Wow, the Rainworld fandom has started to translate another language just to learn more lore about the cat-slug game. Can't wait for another dlc release where players are able to decrypt entire essays, and just make their own language from it.

@cailleach8416

10 ай бұрын

Phyrexian 2:

@cianhuelle

10 ай бұрын

Electric boogaloo

@Shikyorei

10 ай бұрын

The Hollow Knight fandom did this too with the various signs throughout the game; it's honestly so amazing seeing communities come together to parse out all the little details like these!

@arnoldgila9212

10 ай бұрын

4 chan got notting on us

@Harbin_07

10 ай бұрын

I learned it too. I know karma meanings (besides 3rd and 4th) and passageway meanings. And in an old rw title, Rainworld phrase is also shown in Ancients' language. So we know what means "Rainworld"in that language. Also I like to call it Ancient Rain Language or simply Rain Language

At around 3:20, you say that Spearmaster likely does not have the mark of communication because Suns didn't think communication was necessary. This is explicitly disproven in one of the broadcasts findable in their campaign, in which Suns explains to NSH that they didn't give Spearmaster the mark largely because it only allows for one-way communication, and Suns wanted Spearmaster to be able to talk back to them, so Suns taught Spearmaster sign language instead of just giving them the mark.

@Speed001

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the clarification.

@-fragment-

10 ай бұрын

imagine spearmaster giving pebbles the middle finger after he ripped open his chest

@pumpkin_pants3828

10 ай бұрын

​@@-fragment-scugs dont even have middle fingers :(

@Speed001

10 ай бұрын

@@pumpkin_pants3828 Spearmaster will make one

@MaruArts10021

10 ай бұрын

@@pumpkin_pants3828 if you have three fingers on each hand, the ones in the middle will be the middle finger. Therefore, the pointer doubles as the middle finger.

Saint's ice age being caused by all of the iterators dying is actually directly explained in one of the Spearmaster's broadcasts, particularly in the conversation between Gazing Stars and some unknown iterator in the anonymous group "Refuge Upon Three Jewels": *GS:* So, what do you think is going to happen to the world? Once we all... you know. *HR:* Discover a reproducable, portable, and global solution for ascension, or when we all drop dead? *GS:* Well, in either case really. *HR:* I'm not really sure myself. At this point I think our rain might be the only source of heat on the surface. It has been that way for a very long time.

@zhe6th215

10 ай бұрын

How rain can be the heat source? I don't get it

@randomwolfygirl

10 ай бұрын

​@zhe6th215 Well, it's more of the steam that the iterations themselves produce when they absorb water that produce the heat and rain.

@neo1410

10 ай бұрын

@@zhe6th215 The rain exist because the iterator cans constantly heat up the water to vapor, and made it rains everywhere in the world, therefore the later iterator can are being built everywhere without the need to be directly next to bodies of water because water is everywhere (from the rain)

@DeadlyMouse7

10 ай бұрын

​@zhe6th215 the rain is from the giant amounts of steam from the iterators and steam isn't cold

@EeveeMaster547

10 ай бұрын

​@@zhe6th215water can be hot But talking realistically, the Rain is caused by water vapour from the Iterator superstructures. That wouldn't exactly be freezing cold. Plus all of the other operating processes they run would cause a massive amount of heat.

According to the dev commentary, Rivulet is apparently a traveler slugcat that just so happened to stumble upon an iterator. Whether or not Rivulet was given the pearl or just stole it is unexplained.

@DelightfulLightBasement

10 ай бұрын

Try not to bring up dev headcanons while discussing lore challenge **IMPOSSIBLE**

@Crayon_Egbert

10 ай бұрын

if they can make the theory of sos making Saint wrong, anything they say is canon so ig it is important to lore

@zenphir9051

10 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure dev headcannon IS canon.

@EeveeMaster547

10 ай бұрын

@@zenphir9051 not always. Dev headcanon can just mean "I personally like to think this, but y'all shouldn't take it as Word of God and are free to come up with your own ideas instead"

@Train_lizard

9 ай бұрын

I see it more likely riv stole it, scavengers like porls, and considering how the start of riv’s campaign plays out, as well as how scavs seem to like colored ones more, riv is a THEIF

Rivulet's Pearl seems really intentional. It's basically a drawn path to the linear power rail (which houses the Rarefaction Cell). Moon also mentions that the lymphatic conduit is of a more modern iterator model, such as Five Pebbles. Cystic Conduit makes a lot of sense.... Rivulet seems to have been sent with the mission to retrieve a Rarefaction Cell from a modern iterator such as Pebbles, or Pebbles himself. It'd be funny if it was Unparalleled Innocence casually attempting Cell theft tbh

@Charmlie.R

10 ай бұрын

I was looking to say the same, at first it just seemed random with pebbles ignoring it and moons description feeling irrelevant at the time. But with greater context, it definitely seems to be a 'rough' guide through a pebbles-esque structure, to a 'location we end up needing to go to' esque map. Plus the mark, seems likely they were expected to find moon or maybe pebbles, and use this knowledge to basically do what we do in the campaign. Of course reality doesn't have every plot device work, and this feels like one of those. It could have been used as a story point, maybe pebbles reads and is able to map it for you instead of sending you blind... But alas, it goes unused beyond lore for us here and now.

@froginabucket7294

10 ай бұрын

I think it was NSH still being butthurt at pebbles and went “nah I’m just kill this mfer now”

@bro748

10 ай бұрын

If you read the dev commentary, Rivulet was explicitly not intended to be a purposed slugcat. Though what's seen in-game is left open enough for that to be possible, the devs wanted Rivulet to basically be a wandering super-slug.

@EeveeMaster547

10 ай бұрын

@@bro748 just because Riv isn't a purposed scug doesn't mean someone couldn't have given 'em the Mark and pearl in hopes they'd do something.

@amandamimic2725

10 ай бұрын

Haha, and here my headcannon was UP made Riv to try and help Pebs, out of regret for being mean to him in the past -but you know what? She probably did just send crack rat with the intention of being mean!

