How often do clean your chain? 🤔

@hendriksiering9077

Жыл бұрын

After every single ride, of course!

@mikedio

Жыл бұрын

Once . I fully degrease it when new and after that i wax it . Then every 300 km i wax it .

@Jean-jk4zv

Жыл бұрын

When it's dirty or noisy 🙂

@matthewdutton119

Жыл бұрын

For my rode bike once about every month unless the days ride was wet and muddy. Then I will clean it that day.

@shanebennett6722

Жыл бұрын

I clean my whole drive chain and then lube after every ride. Cassette and chain still look silver even after 2 years.

I've gone through the motion of lubing my chain, but this is the first time I'm understanding why I'm doing what I'm doing and whether I'm doing it correctly or not. There are a million videos telling us what to do - "lube your chain", "pay attention to your recovery", "do zone 2 rides!", etc. but without explaining why these things are beneficial, the advice is hard to stick. so would love more videos like this that not only talks about what to do and how to do it right, but more importantly why it's important.

Finally, someone at GCN who knows how a chain works and explains is correctly. Just remember, roller wear does not make a chain longer. It might make it shift a bit sloppy, but it’s only the pin to pin bore wear that makes a chain measure longer.

@dudeonbike800

Жыл бұрын

But they fail to appreciate that a chain ridden off road or in inclement weather on road gets dirty IMMEDIATELY. So getting it "pristine" through degreasing is really a waste of time. It's as much a waste of time as is scrubbing your tires perfectly clean after every ride. Why? They're dirty within minutes on the next ride, with all that "abrasive sludge" wearing things out right off the bat. Take care of your chains, but don't overdo it. They're consumable items that wear out. Change before elongation gets too bad and you're fine. The only exception to this is immersion waxing. I've spent 45 years cleaning chains with all the different traditional lubes, wet and dry. Finally purchased bulk wax & powder tungsten disulfide to make my own chain wax. Can't wait to finally enjoy drive trains free of gunk (even though I've always taken care to prevent the build-up).

@Roman.Denisenko.New.Zealand

Жыл бұрын

Almost all info copied from Zero Friction Cycling web

@mikeburgess5760

Жыл бұрын

Dude on Bike, when your chain gets dirty immediately, is that dirt immediately getting past lubricant & onto inner surfaces? Is it getting past the Molybdenum Disulphide or Tungsten Disulphide additives that chemically bond to the metal to reduce friction? Nope. There's more to cleaning a chain thoroughly before lubricating than just keeping mud at bay. Read up on it from Silca or Zero Friction Cycling

@dudeonbike800

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeburgess5760 yes, but it doesn't "get past" lubricants. They aren't barriers. Dirt combines with the lubricant and creates an abrasive paste. If you understand capillary action of liquids, you quickly realize that grimy lube, water & mud work their way into the links and rollers almost immediately. The lube doesn't act as a barrier - it's an attractant for grime. The advantage to wax is that it doesn't form an abrasive paste. Nor do dry lubricant powders, so they perform their function without the drawbacks of liquid lubes. And yes, I've read a lot on the subject.

If I'm using a liquid chain lube I always apply it to the inside of the chain links, i.e. the top of the lower run. This is so that centrifugal force, created by the chain rotating, will draw the lubricant through the chain. I use Squirt lube which is a wax that is applied as a liquid which then solidifies. No need to mess around with melting the wax first. My chains last forever... well a really long time and 3 times longer than when I was using an oil based lube.

@morningtidefilms

Жыл бұрын

I use Squirt as well, and this video seems to support that product choice. 90% of my rides are dry, sometimes a little dust, and I use product about every 30-50 miles.

@kieranbarry8193

Жыл бұрын

@@morningtidefilms it will last several hundred kms in dry conditions

@grahamaustin9085

Жыл бұрын

How many miles do you get from your chains then?

@bikebrain

Жыл бұрын

@@grahamaustin9085 Last SRAM AXS chain was still measuring OK after 14,000 km. I eventually replaced it because I was changing the cassette for larger sprockets.

@grahamaustin9085

Жыл бұрын

@@bikebrain That’s impressive!

I've been using immersive melt wax for over 30 yrs, but the last few years I've been using Silca Super Secret wax. I "hot wax" about every 1000 miles, but in between I wipe down the chain and apply their drip wax every 200 miles.

For those who’ve had their interests piqued and want to dive deeper, silca has a whole series of YT vids on this and more - very informative!

@wrwicky

Жыл бұрын

Zero Friction Cycling has tons of deep dive testing that correlates well to Silca’s

@boostenmkiv

Жыл бұрын

@@wrwicky This!

