Not trying to scare anyone as you all know I love all the hemi engines. Just be aware of what could happen in the long run🙏☝️👍 if you live in GA and need help with this repair contact me on instagram@frostbite_ram or my Facebook @frostbite ram

@anonimous2451

3 жыл бұрын

Wot if'n I libes in VA?

@hmb_jeff561

2 жыл бұрын

Gm the same way they eat lifters too

@FrostbiteRam

2 жыл бұрын

@@hmb_jeff561 they sure do 👍

@mitchkrivokucha8938

2 жыл бұрын

M 0 c

@cgordon4949

2 жыл бұрын

The new 6.4 hemis have problems too with the lifters…?

Just traded in my 2012 5.7 and she had 179,000 miles. Don't know if the 2012's even came with a check engine light as I never saw it once. No rust and ran good. Hated to let her go but needed a 2500 to haul my new camper. Awesome truck.

That's what happens when you don't use 0w40 and the trucks idle for more hours than they are putting miles on them

I work at dodge. The main reason this happens is lack of maintenance. If you’re not doing the oil change with the proper oil every 6k miles that’s on you

@Yahusha77

Жыл бұрын

The change engine oil light comes on around 8000 miles. So actually you are wrong. If you don’t change your engine oil at 6000 miles, it’s not on you, it’s on Ram. This is a purposeful design flaw. These engines continently fail after the 100,000 mile warranty. Shame on Ram, shame on Hemi. Money rules them

@r.l.j3789

Жыл бұрын

@@Yahusha77 manufacturers recommendation, and the proper maintenance intervals are two different things. I don’t give a damn when the light comes on, it’s the customers responsibility to get it maintained properly. The machine is fallible and can clearly make mistakes. My Honda won’t turn on the oil light until 15k miles lmao. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna do the oil change every 15k miles. Your argument is baseless and dumb. Also I make sure to tell my customers every 6k miles to come in for an oil change on full synthetic vehicles or at least once every 6 months if they’re not driving it enough

@Yahusha77

Жыл бұрын

Well if they can’t figure out when to turn a simple light on, then I doubt we can trust them to build a reliable engine. These vehicles are designed to drain the customer of every dollar than can get. And only 6000 miles for 0w 40 full synthetic. Come on man

@ReignRegime

11 ай бұрын

I do oil changes every 3k miles on my SRT jeep 392 hemi. Lifter still failed at 53k miles, manufacturer warranty covered it so that was great. My opinion is that it comes from excessive idling, the lifters don’t get much lubrication with low oil flow under idle as opposed to rolling around 20mph or 2500rpm. The 6.4L has moved the camshaft up a few inches compared to the 6.1L. My second thought is that they are just primed to fail, no one with aftermarket lifters has this issue.

@nhines4206

11 ай бұрын

I change my oil at 3,000-3,500 max. My truck has 21,000 miles and is at dealership right now with oil consumption issues. Uses 4 quarts of oil between oil changes. My truck is my money maker and I maintain it more than recommended.

I just sold my 5.7 HEMI with 135,000 miles 8 years old. Pulled an 8000 pound trailer every spring/summer/fall. I had to replace the exhaust manifold on both sides. Other than that, zero issues. Used the recommended 89 octane fuel and synthetic 5w20 oil every 5000 miles. Recently bought a new 6.4 Hemi 2500. Again, I use the recommended 89 Octane fuel and synthetic oil every oil change. I don't know if a lot of guys do that, but I believe it makes a difference.

@eric44707

3 жыл бұрын

My brother in law sold my brother his charger with a hemi. He said it never ran right and had an engine tap. My brother put 89 fuel in it like it was supposed to and it solved the problem. Brother in law was pissed. Lol.

@robertpedigo8932

2 жыл бұрын

@@eric44707 The 6.4 Hemi is tuned to be able to use 89 octane from the factory, FCA and the manual recommends running 93 octane in the 6.4 engine.

@MrStaybrown

Жыл бұрын

Use the proper oil..it makes a difference.

@Hall7180

Жыл бұрын

I always run 93

I recently repaired this problem on a 5.7 Durango with 90,000 miles. Although the miles were a bit low, this engine had over 5000 hours on it due to extended periods of sitting at idle. Not all that bad really, if you consider a hypothetical average speed of 30MPH, that comes out to 150,000 miles. I did the work myself at a cost of around $1,200. I ordered a stock cam from Dodge, didn't pay any attention to the cam specs, and inadvertently ended up with a higher performance grind than original equipment. It really woke the engine up and was a bit of a shock when I first drove it. Other than the cam/lifter issue, I've never had any other problems with this engine. It doesn't burn oil or overheat, has lots of power and get respectable MPG for what it is. With the time on this engine and being used to engines from the 60's and 70's I can't complain.

@charles6952

3 жыл бұрын

Idleing does not hurt engines. Keeps the oil at temp keeping all water vapor at bay.

@RamYRN

2 жыл бұрын

I think even if you maintain them it can still happen

We eliminated our cam & lifter issues when we switched to Schaeffer 0W40. Chrysler approved. Zinc & Moly both control the wear. No disappointments. If I told you the drain intervals we are running no one would believe me. We sample every oil change. Hard to find but nothing better.

@motown1703

3 жыл бұрын

I run Schaeffers in my Power Wagon and my Hellcat and have had great luck with that oil.

@brewaire

3 жыл бұрын

What's your opinion on Amsoil?

@fordmech7913

2 жыл бұрын

Thicker oil wont fix a mechanical issues sooner or later it will cost you in the end .

@DL101ca

2 жыл бұрын

@@fordmech7913 It will when the issue is lubrication. And the hemi failure is definitely due to lubrication.

@jacobstrutner8232

Жыл бұрын

Seen a dozen trucks eat cams running that exact oil with 3,000 mile intervals. Was a Schaeffer oil sales man team

Thanks for the time making this vid. I’m considering a new 2500 this year!

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

No problem man a 6.4 would be sweet.

@DOC6.7

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam wish ram would throw the 6.4 in the 1500. The Jeep Wrangler will have it this year. God i love hemi!

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOC6.7 that would be awesome

@donellmuniz590

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam Hellcat, even better! I hear it's coming.