About number 5, this actually exists in the real world, in the form of self-healing concrete. The name encompasses a few different methods of self-healing, including bacteria that generate calcium carbonate. Another method is the reason that lots of Roman concrete has survived two millennia, as the use of imperfect lime and seawater lead to pockets of undissolved lime within the concrete, which would 'activate' when cracks in the concrete exposed these pockets to water.

@somedude4087

10 ай бұрын

this! wanted to write it up but didn't fully remember it so yea the stuff exists just not to such degree but who knows it could be expanded upon

@lechking941

10 ай бұрын

ya know, i hope we decide to return to shitter methoids for making concreate JSUT because of that roman methoid.

@somedude4087

10 ай бұрын

@@lechking941 I mean, bigger problem is how much stress the shit goes through and the costs

@JacobPDeIiNoNi

10 ай бұрын

So it turns out Ancient Rome was, quite literally, built different

the developer logs you can find actually hint at some things such as riv's origin and why saint is so cold. don't remember them exactly but one said something along the lines of "maybe reviving a dying god at the expense of another is just an average day in the life of rivulet" and for saint's campaign a different log talks about how "the dying of iterators might have reverted the world to its natural state". not canon ofc but just something to think about

@lechking941

10 ай бұрын

hm not cannonical but likly is true to world state. so maybe at somepoint the anicents built huge systems to create steam, making the world abitable more then just bellow the ground, as something says part of me says the void is a mcguffin equal to the dead core of the planet a place so cold and deep even it has forgotten the lifelessness.

@sayvionwashington1939

10 ай бұрын

Rivulet potentially being the iterator equivalent of the Grim Reaper is hella funny.

@wanderingvagrant1551

10 ай бұрын

Cant wait for daz to analyze all of those

@pushkins26

7 ай бұрын

@@sayvionwashington1939 Ruffles the bringer of death

About number 3, the developer commentary confirms this! the "ice age" was already present in the entire world even as the iterators were functional, and the iterators itself acted as a "safe space" with all the heat they emanated, you can see this if you go to the right place on looks to the moon, where it was already snowing at the rivulet campaign

@alejotassile6441

10 ай бұрын

Also the number 2, developer commentary kinda "Implies" that rivulet wasn't designed as an iterator, she just is crazy like that and probably visited another iterator before lol

I have a theory for what the symbols at 14:15 represent is iterators. The sun looking one is red, and also SRS has a sun on his forehead, and the green one is paired with hunter. These could be something about in what way each iterator helped, such as Hunter coming from NHS to revive her and pebbles giving her his refraction cell. Though, I'm not sure what the gray one means. Could be SOS or some other iterator such as Chasing Wind or even someone else.

@Reynnan123

10 ай бұрын

I feel like the orange symbol is SRS due to the second message seemingly having being sent by it and the rarefaction cell being mentioned in it Would somewhat explain where rivulet came from as rivulet definitely has MANY modifications and SRS made them specialized for water due to the overseers most likely showing that moon collapsed Something that also supports it is that SRS is the only iterator confirmed to have full control over it's facility (I think) and rivulet being fully normal without any hunter shenanigans

@ionelcapraru7322

10 ай бұрын

I actually had a similar theory! I think the grey symbol wich turns blue and the Orange one below it wich turns grey represent Moon and Pebbles respectively, with Moon's symbol lighting up once she gets the Rarefaction Cell and at the same time Pebbles' becoming grey as he loses the last of his power. This is also supported by the fact above the Rarefaction Cell symbol you can see the Pebbles symbol, wich could be associating the Cell to Pebbles.

@wilczus222

10 ай бұрын

I think you're onto something!

@nikolireva237

10 ай бұрын

@@Reynnan123 but there are also red icon with sun symbol which is more telling imo, i feel like orange icon is pebbles instead, since he is the one who gave rivulet the task to give the cell and when moon was reading pebbles' message that picture with orange icon popped up

@colfy3961

10 ай бұрын

@@ionelcapraru7322 YOU'RE A GENIUS!! Dude i've been wondering since downpour came out why 2 of the symbols change to grey! i always just thought it was chasing wind LOL, but this makes so much more sense. i literally love you

13:36 The symbols in moon's data sheets probably just represent other iterators. The symbol on Hunter's one is not a neuron, but NSH's symbol and the red sun is, well, SRS's. The orange one might be Pebbles' and the blue one Moon's seeing how the blue one is grayed out when Moon is out of order and the other one is related to the rarefaction cell and grays out when Pebbles is.

@freekhoogveld9185

10 ай бұрын

Hey this makes sense! Would also explain the orange symbol on the second one, it shows that the rarefaction cell came from pebbles I think

@WilliamButcher26566

9 ай бұрын

Wonder why it shows NSH twice on the right hand sheet

@dusty21134

8 ай бұрын

​@@WilliamButcher26566I assumed that little box on the right was the mention of unread messages, like a little display of the most recent or something

@Jaymic

Ай бұрын

I'm also fairly certain the green symbol is the symbol on the Iterator's head that is holding the Hunter in its main ending.

What if the karma symbols also doubled as numbers? So iterators were also numbered via a karma symbol, just a random idea

@NovaAge

10 ай бұрын

Seeing how consistent the post-karma-level-5 symbols are, I'd argue that they are not numbers. On top of that; as scavengers seem to understand the glyphs to a low extent, I cannot see why they would mark their territory/potential friend with the number 3. Although I do like the idea of reverse French; where it started off stupid and they decided to do it right halfway through, instead of doing it properly at first but giving up until they ended up with "Sir, you were going four-twentys-ten-eight in a sixty-ten zone."

@zymosan99

10 ай бұрын

@@NovaAge I think that the Ancients use base 6, and that the everything after the first 5 digits isn't meant as a number. However, they also represent concepts, and the wiki literally says that the karma 3 symbol probably means friendship or trading, proven by one of the tapestries that it's found on. That would also explain why Moon's heart is labeled with the karma 1 through 5.