@Keule_from_Mars

Жыл бұрын

Dylan Johnson has a really nice "interview-style" video with ZFC about lubes and everything you need to know about ;)

@bobfoster687

Жыл бұрын

@@Keule_from_Mars Recommend!!!

@MrLuigi-oi7gm

Жыл бұрын

@@wrwicky This!

I’ve used Silca hot wax for over a year now and absolutely love it. I don’t have to worry about remembering to degrease/clean my chain and reapply drip lube every couple rides. I’ve even gone as far as waxing my wife’s and kid’s bike chains.

@chbrosz

Жыл бұрын

Same!

That was surprisingly more informative than expected. Thanks Alex.

I've been waxing all my chains for just over three years now. I love how clean everything stays

@My_HandleIs_

Жыл бұрын

Which quick chainlock do you recommend for Shimano 10 gear Ultegra/105? I take it the chain must be rewaxed ever 300 km or so, so getting it on/off easy is critical.

@alexobrien8585

Жыл бұрын

KMC do quick links -Your mileage might vary, but I’ve reused mine in the life of the chain with no detriment

@ToddNZMTB

Жыл бұрын

@@alexobrien8585 I have the same experience here but SRAM quick links, snapped them on and off dozens of times without issue.

@andrewmcalister3462

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, no chainring tattoos with wax.

@iknowzeverything2740

Жыл бұрын

Too much work. It's also noisy, and your chain rusts if you go through a puddle.

Great video Alex (Bob) Glad you also went to the wax lubrication. The real crucial part is saving wear on the Cassette and chain rings.

Well done Alex! Best demo of the inner workings of a roller chain I've seen.

Excellent video! I expected this to be the typical 'keep your chain clean and lubed techniques' video. Anything but typical, Alex gave a pro level presentation giving us a better insight into the mechanics of our chain and why to lube the proper way. Thank you GCN tech. I use Boeshield T9 lube and have for the past 20 years.

I've only very recently begun to dive into the finer details of lubrication, and I've learned that I've been using a less than ideal lubricant thus far. I'm in the process of switching over to waxing my chains, beginning by learning everything I can about the process etc.

Great video! Especially the part where you took the chain apart!!! Haven't seen this before and it really helps understanding!👍

@owenjarvis9368

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice to have closer close ups though

Really appreciate this video. As an avid but relatively new cyclist my knowledge on routine maintenance is lacking. Any tips are appreciated.

Excellent video! Thanks, Alex and GCN. I've graduated from using any old sticky wet lube (that I had to replace chains and cassettes because of!) to drip on "dry" lubes, to using hot melt wax. Learned from experience that nothing beats wax. Nothing even comes close. And that feeling of riding with a freshly waxed chain - WOW! It's hot melt wax every 200 miles under normal road riding. I do a hot water rinse first about every other time my chain goes into the crock pot.

Loved this, info on something we all should do, not exciting but essential, very informative, thanks Alex

Best chain maintenance video EVER!

@GCNalex

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Marco, quite the statement, but i will happily accept it haha

Absolutely terrific explanation, that was true GCN Tech!

Excellent and very informative video! Cheers Alex!

Excellent video! Thanks, Alex.

Thanks Alex. I learnt a lot

I use Squirt - that’s the best chain lube ever, chain always looks clean, it never forms the dreaded paste and it’s environmentally friendly. Try it out, seriously good stuff.

@robertsamuel1994

Жыл бұрын

It's fine, but far from the best. Check out zero friction cycling on youtube for intensive testing. Squirt comes out as an okay drip lube, but with penetration issues. Other more expensive wax based drip lubes like UFO drip are waaay better AND are cheaper when you take component wear into account.

@piotrwojcik1756

Жыл бұрын

Tried , good on kmc chains,they are made of stainless steel but not the best for shimano chains, after every wet ride shimano chains get rusty pretty quickly .

@iggalan

Жыл бұрын

I also use it but I don’t know how often it should be applied (if used on dry conditions). Every ride (say 20 to 80 Km)? Every 100 Km? 200 Km? Currently I clean all the transmission after every ride, clean the chain with a cloth, apply wax, remove excess, done.

@johnhutto71

Жыл бұрын

I've used it for a few years now on all my bikes. It has extended chain life, is very quiet, and keeps things clean. It has taken a little time to figure out how often to apply it though.

