As someone who does actually does do HEMA and is only 5'3 I can vouch that yes, closing the gap when fighting someone bigger then you without getting hit is *super* hard, I've gotten my ass kicked a million different ways sparring with people who are 6 feet, forget fighting someone who's 8 feet! 🤧

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

Artsy has spoken ! 😂 Have you tried taking up faceless assassin training? 🤔

@shifterverse

Жыл бұрын

Haha I've dabbled in HEMA too bud that's how I knew when I wrote the script, reach is such a massive factor in combat of any kind! Unless of course your like oberyn and have a weapon that compensates it. Thanks for watching! Liam

@jonathangodin4775

Жыл бұрын

Im 6' 3 with a very long reach. But ive im trained in wrestling not boxing. You might see me and think you need to get close but thats where im at mt best

@NXVSTAGRAM

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathangodin4775 well they can't outreach you so win win i guess

@michaelterrell5061

Жыл бұрын

Reach is definitely an advantage but experienced fighters are very good at closing that gap.

People that think that Arya could kill Gregor are the same people that say: "Bro once i'm in a fight, i just see red😈🤓" and proceed to get their insides tied around their neck

@derekmann8239

Жыл бұрын

Fantastically accurate lmao

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

True Bram, I've dabbled in MMA, Kenjutsu and HEMA. Size matters, strength matters and reach dam sure matters! The small guy can sometimes win, but it's 100% the exception not the rule. Arya is my favourite character and even I think she's finished -Liam

@mlgmeistros4278

Жыл бұрын

Arya killed the nightking, it's called plotarmor, not realistic combat analysis.

@mlgmeistros4278

Жыл бұрын

I've been in fight and really have this. My brother is taller, way more muscular and a lot tougher, but if we're both honestly mad, I win. It's adrenalin bro, it does crazy stuff to you.

@LEGOC-3PO

Жыл бұрын

I seen that tra rags video too

Oberyn Martell actually killed the mountain, they had to turn him into a zombie for him to keep going, so I think that match was a draw at least

@shifterverse

Жыл бұрын

At the Fandome we think its fair to say he won! He beat Gregor in combat, he just got a little cocky before delivering the killing strike. If Gregor had got back up im sure oberyn would have kept putting him on his back! Thanks for watching! Liam

@cleddyfygoedwig3426

Жыл бұрын

In the book Oberyn drives his spear through Gregor's gut with such force that the haft snaps and he's consequently impaled on it. Gregor then bear hugs Oberyn further onto the snapped haft, and punches his head to a pulp with a mailed fist before succumbing to his wounds (Manticore Poison from Spear Tip not withstanding) Verdict: Draw

@OldCoffee227

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. His hatred kept him alive

@chuckshingledecker2216

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Oberyn did defeat the mountain. It was his arrogance that led to his death NOT his lack of skill.

@someguitardude8462

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Oberyn actually beat The Mountain. If he wasn't a revenge filled dumbass he would have lived. He already had him on the floor and at his mercy.

One detail about the Mountain not a lot of people mention is how perceptive and precise the Mountain can be. In the books when the mountain kills the knight at the tourney, the hound mentions that the mountain had noticed how his opponent’s gourget wasn’t put on properly leaving his neck vulnerable and so deliberately aimed for the throat so he could kill him. Which is a pretty impressive feat I would say considering how hard a target the neck would be while ride a horse in a joust.

@calebbarnhouse496

10 күн бұрын

While it'd be a difficult target, it's important to remember that jousting has people aiming at a target not much larger then the neck, the impressive part of that feat would actually be tanking the lance and maintaining that neck, as the higher angle would mean that his lance would effectively be shortened, and so he'd be hit first even if just by a little bit

Jamie before he lost his hand could probably do it. He devoted his life to his sword. When he went against brianne he was hungry, sleep deprived and cuffed and she said she couldn’t imagine what he would be like at his best. She knew she would die under any other circumstance. I love the writing because we hear how badass he is but we never really see it.

@michaellarocca4879

4 ай бұрын

Then hypothetically so could a younger Ned Stark, who was holding his own against Jaime at his best until someone sliced his leg from behind

@michaellarocca4879

4 ай бұрын

@@cokelover-nb1qz he wanted to fight one on one. He knew Stark would never willingly surrender, and he wanted to best him to humiliate him, so the only way to get that would be to beat him and either disarm him, or kill him outright. Taking him alive was just a bonus. He threw an 8 yr old off a tower. Killing a man who his family already condemned to death, in one on one combat with no repercussions was certainly in Jaime's wheelhouse.

@michaellarocca4879

4 ай бұрын

@@cokelover-nb1qz also, Ned was in his 40s. He was in great shape and still trained, but a little past his prime, and STILL was holding his own against Jaime at his best.

@tankiegoku

4 ай бұрын

​@@michaellarocca4879 This is a show invention. In the book it's made clear that Ned has no chance against Jaime. It's like playing Michael Jordan at basketball

@nananyantakyi1549

3 ай бұрын

@@michaellarocca4879 Any great fighter will beat the mountain

Young Robert Baratheon with his hammer, would have been the most intersting match up.

@sam-kx3ty

Жыл бұрын

I second this.

@666Doommaster

Жыл бұрын

If you speak of the Polearm Warhammer not this Fantasy nonsense Robert might have the upper Hand. He would have range advantage and size and strenght of young Robert should come as close to Gregor as you can get.

@shifterverse

Жыл бұрын

I think Robert would have him down very quickly. A clock to the head with that warhammer (especially the books unfeasibly heavy depiction) would likely give Gregor a forever nap. Thanks for watching! Liam

@Max-jp6jb

Жыл бұрын

@@shifterverse he would definitely give him a fight but idk if he would win we only saw him beat average size people

@raazazuul32

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Young Robert would have a good chance.

Bronn is one of the most skilled fighters in GoT (and he'd generally do near anything for Tyrion), and he refused to fight the Mountain when Tyrion asked him. That should say a lot.

@redace4821

Жыл бұрын

To add to his skills, he play and fight dirty, man doesn't care for honor so telling him to fight in a trial by combat against someone who Bronn wasn't sure he could beat is a no no.

@argantyr5154

Жыл бұрын

As Bronn said himself, he could beat him, if he fights a perfect fight but if he makes one mistake and its over, and he doesn't like the odds, lets say The Moutain would win 90 % of the fights (number just grabbed out of nowhere), would anyone go into that fight believing you had a 10 % chance of winning, certainly not a man like Bronn.

@jaed3183

Жыл бұрын

Bronn was also just hella smart literal definition of pick your battles wisely

@tylerwellman8252

Жыл бұрын

Bronn wasnt even in the top 10 of Westerosi fighters.

@ykmplayz9425

Жыл бұрын

Ser Arthur Dayne

People often forgot that Drogo main ability is leading his army into battle

@weshouser821

Жыл бұрын

I actually still think drogo could take the mountain because the reasoning this video gave was about gear. We don't know if drogo could use a spear or not. For all we know he may be fantastic with one and may be able to easily figure out the mountains weak points. If you take off the mountains armor then drogo wins for sure. If you take away weapons and armor than the mountain wins for sure. I think if you allow the mountain to have armor and drogo to do as he pleases it is more even but with the mountain probably winning in the end.

@kettenschlosd

11 ай бұрын

@weshouser821 if we go by book lore, the argument is even stronger. drogo would ride circles around the mountains larger but slower horse and stick him with arrows until one landed true or enough caused bloodloss.

@really-Now

10 ай бұрын

And he has a extensive armory full of high spec weapons, not to mention valyrian steel arahks exist.

People need to remember that the mountain wields a great sword with one hand. In the book he carries a heavy oak shield. Add to that his armor is made thicker than the average man's. All because of his second greatest advantage which is his preposterous strength.

Oberyn Martell, one of the coolest characters in the show, did beat the mountain but was so focused on getting a confession that it cost him his head. To answer the question; you'll need a fighter with superior arms and skill. There was one such fighter a knight named Ser Arthur Dayne, The Sword of the Morning.

@darkstar6909

Жыл бұрын

Agreed that Oberyn did beat him, and beat him soundly but let his ego and temporary stupidity take hold of him. I think Arthur Dayne and even Barristan Selmy in his prime would make short work of The Mountain.