Thanks for the update. I was looking to purchase a ram used in the near future.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by hope I didn't scare you lol

My job does the maintenance every 4-5k miles regardless of oil life left. Regardless of manufacturer GMC, Ford, Ram we've never opened an engine. All have gone to 300k miles+ before California has us replace them for newer emissions.

I bought a 2014 2500 with the 6.4... as soon as I had it a day, same problem. And it sat at the shop for 3 weeks. I got it back for 3 days and had to put a transmission in it. I love the truck I have it still and no issues now 🤞 besides the gas cap curse.

@shomari17

3 жыл бұрын

What is the gas cap curse?

Thanks for making this video, good stuff, 👍keep making the videos!

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by

We just put a Jasper remanded in a 15 ram rebel. 80ishk. Cam was junk and DOD solenoid screens all full of metal. Customer opted for a remanded engine with a warranty. I think it was a good decision. I’ve heard horror stories about repeat failures after a repair like this due to contamination.. I could be wrong though, I don’t have a lot of personal experience with the hemi’s.

I have a 2014 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi mds. I bought it in 2015 with 12,500 miles. I now have 210,000 on the truck have had no issues accept for just recently replacing broken exhaust manifold bolts. routinely maintenanced change the oil at 3000 miles wheather it needs it or not tire rotation alignment and balance with every oil change. Best running truck I've owned 👌

@FrostbiteRam

2 жыл бұрын

Thats awesome some good mileage to👍

This exact issue just happened to my 2014 RAM 1500 with 5.7 HEMI. We were on a trip towing our 7,000 pound camper to Charleston, SC from middle TN. The tapping sound started while we were on our way down the interstate. I could hear it over the radio. I heard it all that week in varying degrees. Sometimes I could barely hear it. The engine light came on during the return trip so it went to the dealer. The issue was exactly the #5 lifter had locked and been chewing on the cam for some time. I was unaware until it was too late. I now have a 8 year old truck with a brand new dealer installed 5.7 HEMI engine to the tune of $13,000!!! It hurt BAD to do that, but did come with a 3 year/100,000 mile warranty. I had planned to trade the truck soon for possibly a 3/4 ton diesel. But with prices as crazy as they are now I'm thinking to drive this thing as long as I can then get something else. I will say I have lost my faith in the HEMI. It let me down in a big way at the very worst time. I would go to a 3/4 ton gas with 6.4 HEMI but I just don't have faith in the longevity of the engine. And the fuel price and maintenance of the diesel just about gives me a stomach ache. I'm not sure what to do other than maintain my truck very well and hope this new engine gives me 2 or 3 more years.

@timothycusson5389

5 ай бұрын

Use the right oil 0-5--20 wsyn !

@timothycusson5389

5 ай бұрын

5-7! 6l???

my 5.7 is on 305 000km and never had an issue, I've always put some anti friction (for diesel engines) mixed with the oil since I got it at 200 000km and it's been great

@sorojinidungdung6979

Жыл бұрын

Km lol

My 2016 Ram 6.4 had the #5 lifter seize at 150k. All new lifters, cam, spark plugs, original parts and labor at the dealership, just under $5k. Oil changed every 5k miles. It just happens once in a while. With a couple hundred thousand lifters manufactured, a small percentage of them have failed. But even if 1% of all lifters manufactured fail that could equate to 10% of the motors being damaged. We can't blame the motor, but unfortunately it just happens.

@easttexasengineering3489

2 жыл бұрын

Ron, I wish all people had your mentality.. your comment is very correct, horrible for this to happen but it is only 1%.

@NJ_Scat_Hemi_Orange

2 жыл бұрын

150k miles and only a single major fix of >$5k? Not that bad of a risk. Hemi's idling for extended periods of time in Landscaping trucks is probably a strong negative factor

@tripac3392

Жыл бұрын

Six trucks owned by the same person Idk how you can justify it being just a few machine parts out of hundreds of thousands. I guess that's your idea of reliability that to each their own. My idea of liabilities 230,000 300000 mi no problem.

Da hell with it while it's open..and he's changing the springs!! Put a tx speed stage 1 base line tune let er eat!! 😅🏁

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

For real 👍

The only thing I would add is the 6.4 is not a new engine, it has been around for 7 years and the problem has not been very widespread at all. If the same owner has had multiple trucks with failures it makes me wonder what kind of maintenance he does.

@chavyflos6311

3 жыл бұрын

There are unlimited videos of these hemis ticking and camshafts being destroyed.

@vickibange7259

3 жыл бұрын

Or how they're being used

@646384

2 жыл бұрын

This is a widespread issue Jeepsrt8, and a bunch of 392's are having this issue

@sokodad

2 жыл бұрын

Concerns me

@svitozar8618

Жыл бұрын

@@chavyflos6311 not 6.4!

Not sure if anything is changed since the year of those motors. But I'm running a 2019 classic. 5.7. 304000 miles without an issue. Oil changes done every time the oil light comes on so and we're between 8 and 10000 miles and my truck regularly halls every day between 4 and 8000 pounds. The only thing i've had to replace is a battery. Original transmission original rear end original engine. Haven't cracked a boat on the motor yet.

I am running a 15 ram 3500 6.4. Bought it with 69k i now have 137k. 40k of the miles i put on are towing my toyhauler camper loaded at 13,500 lbs. I have change my oil at 5k every time myself. Pennzoil 0w40. It has ticked since the day I got it and still ticks the exact same way. I run nothing less then 89 octane. I know for certain that running 91 will maintain my speed better towing my rig at 55-60mph. My truck hates that speed with the camper in tow. She is very happy running 65-70mph. I will note that my oil seems to be a bit darker at oil changes now then when i first got it, but it is not jet black.

I'd suspect that the root of the problem is caused by DIRTY OIL. Running it more than 5K miles between oil changes.

@jacobstrutner8232

Жыл бұрын

Nope. I know of trucks that ran full synthetic with 3,000 mile intervals that eat lifters.

@MrStaybrown

Жыл бұрын

They don't use specified oil, even certain synthetics don't meet requirements. Alot of people go conventional and the damage starts.

@connor4961

Жыл бұрын

The hemi has a issue with oil starvation at idle so if you idle your truck a lot then it’s bound to munch a lifter.

