Who do you think is the most underrated character in Ultimate?

@electricssb

Ай бұрын

Lucas. He has a FASTER melee wave dash(it’s called snake dashing), some of the safest aerials on shield(upair-3, fair-2, djcz-3), insane cqc(jab frame 2, uptilt frame 4, dtilt frame 3, ftilt frame 7), an insane combo game(djcz loops, nair loops, upair loops, dair loops), really early kill confirms(dair loops kill confirm at 67 on Mario), a great recovery, top 3 edge guarding(pk thunder, down smash, fsmash, down air, back air), and zero to deaths oos with footstool djcz and nair oos. His few weaknesses are bad oos(which doesn’t count bc he has arguable the best fs oos in the game), bad landing(true but great air mobility, high jump, and longest airdodge in the game), bad grab(it’s trash), and bad get off me tools in the air(doesn’t really count bc he has a good enough air dodge and fair is decent for a get off me).

@chillarmyssbu

Ай бұрын

Toon Link

@silverpotato4272

Ай бұрын

Lucas easily. He has one of the best kits in the game and we’re calling him a mid tier

@TreebeardXIV

Ай бұрын

Toon Link is the most underrated character. I personally believe that he is the best of the three Links. People don't understand just how potent of a stat speed is in this game, and he's significantly faster than Link and Yink, in the air and on the ground. He's also the most consistent, which means he has a much easier time killing over Young Link. (Solo Yink main btw, lol.)

@benross9174

Ай бұрын

@@TreebeardXIVhe has the best results of the Links by far also. Having slow projectiles means he can control the stage really well as well as being hella fast

Nobody will ever know how good Lucas is, largely because he's not worth the investment to be a counterpick character, does surprisingly well against a lot of meta-relevant top tiers

@erickalvarez6486

Ай бұрын

I've been playing Lucas ans he has some really good MU as long as you know how the game works is not that hard. JaZaR has a pocket Lucas for Snake and Mar (bayo that beat Zomba at SFactor X) is also using Lucas as secondary for shotos and some others. So yeah I think Lucas has a really good MU chart as zoner with disjoints and he's worth and not that hard.

@nathanlevesque7812

Ай бұрын

def too much effort for the reward, but nobody uses his best combo options

@dprototype6431

Ай бұрын

Lucas is dummy fun to play as when you’re not just trying to camp your opponent out and fish for kills with PK Freeze.

@kingrhoam93

Ай бұрын

​@@dprototype6431Riiiiiiiiiight? I picked him up when I was 14 in brawl, and haven't stopped since. I never liked to camp so I just played him as a brawler, and kept that style ever since. He has surprisingly good buttons.

@electricssb

Ай бұрын

@@nathanlevesque7812I mean ig but with max effort you get probably a top 10 character that makes some matchups unwinnable for the opponent. Sure, you could probably play Steve, but no one likes him

Bayo literally has good top player results in EU, NA and Japan. Obvious top tier; she just suffers from her neutral being kinda mid (at approaching its busted when being evasive) and Solid Snake

@npclucario7005

Ай бұрын

I'm convinced bayo is top 10 atp, idk how you can have so many players succeeding in so many different metas and not think the char is amazing

@Eggss_B

Ай бұрын

I mean, Snakes and Bayos agree that the mu is getting better for her. Imo her worst mu might be Fox

@nathanlevesque7812

Ай бұрын

her neutral is mad annoying

@dragnjames2190

Ай бұрын

​@@npclucario7005same reason you can have very few players doing jackshit with Pikachu and shulk for the first 5 years of Ult but have people shout up at the clouds that they're top tier

Actually? Facts. This roster is huge so I doubt we will ever see all of the characters being developed to their peaks, but still, you spitting daBARS today.

personally I think Kirby is also underrated and is actually a low mid tier at least he has huge combos, kills insanely early, the dair uptilt into down smash. He just struggles with getting in but when he does he consistently deals like 40+%

Honestly though I played mii swordfighter a bit when the game came out and it felt like the whole gameplan was just fish for cheese. As soon as I switched to shuriken the entire kit felt so much more cohesive and they quickly became one of my best characters.