@robertopics

Жыл бұрын

​@@darkstar6909 are we forgetting Robert Baratheon himself, maybe even Brandon stark (the old one).

@dallasmore6703

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! He should have completed the task!

@JTheTeach

Жыл бұрын

yup, stabbed in the back by a Reed. Seemed an crappy death for the Sword of Morning.

@robertopics

Жыл бұрын

@@JTheTeach well that's war.

Don't forget that in the book, it is emphasized that Oberyn is a one of a kind warrior. Even during the fight, he wielded a copper shield, to blind The Mountain. The was the combination of absolute skill, planning, and dirty fighting.

People tend to forget one thing when comparing fighters in these scenarios: There was a reason every knight in Westores feared Gregor Clegane Sure Prime Barristan Dayne Jaime Robert Oberyn Aero Hota could take him down but just 1 misstep and it was over for anyone of them

@ahgksi

9 ай бұрын

Thats literally the case in any fight with anyone not just Clegane. So a pretty stoopid statement in my opinion. In a trial by combat, no matter who your opponent is, one mis step can lead to your death😊

@goatlover6312

9 ай бұрын

@@ahgksiJaime Lannister gets in a punch and you at worst stagger a little, Gregor Clegane gets in a punch and you are down on the ground and at his mercy. Barristan Selmy grabs you and you can with difficulty pull yourself out, Gregar Clegane grabs you and he rips of whatever part of you he caugh. You are in range of Arthur Dayne and you can at least block his hits with a shield or your own weapon, You are in range of Gregor Clegane and you will at best loose your weapon or shield if he hits them with his sword.

@amardeep_singh_chauhan

8 ай бұрын

@@ahgksi it's not that easy, you can one misstep against someone your size and strength and may recover from the blow but if you have just one misstep against Gregor you get squashed

@ahgksi

7 ай бұрын

@@goatlover6312 Jamie Lannister wont punch you, he will slice you up , during a mistep, he is one of the greatest Swordsmen. Not everyone will punch in a fight. You not only failed to understand the point of my statement, you also made statment contradictory to yourself which actually supports my own statement. 🤦🤦🤦

@goatlover6312

7 ай бұрын

@@ahgksi And you misunderstood the point I made, if Jamie so much as stumbled on a pebble then Gregor would be able to use that as an opening. Any attack from Gregor is basically fatal while it’s incredibly hard to get in a fatal attack on him so most opponents would have to dodge around him waiting for an opening and one mistake would lead to him getting a hit in and killing his opponent. Jamie is one of the few opponents who could manage to defeat him by dodging and hitting weak points but still there are many mistakes that would easily lead to his defeat. Jamie could end up close enough to be grabbed, dead. He could misjudge distance and be hit by Gregors massive blade, dead. He could miss one of the weak points in Gregors thick armor making his hit worthless, dead. Jamie could stand still within range a second too long, dead. Jamie could be blinded by the sun and miss an attack, dead. If any of those situations were to occur to Gregor the chances are big that he would just shrug off the attacks as his armor is a near impregnable fortress.

Me: "This guy's wrong, Drogo would totally win!" Me after remembering the Dothraki vs Jorah: "...I've made a huge mistake."

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the darkside 😂

@jayantasarkar2532

Жыл бұрын

Drago is not just another Dothraki.

@simonsalgueiro6217

Жыл бұрын

That Dothraki was not Drogo and was caught with only an anti-light infantry weapon at hand. It makes absolutely NO SENSE to think Drogo would go with daggers and anti light infantry weapons to a duel he can prepare for. And if Drogo gets weapons capable of damaging the Mountain, well, he is far more skilled, is also pretty strong and has also a lot of experience in combat. Probably he could defeat the Mountain just as Oberyn did.

@kaydens6964

Жыл бұрын

@@simonsalgueiro6217 Thing is Dothraki do not understand armour, its not in their culture, tbh I think Drogo would beat Oberyn quite easily, but the fight against mountain would end the same way as that bloodraider, maybe he would be able to dodge the swing after his weapon stuck, but that's just maybe.

@tater8251

Жыл бұрын

@@simonsalgueiro6217 It makes sense because those are the weapons the Dothraki use, the Dothraki do not use swords or spears in the books or show, nor do they use clubs. This is likely because the Dothraki never really had to fight people in full plate, so they don't have much experience with that, and the fact that they typically are on horseback. While the curved Arakhs they use would be horrible against armor on the feet, on horseback it'd do alot of damage against any heavy armor just due to the kinetic energy coming in on a horse. It would make very very little sense for Drogo to use a spear like Oberyn as it isn't a weapon he's trained with or has any experience with, not that spears take alot of time to learn, but it still wouldn't make much sense for a Dothraki to suddenly use them.

Sir Auther Dayne takes the Mountain; highly skilled, great awareness with proper armor. The Sword of the Morning would take anyone.

@jayantasarkar2532

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Sword of the morning welding the Dwan is invincible, if it comes to one to one.

@Max-jp6jb

Жыл бұрын

He can beat anyone he would obviously beat the mountain his fight iq is the best in all of game of thrones

@bartsullivan4866

Жыл бұрын

I agree I think Aurther would be the one to beat the Mountain fairly one on one probably no one else without cheating.

@mattygee37

Жыл бұрын

But he's dead before the setting of the TV show and books .

@burtan2000

Жыл бұрын

@@mattygee37 So he'd be fighting a toddler mountain! I think i could even take him when he was still a child of 4 ! I think, anyway. He was riding down knights by 10 or 12. No, i'm pretty sure i could take him when he was 4

The mountain is tall and super strong and has the reach and enough speed to land a blow. He is heavily trained and wears full plate. The problem of fighting him is if he lands even one blow against you that is probably the end of the fight, this guys cuts horses in half with a single blow. Any fighter no matter how great they are would not want to face the mountain in combat as the chance of getting killed is very high.

John got better after fighting Tanner, he learned how to really fight and got rid of his training yard skills after the attack on the wall I believe he became a remarkable warrior

I see the Mountain as one of those fighters that gatekeeps the truly great tiers of fighters in ASOIAF, where your Oberyns, Garlan Tyrells, and Barristan Selmys reside

@durrangodsgrief6503

Жыл бұрын

dont forget young Robert

@daddy_1453

Жыл бұрын

Arthur Daynes as well

@jeffreylebowski7459

Жыл бұрын

Let us not forget Strong Belwas

@unovasfinest2623

Жыл бұрын

@@durrangodsgrief6503 who could forget the late great Bobby B???

@unovasfinest2623

Жыл бұрын

@@daddy_1453 of course Arthur Dayne, literally in GOAT contention 💪🏿

Robert Baratheon in his prime could take the Mountain. I imagine Robert during the rebellion as physically stronger but of equal skill to the Hound. Bobby B's not as strong as the Mountain, but he's strong enough to ring his bell, and his warhammer backed by his strength is just the tool to deal with Gregor's armor. Selmy and Author Dayne take Gregor with low to mid difficulty. Jamie pre hand chop could take Gregor mid to high difficulty.

@Alrokako

Жыл бұрын

Robert lowkey didn't want to deal with the mountain which is why when he was having a temper tantrum after fighting his brother he simply told the knights to let him go

@tylerwellman8252

Жыл бұрын

@@Alrokako Robert "highkey" wanted to joust in that very tournament until talked down from the idea by Ned. Doubt he feared the Mountain at all.

@Alrokako

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerwellman8252 He didnt want no problems with the mountain bruh any other soldier would've lost their life acting like that

@tylerwellman8252

Жыл бұрын

@@Alrokako Agree to disagree. The only problem Robert didn't want was with Tywin Lannister. His dialogue even states this. And yes a common soldier most likely would've been dealt a harsher punishment, even death. Gregor was an anointed knight though, one in service to Tywin.

@Roamingeast

Жыл бұрын

@@Alrokako well, that and he was a landed knight, a direct knight of his father in law, and none of his men could stop him ANYWAYS...

Arya is TERRIBLY written, how anyone can have her as their favourite is insane to me

@mmclaurin8035

17 күн бұрын

Show Arya = Garbage Books Arya = GOAT

Drogo stands a good chance if the Mountain isn't permitted to wear his armor, otherwise the fight would go very similar to Jorah's fight with Drogo's right hand blood rider. While a highly skilled and brutal close quarters combatant and by no means slow, I still think Drogo may lack the speed and agility required to avoid the Mountain's attacks long enough to successfully target his armor's weak points the way Oberyn did.