@light_thunder3646

7 ай бұрын

Karma symbols could also represent something to do with time as they have a relationship with cycles and increase or reduce each time you finish a cycle

Saint and Rivulet: **breathes** Daszombes: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!

I believe it is the green Metropolis pearl that best explains (at least in my opinion) the difference in appearance between Moon's city and Pebbles' city. Pebbles' transcription states that the Precipice was built for "a mass migration of citizens out of Moon's city." This explains (again, in my opinion) why Pebbles' city is so much larger, more residential and more jumbled, as it would have had to accommodated the populations of both cities, necessitating mass expansion of housing. If you can find a way to get this same Pearl to Moon (through expedition or otherwise) she further adds that it was due to "oversights (...) in the long term scalability and sustainability of some of [her] functions" meaning Pebbles' cityscape has to some degree been shaped by a massive resource-related refugee crisis. Also, keep up the fantastic content Daszombes!

I think Rivulet's pearl is pertinent. It specifically highlights the rarefaction cell and how to get to it inside of a "newer" iterator, ie Pebbles. My guess is that an Iterator beyond our local group is aware of the state that Moon is in, possibly aware of the state that Pebbles is in as well, and comes up with their own plan of how to help Moon specifically; perhaps out of malice or sense of justice against Pebbles, or in a desperate or misinformed desire to help Moon. Moon hazards a guess that Riv is from beyond NSH or CW, supporting that it's not a local Iterator. They either created or came into contact with Riv, gave them the mark of communication so that the pearl could be read to them, and put their faith and plan into the little wet guy. It lines up nicely with a common theme of the other slug cats, that being a huge amount of faith is placed into the smallest of creatures. Small hopes, that despite the odds, just might make it. At 14:06, these could be messages, as some of the symbols line up with Iterators we know, like SRS and NSH. The grey one could be CW. The orange one which I don't have an Iterator to match it with, has the rarefaction cell in the footer. That could be the mystery Iterator who sent riv, having sent a message that they were trying to help, only Moon wouldn't have received it until being powered on again. Edit: On closer inspection, the messages at the end are probably just Moon and Pebbles. Blue and orange are their colors, and the greyed out versions likely correspond to their disconnection from from the Iterator discord group after suffering can opener failure.

Another interesting thing about inspectos is that they will glow red when near DLLs, but they wont attack them. Perhaps that's because they still recognise it as the part of 5p

14:06 I reckon the orange symbol represents 5 Pebbles, considering the orange colour + 5 circles on the symbol. The other symbols could possibly represent other iterators

@mikeoxsmal69

10 ай бұрын

plus the major fact that its his

@DelightfulLightBasement

10 ай бұрын

I think this might be proven because I’m quite sure Moon brings that screen up while apparently reading a message from Five Pebbles, but don’t quote me on that.

I’ve always imagined that saint just wants to flick off the entire void sea. The state of the void seems to have extremely unstable factors, and any ascensions could just make the entire place collapse. Because the guardians were programmed to defend the void, they try to get most creatures away from said void. Saint however… well…. he just wants to see the void burn lol.

@lechking941

10 ай бұрын

no i suspect the reasion saint dont see the leviathen maybe 1 of 2 factors i see. 1 even the void is crumbling, a echo of existance created by the anicents when they was in their zelot of primity, or 2 given his post win screen is when ya go to replay as him is the same as the echos, maybe because of his determination or designation to beoing so void touched, means he nativly CANT move on, forever tired to the dying world but more so as the one who was like silver and could move past that barrier but has not figured fully out the rest of the details. but eh ya do got a funny idea.

@bionicleapple1254

5 ай бұрын

I'd say Saint's ultimate goal is ascending every living being (or atleast just the iterators) on the planet. He could ascend, but he purposefully decides to flip off the void worms and return back to the material world, so he can get back to ascending others. This also ties nicely with the theory that Saint is the triple affirmative, and was created by Sliver of Straw as the solution to global ascension.

For the left image of the 2 Moon images, I remember seeing it while Moon is reactivated and idle in the Rivulet's Campaign

about the comparisons of moon and pebbles' cities/cans in number 6, i'm pretty sure it's been explained somewhere in one (or more) pearl(s), though im not entirely sure since it's been a while since i've reread all the pearls. We all know moon is pebble's senior or "older sister" because she was built first. pebbles was built almost in a haste since moon was an older model, she had some oversites in her construction causing it to become more dangerous to live on her as time went on. the ancients wanted to build pebbles for all the ancients that were willing to move to a much safer and modern model. once the bridge was built, they (mostly) all packed their bags and moved to pebbles. All this explains why pebbles and moon was built so closer to one another with a bridge connecting them and why pebbles was built on top of a religious citadel. Not only that, it explains why pebble's city is bigger and the other differences between the two. The buildings in moon's city could also possibly be older constructions which could explain why the buildings look different from pebble's. That, or moon's city was repurposed to a factory. Also, due to Moon being an older model with some oversites, she has more exposed internals where spearmaster was easily able to wander into unlike with pebbles where most of his internals were hidden within walls until in rivulets campaign where the rot exposed those previously hidden rooms.

@B_Skizzle

10 ай бұрын

You can see how hastily 5P was built by looking at the way his city is constructed compared to Moon's. It may be larger, but it's also more chaotic, like it was thrown together in a hurry.

Moon's "jumbled mess with a circle" looks like a city map with a compass

At 14:04 My theory for the orange symbol is that it's meant to symbolize moons heart, giving the four small dots with the giant dot in the middle, especially because the other picture is the cell you place into moon's heart. And with the picture at 15:42 adding on your theory is it might be a map, because theirs 3 symbols close together which can mean five pebbles, moon and NSH. Especially given the fact that we know they are all nearby.