@tychoMX

Жыл бұрын

@@iggalan there is no set duration because it depends on the conditions you are riding. I normally wipe the chain at the end of every ride with a clean rag. If chain sounds dry or looks like it needs lubrication then that gets addressed. The TT bike needs it about once per season (weekly use, almost never used in the rain because that’s unnecessary misery). The ‘cross bike gets a full chain cleaning and relube every race. For the pros, it’s even every lap sometimes! With Squirt I found that excessive application lead to buildup around the jockey wheels. It didn’t need to be reapplied as often as I thought (road bike). I do not use it in bikes that will often deal with very dirty conditions like an MTB so not sure how it would fare there.

@3:50 I was waiting for Alex to call Si out from his previous WD-40 video😁

Thanks for going in depth for this one by taking apart the chain.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

Glad we could help! 🙌 Did you learn anything in this video?

@javabk

Жыл бұрын

Great job! Wish the camera man had the focus on the chain than in:out in a confusing way

@andrewmcalister3462

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I had never actually looked inside at the rollers. Learned something with this video.

I loved that learned a lot and really like your presenting. I ride XCM and train mostly on gravel and dirt roads I rotate two chains and clean and lube them after every ride, no mater how long or short and I use a good waxy lube. I'm lucky if I get 1500km on one chain and 6000km on a Cassette.

Thanks for the video. I relube the chain with MucOff dry weather lube after each cleaning as I don’t like to ride in the rain. I do a cleaning after 2-3 rides depending upon time availability.

Great video, vey usefull, finally I learn how to lube the chain of my bikes :)

Ancillary to this, I have found that cleaning the pulley wheels fastidiously reduces drivetrain friction quite a lot.

I have used approx. 25 different chain lubes over the last 30 years looking for the holy grail. The conclusion is it does not exist. I need to lube every 300km on average. I put 350 to 500km per week on average during the season. I clean my chain with mineral spirits (Varsol) until clear 3x then rinse with denatured alcohol. three years ago I tried wax. A real pain in the ass. Two seasons ago I was using Silca's secret sauce. It would last about 300km, but the chain would be black to the touch and I would have to clean the chain completely otherwise the product would not adhere to the chain if I wanted to do a touch-up to the chain. On the recommendation of Chris Horner (winner of Vuelta 13'), I tried the Squirt product. Best so far and it allows for touch-ups. After 8000km my chain has very little wear as measured with digital calipers. I run Record chains on my bikes. If Campy had a reusable quick link I would use an ultra-sonic cleaner.

I thought I knew it all, you are good!

Great video. And after you have cleaned and lubed your chain, check for wear. New chain links are exact 1 inch apart. So get a ruler in inches and precisely measure 10 links with the clean chain on the bike. If your 10 th link is 1,5 mm or 1/16 inch off, put on a new chain. Thats about 0,6% “stretch”. Some say replace the chain at 0,5% some say at 0,75%. And because a chain is so much cheaper than a cassette or chainring and far more easy to replace, just replace your chain early. So clean and lubricate your chain as shown in the video. And replace your worn chain in time. And you don’t need a chain checker, just a ruler in inches. That is so much more clear and easy. Enjoy your diy. 🚴🏻‍♂️🔧

Dyan Johnson just uploaded a great video on this topic on his KZread channel. Zero Friction Cycling is a great place to go to decide which lube is best for you. Wax based is the only way to go. Silca Super Secret, Silca Synergetic or Rex Black Diamond look like great options for people or do not want to do the heated wax treatment.

@MrLuigi-oi7gm

Жыл бұрын

This!!!

@ianiscaratti4924

Жыл бұрын

zfc did a lot for the lube market

Thought I knew all there was to know about how and why to lube a chain....not so! Great vid, and ta very much!

Wow useful video. Expertly told.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

That's what we like to hear! Have you been struggling with this job recently? 👀

I use an upgrade to Si's WD40 hack. It's rhe WD40 Specialist White Lithium protective grease. Works like a champ you just spray it on liberally and wipe any excess off with an old sock. Chains are quiet, last a long time and no need for all the faff. Time is money

i use rock&roll gold [light] to clean the chain and C3 ceramic [heavy] to lube. i have used all kinds of lube but these two combination works perfectly for both of my road and hybrid. keeps the chain clean and lubed longer and I can easily get about 4k miles out of midgrade chains before needing a change.

Thank Alex

excellent video and advice.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Hope you get the most out of your chain now!!! 🙌

I use Silca's Super Secret chain wax, which you showed in the video. I bought an Insta Pot, and a temp. guage also. You heat the wax in the Insta Pot to 140 degrees, put a clean chain in, and pull it out after a few minutes. It have been doing this for a few months now, and it works amazing! No more gunky chain lube, and greasy bike. Its quieter, and you can tell it's more efficient. i'm not sure about the long term for wear, but from what I see, your chain will last longer.