@godfather53

Жыл бұрын

Drogo would slaughter the mountain easily if the fight is without armor

@greenwave819

9 ай бұрын

yeah drogo is basically a smaller version of the mountain with no armor... that is to say both rely heavily on size and strength and there for Drogo won't be winning

@akramebrahim1446

8 ай бұрын

Drogo will annihilate the mountain.

@akramebrahim1446

8 ай бұрын

Why would drogo not wear some armour. And use a spear and a blade. This nonsense. Oberryn stabbed him so then obviously a master at fighting the best seen in the show undefeated khal drogo will murder him. Nonsense of drogo getting tired 1st is absolute rubbish. The great khal will murder him

@georgemartinez932

5 ай бұрын

Idk I feel like Drogo's speed and agility points are close to being maxed out. He dodged that Dothraki's attacks effortlessly and his weapon was much, much faster than the behemoth sword the mountain heaves around. Obviously the match would come down to plot, but I think its within Drogo's demonstrated skill set to be able to bob and weave his way in close enough to land a killing blow with one of those daggers he casually tossed aside before ripping that guy's tongue out through his throat

As a HEMA practitioner,, love hearing the reference! The reality of fighting someone like The Mountain in his full plate is that you'd need to have full plate as well to resist the cut from his great sword and probably be armed with a pole axe or a Lucerne hammer as those weapons were specifically designed to defeat plate armor.

@Darkpara1

Жыл бұрын

Even then. The Mountain wearing plate, mail, and boiled leather, and carrying an oak tower shield and greatsword..... he's an absolute unit. The show didn't do him justice.

@matttrent946

Жыл бұрын

didnt oberyn even reference this as well? or was it just the line "in Dorne we are fond of spears"

@shifterverse

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Donnie! I've dabbled in HEMA so I knew from experience. We once had a fencing master fight a journey man spear practitioner as the fencing masters way of demonstrating the importance of reach. The sword master managed to overcome the spear a grand total of once out of roughly 30 attempts. It can be done but its very bloody difficult. Your spot on about the armour too. Gregor can probably use the great sword as a concussive weapon against plate but it at least prevents the glancing blows from slicing you up 😂 your also spot on about the weapon, you need something with reach that can equalise/exceed the damage that gregor can give you. Thanks for watching!

@alexandern5296

Жыл бұрын

yeah you would deff need a pole axe and go for the head. being in plate armor yourself helps but the mountain would realize he would need to close the gap and wrestle you in order to get a dagger into the gaps of your plate armor. better keep your distance but at the same time be aggressive and go for the head.

@blacklight4720

Жыл бұрын

For a HEMA practitioner I'm surprised that you did not address: *Acceleration* , *Deceleration* , *Leverage* and *Weight* combined with *Momentum* In books, it's said that the Mountain wields a two-handed sword in one hand as a normal person wields a one-handed sword in one hand. In reality, we can't do this(wielding two hand sword in one hand as effectively as one hand sword in one hand) because of weight and leverage. That does not concerns Mountain. Now about the momentum and weight, Imagine having a hydraulic machine swinging two hand sword with high psi(pressure), an unarmored person would be cut in half, and the armored person would die due to his organs being devastated by kinetic/concussive force. I think that G.R.R.M got carried away when depicting Mountain prowess in terms of "balance patch".

What about Daario Naharis? I feel like he would be smart enough to use a long range weapon and to taunt the mountain

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, but would the long range weapons be enough to penetrate the armour, or have the accuracy.

@flapablesteak8986

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFandomeClips I mean he throw a knife at long range good enough to kill a horse. Plus he fought in the pits, so I think he would be able to hand a long spear like the viper?

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it's hard to count him out after that statement. I think it would just be interesting to see him utilising those weapons like a long spear etc. Maybe!

@jacobsnapp

Жыл бұрын

@@flapablesteak8986 the knife would bounce of the mountain’s armor lol

@benjamingarrett9960

Жыл бұрын

My man's threw a dagger into the eye of a full charging horse at a long distance. I'm sure he could throw one into the eye of The Mountain

Based on books, not show: 1.- Arthur Dayne (in GRRM words, strongests swordsman to ever appear in the books) 2.- Young Robert Baratheon (I guess 50-50) 3.- Jaime Lannister (much stronger in the books than in the show: in GRRM words, the most skilled swordsmen alive. Anyways, let's say a 50-50) 4.- Oberyn Martell (actually won, and would have survived and kill him if just finished the job instead of talking, even without poisson) 5.- Young Barriastan Selmy (almost as good as Arthur Dayne) 6.- Younger Victarion Greyjoy (he may stand a chance) 7.- Syrio Forel or any of the First Swords of Braavos (with a real sword, although they are not trained to fight full armored warriors, these guys are no joke, thus having a fair chance if they play the Oberyn game) 8.- Daemon Blackfyre (legendary warrior, seems to be the strongest Targaryen swordsman) 9.- Areoh Hotah (people forget this guy, but he butchered a white cape like if he was nothing, and wields a proper weapon for the job) Why Khal Drogo can't: dothraki use arakhs, designed to attack unarmed enemies from a horse. In ADWD (the 5th book), old Selmy kills a super strong arena warrior that fights with an arakh with no trouble thanks to his armor. Hence, Drogo would stand no chance against almost any professional knight. In "power levels" they would be something like: Dayne: 100 Daemon: 95-99 Selmy: 95-99 Robert: 90-95 Oberyn: 90-95 Jaimie: 90-95 The Mountain: 90-95 Hotah: 85-95 Victarion: 85-95 First Swords: 80-90 This is my guess

@johnspartan8312

Ай бұрын

You underestimate the Khal brother. He knows how to kill, of he enters their world, he will find a way to the Mountain... that's how good the Khal is.

@freeman9738

Ай бұрын

According to GoT movie series, I would say Drogo and Arthur Dane are the top fighters. A fast dothraki, let alone the slow Mountain, can't even touch Drogo in a fair fight, Drogo dodges every swing. How could the Mountain kill Drogo then, if he can't touch Oberyn until Oberyn gets distracted? I agree that Drogo doesn't have experience in dealing with armoured men, but that's a very weak argument, because the Mountain doesn't have experience to deal with someone like Drogo either, and it's not just about experience, he's not fast enough to beat Drogo, and Drogo isn't some dothraki, he is the dothraki. So I believe Drogo would beat the Mountain in any case hands down, let alone the case in which Drogo have fought some armoured men and learns about weak spots in an armour suit. If Drogo's weapon gets stuck or caught by the Mountain, like Jorah caught a dothraki sword, which is unlikely, the Mountain would still not be able to hit the untouchable man.

@AyusoEnjoyer

Ай бұрын

@@freeman9738 It may be like that, but I still would bet on the Mountain. In the books, Bronn, who is recognized as a very agile fighter, refuses to fight the Mountain arguing that he isn't just stupidly strong, but also faster than it would be reasonable for a man of that size. It's true that Oberyn could dodge every swing, but he was the peak of agility, more than used to deal with armoured warriors and held the best weapon for the task, which is not the case for Drogo. In the show Drogo was protrayed as a quite agile warrior, but in the books he is recognized by his sole strenght and brutality. Indeed, he died because was severely hurt by the arakh of another Khal, both in the books and show, which is a good argument against his defensive skills. Based on this, I doubt he would be able to either dodge every swing (one hit would mean death) nor outforce the Mountain, who is way stronger than the Khal, and yes, wears a super heavy armor. Also, in the books there is a fight between old Barristan Selmy in full plate armor and a recognized dothraki from the pits, who literally lived out of killing other warriors. That guy is described quite similarly to Drogo, and was easily dispatched by a retired knight because he was unable to penetrate Barristan's protections. Considering how realistic GRRM likes to be on this matters, I would expect him to choose the Mountain as winner in a hypothetical combat vs the Khal. But anyways this is is just my dumb opinion, so don't take it too seriously. Greets.

