandosoap777

6 ай бұрын

@@zxcvb3772this is arguable but lebron was getting national tv time as a 16 year old pre KZread

@derpcoco7968

6 ай бұрын

lebron didnt change the game, he was just really good@@zxcvb3772

Season 21 which is even crazier!

Is this like a slight retraction video??

Imo 2017-18 is pretty much the same as today except more 3s but it pretty much was fully into the swing of uptempo faster pace play of ball as the warriors effect was taking its strong hold but slowly its changing slowly but pretty much IMHO nothing changed but eventually it will

Comparing players from eras is pretty dumb. It's been my opinion for awhile now. It's so hard to compare players from the past from modern day because i think genuinely think if you were to take 2018 Harden or Steph and place them in 1995 they're going to be unstoppable. There were no players who played like them. Let alone could guard that level of skill. Take MJ and put him in 1974 and he's averaging 50ppg. There's no one stopping that

@kevineiford2153

6 ай бұрын

Anyone with eyes should agree with you, but nobody will admit it

@Josh-sk5xd

6 ай бұрын

You had Chris Jackson, Kenny Anderson, Nick Van Excel, Rod Strickland, and countless others Try again Thing is that it was too physical plus the Rules of that day and players of that day were too superior which didn’t allow those players that I mentioned to be viewed as superstars

@zxcvb3772

6 ай бұрын

DISAGREE. Jordan would not average 50 in 1974, nor will James Harden dominate the 90's. Today's players carry the ball almost every possession and travel on half of them. You could pick a random game to watch and pause on random play and you'll see them either carrying the ball or traveling or flopping.

@zxcvb3772

6 ай бұрын

Adam Silver talked about the 90's basketball and said it was too physical and slow paced. He's trying to make today's basketball less physical and faster paced to entice casual basketball fans, and he did it. Anyone that is not biased can see that it is easier to play in today's NBA. There is a reason Lebron was able to average 30 ppg in year 19, age 37 when he had only done so twice in his prime. The infamous Harden step back is a travel. The funny irony that Steph Curry once tried to do the Harden step back and was called a travel, but when Harden did it, it wasn't called a travel.

@JohnDoe-ky5uo

6 ай бұрын

It’s not unreasonable to say if mj and LBJ switched eras LBJ Sophie’s be way better than Jordan

Dom is lowkey majestic

Maturing is realizing that goat debates accomplish nothing 😂

The goat debate really ended after 2011. Stacked his team vs dirk and got cooked by dirk and dirk was an one man army vs lebron stacked Miami team and he lebron lost in 6 games in the finals after having a 2-1 led

@Robertedwinhouse38

6 ай бұрын

Dirk dpoy Tyson chandler and Jason Kidd. Can you name a better lineup that Jordan faced

@mike04574

6 ай бұрын

kidd at 38 not 28. Even Lebron fans will admit it was a choke and inexcusable@@Robertedwinhouse38

@FitGuyAZ577

6 ай бұрын

@@Robertedwinhouse38almost all of them lol 😂

@Robertedwinhouse38

6 ай бұрын

@@FitGuyAZ577 name the starting lineup

@rowen4989

6 ай бұрын

you'd be right if he never won a ring after that series, he choked but he redeemed himself mutiple times.

kobe bryant is the closest to michael jordan!!!!!

Why if is simple does it need to be 35 min+?

I remember the video you revisited here. Was it really five years ago?🤨

Idk man, to me every time I hear somebody trying to defend Lebum, all I hear is soooo many excuses, but at the end of the day, he WAS one of the most amazing players ever, but the reality is very simple, He's a much bigger loser than winner, for every amazing stat he has, for every great achievement he has, he has an equally huge choke or bad thing, 4 rings? 6 loses with huge chokes, most points ever? Most turn overs, most missed shots, most playoff loses, etc. Yes he is amazing and what he has done in his career can't be taken lightly at all and yes he WAS amazing, but the reality is that for all the good there is equal or more bad. MJs career was not perfect, but you said it so well, there's not a single time where you can say MJ choked SO hard...

@mvalentino5650

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. I’m a big Wilt Chamberlain fan and I say the same thing about him. He was also bigger and stronger than everyone else and he also put up amazing numbers, but at the end of the day, Wilt got his ass handed to him A LOT. He cared more about stats than winning.

best formula for greatest all time players is awards + accolades + accomplishments + regular per game stats + advanced per game stats + career length + consistency + winning i have a list that compiles the leaders all of these and unsurprisingly jordan is #1 wilt is #2 but some numbers are close and depending on context could make lower players interchangeable so tier lists are better than numbered lists tbh

Someone in the comments said it best. Certain people only watch videos like this for self validation, the ones that understand greatness from any man can’t truly be compared and only tiered(1a1b1c/2a2b etc.) Know how to judge off the love of the game instead of bias.