@nataliazajac6130

10 ай бұрын

I thought it was 5p profile pic like the red one would be SRS and green nsh

@logtrimmer

10 ай бұрын

The white line might also indicate the order they were built. Say the first one connected to the center symbol is NSH. The line coming from NSH would lead to moon. After looping around the outside, the ancients start making the newer model iterators placing 5p in between moon and NSH. The line trailing off the image would be iterators built after 5p.

on that 3rd theory on the Ice age being caused by iterators dying, there is literally a communication in Downpour between two iterators discussing what will happen to the world when they all cease to function, which basically all but canonizes that the climate is colder because the iterators have stopped functioning. I do not know the exact communication off the top of my head at the moment, but I will try to find it and report back here with it.

@Charmlie.R

10 ай бұрын

Maybe its this but i think i remember a dev commentary node along the lines of 'why is it cold on top of moon? Same reason it's cold on top of mountains. But why not pebbles? Active iterators are hot asf, thats where the water vapor turning into torrential rain comes from'

@VortexTheBreadMan

10 ай бұрын

Exactly what I thought I’m pretty sure this is actually just stated in the game

At 2:51 you say that Rivulet is likely purposed by an iterator, but we don't actually know this for sure. The Rivulet has the Mark of Communication, yes, and they have their pearl, but it's entirely plausible that the Rivulet evolved naturally and met an iterator midway through their life. In fact, the Steam Store page for Downpour (which I don't consider to be canon, but is still worth investigating) explicitly says that the Rivulet is "an aquatic evolved slugcat". The Rivulet also opens up an interesting question, about iterators using messengers that they didn't explicitly purpose, but moreso just stumbled upon. We see this in the Rivulet's campaign when Five Pebbles sends the Rivulet off to deliver the mass rarefaction cell. Equipment damage is the most likely reason an iterator would choose a messenger like this.

@lechking941

10 ай бұрын

this idea does get supported by the fact that by this time we may see moon receving messages that proably got captured from the all calls before the system callapsed, still lodged in long term memory, but ya likly purposed organisms like spearmaster *or if it made made a mate if it did return to SRS likly would be a thing or ya rivilot who just stumbled appon a can and made their way into the center just out of curosity only to be given the task of being a messanger to the local can. something tells me the peral it has maybe a long distance scan of pebbles can and someone send rivilot to eather aid them or moon, maybe just maybe the reasion pebbles gives it the cell to transport is because he read the peral realised the critters mission and knowing his own fall gave the cell up to empower moon so she may at lest be in a less sorry state then he will be in proably a 100 cycles time if i had to guess he knew callapse was gonna happen and SOON so to minimise damage, and may as well make it useful. he gave it to moon, also the reasion i say minimise risk is because we know the singularirty bomb is likly the center of one such refactory cell (by moons word we learn there is a ton of them in a can and they are really dangerous if they go bang) but pebbles knowing his fall gave it to moon so she can survive but also to get rid of his last one that can be reached so he does not have to deal with the HUGE HOLE it would make because if somehow the cell DOES get destroied it goes like the singularity bombs and thoes do a shitting ton of damage apperintly. i suspect the bombs the scavs have are broken cells but made just stable enough to weaponize.

I would LOVE a video studying scavs. They’re such an intelligent, social, unique and fascinating part of the game.

14:08 (frame paused) Sorry sorry, as das talks about how he has no idea what the symbol at the top here could mean, I think this not only semi confirms rivulets origins, but also semi confirms a niche theory I had about ancient writing. The symbol at the top in the previous image you said was showing the slag reset key, which I think is true, except you'll notice this looks very similar to NSH's supposed crest; except shaped like a neuron fly. Well the symbol on the second image looks eerily similar to SRS's crest, and it is used in conjunction with the karma 3 symbol. The karma 3 could mean a lot of different things in this context, but all of them would fit with the idea that Suns was actually the one to send rivulet, or at least give them the mark of communication. For the "niche theory I had about ancient writing," it just confirms that iterators and maybe people had custom symbols used to represent their name in writing. The reason I thought this might be the case is because of both of the moon related achievements, which both include a small circle that seemingly has no place considering the usage of circles in writing.

Moon's "tree" diagram seems to me more like a technical drawing -- the aesthetic of green lines routed about, with circles, and possibly even diodes and capacitor or relay contact symbols, is very recognizable. The more vividly colored elements bring to mind a smoother, continuous, yet complicated and branching structure, perhaps a manifold, you might even say a _karmic manifold_. Perhaps even related to that inversion she was working on (MS yellow pearl)? The "friends list", with the magnificent symmetry of polygons and spirals, brings to mind a mandala, "a geometric configuration of symbols; in various spiritual traditions [particularly Buddhism and others], mandalas may be employed for focusing attention of practitioners and adepts, as a spiritual guidance tool, for establishing a sacred space and as an aid to meditation and trance induction" [Wikipedia]. The symbols on the chain of white circles could well be as suggested; if the overall diagram is related to spiritual research, it could be related to some common problem (what problem could it be?... or, less obviously: subproblem thereof, perhaps) the local group was collaborating on. It's too bad there's no (top-down) aerial view of the local group; then again, if one wanted to make OC/mods involving their geographic arrangement, this might be as good a start as any..! Else, the chain suggests a sequence, which could imply a numbering of the symbols; but that would be rather redundant, and more sensible might be that the symbols index a list elsewhere. It's a much less interesting idea, granted, but consider Pebbles's pearls: they're just gibberish without the context they were operating within. Proverbially: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :)

15:30 My theory as to the function of the wheel in the corner of both maps is that it serves as a compass rose with the karma symbols each representing a direction (North, East, South, West). I have no clue about the symbol in the center, however.