@tosterland65

Жыл бұрын

The real problem is mds just like afm in GM it’s garbage

A friction modifier / extreme pressure oil additive will help with this issue. Formula 3 by Lubrication Specialist in San Diego has it. $160 / gal.

I have a 2021 Ram 2500 6.4 as a loaner as my truck is in the shop (2018 F250 6.7 with the dreaded upper oil pan gakset leak). Even with just 7500 miles, i will say the engine is NOISY and can clearly hear the valves clanking away lol.

I find it hard to believe that your buddy with a podunk shop is getting 6.4 Hemi Rams with failed cams when the 6.4 Hemi is not that popular of an option for the 2500 and 3500 trucks that are normally sold with 6.7 Cummins diesels. Further I owned a 2016 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi and ran quality Redline 0w-40 Group V Ester Synthetic oil in it and did not have any issues. If 6.4 Hemi Truck engines were having major issues with Cam failures it would be all over the forums yet the forums are quiet. From what I see the Truck at the start of this video looks to be a tradesman work truck and the maintenance was likely lacking, used the cheapest oil they could find and did not change the oil and filters in a timely manner. To many companies think they are saving money by using cheap oil and filters while they dog the truck, this one had a failure at 130,000 miles and from seeing the mirror in the up tow position you can bet your rear end this truck is used hard towing heavy loads. You say this guy has had five or six 6.4 Hemi Rams come in to his shop in the last two months for cam failures is just not believable. If these 6.4 Hemi Truck engines were failing at that high of a rate it would have been discovered long before the past couple of months and the Ram forums would all be on fire about it. The 6.4 Hemi Truck engine has been out since 2014 so they are hardly new on the market in fact they are now into their seventh year on the market. Landscape companies are well known for not taking good care of their trucks when it comes to proper maintenance.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣I will ship you all the camshafts if you pay the shipping that way you can evaluate them with your NOT podunk shop experience 😉 🤷‍♂️👍

@willie9397

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam some people just hate to admit there's a design problem, however as a mechanic I would agree some people cheap out on the maintenance then blame the manufacture, DO PROPER MAINTENANCE FOLKS

@josephsylvester1

3 жыл бұрын

I work a company that bought several Dodge Ram trucks in 2015 with the 6.4 L engines and the trucks get regular oil and filter changes. Every one without exception had to have the cam and lifters replaced starting at about 30,000 miles. Now interestingly enough anyone that has been through this also knows there is a 3 month back order on parts. I guess there is not a widespread problem though they can’t even keep up with demand for the parts. Can any of you defenders of Dodge explain this. LOL good luck, I await your replies.

@vtx2005retro

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephsylvester1 i would like to know when the oil was actually changed in the 30k mile trucks that are 6 years old now? What mileage is on those trucks no? I would think they should be on there 5th or 6th lifter and cam swap? Each truck!!! Oh and what are thr hours on those trucks so we can see the duty cycle of each and Mke a comparison with our own trucks?

@dasboot9471

4 ай бұрын

It is all over the forums and GM has the same problems because of the MDS systems basically

You guys need to start using Amsoil. Why not get the best for the best. You won’t be disappointed. I started using Amsoil in my air cooled Harley’s back in 09, Amsoil far exceeds everybody else’s oil. I have used it in all my vehicles too, it’s life and longevity to your engine. Fully synthetic, runs cooler, lubricates better, last longer. My Hemi 5.7 has 190,000 miles on it, using all Amsoil in it, runs like a new one.

@brokenarrow6491

3 жыл бұрын

I use Castrol gtx and mine has 190,000 on it too lol

@jlbush8249

2 жыл бұрын

@@brokenarrow6491 However, his may run far longer than yours. LOL

Part of the problem is that modern day motor oil has the Zinc levels significantly reduced in the oil formulation. Zinc (ZDDP) is used to lubricate ferrous metals under heavy pressure. Since EPA requires Catalytic Converter s to last longer, ZDDP has been reduced. High levels of ZDDP reduces Catalytic Converter life. I have a 6.4L Hemi in my Challenger. I add six to seven ounces of Lucas ZDDP oil additive at every oil change interval. My lifter noise is gone and the engine seems much smoother. I also removed the MDS using a tuner device. My honest opinion is that it is easier to deal with Cats that deteriorate over time than it is to replace engine components. Sorry Greta, but how dare you and your minions at the EPA lower my ZDDP levels and destroy my engine in the process. I also saw an internal Chrysler service memo recommending SAE 5W40 synthetic to be used in lieu of other oil weights originally suggested. This memo applied to severe service use, such as police, taxi and towing. I use 5W40 synthetic as well. The 5W40 plays an important role in cooling and is believed to help reduce the dropped valve issue on the 5.7L Hemi. SAE 5W20 was originally thought of as the best oil to circulate and that it is the best oil at start up. However, with reduced ZDDP levels combined with all the stresses and high operating temperatures that modern day engines are exposed to, metal sheer, scoring and thermal breakdown is showing that 5W20 is not a long term solution. Also, avoid using certain bright colored oil filters as they do not offer the protection a Mopar or top quality branded filter will offer you. Plate [C]

@charles6952

3 жыл бұрын

DUDE. Look at Amsoil. It's got the zinc in all blends. My 1967 440,(actual 452, 40 thousands cut and Direct connection stage 4 heads, and more). My 5.7 in a 1500. Research it and use the proper one for your engine. No guessing, no overdoses, just clean oil. I do not sell the stuff or represent the company, just a gear head from the 70's. For the old iron there is a specific blend with the most zinc. I think it's called Rod X or something. Run one crankcase of that in your new 6.4 for 5K and then run the lighter blends.

@marv9820

3 жыл бұрын

This is very interesting. A newbie hemi 392 owner here and ive just ordered a product called Turbomaxx. They claim similar or better protection qualities as zddp but without the cats being harmed. Ill be putting 2oz into approximately 7 quarts. Im very keen to see how it performs (or not perform). Im running 0w-40 but there just might be something to that 5w-40 fca internal memo. Totally agree Mopar white SRT filter only, not the regular Mopar black filter.