@freeman9738

Ай бұрын

@@AyusoEnjoyer , I haven't read the books. But having watched the GoT movie series, I'd absolutely definitely bet on Drogo. According to GoT series, Bronn isn't among the best fighters nor the fastest. We see the Mountain is slow, no matter what Bronn says about him. Wee see Drogo dodging every swing of a fast unarmoured dothraki. We see Oberyn vs the Mountain, the Hound vs the Mountain, Drogo is as big as the Hound but probably stronger due to muscles, we see the Hound blocking the Mountain's swings. I rule out the possibility of the Mountain being able to hit Drogo, so even in the worst case Drogo wouldn't be able to kill the Mountain right away but eventually he'd figure out how to do that. If Drogo would have fought armoured men and gained experience by the time he fought the Mountain, then he'd kill the Mountain right away in a few seconds.

@AyusoEnjoyer

Ай бұрын

@@freeman9738 I think the main difference here is the source of reference. Now that you mention it, the Mountain has very few mentions nor screen time in the TV show, while in the books he is constantly mentioned and widely recognized by everyone as the fiercest and most feared warrior in the entire Seven Kingdoms. We also get to "see" him fight in the Green Fork (in the books Tyrion doesn't get stunned and can watch the Mountain doing his stuff). Something similar happens with Bronn: in the books we can "see" in Tyrion's thoughts that Bronn is an extremly skilled warrior, while in the show he just has a few combat scenes and none really relevant. The only reference about Drogo's battle skills that we have is the fight with Khal Ogo, where he is severily injured. If you take that scene in which Drogo dances around and brutally murders Mago and extrapolate that into the less realistic scenarios of the TV show he may be able to 1v1 the Mountain, but quite likely not in the books. In the books context we must consider too that dothrakis use to fight non-warriors, since they mostly raid villages and face other khalasars, where any adult male with an arakh is considered "a warrior". The Mountain is a guy who was trained in a castle since a very young age and then spent his entire life from battle to battle facing other armored knights (plus villagers). GRRM sticks ultra close to reality in the books in this kind of matters, despite these being a fiction story, and history shown that armours are unbeatable for an unarmored man, unless this one wields a specific weapon to break its defense (spear or hammer-like thing). KZread has plenty of videos showing this. Moreover, he puts a lot of enphasis in the importance of these, and we know that he loves punching people in he face with reality, so I would totally expect him to portray the Mountain tearing appart the almighty Khal just because, well, armours make a huge difference, and they do regadless of cool of a character you are (specially when your rival is Gregor Clegane).

I think a few lesser mentioned fighters who'd have a chance (not Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy, or a young Robert Baratheon) are the skillful Targaryen warriors who weilded Valyrion steel blades, like Aemon the Dragon Knight, and guys like Christon Cole, who not only was one of, if not the most skilled fighter of his era, but also had an anti-armor weapon like his Morningstar

Wonder how Robbert Baratheon in his prime vs the mountain would pan out. Wasn’t he something of a mountain himself

I agree! the red viper as you said is highly trained, studied war tactics and fighting styles at Harvard of Westeros. he was in exile and travelled globally in that world picking up fighting styles in the free cities, in the fighting pits as a gladiator, formed his own mercenary company and was a soldier in a mercenary company before forming his. he is highly educated and can wield many different weapons. Oberyn is as deadly as it gets and it took him years to get to that point before he stepped into that ring.

@crushedscouter9522

Жыл бұрын

this. people don't seem to understand that there is almost no way for a person in the story to be a better fighter than oberyn. it would simply be a giant plot hole.

@tanman49

Жыл бұрын

@@crushedscouter9522 true. That’s why I call him the Bruce Wayne/Batman of westoros. Batman went to fancy boarding schools, then took his family’s jet and traveled the world to visit and spend time with monks, trained in secret societies etc. Oberyn did all these things and learning many different cultures and fighting styles. Jamie Lannister, is considered the greatest most natural “swordsman” in the 7 kingdoms. every fight Oberon enters he chooses weapons based on the situation and advantages vs disadvantages. When he fought lord yarnwond when he slept with his side chick he chose based on the situation. The mountain, with his 8 foot height, and long reach with his arms and that great sword which gives him an even further reach that can hack a horse,s head off with one slash, Oberon chose that 8ft spear as tall as the mountain to keep him at bay. It had that pointy end for poking at joints and weak points. When it’s Robert he uses a war hammer and good at the melee but can’t jost or use anything other than that type of weapon really. Jamie and his sword, everybody and their swords or bow and arrow like Theon. But Oberon is the only person I noticed using multiple weapons with near perfection and many different fighting styles.

Very valid of you to point out that the mountain isn't just wearing full plate, he is wearing like super-plate. In the book the armor that's ordered for zombie-gregor is described as so heavy that no is strong enough to move in it, and if I remember correctly that's mentioned about normal gregor as well. He isn't a monster because he can cut a horse in half, he is a monster because he is a walking tank.

That would actually be a very entertaining fight to witness!

How did no one suggest the giants? Either of Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun, or Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg. They would smash the Mountain into ketchup before you could say their names.

@beepyou34

Жыл бұрын

That's kinda like saying Drogon would beat The Mountain. Like no shit. It took 6 Nights Watchmen to take down one of the giants and they still all died.

@Alrokako

Жыл бұрын

​@Tim Cahill The way you react to this is how everyone reacted to every fight he put in this video. When they turned him into Jason X though he had more of a chance

@edmadden2091

Жыл бұрын

My choice. The Mountain would know how his opponents felt.

@lordgerog

Жыл бұрын

If walton stark could kill 2 giants before be killed, i think Gregor could with one.

Oberyn had years and years to study the mountain and come up with a plan to defeat him. You could say he went so far as to develop his fighting style in the way he did to specifically defeat the mountain. He knew exactly what to do. If Drogo had the same information and prep time he could beat the mountain in a similar way but it's unlikely he would fight his opponent that way.

@caleidozkopie8344

Жыл бұрын

Oberyn didnt really study the mountain. And how would he? He was never with him, didnt spar with him, didnt observe him nothing. The mountain is ridiculously tall and muscular thats it thats all he got. And Oberyn knew that and developed a fighting style to match this type of opponent.

@emie9858

Жыл бұрын

The Mountain is a skilled knight who's had years of training and experience, he's not just muscles and height. He's decently fast and skilled with a sword, not exactly an easy opponent.

@DustinDonald-cz9ot

Жыл бұрын

Problem is mountain wears armor. Even a spear is useless against armor realistically you need a hammer or polearm perhaps an axe a sword or spear wouldn't work cause armor does work just not in TV or movies where it is made of tissue paper.

@emie9858

Жыл бұрын

@@DustinDonald-cz9ot Can't spears pierce plate if you're strong and the spear is well built? I'm probably wrong but that was my impression :P

@DustinDonald-cz9ot

Жыл бұрын

@@emie9858 would depend on tip but not likely, you could pierce it with a sword as well if you can knock him on the ground and get him with a coup de grace but the sloped manor of plate it will just glance off it is why most spears were done away with in favor for halberd much thicker staff and a much longer and thinner longer spike mixed with an axe/hammer head and a much thicker spike on one end. Spear was fine against lightly armored troops but full plate no. Like trying to pierce a can with a knife unless it is held down and cannot move you aren't piercing it and trying to cut through your strikes will just glance off it.

Oberynn really was one of the deadliest fighters in the entire story. With a steel shield and a poisoned spear he took the most feared warrior in the entire seven kingdoms apart. Only Jaime, Barristan, Sandor and perhaps a few dead men could've done the same. Bronn I reckon could've done it, he did similar things to the knight he put through the moon door, but not without significant risk.

Great video

The Mountain's weakness are never mentioned in videos like this. Apart from his gigantism, Gregor is also constantly suffering from a skull-splitting headache. This constantly keep him in a state of rage (emotions overtaking any logical thoughts). Oberyn didn't have to expend much energy to defeat him. Judging by this I would say Robert in his prime, Jaime, Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy or Brienne could have done the job. Robert especially would have made quick work of him with his hammer.

@tylerwellman8252

Жыл бұрын

Jaimie, Robert, Arthur, Selmy, and Brienne would all also know how to exploit the fact that Greggor used a two-handed weapon with one hand. Greatswords are not even heavy. It is the length that would make it unwieldy the way Greggor uses it, and all of those fighters you mention would exploit that. I think everyone you mention could defeat him, and I agree 100% that Prime Robert ends him quickly.