“B Saul’s” is Hilarious

Mike was faster

I’m the same age as Dom, so I’m not some old head and I’ve watched LeBron’s entire career. For me it comes down to one question, if your life literally depended on winning a championship in one season, which guy are you taking? One man to lead your team on offense and defense, superteam, not superteam, or single other allstar, for your life. Not who’s going to score more points or get more rebounds, etc. And for me, in this era or any other era, there’s no way in hell I’m taking anyone but Michael Jordan.

@ryancruz3143

6 ай бұрын

The only thing is that Jordan never beat the best. LBJ had to beat 73-9 warriors, dynasty spurs with added Kwai Leonard and Danny green setting finals 3pt records, and thunder big 4 where they were the favorite over heat. Jordan had to wait for bird, Magic, and bad boys leftovers

@dportillo25

6 ай бұрын

@@ryancruz3143that’s because Jordan and the bulls were the best. They were the 72-10 team, the equivalent to the spurs dynasty. I think that deserves credit on its own- the fact that Jordan and his team were so much better than the competition.

@ryancruz3143

6 ай бұрын

@@dportillo25 Jordan was never the best. Birds Celtics showtime and bad boys were best. Jordan had to wait till they fell apart to beat them. LBJ beat the best of the best

@dportillo25

6 ай бұрын

@@ryancruz3143 you could argue the same with Lebron. He didn’t win until 7-8 years in the league. It is rare for a young player to win out the gate. And besides Jordan swept the Pistons a year after they defeated him in consecutive years.

@ryancruz3143

6 ай бұрын

@@dportillo25 that pistons team was crippled. Bulls odds for pistons series was -280 for a reason 🙄

24:35 and 34:37 - Would’ve loved to see you make a video on this. I feel like this is the primary argument that people use to deflate Jordan’s accomplishments. It sucks that you’re retiring.

yes rings shouldn't be dismissed but some rings have more value than others. like would you say KD's gsw 2017 2018 rings have the same value as bron's 2016 ring? same goes with mj, compare his finals competition with bron's

MJ in 13 years: 10 scoring titles 9 all defensive awards Defensive player of the year 200+ steals 100+ blocks twice (only player) Led league in steals 3 seasons 6-0 finals record 6 finals mvp 5 mvp 626 games (9 year streak) without losing 3 in a row Only player to get MVP, championship, Finals mvp, Scoring title, and All defensive award in a season. He also did it 4 times. Still leader in PER and win shares with VORP per game Leads in all time buzzer beater clutch shots in history while being 50% clutch shooter Only player to lead the top 10 lowest scoring supporting cast to titles Played against 50+win opponents in post season 73% of the time. All the while having only 1 all star. Lebron in 21 years 1 scoring title Most points scored ever 6 all defensive awards 0 defensive player of the year 4-6 finals record (losing record) 4 finals mvp 4 mvp leads in turnovers 2nd leader in most missed layups 2nd leader in most missed shots 20% clutch shooter Played against 50+ win opponents in post season 53% of the time All the while having all star supporting cast: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis.

Yeah as time has went on accolades as a whole start feeling a little hollow because you start looking through the fallacy of some of the things, like voter fatigue and preconceived notions.

@TambayLogic

6 ай бұрын

scoring titles doesnt need voters.. steals leader doesnt need voters.. heck even lebron benefitted on voters in his laker years where he didnt deserve being an all NBA player because he only plays half the season

@lostnemesis

6 ай бұрын

@@TambayLogic never brought up anything about those and when I made that comment and brought up voter fatigue I was literally thinking about Jordan missing a few MVPs from his trophy case so check yourself 😂

@peewee0224

6 ай бұрын

@@TambayLogicyes but scoring titles are highly contextually to the league. For example you could average 40 in 1965 and still not get the scoring title because of wilt.

Was it the 2018 run that did it for you?

I reference this video when debating the goat daily

6 years later and MJ still the goat by a landslide not even remotely close. Gonna be real sad for Bron fans when the PED use comes out.

@joanoliva8623

6 ай бұрын

People still think LeBron uses PEDs? The cope is insane lmao. LeBron is so genetically superior than any player it makes people feel insecure.

@nathan1118

6 ай бұрын

Cold Blooded FACTS. People won’t believe it though, even with undeniable proof.

@rogerwescott2301

6 ай бұрын

​@@nathan1118It is going to happen about his peds It is gonna get real ugly.

@percivalpineda3219

6 ай бұрын

Wake up dude

@rowen4989

6 ай бұрын

all pros take PEDs lmao

And with the players being better by default that mean all the players today should be better than mj I never understood that how can u not say that you would have to say mj would be average due to the skill level and every great before today

@peewee0224

6 ай бұрын

The avenger player is better than the average player from before really not hard to rap your head around.

Was it their game plan to let Terry score or drive? Cuz he should not have blown by Bron like that so many times.

Bron has never had the stats to deserve a dpoy

Fun fact, Terry Cummings outplayed Michael Jordan in a postseason series. I guess you can say LeBron and MJ got owned by Terry’s 😂

@zxcvb3772

6 ай бұрын

You mean rookie MJ? Lol

@ranholic5027

6 ай бұрын

lol Prime 2011 Lebron got raped by role player barea and Terry and that was a rookie mj what a dumb comparison..