@ericsivilla4091

Жыл бұрын

What oil are you using ? I've thought about changing to redline Easter based 0w40 high zinc formula. It has 13 hundred ppm zddp.... Regarding the 0w40 vs 5w40, I'm told the 0w40 is better for lubrication when it's cold on the 6.4 Hemi... I've been using a friction modifier Archoil. I'm on 30k now still new, but I'm trying to do preventive maintance, any advice you can give me, I will appreciate it. I also never run the engine on auto mode. I always run on sport mode, so the mds doesn't turn on.

I dumped my 2019 Laramie long bed 6.4 for a 2020 Tradesmen 6.7 diesel. I got cold feet with all the problems with the 6.4 hemi. I also needed a diesel to pull my new 5th wheel and it holds it resale value way better.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Cant go wrong with the cummins only thing to prepare for is emissions components failure.

@donleamon8653

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam - and transmission failure unless Aisin

Do a video about pros and cons when moding a CAM & Lifters VS just changing them when shtf

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

I will definitely work on something.

All commercial vehicles should have hour meters and have there service intervals set by hour not miles

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

That could definitely help possibly

@ChristopherWilliams-cp5zf

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that’s why Chrysler changed it to hours not kilometres And miles. The oil temp runs really really hot in hemi’s and breaks down quicker than normal oil change intervals. So by the time you go to get a oil change the oils cooked The detergents and the viscosity of the oil too.

@ChristopherWilliams-cp5zf

3 жыл бұрын

Also sitting at idle a lot starves the top end as these engines have weak oil pressure at idle for the size of the hemi.

@glaffoon1

3 жыл бұрын

My truck has an hours run and an hours idle. The recommendation is don’t idle. You need to get the RPMs up above 3k frequently to get oil on the lifters. I make it a point to get my Hemi well above 4K frequently. Mainly because it sounds so damn good.

@onerahtokonmc7703

3 жыл бұрын

Ram suggest 350 idle hours as a service interval over an odometer reading

My 2012 Ram (5.7) had the same problem. Got a quote from dodge, they wanted to charge me 4,500 again 4,500$ lol. No joke. I just took it to a different machine, charge me 1500 also, but 2 months later, cold start my truck, the lift knock, then goes away, like 2m later (it’s not the manifold bolts) but I started blending my oil. I do factory oil then mix it with the Lucas stabilizer engine oil. Once I added that stuff, the knock was there but would go away like In 2-10seconds. It’s a really sucky situation, but if it happens again, I’ll probably just do it by my self. Cheers from Texas, hope I made sense. Lol By the way, I did see a KZread video saying about how the cam was to far from the crank, and how the oil wouldn’t reach the lifts in time, something like that. I believe the person who explain it was “uncletonysgarage” kzread.info/dash/bejne/m4iAmrN-hZW0p6g.html

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the dealer makes a killing on this.

His workers are beating the hell out of the trucks.

lol the excuses, its just a engineering failure been going on forever.

@deborahchesser7375

3 жыл бұрын

If they can’t take the time to perfect a lifter that’s pretty bad.

@JT-ko3rv

3 жыл бұрын

Hardly an engineering failure or even a problem when you consider how many 3rd gen hemis have been produced since 2003 a tiny fraction of them have had camshaft or lifter problems. Hardly worth re-engineering a design for a insignificant problem. Never heard of an engine that dosent suffer failures they dont exist. The vehicle owners have more to do with failures than the design ever will unless it is just a bad part they do exist and nobody knows its bad until it fails.

From what I understand, it’s caused by the low tolerance within the engine cutting oil supply to the lifters. Not exactly how true this is though. I was told that there’s a plug to check for metal shavings somewhere in the engine (can’t remember where). If you check it, and there are shavings in the screen, the engine is done.

@cwbjr18

3 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right. My 6.4 is on it second lifter and cam replacement.

@microminiskirt

Жыл бұрын

@@cwbjr18 🤑😱🙀🙈

My 3rd gen started making a little noise and then misfired. I have a code for co2 sensor come on and then go out after a few startups. It's in shop now w 199k miles

Just about to do my first oil change on my 20 Power Wagon, it’s got 7k miles. First Hemi and first new truck, now I know to change the oil sooner from now on

@michaeldepow6663

3 жыл бұрын

Oil change has nothing to do with it. Change your can and lifters, go with aftermarket performance parts

@witkr904

3 жыл бұрын

Quality of oil and filter is also figured into longevity. If it’s on sale, avoid it!!

Its been said it comes back to oil changes, and most of these failures on are on long idle hours fleet vehicles, being changed at mileage instead of engine hours. When mine in my power wagon goes, I'm doing MDS delete, and using the blanking plugs from the old 5.7 HDs.

@donellmuniz590

3 жыл бұрын

Blanking plugs? What are those?

@Dexter_Solid

3 жыл бұрын

@@donellmuniz590 The older HD 5.7 hemis in the 2500, and 3500 were detuned and had MDS removed, though the cavities still exist for the solenoids, all Ram did was put caps on them, so the lifters were constantly bathed in oil, essentially eliminating this type of failure. The MDS solenoids basically controlled the oil gallery surrounding the lifters, if they never activate the lifter doesnt get much lube, but the caps have no provision to block the oil so they're always full.

The engine failure is due to lack of maintenance FACT. I have only 1 customer that didn’t follow my advice on the 5000 km oil changes and his truck is now sitting until he can come up with the money to fix it. They need to start teaching vehicle maintenance in grade 5 that way you can’t say you never knew. Love the vid

GM and Ram have been all plagued by this problem because of MDS…well documented and not a surprise at this point…eliminate it or get another truck every 100,000 miles, which is why they continue to use these systems, most people don’t keep the truck that long so they don’t care, especially after warranty period

Owned my 09 1500 since new. I am a Tech (since 1982). Been on full synth' since 10,000km. 226,000km at 5,000 hours number 3 exhaust lifter & lobe. I had NO tick, just a misfire under heavy load that would remain for about 15 seconds. Found the siezed lifter would turn 90 degrees in the cassette then flip back giving me a smooth engine again. I went with aftermarket parts because Canada OE prices are double ($2000 for just the lifters, plus head gaskets & seals etc) Some of the new lifters are ticking, now running 5w30, still not happy with it, but going to run it as is while I decide to either redo it or swap in a new motor. Will likely redo this one as I had the heads & exhaust manifolds machined (did valves & seals myself)

At least now everyone can have a "Hemi", running or not.