@dummbobqqqqq

Жыл бұрын

But he also drinks a lot of milk of the poppy

@devinlino7047

9 ай бұрын

Aren't we overlooking a certain badass fire retardant biotch? One word...Dracaris and he done. Well done in fact lol

@robbiewira5344

4 ай бұрын

Daario probably beats him to

@Naldinho456

4 ай бұрын

Briene is a physical fighter she doesnt have the skill or speed to defeat him

People saying Arya could beat the Mountain in a 1v1 fight. Realistically, Brienne would've snapped Needle the first time she blocked with the tourney sword. Arya will be a pancake in less than a second. She could kill him 10 times over if she has the element of surprise though!

I think you're underselling Jon honestly. At least in the books, he's had a fair number of scenes where his strength seemed outright supernatural, such as lifting Thorne off the ground by his neck and needing to be pried off by the Eastwatch men, or when he yanked that spear that spear out of the frozen earth in ADWD. He commanded the other brother's to take down the rest, and they struggled with them and he instead told them to burn their heads. He made it seem effortless. Like he did it one-handed. It wasn't stated either way, but the way it was written gave me that feeling. I'd say Jon has fair odds.

This was a surprisingly accurate analysis.

Jaime with both hands, or Ser Arthur Deyne.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure Jamie believes that though. He seems to hold Arthur in high esteem in almost god like fashion when describing him. Also the sword might be a factor to apparently. Can't remember where but I'm sure Martin stated that Selmy and Dayne were on par with Dawn being the difference maker.

@Connor.SG-1Ring

Жыл бұрын

A young Ser Barristan could definitely take down the Mountain. Given that he had fought and killed Maelys the Monstrous, who was also described as being freakishly large and strong.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

@@Connor.SG-1Ring Barristan is addressed in our 2nd who COULD beat The Mountain video that has yet to be released, as well as a 500 word apology for not putting him in the first one 😂. Liam

@surkit6465

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFandomeClips Theres about 15 combatants that WOULD most likely take down Gregor Clegane. Far more than just 5 who COULD take him down.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

@@surkit6465 thats why we have multiple could Vids in the works, we're just letting the topic rest and breath a bit after this vid bombed a little 😂

Jaime Lannister, O brien Martell, Aurther Dyane and Barristan Selmy are 4 people I believe can bat mountain.(In their prime)

@TheWinkerbean

Жыл бұрын

Yes Barristan Selmy

@martindormer2116

Жыл бұрын

Jamie would probably need a hand though.

@254john5

Жыл бұрын

​@@martindormer2116 jaime had a hand in his prime

@pigbenis5295

Жыл бұрын

And prime Robert

@beneinstine6830

Жыл бұрын

@@pigbenis5295 I guess robert can manage somehow.

In the books, in the fight between Gregor and Oberyn. The contest starts on a cloudy day, with no sun reaching the fighters. As the fight goes on, the clouds eventually move revealing the sun. Gregor is the first to notice, and puts the sun behind him. Tyrion then thinks, or comments that Gregor is dim. But within him, are the instincts of a warrior. Bronn's strategy works in principle. But getting Gregor to actually exhaust himself takes more than just hopping around until hes tired. At this point, Oberyn had known for almost 2 decades he would fight the mountain at some point. He came well prepared, his taunts and his fighting style was very deliberate.

"He's freakish-big and freakish-strong, and quicker than a man that size has any right to be!"

Arya. Is. Not. A. Warrior. Her "victories" over Brienne, the Night King, both Frey brothers, and even the Waif (with 3 open stab wounds and bleeding internally) are all EXTREMELY CONTRIVED!!!!

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

Shes an assassin! Its a totally different skill set. Both her and Jaqan could KILL the Mountain, but I don't think ethier could BEAT the Mountain. Thanks for watching! Liam

@kuno3336

Жыл бұрын

As she is an assassin, she "contrived" those victories. That's the point of an assassin

@cjcorey6099

Жыл бұрын

They said that in the video

@Shawn-st2lx

Жыл бұрын

Her killing the Night King was such a load of BS. To this day I'm still disappointed with that decision. The white walkers were built up to be so much more and was top 3 one of the most contrived exits of an antagonist.

@PalashaGabarra

Жыл бұрын

@@Shawn-st2lx I agree, and I'd also add that it was pretty weird how Arya and Sansa managed to beat Littlefinger, by outwitting him and letting him walk into a trap they made for him no less. Arya and Sansa beat Littlefinger at his own game. That's just bad writing to me. They could've come up with a better way to kill him off.

The night king could beat the mountain

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think that goes without saying really 😆

@ashershalqoir976

Жыл бұрын

Idk about that, maybe pick balerion to be safe

@mihaimercenarul7467

Жыл бұрын

And yet pretty much all The Mountains fights were more dynamic than night king's fights

@ranzigerkaefer

Жыл бұрын

@@mihaimercenarul7467 we didnt even see the night king fight a single fight. We dont know how skilled he is beside being a necromancer. When we go for his human "form" which was sacrificed by the "children", he is just some ordinary guy, not the slightest idea of a fighter.

@beepyou34

Жыл бұрын

@@ranzigerkaefer if the Mountain had Valyrian steel, maybe there's a chance, but a single strike from the Night King's spear can kill a dragon. Gregor is fucked 99/100 times.

Loved this 👌

drogo vs the mountain would be badass to see

Gregor is like 8 ft tall in the books. His reach is probably literally an entire mans body with a BIG F$%^ING SWORD

The other major reason Drogo doesn't have a ghost of chance against the Mountain is...he's way too stubborn and not very bright. He intentionally took a serious sword wound just to prove a point and died from an infection 💀Gregor is a genius in comparison

@billybones1694

11 ай бұрын

I mean, it didn't get infected until the witch made it so, so lay off Aquaman.

@diogenes7663

10 ай бұрын

@@billybones1694nah in the books drogo literally puts dirt in it

@billybones1694

10 ай бұрын

@@diogenes7663 Wait, that isn't what you're supposed to do for a bleeding wound? Rub some dirt in it to help the blood clot?

@j.c.jeggis1818

8 ай бұрын

@@diogenes7663no, in the books he takes off the wound dressing from Mirri Maz Durr after a day and drinks alcohol and milk of the poppy, which she told him he must not do. It’s deliberately ambiguous if Mirri Maz Durr sabotaged his healing from the start or if Drogo going back to the Dothraki way did.

@diogenes7663

8 ай бұрын

@@j.c.jeggis1818 I mean yeah he does all that too but he does put mud in the wound

Interesting list. Can't argue with any of the five presented in the list for all the logical reasons presented, including that Jaqen H'ghar could kill him, but only in assassination. However without any truly notable fighters. Prime Robert Baratheon, Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy, Jaime Lannister, Grey Worm, Daario Naharis and Rhaegar Targaryen could all have a fair chance against him, while Oberyn Martell toyed with him and died due to rage and stupidity. Brienne and The Hound are close, but as stated they have similar fighting styles and in order to win plot armor usually gets employed as he is far stronger, wearing unreal armor due to inhuman strength even before the monstrosity the show made him into and absurd range. Loved the video. Very realistic. Hope to see more of it in comparison to fighters that could actually challenge him and lived in his age like formerly listed.

Love this!

Oberyn Almost did him in but got Cocky Distracted and paid for it ..

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

He made it into our first "who could" video. Poor Oberyn, so dam close yet so dam far. Although I think its fair to say he did beat the Mountain in the end. That death by poison must have been agony beyond Oberyns (also painful but much quicker) demise. Thanks for throwing out your thoughts!-Liam

@tedpendagast579

Жыл бұрын

Oberyn DID kill the mountain

I would love to see an assessment of how non-show characters might stack up against the Mountain.

@shifterverse

Жыл бұрын

Its on our list Ryan! As well as bringing in some other fantasy franchises like LOTR!

As Bron says in the show 'and with that guy no matter how good you are or great your plan is... one mistake and it's over.'

People usually forget how skilled and fast the Mountain is. He is not just brute force and insane violence, he is a really good warrior.

What about Victarion Greyjoy? He is at least in the same category due to his size and strength. He wears plate armor and axe is better than sword against armor.

@baldbull6808

Жыл бұрын

I think he's similar to Brienne in this fight. A guy that relies on strength and armor to overpower unarmored sailors doesn't have a winning tactic against the Mountain

@edstringer1138

Жыл бұрын

@@baldbull6808 He beat knights of the Gardens as well

@enigma9971

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't he only in the books, though?