Great explanation! A clean, properly lubricated chain can last 3 times longer than a neglected chain. In my opinion and experience the coating on a new chain is a preservative. It is there to protect the chain from rusting in storage and it is a magnet for dirt. After degreasing your new chain coat your new chain with a real chain lubricant. It will shift better, run quieter and last much longer. There is a culprit on the road waiting to eat your chain. It's carbon dust, from car tires. Your front tire picks the dust up and throws it at your chain. Carbon dust, a molecular abrasive, can get into the tight places much faster than dirt. Carbon rubs your chain the wrong way. Cleaning and lubing your chain can help control that unavoidable evil intruder.

OMFG this man works for the GCN corpo hacks. Interesting how long he will be able to tell the honest truth.

Good job Alex. I clean my chains about three times a year and they run quiet and last at least three years, so far. Except my trainer, which has had the same chain for five years and doesn't get very dirty. It's only been cleaned a couple of times and I just add lube as needed. That said, I've never measured them. Maybe they're worn out and I just haven't noticed. Often I clean a chain because I'm switching from dry/wet lube with the seasons.

@My_HandleIs_

Жыл бұрын

You can measure chain wear with a cheap tool. At 0,75% (longer than from factory), a new chain is needed.

I use "WPL Wet Lube" works a treat, bio degradable, stays on the chain in wet conditions, doesn't pick up much crap even on my gravel bikes (but it is a wet lube so it does pick up some) but emulsifies under high-ish (standard hose) pressure or with minimal brushing and no special solvents or degreasers required. Some of the cycling magazines made a big song and dance about how good it was, rating it above many of the usual suspects a few years back, but then it faded in obscurity for some reason. Weird stuff very thick like syrup when applying but a few turns of the cranks and it goes thin.

I use racing oil on my every day racing bike, especially for wet weather. Because it better protects my chain against bad weather conditions. In the summer I use "dry lube" because it lubricates and shifts the chain well. I work in a bicycle shop and a while ago an email from SRAM went around asking not to use wax. We also notice in the workshop that a lube shifts much better and is quieter than wax.

@chriswright9096

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's my experience too but I'm always a little scared to voice it because so many people swear by the waxy stuff (its a kind of emperor's new clothes thing).

@papalegba6796

8 ай бұрын

Weldtite all weather TF2 is the best everyday bike oil by far, cheap too. Tho honestly I'd rather use engine oil than trash like muc-off, squirt, or whatever...

I'm a Paraffin Wax + PTFE guy mostly. Recently bought Tru Tension All Weather Tungsten to use as a top-up (& hopefully deposit some Tungsten Disulphide on inner surfaces to lower friction). I was using a large slow cooker but that failed, so now use food bags with ziplock tops (same as Molten Speed Wax or Silca use?) & melt in hot water. Initial cleaning (meths + isopropyl alcohol) the longest stage...

Molten Speed Wax all the way! I never clean my drive train anymore. At least no degreasing. Wipe down some dry wax residue using a rag from time to time. Once thoroughly cleaned then waxed for the first time, no need to do any more degreasing of drive trains. pop the chain off, dunk it in wax pot, shake then dry, pop it back on the bike. Used to get anywhere from 2000-6000 kms using various chain lubes. Having converted to wax 5 years ago, last chain lasted 20,000 km to reach 0.5 wear.

4:12 nice ring, Manon!

I use squirt lube (wax based). Cheap and keeps the chain life long. No need to mess around with melting the wax first. Just need to fully strip the factory grease. Best of all, it's clean and shiny.

@richardmiddleton7770

2 ай бұрын

Rubbish in the wet and having to fully degrease and dry the chain everytime is a PITA.

Loved this...I use wax as my lubricant of choice.

SILCA secret sauce. Excellent video.

Great video, thanks Alex! You mentioned reversing rotating the crank backwards after applying lube to the cleaned chain. I may of missed it, but curious the reverse action as opposed to normal forward rotation - what’s the reason? Cjeers

@ianiscaratti4924

Жыл бұрын

it,s just because you can't rotate it forward when not having the bike on a bikestand. simple

What a great video Alex! Really well explained, I wanted to immediately go clean and re-lube my bike chain 😊 Do you have any tips on cleaning the chain on a direct drive turbo trainer? I’m reluctant to do to much cleaning in case it drips and messes with the electronics.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

That's how we know we've done a good job! 🙌

Hi Sjoerd, awesome video! Can you elaborate on how lubricant can be applied to the surface between de outer and inner links? The advice is to apply it the inside of the rollers, so how is that lube supposed to get to that area? Take the subway? 🤔 Sad to hear you're not invited to the bike festival, maybe we can crowdsource you a ticket? Interns are people too you know! Keep up the good work bob, Alex & team

Highly recommend Rock N Roll wax and lube combo, stays very clean and lubed, I wash out my chain every 60 miles, spray it out with WD40 then douse it in Dawn dishwashing soap ( a great non corrosive degreaser) spray wash, dry with a towel then apply waxy chain lube, of course clean chain ring and cassette at same time. Chain looks new always, cheers…

I have used "Super Slick Slick Stuff" for years. Never a problem.