14:04 is most likely supposed to be 5 pebbles. The icons on the right with the writing look like symbols for other iterators

@cosmo1851

10 ай бұрын

I feel like I'm either an idiot or everyone else is I swear Moon specifically has dialogue right when this shows up saying something like " "Forgive me for what I've done this is all I could do." Oh Five Pebbles... What did you give to me?" like am i insane didnt she literally say she got a message from five pebbles??? In the other one with hunter in it doesn't she also literally say "oh NSH you were never one to give up easily"

@zeropoint7051

10 ай бұрын

​​@@cosmo1851she did in fact recieve a message from five pebbles and she does talk about hunter and nsh

At 13:46 on the Hunters page we can see a green symbol which looks almost exactly like NSH's symbol, as well as Sun's symbol on the right side (along with two others). My theory is that this is a type of e-mail, where NSH sent it out to the local group publicly where they could then receive replies from the other members. Going by this on the next page we can see an e-mail sent by an orange iterator, as well as the true colour of the iterator in the previous page (I'm not sure what the comment being greyed out means specifically). Looking at Spearmaster's broadcasts I believe that the orange iterator is Gazing Stars and the blue iterator is either Chasing Wind or Wandering Omen (I would say CW is more likely since they are in the local group). This would both mean they still have some form of communication going on between them all (maybe through purposed beings) AND that it's highly likely that Gazing Stars sent Rivulet with the pearl since his symbol is on the same page as the refraction cell.

@lechking941

10 ай бұрын

well by the time moons revived into a stable state of decay, the local com system has callapsed so i suspect if anything the messages was what remaigns of moons systems got before she made her last ever forced communication to pebbles. if anything im shure he spent what little he may eather closing him self farther from the world, or accepting her communication and running what he had left till calapsing just being a sorry soul.

13:50 so I think the symbols in the top left of this image are showing the symbols of the iterators, like their profile pictures, like the one above hunter is green and has a similar shape to nshs head thingy, which makes sense because nsh made hunter, and that symbol appears for the middle right twice, seemingly implying that these are chatlogs with nsh being the two most recent, suns after that, and then possibly grey wind? The orange one could be five pebbles (orange and 5 dots) or unparalleled innocence maybe, which is interesting since the orange appears above the rarefaction cell in the next picture, maybe saying it was pebbles who sent the rarefaction cell, or implying rivulet was sent by innocence if the orange symbol isn't pebs, but that leaves the question of why the symbols change color in the middle right in the second image

The large mishmash image and anatomy image with the nodes seem to have sections of technical circuit diagrams for large circuit boards, the symbols for capacitors, diodes and (IIRC) resistors seems to be visible, and the vessels may be a mirrored portion of a vessel mapping of the human brain. Funny how familiar data forms become meaningless, or even alien when the context is destroyed. FP's mishmash image seems to have several european metro system maps and some more technical images, perhaps images of silicon integrated circuit dies.

For number 2. i think rivulet, atleast isn't a purposed organism just from the dev commentary and moon's dialogue. The devs mentioned rivulet may have had a pretty adventurous life and that mending the bond between two Gods was just one of their many misadventures. Moon also calls their gills as natural adaptations to the world of constant flooding. Remember that everywhere else is also experiencing these rains it's not a coincidence that slugcats who evolved in a rain world are le good at traversing le rainworld For number 4. Inspectors and DDLs don't move the same way. Inspectors actually hover with their wings while DDLs use tentacles to move around. And the moving pustules are just rot that has become mobile, those DDLs attached to walls are going to break off at some point and start moving on their own through pipes like mobile cancer. The rot doesn't take in genetic material, it just consumes and replicates itself evident at saint where the rot even though it has been a really really long time hasn't changed even evolved a bit nor even adapted and remained as a reliant cancer that's dying to the elements because their host is now a barely living carcass meaning atleast the rot isn't capable of evolution, Thank the Gods it isn't For number 6. With the image of the mass refraction cell and a quite familiar 4 dots on the head. as well as a rather highly segmented sentence structure, i think that's five pebble's apology to moon that he sent after or maybe during rivulet's balls-napping escapade

Thought it was weird moon's creature diagnosis sheet has the rot cysts at the top, assuming they've already either seen something like it or it was shared enough to have information. May mean that the mobile rot cysts were not a new adaptation or maybe they just had enough time to figure out what it is and write it down.

13:43 the symbols there, from what many are saying, are likely iterators The orange one must be Five Pebbles, considering that its designating the rarefaction cell as from his can. Perhaps the graying out of the symbols represents Iterators that have gone offline/inaccessible? Also, it is very strange why there are two NSH symbols together, so maybe they're logs instead?

@wilczus222

10 ай бұрын

Also, the orange one has FIVE little rounded shapes - kind of like five... pebbles? :>

13:37 I think I know what those are, they're data sheets. Simple auto created documents with the stuff you need to know. The top is definitely a date. The weird static is probably every time a record was taken. The area below it is probably a tab list. I can't tell really what the first 3 are, since we don't see their contents but the first two might relate to processing due to the use of the neuron symbol. The 4th is probably relating to water, considering it's color and that stuff related to the slag keys are listed under it. The last tab is for sure power, considering it's related to the rarefaction cell.

15:46 i feel like it'd actually make a lot of sense if this was a diagram or visual of moon's "friends list" or essentially the local group and she's basically just checking through to see who might have sent over spearmaster.

the display at 12:21 also contains circuit notation, Most notably capacitors (the two lines separated by gaps) and Diodes(The arrows)

The yellow pearl specifies the use of a standard neural tissue for the mutating, which may be equivalent to stem cells as useful, undifferentiated tissue suitable for genetic modification. In that case there may be latent genes for the inspector movement pattern getting expressed

5:27 this is actually true, I think. If I remember right, in a conversation log, an iterator states that “our rain is the only source of heat for this world” or something like that.

To support the Iterator Climate Change theory, one conversation between Iterators discusses this very thing! In one of the transmissions Spearmaster can tune into, a conversation between two Iterators discuss how the world might change once "either we find the solution, or all drop dead". Their companion mentions that their humid output might be the only source of heat on the surface, and how they don't really know what the world was like before they were built, suggesting it'll maybe return to its "original state" after "a very long time". While it's not the most solid claim to support this theory, it does help it hold some water.

14:07 It could be the icon for pebbles, since he was the one who rivulet got the cell from, and also that the green iterator, who I can't remember the name of, sent hunter to moon. It could be reports that moon got sent while she was offline.