Duck Hunt is one of my mains. Finally committed to learning him after Hurt went on a tear at Battle of BC (...close enough in character playstyle right?). He's a ton of fun to use. And I'll also say that Duck Hunt Duo is such a bad EU localization name. It's a trio; the dog, the duck, and the zapper user infront of the screen. And honestly, I dislike how tier lists are structured. Little Mac should never be classified as "bad", that's not descriptive to describe his faults. Characters like him, DK, and Ice Climbers are insanely volatile. Either they blow you up, or they don't have the tools do their thing and get blown up. With a cast of so many distinct characters, I think these types of characters are perfectly fine and keep things interesting.

The main issue with Ice Climbers is consistency. Without Nana, you lose a lot of damage and kill power, and your recovery is severely neutered.

@roryrainbow77

Ай бұрын

On the other hands popo takes off the weights (figurative speech but also literal) not being tethered to an ai that CAN be unreliable

Duck hunt mains rise up

I think we should be thanking Dabuz for making this list of characters. I feel like this really clears up things in the sense that tier lists sometimes just don't dictate results with certain characters. We've even seen it time and time again with these top players and upsets and things like that. However I feel like we still all think the same, in the sense that we should be able to easily beat this or that random player for using a low tier online for example.

You’re right about Mii Swordfighter, just adding a few extra things to note • The versatility to change sets, whether you want tornado and chakram, or shuriken and galestab, is huge, and allows him to counter more characters because he can literally change his gameplay. • Tornado is still a good move, it just heavily depends on the matchup, you don’t want it vs most characters, but it has weird niches (12%, large hitbox, long lasting, transcendent) that help in specific matchups like Steve, Rosa, Olimar, etc. • Mii Swordfighter is a cheeser. This character is weirdly good at edgeguarding, whether it be using dair, which lasts forever, and with vertical upb, can drag them to the blastzone, or SSD Scoop, an untechable semi-spike that rides them to the bottom of the stage.

Ngl I'd put Robin over Duck Hunt

@benross9174

Ай бұрын

Robin does weirly good into both Kazuya and Steve specifically. And most swodies too unless they are fast. They get destroyed by most other characters though; especially most other top tiers

@finalmessage3051

Ай бұрын

@@benross9174 they do good into gaw too btw

@IckyStickyRicky123

Ай бұрын

clay pigeon combos into itself and can is busted so i disagree

This is just the sydney australia smash bros scene

@unclefred3128

23 күн бұрын

Sounds like they have fun tourneys!

I feel like DK is a lot better than people give him credit for. ASK out of shield has been MASSIVE for his meta, and he had a lot of underrated tools in neutral like grounded down b.

Little Mac is still a bad character and no one argues that Bayonneta is bad. She is at least a top tier if not one of the best characters in the game

@SpartanMK

Ай бұрын

Bayonetta as "one of the best characters in the game" is definitely quite an overstatement. However other than that, you are right, I did not expect to see Bayonetta in here either but this list was accurate enough nonetheless.

@KryZenGraphics

Ай бұрын

@@SpartanMK its more about relative placements mac is bad, but people overplace how bad he is, because his absurd ground game can get people, far more than say a slow laggy swordsman like Ike

Holy shit that reddit teir list is dog shit. BAYO IN MID?! When was this made?!?! Two years ago?!?!

@toadboy4

Ай бұрын

It's definitely old, Joker in top 2, Aegis in 3rd, and Kazuya in 5th, definitely from a couple years ago

miya committed to mii swordfighter but only for the sonix i believe

I agree with these picks But besides that, I also don't get why Pikachu and Shulk are not widely considered Top 10 in the game (Top 5 in case of Pikachu). They are also not even that hard. They're hard, but not crazy hard. If Big D and Muteace have climbed up the ranking after years of practice with their character, Imagine what Pikachu and Shulk could do in the hands of certain people. I think Sora is Top 10 too. He has everything. OOS, zoning, range, edgeguarding, and absolutely broken combos and kill confirms. Ness is potentially Super Top Tier as well, when people master the infinite. Same as with Joker gun loops. I also think Mewtwo and Lucario are better than most people think. Isabelle still also has a lot of potential.

@pocketvices

Ай бұрын

Stop with shulk man.. he's a sick char but he's Hella not worth. Pikachu is prolly in most ppls top 10 too. It's actually wild there's so little pika mains

@jannomeeuwessen4886

Ай бұрын

@@pocketvices he is thoughh He has everything you need plus more Range, OOS, combos, broken edgeguarding, and with the monado arts, he has speed, movement, not dying and crazy killing If there was someone who would have the passion to grind him with (like Muteace and Ice Climbers did), he would have crazy results too, maybe even better

I'm surprised after recent results DK wasn't in this list at all, ignoring Rakkikusu, Chunkykong is just a consistent high level threat in a way that feels even more locked in than Konga in Smash 4

I think Ryu is slightly underrated/ slept on. His frame data is actually cracked, and even though his game plan is kinda counter intuitive, it’s extremely effective.