Glad I purchased the lifetime powertrain warranty on my 2017. They no longer off the warranty though

@JT-xb6bg

3 жыл бұрын

It's already paid for itself.. I have 455,000 on the truck

@JT-xb6bg

3 жыл бұрын

@69Mach I CJ your right.. I'm an idiot

In today's competitive truck market there's no excuse for these types of issues in the hemi engines. I traded my 15 Ram bighorn 5.7 in for a 2020 SR5 Tundra. The exhaust manifold bolts were broke plus the lifter noise wearing out the cam. Both trucks sticker price were at 45,000 . That said I have faith that the Tundra will go 300 to 400 thousand miles with minimal repair. The Ram was nice towed my boat well.

@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884

3 жыл бұрын

Keep an eye on trans Temps in the Tundra. They stopped putting trans coolers on them and failures are occurring frequently.

@joescott701

3 жыл бұрын

@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 definitely a bad move on Toyota. Not currently towing anything but plan to add a cooler after warranty expires. If it goes b4 then it's on Toyota to replace

@daviddouglass7662

Жыл бұрын

Tow a 14,000# fifth wheel. Unfortunately, a Tundra is not in the cards for me. My other car is a Rav 4.

How are the 392 engines in the challenger?

My garage and a local Dodge dealership have found that there is a cronic problem of the casting sand not being totally cleaned off of the blocks when cast. This casting sand then acts as an abrasive and its clogging heaters and radiators as well. I suspect this could be compounding the problems shown here. Sounds like a recall is in order.

@Hall7180

Жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder if this is why my Ram has had a Chronic no heat issue almost every year since new🤔. Ive been through 2 radiators and 3 heater cores. I finally gave up and just dealt with being cold.

First thing I did to my truck with 200 miles was to cam it and change lifters. Added a lot of power and got rid of a known headache.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome 👍

@breakeralex9211

3 жыл бұрын

Would love to do this on my 6.4 What did you put in and do you still have low torque? Thanks

@sailingseahawk2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@breakeralex9211 J green cam/ jgreen tune/ ported heads/ported stock intake and throttle body/ long tube headers/ 2800 stall converter and few other odds and ends. The 6.4 hemi like this pulled awesome

@sailingseahawk2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@breakeralex9211 Brother the truck really woke up. It had more torque and hp from idle to redline. Being a gas motor and non diesel the looser converter helped to.

@breakeralex9211

3 жыл бұрын

@@sailingseahawk2012 Really glad to read this and thanks for the reply!

Same thing happened to my 2016 Dodge Ram 2500 with 6.4. Only 65,000 . Limp mode one day . Then misfire code. Had full engine replacement. Still under warranty. I won’t keep the truck over the 100,000 mile warranty

I have 6.4 hemi with no issues, my sister inlaw has a 5.7 hemi and she has the lifter issue. The difference is I use the proper oil and she went conventional oil because the lube joint told her its just as good.

Normally company trucks will overdue the maintenance and abusive driving. That's the no 1 reason causing the powertrain to fail.

@cwayne001

3 жыл бұрын

My truck 2015 is in the shop now for the same thing it just turned 105k all the maintenance has been done on time i landscape on the side but mainly cutting grass i have a full time job that limits me on how much i can take on. Luckily i have a drivetrain warranty through the dealership i bought it from for no extra cost only catch is my maintenance being on time and through the dealership which worked out for me i just got the transmission replaced last year at no charge

@vickibange7259

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, but would expect the rest of the vehicle to be a rattling POS by the time the engine issues cropped up.

The lifter wants his lawyer... he argues the cam beat him up..

@boss2nine

3 жыл бұрын

😆 lol

Same thing happened to me on the 5.7 at 110, 000 km. Same #5.

I wonder if these people changed the oil enough or used the correct oil. Roller bearings need nice clean oil especially with the location of that cam.

Looks like a serious lack of maintenance, spend so much money on the truck cant afford to maintain it.. Change the fuckin oil... look at that build up on that cam... proves its not taken care of...

The reason why these fail is because they slack on oil changes. You gotta change the oil really early on these 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI'S.

@SantosProd

2 жыл бұрын

How early? I've been doing a oil change 5k increments

@robstatetx

2 жыл бұрын

It is actually the design of the engine, the cam is too high and the oil draining from the heads doesn't flow enough down to the cam. Idling is what kills these more than oil change interval. The cam gets starved at low rpm and once the damage starts it snowballs. These are good engines, but not if you are going to idle for 30 minutes at a time. If you are going to idle for more than 5 minutes just shut it off.

I'm looking at a 2018 with 150,000 MI thanks for your video is there any test I can do when buying the truck that you would recommend

It’s common if your constantly allowing the MDS to kick in and out plus idling for extended periods of time… 2016 ram 1500 5.7 hemi 126k miles no issues with the lifters and cam but I am also aware of what causes it and how to mitigate the problem

Although long idle doesn't help. Oil break down is probably a factor too! The one thing that stands out the most to me is MDS. It is my belief that the MDS affects oiling of the lifters and cam! Recomend MDS delete!

@anonimous2451

3 жыл бұрын

Oil breakdown has nothing to do with it. Y'all are not diagnosing the problem correctly. These lifters need Axle Oiling to better lubricate cam lobes and assist Spring Pressures available from Johnson Lifter AND the MDS Delete. The Crankshaft uses oil fling method of oiling the upper head and adding a direct line oil lube to both valve covers would do a better job ESPECIALLY at idle. What I cannot fathom is WHY would Dodge/Chrysler allow this to continue for so long without a design change OR a boosted oil pump at lower RPM to solve this issue. Even at 150 mph the oil pressure never goes above 56 psi. There must be some happy medium available or install direct head lubrication. If you own a 6.4 are you seriously concerned about fuel economy? (or even a 6.1 or 5.7 for that matter)

@diamondheat9

3 жыл бұрын

The MDS system utilize a small oiling port in the cam( or was it cam lifter) to allow the MDS to shut down certain cylinders while motor runs. If it gets clogged it causes a part to lock up and seize so even a MDS delete won't prevent this unless you replace the cam

@anonimous2451

3 жыл бұрын

@@diamondheat9 That would be the lifter my good man.