Yummy content

@assasinsking5535

10 ай бұрын

Mmmmmmm delicious

@dawsonzahnley4652

10 ай бұрын

Mmmm

@kaxcommentssomethingREAL

10 ай бұрын

mmm yummy yummy taste of rain

@RussianPrimeMinister

10 ай бұрын

Nom nom nom.

I had three theories for the Daddy Long Legs creation: 1: The one in the video 2: In one of the campaigns (I forgot what one tbh), spiders had replaced the Daddy Long Legs spawning positions, which might suggest that they combined with the rot and turned into DLL 3: A combination of the 1 and 2, as in "all three 'organisms' combining"

The symbol on the scav king’s mask is meant to be the symbol for the chieftain, also moon has dialogue on inspector eyes which pretty much explains them

I believe the weird qr code thingamajig is actually a visual way to store data, like how some old Nintendo games had data that was represented as a jumble of pixels that the machine could read as something important

i think a solid guess would be that the supports we see of the background are just the fallen bits of the bridge between the iterators- they don't really show up on spearmaster campaign when the bridge is standing

The green symbol refers to NSH, red symbol refers to Seven Red Suns, blue symbol most likely refers to important/forced messages (based off of the fact that NSH appears in it), and the orange symbol refers to Five Pebbles Also, the symbols next to the iterator profile pictures, probably are their names written in the games language Furthermore, the jumble mass of dots on the side is probably an encryption lock to keep others, that aren't the iterator the message was sent to, out of looking at it

15:57 i dont know why thats so damn cute to me, but im taking this as canon in my heart. moons little chart of her friends is adorable

10:59 there are no chimneys or any industry on sight, moon's city just seems blocky and with non-modular buildings, and for what we know the weird sphere could be a monument.

@mikeoxsmal69

10 ай бұрын

if fp can have a big colosseum looking dome, moon can have orb

@xerosin

10 ай бұрын

The weird sphere is Auxiliary Transmission Arrays. Yes. I know. It looks nothing like it, but the artist said so. Even another dev was flabbergasted when that was said.

@jevmenyt3422

10 ай бұрын

@@xerosin That's Cappin's headcanon, the rest of the MSC team dont agree on that. Being a dev doesnt make your theories be facts

@xerosin

10 ай бұрын

@jevmenyt3422 They said that’s the intention. Doesn’t make it true, but that’s the intention.

I always like to hear about other's rain world ideas/theories, you're always creating new ways to look at it! Many of your points had me thinking and rethinking, side note, lotus waters is cool

The climate shift being caused by broken/lack of iterators is not a theory. It is directly adressed in a cutscene. The iterators are the only thing keeping the climate as warm as it is, even during the earlier campaigns.

i think that brown symbol (and the similar looking ones) are basically iterator profile pictures, the brown one being 5 pebbles (there's 5 circles on it lol) specifically, there's also that red one with a sun on it (seven red suns)

The difference between the cities atop FP and BSM is explained somewhere, I think either in a pearl or iterator dialog/transmissions. LTTM's city was built much earlier, so seems to follow the structure of a real life city, with grids of blocky skyscrapers. I think the big sphere structure is meant to be shaped like a moon, either as a little shrine to their iterator or some functional building as well. I think it's spherical structure could also indicate that it is a planeterium/observatory, where the ancients could look to the moon and the stars without the obstruction of clouds. Also, the theory about it being a more industrious city makes sense, as earlier on the ancients may have used them to produce the parts nessecary to construct either cities, probably including FPs city, and you can see the city in it's destroyed state in Bitter Aerie. I know Bitter Aerie could be intended to be past the east side of the Submerged Superstructure, but the way it's destroyed buildings roughly match what we could see from Luna in the SM campaign, and the fact we can see there is ocean on the other side of SS by going upwards from the Heart entrance makes me think it is on top of LTTM. FP's city was built later, when established blueprints of living models were being constructed to build enourmous cities on mass, probably to save on labour. You can see these modular stacks from the city view room, and much closer up in Metropolis. I think another reason for doing this could be because FP may have been built towards the mass ascension part of the timeline, when the ancients started their final push to ascend everyone, so the city was more meant to be a temporary accomodation while ancients waited for their chance to ascend rather than a permanent living place. Back to speaking of Bitter Aerie, when we get to it as Rivulet, it is already coated in snow. This acts both as a foreshadowing of Saint's campaign combined with what we learn of the fate of FP, and an indicator that because LTTM was 99% dead for ages, the snow has already encroached from the surrounding land. However, I do think the ice age of Saint's campaign was a climatic ice age, as otherwise the Outer Expanse would be much more of a tundra than a lush jungle. Some times between Survivor/Monk's and Rivulet's campaign the ice age mustv'e already started, and the jungle would've been replaced with a cold tundra outside the superstructure areas, which would remain heated by the iterators until much later on when most of them have rotted or collapsed from lack of maintenance. This would also explain how the extinction of Green Lizards and adaptation of the Winter Yeaks had enough time to take place and move into the superstrucure areas to benefit from the lingering heat from the increased Scav activity and LTTM. Ok I have one more theory, about the Precipice. It seems to be similar to the bridge in Chimney Canopy, so they were probably designed to allow access to the Communications Array (Sky Islands) and Looks to the Moon's superstructure respectively. Ancients and purposed beings would've used these bridges to do maintenance on Sky Islands and The Exterior/Struts and Vents, but the cable along the Precipice, mentioned by LTTM and visible all the was through the region, was probably a massive shortcut pipe to take citizen ancients between the cities without having to walk through Underhang's electrical storms and death pits or fall off the Wall.

@zeropoint7051

10 ай бұрын

the ball on moon's city is intended to be the auxiliary transmissions array obviously it makes no sense and is not physically plausible i watched tolly and cappin argue over it and it was funny (2 msc devs) the precipice was a bridge intended to provide access to pebbles through moon for her citizens

Regarding #2. Personally, it makes sense to me that another Iterator figured 5P had to be almost dead at that point, so it was time for him to pay up. So the Iterator sent the genetically enhanced Rivulet to collect 5P's "Rarefaction Cell" to give to Moon and then help her however she needed.