Duck Hunt is so weird in the current meta. Honestly, they do really well against anything that doesn't have a sword in neutral.

Ngl, I thought you were gonna mention DK based on the thumbnail...

Little Mac is a menace at locals

I'm surprised people never considered mii sword fighter's flame neutral b It will kill pretty early with a decent bit of charge, but has multiple hits so it covers multiple options and easily catches rolls and neutral getups, and it can be b reversed for good mobility and then reversed again on release, and it floats you in the air so you can use it off stage I always thought it was completely under utilized Like, the knockback ramp up with charge is SHOCKING

Did we forget about the Miya swordfighter

@KryZenGraphics

Ай бұрын

wanted to highlight some of the mains of the characters

Hello DaBuzz---I'm your neighborhood Mii Swordfighter Savant & guide writer. Here to help with my years of testing and play. tl;dr X213 is your best moveset and you should always stay away from chakram b/c Gale Stab is actually the characters best move. You are correct both Shuriken and PowerThrust together net you good damage and a stock confirming strategy-- In general MSF struggles to KO because they are slow and have short range on their smash & basic attacks. The only move the character has that takes stock well is tippered forward smash. The most effective strategy is to pick moves that increase your mobility/speed, reach and options for KO's. The old meta of Skyward Slashdash + Chakram + Tornado + Reflect has been a thorn in the side of progression for this character as the mentioned moveset has little KO power and mobility options. I consider that moveset and anything Chakram related to be 'dark ages' and sadly deserving of the common MSF hate. Hero's Spin has terrible recovery and Skyward Slashdash removes a KO option outside of cheese. Stone Scabbard makes you invulnerable from frames 5-12 ending in a pop-up that trades better with many bad situations. It is a KO option and even a great spike. And as a recovery Stone Scabbard is one of the best in the game saving you from a lot of off-stage cheese. It's long range also means you have a long range destructive tool. Airassault may seem like it goes really far and has tremendous KO power but in competitive play its easily read and countered making it unuseable. What chakram gives you may seem amazing: an advantage state tool, and long range tool, and angles all in one! But Chakram is the single most deadly siren song for this character because here is what you lose. It forces you into Skyward Slashdash removing your KO option and removes Gale Stab which is actually the best move on the character. So chakram effectively slides you back into the dark ages. Gale Stab is a 9 frame attack useable in air that dashes you forward. When charging on the ground it gains more KO power, when using it in the air it auto-cancels. This KO's, starts combo's, recovers, provides a much needed speedburst mobility tool and gives one hell of a cross-up game. Ty for Dabuzz for mentionting MSF and GL out there MSF players.

I thought Isabelle was going to be most slept on. I’ve seen some true IsaGods. I think Bayo is “Baby-Broken”. She still has touch of death combos ⭐️

Duck hunt is one of my best characters!! Let's go!!!!

The problem with playing duck hunt Is that the can might as well be a second character

Even with the basis of the smash subreddit, I don't think any of these characters are underrated. Ultimate has a high power level in general so you have tons of characters in the lower half with really good tools but generally lack some*thing* that makes them CONSISTENTLY absurd like characters in high and top tier. So as mid-low tiers they're waiting for some*one* with that consistency instead.

I think Mii Swordfighter's combo potential is under-explored. Having a multihit dair that hits low enough to combine with footstools is lowkey busted.

From what I can tell, optimized Ice Climbers only need one good hit to kill. That idea compared to their representation makes them the most underrated character in the game for sure.

@benross9174

Ай бұрын

Icies are a MU fish. Great vs brawlers and garbage vs zoners and swords. Too polarizing to consitantly win I feel

Isabelle Pit Doc Icy K Rool

Bayo is broken and top 10.

Would love to see a most overrated characters vid + Dk should definitely be here, this character is dumb he’s mad underrated for the bullshit in his kit.

Greninja. He is at least top 15

That tier list is so bad 😭😭😭

@gv82089

Ай бұрын

Outside of top 5 it seems decent

Please make actual content.