@diamondheat9

3 жыл бұрын

@@anonimous2451 ty

Thanks for making this! I've been currently shopping, looking at a possible 2500 with a 6.4, and it's good that it's something to be aware of. Sucks that you can't "inspect" this issue more easily so that you can tell whether or not it's good for a while, or if it's starting to show signs that it will fail and cause you bigger headaches. Thank you!

@williambrown118

Жыл бұрын

that is miss info ford power stroke suck that dude is a ford guy lying

@mattbarrois8675

Жыл бұрын

Had a 6.4 hemi 3500 ram work truck that we put well over 400k miles on before it was taken out of service

Oil quality is key to any engine. In my opinion from testing Royal Purple has been the best oil with crazy protect metal on metal surfaces. My 5.7 hemi has 0 lifter tick at 104k.

Just add zddp+ aditive every oil change, Keep at between 1000-1400 ppm 1/4 of bottle depending where you get it personally i use redline brake in oil additive others are good too, The main application of ZDDPs are as anti-wear additives in lubricants including greases, hydraulic oils, and motor oils. ZDDPs also act as corrosion inhibitors and antioxidants. They are almost ubiquitous in lubricants, and treatment rates are usually between 600 ppm for modern, energy-conserving low-viscosity oils to 2000 ppm of this additive in some racing oils, Again keep it between 1000-1400ppm Modern 600ppm may not cover it.

You mention milage in the videos as a rough estimate, but more importantly, what are the idle hours on these engines?

@deborahchesser7375

3 жыл бұрын

That makes a big difference, I worked for for the motorcycle training program in my state and when we sent bikes to auction they had low miles 2-4K, but all the hours they sat and idled is still run time. So basically double the mileage and that’s a lot on a small bike before overhauls

@wirebrush

3 жыл бұрын

This is what I'd really like to know too. I suspect this is a bigger problem in the south where people idle vehicles to run the air conditioning.

@Prestiged_peck

3 жыл бұрын

@@wirebrush 100%

@berardoferrari

2 жыл бұрын

@@wirebrush or the north to run heater. no difference.

@microminiskirt

2 жыл бұрын

JUST THINK ABOUT THE POLICE CARS? THEY IDLE THOSE CARS ALL THE TIME, RUN THE AIR CONDITIONERS. THEY WOULD KNOW THE WEAKENESSES OF THESE ENGINES AND FACTS ON LIFTER FAILURES ETC. IT BE INTERESTING TO GET A REPORT ON THEIR RECORDS/MAINTENANCE RECORDS.

This is from running your motor with the MDS on. Guys, you have a V8 for a reason. Run all 8 or you gonna have problems. If your so worried about fuel mileage then go buy a 4 cylinder truck or car.

@SIDVENOM

3 жыл бұрын

How do you turn off the MDS so you can run all 8 cylinders.

@jasonneal

3 жыл бұрын

@@SIDVENOM after you put it in gear, just press the gear selector until you’ve reached the highest gear. So if you have a 8 speed trany, press the gear selector until it displays 8.

@Prestiged_peck

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonneal ...

@Prestiged_peck

3 жыл бұрын

@@SIDVENOM this guys is trolling you, you'll have to open the motor up and replace the MDS lifters with NON-MDS lifters.

@jasonneal

3 жыл бұрын

@@Prestiged_peck fuck you bro, I’m not trolling anyone. I have had 2 hemi motors, 5.7 and 6.4 and if you put it in select a gear the MDS won’t activate. But what ever

I've been told idle times are a killer on the hemi. I run Lucas oil stabilizer I'm now at 1030,00 and so far no problems

Have to ask is there a fix for it yet move the line from the middle of the engine so it can oil up to cam and lifters and does the hellcat engines have the problem

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Most people like myself has installed hellcat lifters and non mds camshafts seems to help or fix this.

Great video and appriciate the information. I just bought a new 2021 6.4 ram. Would you recommend the use of amsoil or other brand of oil...or additive to improve chances of this not happening?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Just use a good oil and change it regularly is really the most you can do.

@toddbob55

2 жыл бұрын

get rid of that Truck.....buddy has 2020 cam issues already at 40k miles..... he wishes he had bought a Ford now hes screwed

Cam looks like it's been overdue with the oilchanges or cheap oil/overheated maybe? Pulled the cam out of mine and it looks brand-new, just like the crank. Oil changed every 4000 miles. Engine has almost 180000 miles on it.

@zfine1450

3 жыл бұрын

Why did you pull the cam?

@cliffordzellner5917

3 жыл бұрын

I find it odd that you took the time out of your day too pull the cam out of your engine? If there was no problems to begin with.

@alexh201174

3 жыл бұрын

If your engine drops a valveseat your bound to do a rebuild. At least if you want to do it the right way. Thats why I pulled the cam. I'm not pulling a cam out of a perfectly running engine.

@cliffordzellner5917

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexh201174 oh ok, I was wondering if there was another reason that you pull the cam out.

@zfine1450

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexh201174 Makes sense to me, thanks.

What were the oil change intervals on these vehicles?..Thanks

Mobil one Synthetic oil, and mobil one synthetic oil filter.a large co. near me was using mobil one sythetic oil but cheaped out on the filter.when they went to the synthetic filters, no problems and these trucks had a lot of weight on them all the time something to try ?

when he does the parts fix, is the issue of the lifters losing oiling being FIXED??

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody knows really this is the best option so far but Nobody has had complaints afterwards for the most part.

Can you ask what oil was used and how long are the oil change intervals.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

I will check on that but I know the owner personally and he changes fluids regularly.

2017 and up needle bearing size was beafed up in the lifter rollers, anyone know if issue is less prevalent 17-23 ?

SO after the lifter fails and grinds that cam down, where's all that metal go? I'm assuming it goes to the oil pan and gets picked up by the oil pump and goes through all the bearings. So I'm wondering about internal damage...Do you check the pump and bearings before assembly and how do they look?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

If the cam bearings look good, then new cam,lifters, oil flush and send it. I have put over 20k on my motor on top of racing it weekly after a failed cam/lifters issue

@street22style

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam I just had same problem on my 2014 challenger 392. 1200 miles after replacing lifters and cam, the oil pressure at idle is only 9psi. Pulled oil pump and looks to be scored fairly bad. Just wonder if I should pull bearings too?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

@@street22style its possible it could be worse but thats kinda rare most people get away with new cam and lifters.