11:43 This finally proves that Looks to the Moon has, in fact, canonically looked at the moon

This game makes brain go bmmmmmm

14:09 this symbol appears as moon is talking about mass rarefaction cells and pebbles, so it’s possible that the yellow icon is a symbol for pebbles.

15:02 Kinda interesting that the iterators already knew about the rot, maybe five pebbles told other iterators about it and the symbol of the dll (top symbol) is data about qhat fp said.

@malleablephi675

10 ай бұрын

I think it supports something related to some previous data. There's a broadcast (brown) in subterranean where Chasing/Grey Wind refers to it as THE Rot, mentions it's severe, and the larger cysts have become mobile. This implicates that 1. This sort of stuff already existed some extent, and others know. 2. It's either unusual for those things to have limbs, or that's what happens when it gets bad enough.

Btw the theory that the mother Long legs is born from an inspector kinda makes sense cuz the only other place whare wee se purple rot is on smal tendrils in the rot (region) with neuron flies attached and if we assume that the inspector is made in the same what or material as the neuron fly that makes sense. I also think the reson for this is void fluid and that neurons have void fluid in them and that is why that give glow a d void spawn vision. As gourmand I believe you also can craft karma flowers with neurons but I'm not sure.

@quinnmccormick2369

10 ай бұрын

we also see mother long legs in spearmaster garbage wastes

@The_Fourth_Host

10 ай бұрын

@@quinnmccormick2369 it could still be that they are inspectors from unfortunate development and they just got flushed out

We’ll get that video some day, Lisaheads.

it makes sense that there would have to be a scavenger with an ID drone to let all of them inside of metropolis

14:06 this is definitely out there but the orange symbol vaguely resembles the top half of the symbol on suns’ forehead, along with another symbol on the bottom half that resembles karma 3

hell yeah. still need that outro music though, its really good and i have no idea what it is

@chaosco6462

10 ай бұрын

Darthwav Vent, but it's the backing without lyrics, and I can't find that. I'm also 90% sure it's a Pokemon theme???

@Daszombes

10 ай бұрын

Yume 2kki OST - Lotus Waters

14:00 I’m pretty sure those symbols are actually Iterators. The green one is spot on with NSH’s pattern in his head, the yellow one also has Pebbles’ head markings. You can also see a sun with a red background, indicating Seven Red Suns

The orange symbol could be a simple symbol for five pebbles as the mass refraction cell came from him we all see a red sun possibly for srs

Ooo daszombes video

Around 13:50 you talk about coloured symbols on backgrounds shown in moon’s projections and these are most likely message logs as the coloured symbols have details that link them to iterators like the green one being close to the symbol located on NSH’s fore head and the red one being a sun for SRS and one that is a little less on the nose being the orange one having five objects that could be interpreted as pebbles. The grey one may be chasing wind as he is also referred to as grey wind but I have not much there

@soccchesterrevived

6 ай бұрын

I mean, the grey symbol is the same as the blue symbol just differently colored

Imagine if dazombes mad a video about the cosmology of rainworld

14:10 the symbols including orange are probably messages , for example green from nsh or red for SRS and orange is 5p

Theory on one. The Scav King was given the mark by Looks to the Moon, and led his people on an exodus from the top of Moons can to the top of Pebbles before the former fell. It explains why he could get the door open, at least. And before the disaster, it is clearly mentioned in lore that the huge bridge between the cans was intended as an emergency evacuation route.

15:28 looks like a map of the world and shows the local groups around

At 14:10, I think those symbols represent the iterators. The red one is SRS, green being NSH, who sent hunter and compiled the slag keys. I’m assuming the orange may have sent rivulet? Other than that, the blue is lost on me.

i am pretty sure number 3 is explained in game in the spearmasters campaign. iirc theres a convbo between some random iterators and one of them talks about this

@hollowbeings

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it's explained, I don't remember where exactly, but I know it's true!

1) Rivulet is not a purposed organism. If you look at the developer commantary in the first room of rivs campaign, it says that he is not a purposed organism but he has just been all over the world, he probably ran into another iterator and found a pearl :) 2) Dlls Tlls and Blls are not inspectors. in a pearl which i cant remember how to get, there is a conversation where some iterators spill the beans on fove pebbles condition. It might not be the same pearl so correct me if im wrong, but one iterator says something about his cysts becoming moblie and nothing about taking over anthing.

14:00 I think it's the iterator icons, the green one is No Significant Harassment, because it's displayed on top of the Hunter's page, and the yellow one with the refraction cell might be Five Pebbles, since the cell belongs to him, or maybe whoever sent Rivulet. 15:23 Maybe these are the maps of the cities on top? The thing in the top left corner kinda looks like a compass. Though, Moon's map lacks any round structures that we can see in her city. Maybe it's just a part of a bigger map. It seems to me that these are schematic maps drawn on top of the actual photos of the location, Moon's one being the night view of the city, and the Pebbles' one being turned on its side.

I thought the iterators somewhere explicitly stated that their rain was the only source of heat on the planet's surface

at 13:40 it looks like those symbols might be pfps for the iterators. the colors match the iterators and it looks like the first page was NSH talking about hunter and the second page was 5P talking about the mass rarefaction cell.

Kinda late to the party, but for anyone curious, I was able to find the linked karma related diagram at 15:16. While playing Rivulet on Expedition mode, I sat on that strange ledge thing in Moon's room, that deteriorating wall, and Moon projected that image while in the air surrounded by her neurons. I'm not sure if it's because I was sitting there, but maybe something similar triggers it? EDIT: Moments later, Moon projected the second one, the green mishmash of coding. I think these are triggered by standing still away from Moon, because that is when she moves herself into the air.