Mark the chain with the chalk or crayon in your puncture repair kit to indicate the start and finish point when lubing up. Avoids over lubing.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

Nice Hack! 🙌

@jt0759

Жыл бұрын

Start with the master link

@bruceperry1408

11 ай бұрын

You wipe of excess anyway but if you using expensive stuff be obcessive for that reason.

A few things learned in my recent marginal gains pursuit of chain waxing: 1. MuckOff marketing sucks (and creates a landfill nightmare) with their little UV lights in each package and glowing lube encouraging users to douse the outside of their chains. 2. It's important not to degrease the chain while on the bike (or be careful) because degreaser can or will (certainly if you service as much as I did) attack wheel and cassette bearings. I'm so impressed with my "cheap" ultrasonic cleaner. My "clean" chain left a couple spoonfulls of black gunk in the bottom! The wax lasts much longer so needs less servicing, fills more voids and saves the rest of the drive train.

Cameo of Hank the Tank? Thumbs go up!

I have been using wax for some time now and it's the best option there is. It lasts longer, it lubes better than anything else and you can touch the chain after riding and have a clean hand. Never going back to liquid lubes again.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear that you've adopted waxing your chain 🙌

@GSHemuli

Жыл бұрын

How often you need to apply new wax? I am interested in this, but have doubts how they last in very long continuous rides (400-500km)

@timp2751

Жыл бұрын

Depends on conditions. Dry that distance should be fine but wet can wash out the wax fairly quickly. The performance of wax suspension bottled lubes should give you a good idea, a hot wax soaking is better but not massively so.

@martinmikus472

Жыл бұрын

@@GSHemuli I just go by the sound of the chain, not a set number of km. But I think it could be around ~200. That said, I have an e-bike so there is more strain on the chain. It also depends on how well you clean the chain before waxing. I use melted paraffin wax without any additives so with a purpose made wax you can probably get a bit more too. Then lastly you can extend the interval by using the liquid wax lube when you start to hear squeaking without cleaning the chain or taking it off and it will last a bit longer.

@GSHemuli

Жыл бұрын

@@martinmikus472 thank you for the info! I use Ultrasonic cleaner for all my chains. I will try some recommend molten wax from zero friction cycling and see how long it lasts.

I use the Silca Synergetic lube. The wax lube didn't last long in the wet conditions where I live. My chain cleaning interval depends upon the weather. When its wet, I clean and lube the chain after every ride. During the summer, dry weather, I clean and lube the chain weekly.

@gcntech

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear you are using Silca! 🙌 Having a Chain cleaning schedule is a great idea! Do you find it helps with keeping ontop of maintenance?

Im all for that retro Casio!

Would love to try chain waxing but Scotland is wet. For that reason I can’t be bothered going through the whole waxing process every single time after a rainy ride 😢

@ianiscaratti4924

Жыл бұрын

do the same process with multiple chains so you can just switch out or use waxbased driplube...

@mr.monitor.

Жыл бұрын

Just uses CRC chain lube or the extreme duty version. It doesn't care about water.

I've had issues with dry lubes on new chains. Always get stiff links so now I just use all weather lube

Nice to finally talk about waxing. I have been doing this for the last 2 years and there is no turning back. No more degreasers and black gunk. A tip to apply the wax with a chain on is to have it crossed (bibby-big) to open up the link surfaces. Also, you can use this trick: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2qrz7GjlNHLn7w.html

I don't think anyone has mentioned the quality of the chain itself. Often the ones that come stock on bikes are not the greatest. I usually wait for the inevitable chain wear and then replace with an Ultegra chain which lasts much much longer. Also, have modern narrower chains (a result of going from 5-cogs in 1980s to 12 cogs today) made the chain wear problem greater? I wouldn't be surprised.