I’ve seen this happen before and I advise my customers to replace the engine at that point because all of the metal that gets through the engine. I’ve seen them be replaced and two years later they start rod knocking. I don’t want to charge somebody you know $3500 to do the job and then have it come back two years later with the rods knocking.

@leathernlatexmicrominiskir3784

Жыл бұрын

The dreaded hemi tick with early valve lifter failures?

I haven’t heard of ls engines eating cams and lifters unless it’s the eco engines with cylinder shut off modes…the light duty pickups don’t have that so they don’t have cam issues….dodge needed to address the lack of oil to the lifters unless they just want engine failures out of warranty…uncle Tony’s garage has a good video of explaining this and possible solutions to the problems

My 2014 6.4 popped P303 code. Changed plugs and coil in cylinder 3. Drove 150 miles and the engine shut off!!!! Dealership said it needs a new engine! Can’t believe this. 170k miles

I wonder if generic oil and cheap gas is the main culprit? I've noticed when heavy towing using standard mopar oil i would hit 280 °F after going with Mopar synthetic oil i rarely hit 260. Around town driving i use mid grade fuel and when planning a trip and during a trip when towing i use premium only.

@MultiPartizan1

2 жыл бұрын

I would try 0w40 oil castrol mobil penzoil doesn't meter better flow at any given temperature better lubrication when working hard and better additive package. Don't belive dealerships.

@shockracer

2 жыл бұрын

@@MultiPartizan1 I send my oil to Blackstone Lab for a full Chemical analysis every other oil change. I trust my dealership as not only do I know the owners but also know most of the people there and have known them for almost 20 years. The MDS system gets angry when using different viscosity oils and might cause a CEL or MDS failure.

@MultiPartizan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@shockracer When towing Premium fuel only 93 octane we use 0W30 oil when towing oil temperature stays under 230f and same oil for all year around, Same hemi 5.7l engine in australia recommended from mopar viscosity oil is 5w40 find CAFE agreement when you can, No MDS issues in two hemi 5.7l engines K&N filters and Penzoil euro 0-30.

Why would one want to go back factory/stock? So we can do it all again?

@jeffreygoss8109

3 жыл бұрын

My question exactly. Isn’t there a better aftermarket replacement?

@mightymikeamps9317

3 жыл бұрын

I would at least get the Hellcat Lifters.

We are all biased. We make excuses for whatever brand we like, own, or the opposite of what we chose poorly. But Ram has no excuse for this. Engine has been out too long and no wild changes. They should have this perfected

5.7 is a no power slug with issues kept mine 6 months and had problems from day three couldn't wait to move the junk

Idling while eating lunch or supervising.

@snakegs4203

3 жыл бұрын

Yep!!

@vickibange7259

3 жыл бұрын

Georgia Landscapers? - keep that A/C running!

I've heard that the oil delivery problem to the camshaft on these hemi V8's has been resolved. Someone recently has developed a roller lifter with a small opening on the bottom side of the lifter barrel that squirts oil onto the roller and cam lobe as the lifter raises the pushrod. The pressure from the pushrod depresses the plunger in the lifter and oils these parts that haven't been getting sufficient oil due to the longer distance from the rotating assembly, resulting in oil starvation. I'm told Mopar is now putting these lifters in the Hemi from the factory.

@DL101ca

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like BS if you ask me. I know they have a different lifter part number as a revision and to my knowledge the only difference was the needle bearings were larger(lower number of needle bearings on the roller). Have not seen anything like what you're describing unless this is something really new and I haven't come across such lifter yet.

@chaston0218

3 жыл бұрын

​@@DL101ca Have you taken one of the revised lifters apart to see if they have this? You can't see it without taking the roller off the lifter. According to his description the hole would need to be behind that roller in the bottom of the body of the lifter not on the outside.

@chaston0218

3 жыл бұрын

@@DL101ca kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqCels-FmKSvZLw.html

33,000 miles on my 2500 horrible , truck in dealer for 2 months still love her lol

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

It happens its a love hate relationship lol

Cam and lifters failed in my grand cherokee srt. Luckily I caught it early.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Thats good 👍

Are there aftermarket alternatives to expensive factory parts and are they any better?

@ScottDLR

8 ай бұрын

F it, I'm done with these engines. MY harmonic balancer just came apart at 66K and that's the last straw.

I had a lifter failure problem at 50k miles, replaced with hellcat and comp cam + mds delete, lifter failed again 30k miles later, rebuilt it again, 2k miles later lifter/cam failure again. Perhaps I’m cursed but I wonder why it keeps happening. Could it be the tune, wrong torque applied to the bolts, perhaps the heads weren’t cleaned right? I’m torn and starting to hate this 392 motor.

@FrostbiteRam

2 жыл бұрын

Thats crazy may me work looking into the Johnson lifters.

This video caught my eye as I figured there were multiple problems with the 6.4. Then in thr opening statement he only mentions thr one lifter failure truck. The reference of it being a lifter on number five was fully defined as the intake or the exhaust? Also did all the other trucks fail the same lifter as you eluded to? That would be the kind of info the Chrysler company engineers would love to hear? Not to mention NHTSA AND THE EPA. As I understand it a lot of 6.4 failure with the engine will affect the emissions output and make those trucks non emissions compliant. Fines and recalls would be flying all over the place. So please more info please.

So Change oil at 3k no matter what and change lifters at 100k if your keeping your truck ?

@SSGTA440

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there are synthetic oils, and grades that are inferior. Yes, change the oil WELL before the factory rated intervals.

Dear hemi and Mopar people if you want to avoid your issues every 3,000 mi Castro synthetic blend with original filter trust me I had a 5.7 with 200,000 mi never had an issue 2007 chrysler 300c

@donellmuniz590

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "original filter"? Do you have 200k miles on the oil filter your car was made with 🤔😳? Lol.

@SSGTA440

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, Castrol or even Motul european formula synthetic....