I have very mixed opinions on Rain World Downpour when it comes to its lore, i think discussions about the base game without downpour should also continue, yet for the most part they currently only focus on Downpour. A lot of Downpours lore wasnt really made by the original devs, and it goes in a very different direction story telling wise, not that theres a problem with this. In the base game, the player slugcats besides maybe the hunter are quite ordinary creatures who live as a part of nature, they are not and do not feel like “main” characters with special unique abilities that set them apart from not only other slugcats, but creatures in the ecosystem. Gourmand and Rivulet both feel like quite ordinary characters, its possible that Rivulet is just part of a species descended from slugcats. Gourmands ability to infinitely regurgitate food and craft literal living creatures I believe is not really entirely canon, and just a gameplay feature, so I think he is just another quite ordinary though intelligent slugcat. Artificer, spearmaster and saint especially all feel quite different from the other characters, not that theres a problem with it, but it reflects the changes in story telling between the DLC and main game. When looking into Downpour lore, do so with a dousing of salt. Whenever there is a contradiction between it and the base game, I prefer to believe that it was simply a mistake, for example Downpour suggesting that Survivors campaign takes place right after he falls, while the base game suggests that he has been wondering around for a very long time. The devs of the DLC mentioned that this specific part was done mostly as fan service, and shouldnt be taken as correcting the base game.

@nts0n

9 ай бұрын

This is backed up by the fact that in the dev commentaries they're really not confident in just outright stating things about the lore, often saying it's their "headcanon" and to come up with your own theories and reasons why certain things are the way they are. This could be partially because they want things to be kept vague but I also think it's perfectly understandable to be hesitant when you don't know the original vision and intended lore with 100% certainty.

I thought about where rivulet came from, and i think the most likely iterator is either sliver of straw, or somwone near. With a pearl of a slightly damaged structure, menaing probably nothing in particular damaging it, but it falling into disrepair after they died. The pearl was probably more recently given to them by another iterator, in case moon didn't know how the structure was holding up. Because all creatures are technically immortal in this game, he could have been traveling since before spearmaster, and been sent from straw just before they died.

11:08 "to connect the toucans"

The picture at 15:40 reminds me of a map of a city oddly enough. Doubt it is that but just funny to think about if her city had a map that looked like that.

Finaly some chasing wind acknowledgement

14:17 it could mean something like important events (surviving memories or idk)

I think the thing at 13:40 might be the "iterator chat" screens/screenshots. And the green and brownish orange symbols in top left represent NSH and Pebbles respectively. It might be a stretch but the green one resembles SNH's head symbol, and the brown one has 5 oblong shapes. They also have 3 and 2 ancient letters next to them respectively for NSH and FP/5P. They also kinda fit as a note of "sender" for the hunter and rarefaction cells which are displayed beside them. The 5 symbol set on the right side could also fit with this, being a contact list perhaps? Blue one being moon, she was offline at the time of the Hunter, and pebbles is down on the rarefaction's screen. Not sure why would Moon have a contact to herself and two to NSH but that's the best I can come up with.

@zeropoint7051

10 ай бұрын

i'm pretty sure theyre outgoing messages

The second to last symbol is the combination of its four surrounding symbols. The "roof" from Survivor, the "walls" of companionship and the whole violence/wrath and food/gluttony symbols. Its meaning is probably a combination of these 4 meanings like we have seen with other "compound" symbols. It's basically "a helping hand" without the "information" symbol inside but food and wrath instead. Maybe it means "the lifestyle of comsumption through violence (or violent comsumption) for/with others".

13:43 BROOO WAIT- the top symbol could be referring what sent the creature. For the screens shown Green could be referred to NSH and orange to who ever sent Rivulet. I'm only guessing this because on the side we see a red sun so I'm guessing SRS? These could be iterator icons- this then could also tell us other iterator color schemes (at least their symbols) and possibly who sent Rivulet somewhat- not the name but at least some idea.

that qr stuff is probably readable if you can properly align it to a grid.

14:06 The orange icon likely represents Five Pebbles- the presence of five circular objects combined with the Ancient symbol for "rock/stone/pebble" at the bottom (which we can also see present as part of the Ancient word for "earth" or "world" in one of the OST images) means "Five Pebbles."

For number 1 I actually noticed that when you pick up the king scavengers body after killing him he has the O karma implying that he’s also talked to an echo

@milesdubois-jx9qv

10 ай бұрын

well, don't forget that the mark of communication also gives you max karma, meaning the chieftain scavenger wouldn't've needed to talk to an echo as he already has the mark of communication. However, since the O karma gets replaced in max karma, it's more likely this is just a mistake caused by the fact that all scavs can have I and O karma which is another mystery entirely-

@WilliamButcher26566

9 ай бұрын

​@@milesdubois-jx9qvthe only scavs with I and O karma, except king, are Elites I think king got his max karma from an Iterator. Elites, are scavengers who met an echo, which earns them the status of elite.

10:26 I don't remember very well but I think moon is an older version of the iterator so since it was one of the first models they were not so confident that it would remain standing.

I think In regards to moons city, that it may be a research center, the big ball makes me thing of science so it could be a place the ancients experimented and tried to figure out solutions and create new things

i dont know if its talked about in this video but i like to imagine that Rivulet simply found a colored pearl, thought it looked cool, and took it everywhere with them. Until they found an iterator and found out the pearl contained data about another iterator, and decided to go out that way.

It's also weird that the Rot icon is in Moon's encyclopaedia.

Bro did you read the devlogs they explain like half this stuff. They said the natural state of the rain world planet is the way it’s seen in saints campaign. The iterators put generate heat which warms up the climate near them. This also explains why the bitter aerie has snow.

I think in a developer commentary it said that rivulet wasn’t sent by a iterator but I can’t remember what it said exactly

Maybe the genome that Five Pepsi corrupted was a inspector. Idk just spitballing.

wasnt moons city explained ingame that moon didnt offer all the required stuff to house a city on top of her, which was adressed when 5p was built to house a city on top instead?

To be fair, I think an iterator explanation video would take a SUPER long time to make so no shame in ignoring that for the time being.

Yay, our resident Rainworld Mossbag is here!