In the past, Nikon have designed their own sensors for a few of their flagship cameras, so they do know a thing or two about sensor design as well. Presently, Nikon uses Sony sensors, but they still modify them for use with their own system. I think they will work great together with RED.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

I think we will see a shift towards global shutters and we will see them phase out shutters because it would make camera designs simpler and smaller. Also they could include internal NDs

@Ben_Stewart

4 ай бұрын

Not entirely true. The Nikon Z8/9 stacked sensor was designed by Nikon and only available to Nikon and not Sony customers.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

but is sony still manufacturing it?@@Ben_Stewart

@Ben_Stewart

4 ай бұрын

Nikon designed Sony baked it. The sensor is not available to anybody else but Nikon.@@MitchellMillennial

@RadAlzyoud

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennialWell, TSMC manufacturers Apple Silicon chips. Are you going to call them TSMC Silicon!

The same patent loophole that Nikon used to defeat RED can't be used by ANY camera company now. This is the original patent filing date vs the "actual" very "first" RED camera sold at NAB. This problem seems to void RED's patent paperwork itself and THIS was Nikon's defense against RED that stopped RED in their tracks.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Could you link me or explain more on the subject?

@YouTube_can_ESAD

4 ай бұрын

Cliff is completely full of ****. RED was looking to sell for the last 6-7 years, you guys ZERO idea what you’re talking about and it shows… This was absolutely NOT a hostile takeover, this move was strategic on every level. This was a half billion dollar payday for the management team at RED, they wanted this to happen.

@user-zr4km5ns8t

Ай бұрын

If Nikon's legal argument boiled down to the fact that RED's patent should never have been granted in the first place, I'm wondering how Nikon can now assume a patent that it just argued was inappropriately allowed to begin with. There must be something I'm not aware of here.

@CLIFFLIX

Ай бұрын

@@user-zr4km5ns8t - Nikon doesn't care about the patent. Nikon wanted the RED brand regardless of it's raw patent.

@user-zr4km5ns8t

Ай бұрын

@@CLIFFLIX Of course they want the patent. They went to court to keep the right to have the Z9 process 8K NRAW files. In the hybrid market the ability to do that marks the Z8 & Z9 as worthy of competing with Sony & Canon. In fact it's now the most exciting thing going for the Z line, the ability down the road to see RED Raw matched with Nikon glass in a 35mm format. Nikon is building a bridge from videography to cinema at an affordable price point.

Firmware updates of all Z cameras will get interesting. Please note that Nikon color science in digital era was drawn from cooperation with analog film manufacturer Fujifilm, while Canon from Kodak. Pentax, Minolta and Olympus had to invent it and their market stature shows it.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Sure does

Very interesting video. I agree with you. I think Red will get access to Nikon's autofocus, cinema lenses and IBIS (8 stop). In return, Nikon gets access to Red's global shutter tech. So there's good synergy.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Nikon already makes a shutter-less camera. For them to take the next step and make it global would be game changing

It goes without saying that only Nikon cameras with Xpeed 7 processors are candidates to get RED Raw codec enabled updates. The Xpeed 6 in the Z6 II for example wouldn't be able to process the data fast enough. So the Z9, Z8, & presumably the Z6 III seem like the landing spots. The rumored Z6 III is supposedly going to handle 6K video. I wonder if it would stay there or make the jump to 8K if Nikon chooses to go that far down the lineup with the RED Raw update? Assuming the rumors of a June release date are true, it would seem likely the Z6 III could see 8K within a year. What a huge breakthrough it would be to see a $3K Nikon processing 8K RED Raw.

@MitchellMillennial

19 күн бұрын

Fact

For photo sony maybe slightly better autofocus than Nikon. But for video, Oh man the Z9 and Z8 rock it.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

I mean, have you tried an a7iii?

One possibility is that Red will have access to Nikon's lenses or Nikon will develop a cine lens line for Red....