@gustawek

Жыл бұрын

I think Victarion, while being build like a Mountain, doesn't have that much battle experience as Clegane, as he spend many years idle after Greyjoys rebellion fell. He is also not untouchable, being cut and poisoned by minor knight duriong siege of Shield Islands, a disregard behaviour which almost cost his life.

@jayantasarkar2532

Жыл бұрын

​@@gustawek What about Robert Baratheon in his prime, with his hammer.

While I suppose it would be correct to call Oberyn a "well trained progeny", I think the word you were going for was actually _prodigy_ .

@shifterverse

Жыл бұрын

😂 it was written as prodigy, mispronouncation on my part

No, Dothraki were experienced mostly in fighting each other aka unarmored foes. Jorah commented on this when he killed a Dothraki, their weapons are not able to bust through plate and they don't have the muscle memory for that kind of fighting

@sushiter

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Jorah is way past his prime and still easily beats a Dothraki bloodrider (elite of the elite fighters in the horde)

So, I spoke to a former armorer about the arakh, and he said that contrary to what the show depicts, the design of the blade would actually do a great job getting through armor such as Westerosi armor. He said that the design of the blade would most likely add extra leverage and power to their blows, enabling them to deliver stronger strikes able to slice and penetrate armor.

@johnstuart4914

16 күн бұрын

Utter BS

@Rogue_Centurion

16 күн бұрын

@@johnstuart4914 well I know nothing about it so I was just stating what he said

@johnstuart4914

16 күн бұрын

@@Rogue_Centurion Yeah I get that, but the guy is talking nonsense though

@Rogue_Centurion

16 күн бұрын

@@johnstuart4914 gotcha

I wonder what would happen if we put the Mountain against Maelys I Blackfyre🤔

@surkit6465

Жыл бұрын

Maelys would win, hes got even more strength feats and indications to believe he is more skilled.

@amardeep_singh_chauhan

Жыл бұрын

Maelys would have killed Gregor, Maelys was trained fighter with same if not greater strength than Gregor, Gregor is just a really big and strong brute who has got training but relies solely on his physical strength to win Also someone like Daemon Blackfyre or Maegor the Cruel would have made short work of the Mountain

@sean5558

Жыл бұрын

I was just about to say Maelys The Monstrous and especially young Barristan Selmy who killed Maelys

Gregor is so strong that its seemingly unfair. Only Oberyn could kill him and survived if he hadn't stopped midway for the confession. Revenge is a powerful motivator. Jaquen could kill him, as his agility and experience is going for him. As a master assassin he'd research his opponent even if its a 1v1 battle. He'd taunt Gregor and I won't be surprised to know if his blades were dowsed in poison similar to Oberyn's. The battle would be similar to Batman vs Bane and we know what the odds might be.

@simonsalgueiro6217

Жыл бұрын

An assassin isnt trained for direct 1 vs 1 combat. They are trained for fast kills. And the Mountain won't go down fast and has a lot of combat experience. Stop fantasizing ninjas.

@abhinavhajra

Жыл бұрын

@@simonsalgueiro6217 These are fictional assassins not irl. In fiction, assassins are always trained to fight 1v1 fights. That's what Arya's training was all about.

@simonsalgueiro6217

Жыл бұрын

@@abhinavhajra Not really. Saying fiction assassins are 1 vs 1 duelists is just false. It all depends on the setting. In ASOIAF, for example, you have dedicated duelists in Braavos. Those dedicate themselves to 1 vs 1 combat. Faceless men DON'T. Read their lore. They are pure assassins. They can fight, yes, but they rely on shadows, disguise, venoms and backstabbing. Fighting a knight that has been fighting his entire life is extremely risky for them. You are powerfantasizing fan favourite characters, that's it. Arya's arc was extremely stupid from season 5 and on. In the books the way it's handled is 100000 times better. Cause Martin didn't go for easy crowd pleasers like the producers did once Martin left.

@pupper5580

Жыл бұрын

flippy jump fancy trick swoosh gregor dies because ninjas are cool

What about Robert Baratheon in his prime? Everyone acknowledges him as a great warrior, and he has strength on his side. A war hammer also has good range and could do some serious damage to the Mountain’s armour. But I guess we’d never know

You need to remember that the mountain was killed and brought back to life by a normal sized man

Fighter who I think might have had a chance to kill Ser Gregor in a fight (no guarantees) Robert Baratheon in his fighting days. Robert was huge at about 2m tall (6'7"), still over a foot shorter than Clegane, but still big enough to not being at great strength disadvantage. Plus, his warhammer was supereffective against plate armor or shields. One good blow and it might break and arm or shatter a rib. Barristan Selmy. Maybe not at the time of the War of the Five Kings, but maybe during Robert's Rebellion when he was younger, and possibly the most skilled swordsman in Westeros. However, a longsword would do anything to Gregor's armor, so Barristan might have to use a polearm or spear as Oberyn did. Sandor Clegane. Cleganebowl might still happen in the books, and Sandor although smaller is still big and strong enough to hurt Gregor. In some scenarios he could hurt and tire him enough to land a killing blow Greatjon Umber. One of the biggest and strongest men in Westeros, highly experienced warrior, skilled with a greatsword, he could do it with a bit of luck, but no great chances. Jaime Lannister, pretty much the same as Ser Barristan. And I think I'm forgetting someone else

@sanjaysanj5603

Жыл бұрын

arthur dayne.

Tormund Giantsbane would be an interesting match up. Clues in the name.

@Swearengen1980

Жыл бұрын

He came close to being killed in the Battle of the Bastards. Granted he'd been fighting an entire battle by that time, but he'd still have no chance against the Mountain.

@helvete_ingres4717

Жыл бұрын

@@Swearengen1980 the mountain would have been in the same situation or killed if he had been there..given the actual 15ft+ giants were hopeless in that situation until th enemy were routed by cavalry

@Swearengen1980

Жыл бұрын

@@helvete_ingres4717 You missed my point. Tormund was nearly killed in single combat vs. Umber. Umber was the superior fighter until Tormund bit him and shoved an antler into him. Being surrounded was irrelevant and the X factor was Tormund having fought the entire battle compared to Umber who just entered the battle. So the point is, Tormund was lucky to survive fighting Umber 1 on 1, so he'd have stood no chance against the mountain and his armor. Side note - It irritates the hell out of me how a giant goes into battle without any kind of weapon. How short would that battle have been if he went in swinging a tree at the enemy?

@mar2506

19 күн бұрын

@@Swearengen1980 giant goes to battle unarmed because otherwise humans would be irrelevant. . imagina a giant in thin armor and sword at hand. few giants would destroy army in a minute :d

I absolutely LOVE the detail of the analysis in this video. Deathbattle could learn an awful lot from this

More of this please !!!!

basically, stop thinking the viper is a weakass character, he is an amazing fighter who owned the realm combatwise and sexualwise :D

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

We love Oberyn! He was our first pick on our fighters that could! Guy was a legend in everyway possible! -Liam

All the mountain had to do was get a hand on someone and that was it. The raw strength that man has is rivaled by nobody in the show. They don't have him do it(as far as I know I haven't read the books), but the mountain is the kinda man that could likely remove a head with his bare hands. Really, very lucky circumstances would be needed to actually kill him the way he's portrayed. He's basically a demigod amongst men.

@jayantasarkar2532

Жыл бұрын

The Demon of Trident would have despatched him easily in his prime, if it comes to brute strength.

Drogo is honestly the only one i could see stand a chance. Other than The Hound ofcourse

“Gregor’s lance goes where Gregor wants it to go.”

I would have loved to see how bronn would have done! He's pretty quick and sneaky too so would have been interesting.

@andrewgarratt5191

Жыл бұрын

Bronn could have done it,he’d have outsmarted the giant with cheap yet clever tactics…. The Mountain would have likely wound up with Bronn’s Kukri buried in the back of his neck after a big swing and a miss.

@woodyhorton8537

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewgarratt5191 exactly what i was thinking when i said sneaky and quick! Great minds think alike lol he would have that knife out and flying into his neck/throat in a blink of an eye. Or strike wherever he can get through in basically the same way

@mihaimercenarul7467

Жыл бұрын

​@@andrewgarratt5191 lol no

@THEHOLYGAMERR

Жыл бұрын

@@mihaimercenarul7467 young Ned stark absolutely wipes the mountain

@perlundgren7797

Жыл бұрын

@@THEHOLYGAMERR Based on what?