Looking at a 6.4 2500 ram with 95k on the clock They found this issue before I picked up the truck Dealer will replace cams and lifters under warranty but do I pull the plug on this deal ? We are talking other components wearing out and they call only the cams and lifters What else went dry right ?

I drove my 2006 (5.7) for 14 years. At around 70,000 miles, I started to hear a tick, and traded it in.

Honestly I bet it's lack of oil changes or oil level to low or possibly cheap oil being used. My 5.7 has 119,000 with zero cam issues. But I do change it every 3,000 and only use amsoil signature series.

@DavidDallas3343

2 жыл бұрын

Amsoil is the best 💯

@fredwilliams7893

2 жыл бұрын

Well update to my ram hemi. Traded in the garbage truck after 6 months. 6 exhaust manifold bolts broke on me and several leaks. Never buy a ram again junk

We have a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack with the 6 4L. Zero problems so far at 25k miles anywhere on the car. I have two questions: 1. I noticed that the lifter that failed in this engine was one of the non-MDS, or solid, lifters. A lot of people claim the MDS system is to blame for these problems. Has this shop seen more MDS lifter failures or solid, or are they about even? And 2: If he has any experience with them, are the high performance 6.4L engines in the Challengers and Chargers more or less prone to these issues? We plan on keeping this car regardless and will stick a new engine in it eventually if we have to, we love it that much, but it's good to know what to expect down the road. Thanks in advance for any info!

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it seems lots of the lifters that fails is a mix of mds or non mds it really doesn't just point to one it seems. My 5.7 failure was a non mds lifter as well.

@microminiskirt

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the MDS contributes to early engine failure running on 4 cylinders. It be less money to drive with all 8 cylinders than get lifters replacement over and over especially if you use band aid factory parts only to end up with same problem again down the road.

@jefferystensland1304

Жыл бұрын

@@microminiskirt Probably no way to disable the MDS system?

@microminiskirt

Жыл бұрын

@@jefferystensland1304 Buy the manual and pay the gas guzzler tax because if you are planning to keep Challenger for a long time that will pay off with one less major problem to go wrong.

@microminiskirt

Жыл бұрын

It's two separate problems "HEMI TICK" as non MDS cars have had same issues with lifter valve failures. Must go by idle times and change oil and filter frequently-very high maintenance.

I believe the key factor here is ppl letting their trucks idle for to long and oil is not getting up into the lifters.

@aarsenalfan

3 жыл бұрын

So if it's -10 and you're eating lunch in your truck , engine shouldn't be running...... that's absurd 👎

My question would be, is after market parts beet than OEM for the lifter and cam issue?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Most people use the hellcat mopar lifters not after market but its required to delete the mds if you do.

After owning several Dodge trucks and having to return to the dealer several times with each truck including a complete motor replacement on a truck with 2000 miles I'm done.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Cant blame you

Chrysler has specialized in disposable vehicles since 1980.

@bultacowally

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm I never got that notice Forest Gump.... I guess I had better dispose of my '70 'cuda that I bought 47 years ago. Doubt you could convince my son of that either after his '16 Silverado he bought new puked an engine and 8 computers at 40K miles. So how's your Kia roller skate holding up???

@ligmaballz3584

3 жыл бұрын

@@bultacowally well your “cuda” wouldn’t qualify as he specified after 1980. And Chevy is junk your son should have bought a Tundra if he wanted a long lasting full size truck.

I just ordered a 2022 Power Wagon (Dont have it for about 12 weeks).... Same Motor...I always use synthetic, but would it help to put a moly coating or other (sticky) product in the oil? I'm not a mechanic, so just curious to ask one....

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Change oil on time and stay away from long idling is best advice i could give.

My truck finally did it too same exact thing number 5 cylinder misfire. I made it to 223k miles

I have a 2019 Ram 2500 Hemi with 6900 miles and have already had the lifters replaced by the dealer and has to go back next week after putting just 500 miles on the engine for the same issue. Btw I only have 10% idle time on the engine so this is happening on brand new trucks as well

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Wow thats insane thanks for the feed back👍

@TheRamGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam thanks. It super irritating to have issues so early. I thought the 6.4l would be less problematic than a 5.7

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRamGuy i think we all did or was hoping 😓

@platec4798

3 жыл бұрын

See my long note in regards to this.... Plate [C]

@donellmuniz590

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRamGuy My 220-lb wife (Donell) is a lot MORE problematic than my 120-lb ex was 🤣. Bigger ain't always better, lol. (Just kidding, Babe 😉)

well as a FCA vehicle owner the quality has continued to go down since 2015, when it should have been improving. now that Stella, aka PSA or the French Government owns what was FCA it's only going to get worse. after one 2016 Jeep SUV, a 2015 Ram truck and now a 2020 gladiator i will be switching brands. they just build poor quality

@AmericanSurvival001

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please leave go buy a Ford I Chevy and everything will come in perspective quickly, Driven Chrysler Dodge for 52 years and driven a lot of other junk and there’s no equal to the quality not withstanding the few problems they have compared to say Ford which is the recall king

@TopHatGent

3 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanSurvival001 I agree and have had fords they are Generally much worse, but under Fiat the brands have suffered, fiat tends to ignore problems until they are forced to fix it. My 18 yr old grand Cherokee had less issues than my current gladiator. i am trying to not let the issues ruin the Jeep for me, (only at 10k miles) but it is honestly hard with so many. Best vehicle i ever owned was a toyota, zero issues to 100k miles before i traded it. tried to go American but with the French now owning the brands of former Chrysler co, they are not known for making good cars. I would love to be surprised if they can do better than FCA did as i am a die hard Jeeper.

@TopHatGent

3 жыл бұрын

@HalfShell Well JD powers is kind of a joke for reviews on any brand they are mostly paid for, CR is a good source but initial quality is no substitute for long term reliability. ATM both companies are having bad issues and cutting corners. Having owned both i had a LOT less problems with my chevys and none with my toyotas. Will be trying to keep it more American anyway, with ram being french owned now disappointedly. RIP real Chrysler, Not really a great time to be getting most car brands with the corner cutting.

@matthewm3912

2 жыл бұрын

Stellantis has been dumping money into quality control and improving their production facilities actually, and the most recent consumer reports are reflecting that.