@MitchellMillennial

3 ай бұрын

It's already been reported Nikon will adopt r3d

Sony only manufacturers Nikons sensors, Nikon designs its own sensors. I don’t think Tower jazz has the capability to fabricate enough sensors for Nikon. As far as I understand, they’re more low yield high price.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Nikon has used sensors identical to what Sony uses with a few tweaks but fundamentally the same

NIKON to make cine camera bodies and cine lenses with autofocus. Excellent reliable, quality, lower prices, and with artificial intelligence in software etc.. Exciting times to be in the field.

@MitchellMillennial

2 ай бұрын

Yeah

When will it change the speed of light?

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Definitely

Reasons why RF is going away: 1) Z mount flange distance and RF diameter means you cannot mount Z lenses on RF and viceversa. Sony alpha lenses could be mounted on a Z mount and there exists adapters that do this today. So nikon has ZERO incentive to keep the RF mount to sell canon lenses and NOT Z lenses outside of potentially giving people time to make the switch. 2) Canon's RF cinema lineup is nothing nikon cannot match and the reason Nikon is a good match for Red is because they can produce proper cine lenses for Red without any weird royalties or risk by adopting Canon's proprietary mount. Not to mention nikon would need to commit to supporting all future advances in the communication protocol of canon lenses and support customers with something they don't control: canon designs. 3) A Z-mount Red is a natural path for nikon video shooters who would like to not have to go out and buy a bunch of canon glass just to shoot red. How ridiculous would that be? You own a Z8/Z9 and you want to make the step up to Red. Step 1, sell all your nikon gear and buy canon lenses...LMAO. No company is this crazy to tell that to their most loyal customers. 4) Supporting more mounts only makes sense if your market demands it. People demand PL lens support, but I bet there is more demand to support Sony glass than RF canon glass for the simple reason sony is FAR more dominant in video than canon. Canon RF cannot physically mount sony alpha lenses as the sony mount would sit INSIDE the canon mount. So it makes a million times more sense to let 3rd party adapters handle the sony protocol like they do on the consumer cameras and for nikon to just quietly entice sony shooters by reducing the cost of entry. 5) seriously, if you're a nikon executive looking for a new market for lenses, Red just became your next source of sales. They are probably already designing a Z komodo II. I don't think Nikon will kill the RF mount tomorrow. But there is no universe in which the Z mount is not the premier mount for red going forwards. There may be a canon RF version if the market demands it but I'd expect it to launch second and not really support every canon lens perfectly.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

I didn't say they would kill RF tomorrow, but I think in the future it will be an interchangeable LPL/PL/Z/EF without any RF mount.

@cmdrls212

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennial yes, and even Sony G lenses with an adapter. Nikon has a comparable system but there are gaps where Sony has some decent offerings, in particular if we get AF in the future with Red.

@Ben_Stewart

4 ай бұрын

It's all about the back focus. You're right you can adapt the Sony mount to Z but Canon and the Rf mount have made it impossible software wise to communicate with 3rd party lenses let alone adapters.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

this is correctm canon have gone out of their way to keep rf a closed system@@Ben_Stewart

The only people who really know what Nikon will do are the people at Nikon. Whatever does happen, I expect it to happen very slowly.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Facts

so nikon will SCREW up any Focus system Red had LOL

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Uh, what are you talking about

@DAVE_WHITE

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennial Nikon has shit autofocus

@Ben_Stewart

4 ай бұрын

Nikon AF is now better than Sony and Canon. Latest firmware on my Z8 blows by the competition.

@DAVE_WHITE

4 ай бұрын

@@Ben_Stewart haha guess you havent even shot a r6 or r3 these days keep dreaming.. .