One of the things I like about the books is how a bunch of these larger than life characters will never actually get the chance to cross paths, so all we can do is wonder. Khal Drogo was basically Conan the Barbarian meets Genghis Khan. If anything I figure it would be an entertaining fight if it happened.

@vincenthammons6705

Жыл бұрын

with the flimsy weapons and no armor that khal uses it would be over quick

How about which pair of characters could beat the Mountain? Friends, foes, never met before; any two. The idea came to me while considering a similar situation on Spartacus.

You had me at Arya’s your favorite character 🙌

Oberyn used poison in his fight against the Mountain. So if poison and other tools are allowed, I can see Jaqen winning.

@RW77777777

2 ай бұрын

Jaqen would use a bolo or some bs entanglement 'weapon' and The Mountain would go down like an AT-AT Walker

@Aetherbeen

2 ай бұрын

Its not allowed.

@wisepalaz

21 күн бұрын

The Poison had nothing to do with the occurrences of their duel

On another note it's interesting to see how many (show-only) replies underrate Jaime Lannister. It's clear from the books and GRRM's comments that he's an absolute prodigy, equal in skill to Barristan Selmy in his prime and Arthur Dayne (although without the magic sword) and extremely strong. Unfortunately in the show they use him to sell various other characters: 1) We were told but not shown that he cut through Stark forces and killed many skilled fighters before being taken down (he almost gets to Robb and Robb knows that would have meant his certain death) - if we saw this, we'd understand better how much of a prodigy he is before he is maimed 2) The show had Brienne outright defeat Jaime while in the books her internal monologue notes that she is barely able to fend off a manacled, starved version of him and nobody would be able to defeat him otherwise (and his internal monologue shows how impressed he is with her) 3) The show depicts his fight with Ned Stark as being roughly equal, where in the book he is playing with Ned and Ned knows it 4) Bronn's boast to Jaime that he would easily take him out even if he had both hands is show-only and laughable if you've read the books (Bronn is definitely a skilled and cunning veteran in the books, but he's never depicted to be the sort of fighter who can easily cut through people like the great fighters do) This does no favours to the story overall and Jaime's character in particular.

@fightingmedialounge519

9 ай бұрын

Ned and jamie don't fight in the books. Ned kills some of Jamie's men, Jaime kills some of Ned's, a chase happens, and Ned falls off his horse. Also Bronn does not boast he could easily take jamie, and he says he could ki two handed jamie while holding a crossbow.

Great John Umber!!!! The most underrated option, definitely stands to the Mountain, same size but better skill

Only his brother could kill the mountain though the odds are less.

Well obviously Prince Oberyn, Jamie with two hand’s and maybe Bobby B during the rebellion.

@jamesgarretson2922

Жыл бұрын

Bobby B during the Rebellion would have been utterly destroyed. He relies on a lot of the same skill sets as The Mountain, except The Mountain just completely outclasses him in those. Jamie, possibly. I remember at one point in the show he says there are only 3 men who could MAYBE beat him, and the common belief is that he was speaking of Barristan, The Hound and The Mountain, meaning he believed himself at the very least as possibly able to defeat The Mountain. Also, prime Jamie with two hands was an f'n problem. The other choices would be Barristan the Bold, and Arthur Dayne. Barristan I think is 50/50, although if we're speaking of a prime Barristan, he'd probably wipe the floor with The Mountain. Arthur, when alive, I also believe would wipe the floor with The Mountain.

@loganwallace101

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesgarretson2922 Robert is meant to be comparable in size/strength to the mountain in his prime and far more skilled, when you include the fact that a warhammer is far more effective against full plate than a sword I think he would be very likely to win

@jamesgarretson2922

Жыл бұрын

@@loganwallace101 See, that’s just it. He wasn’t comparable to the Mountain's size and strength. He was was more The Hound’s level. Although now that I type that, I realize you really might have a point.

@erikdgreenlund

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesgarretson2922 so yes the Mountain certainly has the advantage vs Bobby B in regards to physically and the fact that they most likely relied upon the same fighting traits. I’m no expert mid evil warfare historian but generally I think a war hammer would be more difficult to wield and could require greater skill. Thats my justification for my assumption that Robert could have defeated Gregor. A war hammer is specifically designed to puncture plate, it’s never specifically stated that the Mountain has the strongest or the heaviest plate due to its thickness alone. Instead it’s always stated that Gregor’s size makes his plate more cumbersome than any other human could withstand. Assuming both fighters are at an equal advantage, Roberts generally more intelligent than Gregor. He could easily have drawn the same conclusions as Bronn and Oberyn, circle him and use your shield when necessary until the Mountain tires out. Tyrion reflects that the Mountian has great combat instincts true enough, but still Oberyn being more intelligent and skilled still resulted in the Mountain’s defeat during Tyrion’s trial. Oberyn only got his head squashed as a result of his arrogance.

@soulbrother1143

Жыл бұрын

Bobby b weapon makes all the difference..with his immense size and strength swing that huge hammer all he has to do is land and it starts crushing his armor and breaking bones underneath..he doesn't have to find gaps or wait for misteps....the hammer is a pole weapon like oberyns but heavily weighted to smash.....the mountain would get his ass whoop

I don’t remember his name but there was the warrior that Ned stark said was the toughest he ever faced. He was the warrior protecting baby Jon Snow and his mother. He took on a young Ned stark plus 8 other men and downed all but Ned Stark

@nolaanderson8770

Жыл бұрын

Ser Arthur Dayne

"armour piercing longbows" bruv i wanna tear my face off

Podrick would destroy the mountain with his singing and bed skills. No question about it.

If Arya had her weapon from the winterfell battle, the segmented staff with something pointy on the end, do you think that would change her chances? Gives her reach and unpredictability. I know it's a show only thing, but still it might be possible she could use it as a spear and then quickly switch to the flail mode while maintaining distance to hit at armor joints. Edit: he would also probably not see much danger in a little girl until the first cut too. Then he may go berserk though.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

I don't think its enough of a game changer for her but it would definitely help her live a little longer. Oberyn was without doubt one of the very best fighters in the world and had spent years planning his tactic for that duel and he just about eeked a win. In the book his spear is much longer too (showing just how dangerous he knew Gregors reach was) Aryas problem is getting past the armour. Getting into plate without heavy anti armour weapons like Bobby Bs hammer or a good mace makes it a game of hitting gaps, which against someone with as much reach and strength as Gregor is beyond a nightmare. Arya is my favourite character and I want to believe she can do it but its such a long short in most circumstances!thanks for watching! -Liam

@baltogames1501

Жыл бұрын

I think for it to be possible she would have to never be struck at all; which would be very difficult as even she would eventually lose stamina. Even if she blocked or tried to parry, any blow coming from the mountain would break her staff or send her across the arena in two different directions if it struck home. That guy cleaved a horse's head clean-off in one stroke.

@sawney_bean

Жыл бұрын

She would die in one punch let allone what would happen to her if the mountain get a hold on her... It would not be pretty

Peak Barristan Selmy. His feats: -Tried to enter a tourney at the age of 10 -Became a knight at the age of 16 after unhorsing Dunk. Dunk is quite the badass. -Trained by Arthur Dayne -Killed Maelys Blackfyre in single combat. Maelys was also the captain general of the golden company, touted as the best sellswords in the world, and got there by strength. -During the Defiance of Duskendale, Barristan snuck in on his own and killed everyone in his path. This included the castle's master at arms. He rescued Aerys II. -In his old age, he was still winning tourneys left and right. When he was 57, he beat the hound on Joffrey's 12th nameday.

People forget that the Mountain is a brutal killer. He seemingly lives to end lives, and has a terrifying amount of physicality backing it up. And GoT shows over and over that being a fan favorite doesn't matter in these moments.

3:20 The other issue is that an impaling strike to the eye isn't going to kill the undead-knight mode mountain, even if she could land it.