Hi @GCN Tech: I'm Sadly missing one important thing: please precise WHERE TO APPLY the lubricant! Sometimes, it's done right, sometimes, it's done wrong in your examples in the video! If you are on the road and don't have time to let your freshly lubed chain sit over night, lube the INNER circumference of the chain! Therefor, apply the oil on the chain below the chain stay! The centrifugal force generated when pedaling then transports your lube past the pins and through the entire chain, to all those places, exactly where we want it to reach! When done wrong by lubing the chain on the outside, because of the centrifugal force generated by pedaling, all the oil is going to fling off, and there it is, where the real waste of product is talking place! Only ever apply lube on the outer side of your chain, when you have time to let it sink in and let gravity do it's job over night! And it's only the next morning, when you wipe off the excess product!

@chriswright9096

10 ай бұрын

I think the oil penetrates the microscopic gaps between rollers, pins and links via capillary action and by virtue of its low viscosity. I don't think gravity or centrifugal force matters so much.

@irisgallati

10 ай бұрын

@@chriswright9096 it does indeed matter especially in racebikes if you shift the chain through all the gears.... And it is dangerous when having rimbrakes, because drops of lube could fling off the chain and hit the rim... Small but important security mesure tought at any swiss professional bike mechanic formation school.

Service bikes as a hobby. Majority of my time is spent removing large amounts of oil and grease from chain, derailleurs, frame and back wheel. I use Rock’n’Roll Gold or Rock’n’Roll Extreme on chain after a clean and degrease. Cleans and lubricates and no mess. Bikes that are transported in cars now don’t mess up upholstery.

I don't destroy chains - I clean and lubricate them with Muc-off lubricants when needed -, but on the flipside I had a chain that destroyed itself after just two years. The other day I took it off in order to clean it and, when I inspected it closely, I found out four link plates were cracked. At first I thought it was just some small debris that got stuck in a pin - some lint or hair, or something like that -, but it was actually a crack. The same with three other links. It was a PC-890 chain, the most expensive in SRAM's 8-speed range. Looking at the bright side of it, I detected the cracks in time and fortunately the chain didn't snap during one of my long-ish rides. And I could make some nice and shiny key holders out of it. Which was nice.

Gear oil tuppence a Gallon used for 50 years works perfectly no need for fancy crap that costs a fortune

@papalegba6796

8 ай бұрын

Works better in fact, people like these waxes & dry lubes cos they don't want to get their hands or clothes dirty 😂

100% brill, my dude. Molten wax.. undisputedly the best lube method. Silca Secret Chain lube.. arguably the best molten wax, top shelf either way. Imo the next best is drip on wax. My chain is so clean and quiet I feel privileged to use this stuff.

Parktool chain checker is the best tool iv ever brought, chains are cheaper than cassettes to replace

Silca Synergetic in m opinion is by far the best lube I've ever used. Over 3,000 miles of UK conditions with all year riding and the chain checker tool only just went in at 0.5 after that many miles. I have used Muc Off (absolutely awful!), Fenwick's, and finishline, but silca is by far the best. I reckon I can get well over 3000 miles from my chain with better cleaning habits.

I think my technique results to even cleaner chain if using wet lubes - I remove the chain from the bike whenever I re lube, to completely avoid getting lube to the cassette and chain ring. I then lay down the chain over an old newspaper or rag and then apply the lube. The old newspaper will absorb any excess oil and grime from the chain. And finally wipe the chain down very thoroughly with a rag before putting back on the bike to remove any oil on the chain's surface. Back pedal the bike as quickly as possible for few minutes and any more excess oil will get to the chain's surface which you must wipe off again with rag. Repeat back pedaling for few minutes and wiping off until the chain is no longer showing any oil. This way, the chain will only have just enough oil in the pins to lubricate but little to none on the outside to attract dirt.

It appears to me that one way to shorten the life of a chain is to "clean it too well". By cleaning down to and into the factory lubricated part of the chain, we can actually be removing quality lubricant and replacing it with inferior lubricant. Worse still, road dirt and grime will have easier access to the working parts of the chain. As in everything, there is a balance between clean and too clean.

@JoshuaBorrow

Жыл бұрын

Factory lubricant was good 20 years ago. Now it is terrible. If you are using any modern product, you should remove all of the factory grease before applying. See Zero Friction Cycling.

@PNH-sf4jz

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBorrow Thanks for your reply Josh, I will check out Zero Friction Cycling for more info. Cheers, PNH

Wet lube all year round. I get about 2000 miles out of a chain before it hits the 1% mark on my chain checking tool (the highest is about 2800 miles, over last year's dry summer months, the lowest was about 600 miles through a particularly wet winter when I picked up a lot of rubbish off the roads and ended up with a grinding paste!) I also find that a cassette won't last much longer than 4000 miles, (measured by seeing if a new chain jumps on the sprockets when installed) but that's another story.