@Ben_Stewart

4 ай бұрын

Why would I want to use EF glass with RF mounts slapped on the rear? @@DAVE_WHITE

🤢🤮🤢Once Jim Jennard departed RED I had a feeling and it became true, that RED was slowly losing money, momentum and they were heading slowly to extinction so the new owner and CEO sold it before he lost even more money. I was one of the first RED ONE original camera owners and RED treated me like crap after I paid them their $40K all at once for the Red One with all accessories. I was one of the first 500 buyers that should have received the RED One but RED played favorites and shipped over 5,000 Red Ones before they shipped mine so I lost valuable time to rent it so I can recuperate the $40K I paid them. I'm still trying to get rid of it and will never trust this company or Panasonic ever again. Panasonic's problem is that they introduce a camera and 3 years later they stop any technical support on it, so AVOID Panasonic at all costs.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

How is Panasonic related?

@onceuponatime800

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennial No relation to RED. Panasonic is a company to avoid, because they introduce lots of overrated cameras and 3 years later they stop supporting them. Not to mention the proprietary DVCPro memory cards that cost over $500 for 64GB (around $250 USED on eBay). They finally dropped these cards and adopted the widely use microSDXC cards.

Tower Jazz is owned by two companies. 51% is owned Israel company and 49% is owned by a taiwanese company. It use to be opened by Panasonic 100%. The Nikon D3 uses a Panasonic srnsor. Nikon wants to have RED for sensor technology. If Nikon keeps using Sony sensors they have to wait until Sony feels like giving them new sensor technology.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Do you think we'll get red color science as well?

@CLIFFLIX

4 ай бұрын

TowerJazz is no longer "Tower Jaz". They renamed the company to "Tower Semi-Conductor".

@SooksVI

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennial I think we will get a RED codec soon for Nikon. The founder of RED mentioned in an interview that they were looking into REDCODE and N-log. The same day of the acquisition announcement, Adobe stated in their support forum that they have halted development of NRAW support in Adobe Premiere Pro. I think the timing is interesting and we may be seeing a new firmware update soon.

@bigrobotnewstoday1436

4 ай бұрын

@@CLIFFLIX Tower Jazz always sounded a little funny to me. Like it was a music store. Here in Boston we use to have Tower Records.

@bigrobotnewstoday1436

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennial I think if Nikon is smart they will put RED colors in Nikon cameras and Nikon colors in RED cameras. I think Nikon was designing sensor tech but then going to Sony and seeing how far or how much they could get out of Sony was a problem. Now they don't need Sony anymore and they can get even better sensors then what they was getting from Sony. Also Nikon has a way better mount then Sony. And some lens from Sony have come out kind of crappy. Their 70-200mm f2.8 Mark 2 at 70mm the bokeh is busy and their 600mm the bokeh was not the best. But they have made a lot of good lens but sometimes they do run into lens design issues with the small mount. Their mount was really only designed for crop sensor cameras. And they did not want to design a new mount. Sony was bettering on A-Mount to take off with their SLT technology that never really took off.

RF mount on RED is dead. Nikon design their sensors from the scratch. RED tweaks third party designs.

@MitchellMillennial

4 ай бұрын

Actually red designs their sensors from scratch with the company formerly known as tower jazz, Nikon has been using Sony sensors for a while. That's why we're likely to see more Nikon cameras with internal raw and global shutters

@cmdrls212

4 ай бұрын

@@MitchellMillennial Nikon used to work with tower jazz and may still do. Sony has two arms of relevance here: cameras and semiconductors. The semiconductor division is a foundry and they will make products for Nikon, or anybody. TSMC does the same when they make products for Intel. So it is more accurate to say Nikon uses sony's semiconductor arm fabricated sensors. They however don't have to use Sony's fabrication or Sony's designs. I think Nikon will continue to use Sony's fabs and to be honest, I would not be surprised of Red's sensors were fabbed by sony. How can that be? corporate firewalls. Intel is doing the same with their fab arm so they can make chips for nvidia, apple, AMD, you name it, even as their CPU arm competes with all of the above. In the end these companies are structured as divisions for a reason: the semiconductor arm wants to be a factory for the world and doesn't really care much about the camera arm as that is but one customer of many. For a company like sony, it is a win-win senario. If nikon does well, their fab wins. If alpha does well, their fab also wins. Sony's strategy is that of TSMC and Intel foundries: you design it, we build it.