Assuming we are talking about the living mountain not the undead one....I think Drogo could beat him. He seemed very adept at dodging a smaller faster weapon so I believe he could effectively dodge that great sword...especially if mountain is in full plate. I think Drogo fight IQ is high enough that he wouldn't get his weapon caught in his armor and if for some reason he did he definitely wouldn't hold onto it instead of dodging. Then he would have to knock his helmet off and/or go for joints/weak points in the armor. Its a fight that could go either way but I still think Drogo is capable of pulling it off.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

We think Drogo can, but we think Gregor would take it more often than not. Drogos biggest issue is reach, he'll have to work a hell of a lot harder to threaten the mountain whereas the mountain is presenting threat within a 6ft radius around him, not to mention his shield needs to be bypassed if drogo gets past the sword!

Do you agree with our list? 😬

At this point in the books, Sandor is the most dangerous man in Westeros 1v1. He's in his twenties, bigger than Brienne and almost as skilled as prime Jaime. He's so far above everyone else at this point it's not even fair. The only real challange to him now would probably be Hotah. Sir Robert Strong doesn't count.

Just remember the words of Stan Lee: The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!

Part of the reason WOTW was so good was that Jon learned from his fight earlier when he got saved. Seeing him learn that fighting honorably was what lost him the fight, he did the opposite against the Magnar of the Thenns and didn’t hold back which is what won him the battle. Also, Jon has easily slain multiple white walkers who are easily just as strong if not stronger than the mountain. Maybe the armor does the difference, but I’d think Jon would have a chance more or less.

Hodor, with Bran at the controls. That beats the Mountain every time.

@dustingrimmmagic1067

Жыл бұрын

Nah. That means raw strength of hodor vs raw strength plus actual fighting experience by the mountain.

@amardeep_singh_chauhan

Жыл бұрын

@@dustingrimmmagic1067also Gregor is 1 feet taller and stronger than Hodor

@dustingrimmmagic1067

Жыл бұрын

@@amardeep_singh_chauhan fair! Didnt have their heights in mind!

@valimaa1006

Жыл бұрын

Mountain is said to tower above Hodor, I think it was mentioned in first book by Ned Stark, that someone even bigger than Hodor is insane.

@sean5558

Жыл бұрын

If Hodor had training experience and strength training he would probably match Gregor

Drogo said that he will invade Westeros and kill the men in iron suits. So he will for sure make weapons suitable for this mission.

Eyeslit, eyeslit, eyeslit... I seem to recall The Viper finding a ton of weak spots in Gregor's armor that weren't his eyeslit...

Bronn is the one with the best chances against Gregor Clegane.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

Show Bronn absolutely! Book Bronn not so much. They gave him quite the boost in the show because of how likable he was. In the books he's very very good but not up there with the best. Thanks for watching! Liam

@surkit6465

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFandomeClips Nah, Bronn is more skilled in the books, Tyrion even compares him to his brother Jaime.

Agreed for all. I have no doubts Drogo has the best odds but he’d obviously need to get some experience against heavy-armored opponents. He’s easily got the skill and speed, and probably enough strength to parry blows from the Mountain (which is extremely rare in the lore). But his lack of armor and his inferior weaponry are a problem.

I like to think Drogo world be smart enough to come prepared with a more suitable weapon of he knew the fight was going to take place, having seen how ineffective his standard weapons are against plate armour. ... Of course the question then becomes whether he would have the required skill to wield such a weapon.

@Art-is-craft

2 ай бұрын

Drogo was super strong and battle hardened. But against an armoured knight would have been at a disadvantage.

Here's another guy people don't name..probably because we haven't seen him fight yet...but what about areo hotah from dorne

@lokimischievous1698

Жыл бұрын

Good pick. He is definitely bad ass.

@beepyou34

Жыл бұрын

We were robbed of that one by Ellaria's assassination plot.

Maybe Arthur Dayne in his prime could take the mountain with a pole arm like a halberd but that's a big maybe. Always confused me when people said Drogo could take the mountain since Jorah proved that Dothraki don't know a good way to fight people in full armor, Nobody is beating the mountain in brute strength especially when he's armored. The whole reason he was the richest family in Westeros' preferred champion was that he's a giant battle hardened sociopath. There's a scene in clash of kings where the mountain's horse gets shot out from under him and he falls into a group of stark soldiers and proceeds to butcher his way through all of them despite their best efforts to kill him, all of this seen through Tyrion's POV and he isn't concerned the mountain is in any danger.

@sanjaysanj5603

Жыл бұрын

i dont think its a maybe, it would be probably a clear cut win for arthur, the thing is you cant compare the khal to a regular dothraki, drogo is more calculated and more skilled than them, i do think drogo can defeat the mountain, there are other weak spots than the visor, oberyn exploited a few of these, the back of the knee etc.

@nolaanderson8770

Жыл бұрын

He's the only one I can think of that can beat the Mountain, and that's "can" not "would"

@bobboberson2736

Жыл бұрын

@@nolaanderson8770 I agree that's why I picked him, he's described as the greatest swordsman who ever lived in Westeros so in a 1v1 he would have my bet and I'm a huge nerd for the books description of characters fighting styles.

@bobboberson2736

Жыл бұрын

@@sanjaysanj5603 I agree Arthur would likely beat the mountain in a straight forward 1v1 since he's said to be the greatest swordsman Westeros ever saw that's why I picked him but nothings written in stone and despite what the show portrays the mountain is a competent fighter not just a brute frothing at the mouth. I just can't get behind Drogo clapping the mountain, he's never fought anybody like the mountain whereas the mountain killed a fighter who was probably faster than Drogo and more used to fighting armored opponents. I know Oberyn got wrapped up in emotion and got taken by surprise but the fact the mountain still killed him is proof enough he has some speed. Like the video said all of Drogo's weapons would force him to be right next to the mountain and Drogo is described as a very large man so unless he can teleport the mountain is probably gonna grab him, overpower him and despite whatever wounds he's suffered and give him some medieval eye surgery too.

@lonesnip3rwolf

Жыл бұрын

Arthur would kill him in seconds, it wouldn't even be close.

For a regular person to take on the mountain that person must quite literally be the best spear fighter in the world.

Wun Wun would crash him! 😛 Close distance would be a disaster for the Mountain and even at far distance Wun Wun could take a one-hit kill with his oversized bow.

@sean5558

Жыл бұрын

💯 agree. But we all KNOW he can, the debate is who we think can kill him but couldn’t

@vestaris4601

Жыл бұрын

And Drogon could burn him in a second

I actually think Drogo would be the perfect candidate to beat the Mountain. He’s ridiculously fast and strong, capable of getting under or out of Clegane’s reach with relative ease and energy. The greatsword is a clumsy enough weapon that even Gregor’s surprising speed cannot overcome the fact that he has to laboriously signal where he’s headed. It really comes down to whether you think Drogo would slip up first/the Mountain would get lucky with a swing before the Khal’s own agility makes itself felt against a recoiling Mountain.

@TheFandomeClips

Жыл бұрын

I think Drogos biggest issue is that armour, his weapons and fighting style (well what we see in the show) are not optimised to deal with an opponent in plate armour, let alone armour as thick as the Mountains. Make them both fight unarmoured and the Khal (assuming he doesn't arrogantly charge at the mountain) would likely have Gregors guts in his hands after about 5 seconds 😂 thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts warlord! -Liam

@warlordofbritannia

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFandomeClips Ah, the armor issue; I forgot how the Mountain’s plate is basically plate armor on steroids 😂 Yeah, even the finest arakah isn’t getting through the “thickest steel” in Westeros, let alone the chain and boiled leather beneath it lmao

@roronoalaw7772

Жыл бұрын

The opposite actually, Drogo is the worst suited to dealing with The Mountain lol his weapon is shit against plate armour and he wears no armour himself.

@amardeep_singh_chauhan

Жыл бұрын

A Greatsword is Not really a clumsy weapon in hands of Gregor Clegane, sure he is not as skilled as his younger Brother Sandor but he surely is a lot stronger and tougher Also if you read the First Book A Game of Thrones the Battle of Green Fork Tyrion Chapter you will come by a line" The Left was made up of freeriders and mercenaries mixed with hedge knights and led by Ser Gregor Clegane The Mountain who was waving his great sword to put men into position like a man would wave a dagger"

@mrsdixon3524

Жыл бұрын

He lacks armour....and a big f#$king sword didn't you learn from the Hounds words😂