@My_HandleIs_

Жыл бұрын

Change chain at 0,75% to preserve your cassette

@grahamaustin9085

Жыл бұрын

I estimate that I get between 2,400 and 2,800 miles on my chains and change at 0.7%. I have a cassette that still worked fine at 24,000 miles when I replaced it (when the chainwheels wore out).

@MBeest1000

Жыл бұрын

That's pretty good going! I can't get 24,000 miles from one cassette (well, not from the most used sprockets on the cassette - it'd be nice if one could buy single sprockets so I could just replace the worn one). How many speeds has the cassette got? (I'm using an 11 speed, and I find it wears quicker than my old 8 speed which I still use from time to time).

@grahamaustin9085

Жыл бұрын

@@MBeest1000 I have an 11 speed 105 cassette (it’s cheaper than Ultegra😆). I do change chains frequently though.

i started using Silca Secret hot wax 2 years ago and will never go back to drip lubes again. The chain and bike stay so clean, and the drivetrain is very quiet and efficient.

Squirt lube actually recommends lubing the cassette by cycling the freshly lubed chain through the cogs to coat them.

@ianiscaratti4924

Жыл бұрын

but this is a silca commercial

One case to lube your cassette. I used a degreaser and sonicator to clean my cassette and chain on a regular basis. I've found that if i take the degreased casset and then store it, it will form rust spots. A quick wipe of oil will keep this from happening.

Pro wax bike 7 - take it, hold it, love it. All about chain lube

I run 2 chains..always have a clean one to throw on once a month--Silca is the way to go, but dont go the slow cooker method..just drop in jar and shake..works just as good

Great video. First time I've seen a completely dissected chain anywhere really, so touché on that. However, I respectfully disagree about the bits on not lubing the cassette, the chainrings, and the external chain surfaces, so hear me out please. I put a drop on one tooth of each cog and ring after I lube the chain, and then I run through the gears - all of them. Then, I wipe everything down with white cotton while spinning the crank. I want to see the residue decrease with each pass. There is ALWAYS something left on the cloth no matter how long one wipes. While wiping, I want my external chain surfaces and exposed parts of the cogs and rings every so slightly oiled because these surfaces do slide against each other, especially under torque. I am sorry, but I just don't see how lubing only the inside of the chain gets to these surfaces. Do I pick up more grime? I would suppose so, but I don't see it because I wash and lube my bike every week, or immediately after any wet or dirty ride. Does my bike shift better? I wouldn't know as my bikes are always clean and lubed. I also don't mind jumping on a sale of a new cassette and/or chain. I've had my Ultegra 11 speed for 8 years now and have replaced both the cassette and chain once because of a blowout sale, not because I had to. My bike with the SRAM Red hasn't seen any sales! LOL! Anyway, if you regularly clean your bike and really wipe it down after oiling, you can lube away I guess is the moral to my story. BTW, your golf club brush works perfectly!

I'm surprised that magnatech that used in some engine lubricant is not in chain lube. Also, the additives that clean while lubing. Seems ideal for a chain ✌️

Since you asked, I use homemade lube of 3 parts mineral spirits to 1 part synthetic motor oil. I’ve recently added a little STP to the mix. I relube my chain about every 200 miles, give the mineral spirits time to evaporate, and then wipe down the chain sometime before the next ride. It’s cheap enough that I can use it liberally to wash the chain while lubing. I install a new chain once it shows 50% wear. I get 3000-5000 miles at this rate depending on road conditions I ride in. Ultegra 11-speed chains are cheap enough not to use high-priced lubes and extra time with waxing. I know that not everyone maintains their bikes well, so that may be cause for them to use expensive lubes. I find this to be the best cost-time benefit for me.

@nluisa

Жыл бұрын

I found motor industry derived products often work much better, however, I also became aware that is also because they don't biodegrade (they are not meant to either). I moved on to readily biodegradable products which, although not as durable, work well enough and won't persist in the soil. Fenwick's all weather lube was the best one I found so far. Lasts a few hundred km and yet washes off easily with citrus cleaner.

I've found a fantastic product. 'Wood Silk', furniture polish. Natural Bee's wax in solvent that boils off. Wax and solvent flow into rollers and then solvent vaps off.

I use rock n roll red. It cleans and lubes in one so different approach. What do you think Alex. Chain is never dark with grease as it does not pick up dirt.

@ianiscaratti4924

Жыл бұрын

heard this a lot but cleaning is solvent and lubing is basicly the opposit or do I missunderstand something?

does anyone else get the impression that GCN films a lot of random segments then smashes them together with little disregard for fluidity?

Castrol Power1 Racing 2T 2-stroke engine oil. About 1/4 the price of the best chain oils and probably does a better job due to more and longer R&D. Very good in the wet also, you can see the water beading on the surface but its also very easy to degrease with GT85 (also much cheaper than most drive chain degreasers). You're welcome. 👍

Great video…the only thing I would disagree with is “don’t use light aerosol lubricant”. I’ve regularly used WD40 for years and I know it’s not a chain lube but it does a great job of keeping it quiet, reducing friction and not attracting dirt. I just replaced a chain after 7000km but only because I got a new wheel / cassette, and I swear the old chain looked almost identical to the new chain. Other riders have commented on how clean my drivetrain is.

@martyjbrown

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that!

Hi Guys, I use to clean the chain with a thin motoroil like SAE 5W and a microfibre cloth every 100-200km. That of course includes the cassette, chainrings and rollers. Then, in winter, I just use the same oil for a slight lubrication. In Summer, I lubricate with transmission oil SAE80 instead to make it stick better. Smells a little though. Big advantage is that these oils are cheap and never harden. Which means that you do not have to spend even more money and time on degreasing. Just clean and lubricate and wipe the excess oil off with a clean microfibre cloth. My chains last about one year until they approach the wear limit after about 6000-7000km, cassette and chain rings twice as long. Considering the money I do NOT spend on expensive special products, this seems a good compromise to me. Remember: A new chain costs less than a new can of expensive lube plus degreaser. I did a lot of Enduro & MC when I was younger and that are really chain murdering conditions. But the same applied: A seasonal selection of thick and thin engine or gearbox oils if applied frequently do the trick at a fraction of the cost of expensive special products. Think of the camchain in an internal combustion engine, which lubrication does it get? Correct. And If you are environmentally conscious: Use bio-degradable chainsaw oil. Or olive oil in winter. Also smells much nicer than gearbox oil.😀 But avoid other natural oils like sunflower, they harden quickly, olive oil is best.

@mikeburgess5760

Жыл бұрын

But engines are not usually subject to the same level of external contamination that chains are to create a grinding paste (& they have a filter to deal with eg soot) so not really a good comparison

@chriswright9096

10 ай бұрын

Isn't engine oil optimized for the higher temperatures found inside engines? Having said that, I imagine your method works fine as long as you clean the chain regularly. I find some of the expensive waxy lubes don't last long (sometimes less than a single ride before the chain gets that dry, unlubricated feel to it).

I love the hot wax method.

The first chain on my bike only lasted 2500km. At that time it started to feel very rough and when I replaced it, the new chain skipped on the cassette so badly I couldn't even leave my own street. I was very disappointed and annoyed that I destroyed those components of my brandnew bike so fast. The second chain lasted 4500km. A lot better already. With a new chain, annoyingly it skipped again, so needed my third casette already. As a precaution, I ordered new chain rings as well, but not with the intention to put them on straight away. But when comparing the old and new chain rings, I saw that the teeth on the old ones lost well over a third of their width. So I ended up replacing the whole drivetrain. Then a changed a few things. First of all, I switched to wax based lube. And secondly, I started rotating two chains on one cassette about every 1000km, which is about a month for me. Currently I have done 8000km with the two chains, cassette and chain rings and there is no sign of significant wear. I am pretty sure I can get at least another 1000km out of them and possibly a lot more, so it will definitely get me through the winter. Now I am almost starting to get worried that they aren't worn out before I go on a big trip this spring. I do wonder if I would need to replace the whole drivetrain including the chain rings next time, or that I can get another 10k-ish out of the chain rings. Until today I am not completely sure what I did wrong on the first chain. I did degrease, clean and relubricate regularly. I might have lubricated it a bit excessively, but I still cannot believe that it is the only cause. Maybe my offroad bike packing trip added to it.

Ceramic lube from muc-off. Always dry lube even if it rains since I think it is easier to maintain.

After watching this video my thoughts were derailed by a series of chain reactions!

I never re apply wet lube. but the dry lube I will if the chain still looks clean.

Yes, with every pedal push!

Great information. I find the light lubes wash off in the rain very easily, so I worry about riding on damp days. Is there a product that still works when wet?

@blubaughmr

Жыл бұрын

Oil. Dry lubes for dry riding, wet lubes for wet riding.

Rock N Roll says you should shift to the highest gear, i.e., small cog on cassette and big ring up front. Does this really make any difference? What do you think? They also say to stream on the lube over the small cog while pedaling backwards (I also asked this in the Comments of another of GCN's lube videos). Thanks!

What about the finish line degreaser and chain lube?

Ultra sonic cleaner a god send cleans chain very well dry put back on lube just like new