I JUST REALISED THE WOMAN TALKING IS MY SCREENWRITING PROFESSOR omg..

@smartduck904

Жыл бұрын

So cool

I'm BRAND NEW to editing, but have been a professional dancer for years and years. Editing feels more like choreographing to me. It's about coordinating motion, light, sound, and emotion into an artistic creation. I use the same thinking process to edit as I do when I choreograph a dance. Thanks for this video, very informative!

Sven don't try and edit the footage, that's impossible, instead only try to realise the truth. There is no footage. Then you'll see it's not the footage you're editing, only yourself.

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

that sounds deep.

@Madchriz

7 жыл бұрын

HAHA! amazing.

@flipfilms1759

7 жыл бұрын

When you realize the cinamatographer didn't do his job.

@AntonVeliTajan

6 жыл бұрын

Spoon kid.

@thepaullimshow4465

6 жыл бұрын

Inception within an Inception

Honestly? She makes a lot of interesting and insightful comments about the process, but... your choice of visuals are astounding! You took what was a thought provoking, but maybe dry dialogue about how the process and material shapes the editor as much as the editor shapes the material, and you took it to a place far beyond the clips and audio you used. Just like how the quiet sections in some music add a level of depth that isn't actually there, your editing of this video not just amplified the dialogue, it created an atmosphere where one is compelled to think about what is being said and to fully absorb the meaning behind it. It may not be your best work, but it's the best of your work I have seen! Once again, thank you!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

wow. thank you.

@PetrichorArtHouse

7 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. The content was great. And I was struck by Sven's fantastic job editing this piece. The visuals did a fantastic job to really make the words resonate.

@leafycat9039

7 жыл бұрын

I agree, and could u please send us some info about the music? Subscribed :) @svenpape

@Johan-vk5yd

3 жыл бұрын

I listen first without the footage. The dialogue stands it ground also without it! Background sound in tune, not intruding.

Editing is like cycling the world. You have an idea but as soon you start editing (cycling) you move into spaces you even did not imagine before. And let it happen and dance with the new plan is esencial. Be flexible is the key. Thanks for another master piece.

@tarasshevchenko8917

7 жыл бұрын

Alvaro Neil, el biciclown Agree, 100%!

She is not really talking about the science of editing, she is talking about the process. This is the generally accepted approach most editors take because it makes the most sense. You have to view, sort, assess, and select the material before you compose it. For me the science of editing encompasses the psychological effect of manipulating different combinations of moving images and sounds to elicit different emotional responses.

I've been editing twenty six years and this little piece is the perfect encapsulation of the process as I see it. Thank you for this essay, I love this so much.

@ThisGuyEdits

3 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

I am a filmmaker who often writes, directs and edits the projects I work on. When it comes to editing. I think of it as rewriting a story, using only the words within the book. I can't write new words, but I can cut words, make new sentences out of old ones and change the order of the chapters. It's the same story, rewritten for the last time.

Hi Sven, I'm Pato, a Mexican film editor in my 40's. I've been editing for 30 years since my dad brought a VHS and a Betamax home in a small northern little town in Sonora. I revisit your videos every now and then, especially the Science Of Editing series; great job BTW. Being now also a writer, I'm convinced I would add a category to this list, which is: LISTEN, and it would be right before COMPOSING. Every time I need to feel what the material wants to tell me, very frequently I rely on music and the remembering of the material playing both over and over. It could be part of number 5, COMPOSE, but I just wanted to share this important tool, for me anyways. All the best wishes directly from Mexico City. Thanks for inspiring us with your channel and the wonderful work in it.

Editing is how we think. So a film is a focused stream of consciousness being projected on screen. The music enhances all the emotions and moods.

This is an EXCELLENT piece

@MSDJHERO

5 жыл бұрын

Why?

Made me feel like editing is an art. Moreover, this video itself is a brilliant example of turning a telephonic conversation into an amazing video.

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

i'd say editing IS an art :)

@reverietapes

6 жыл бұрын

Editing is an art

this is an extremely insightful video. As a video editor this has brought insight into my current projects.

Im trying to learn to edit as much as i can. I cant afford to pay someone. Thank you for all the free information. It is greatly appreciated. My second film is in post now.

One of the best videos ive seen recently! Havent seen this explained in such an articulate way anywhere else! Anything i film is almost always steered in unforseen directions in the edit. Been learning not to fight this and just go with it and it always works out in my favor. Its like riding a wave to a new place smoothly or trying to fight it and having it crash into you

Looking forward to more from this series. I loved how this piece resonated with my own ideas/thoughts/insights that I have formed over the years working as an editor.

This is simply gold. Thanks for putting it together.

Loved every bid of it. Liked how the images reflecting the 5 stages came back in the summary. Good job!

You killed it with this episode. I Thoroughly enjoyed that. You gotta love an ever-evolving channel.

Thanks, was intrigued by the thought she made about "That is, your mind is THE film" made me stop and go back again.

That was the most cerebral & benificial definition of editing. Most people only tell the what and how. This explains the how and why, thus defining what the "what" should be! Bravo. Simply masterfully sensible.👊🔥

Editing is an art, expressing your mind and actually making it like reality is just crazy. Great video!! A lot of interesting teachings in this

Being a screenwriter, I literally feel this theory goes hand in hand from the very beginning of the page to the editor. Amazing.

I am so super happy that I have found your channel ! It is brilliant - Thank you

Thank you for helping to demystify the process of editing.

this video it self is an art...I don't know the science reason, but the pace is so calming, relaxing yet keeps giving me the knowledge which is hard to understand when we read it in the book.... I really love your work please teach us how to conduct audience's emotion through the edit :)

not sure why but your content is just popping up on every avenue i swing by on the internet! the interwebs knows I need it because i'm editing a webseries right now! love the channel

Awesome content, thank you for making the video!

Great video - thanks for sharing! The patience aspect of editing is huge, and I'm glad it was mentioned because I don't think many people fully appreciate how much time goes into crafting something beautiful from a mountain of footage. Coming from a corporate video production background with lots of short turnarounds and tight deadlines, I came to rely heavily on string-outs of the content that resonated most with me, and then jumping straight into the edit from there, so I could afford to spend more time in the composing phase :)

I love this! Thank you for this. This just opened my mind to how I edit my vlogs and videos! I'm so pumped to get back to work and editing now!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

glad you're pumped.

Fantastic distillation of the mindfulness of editing. It's helpful to think of the process in five parts. This helps me to understand where I am when I have those near paralyzing moments when working on a project. Thank you.

Ashley Love, Editor in Chief of T2PTV, a small production company in Annapolis, MD. I'm a videographer and an editor and I do find myself starting to select and remember while I'm filming. It's all candid stuff we're filming, mostly, so it's wild to do the "watching" while it's actually happening. The part about having feelings over and over again makes a lot of sense too. I have some projects that I've watched the final product, literally, dozens of times and I STILL get emotional at the same parts. The last thing I wanted to throw in this mix was about watching and having a feeling. I repeat that process many times throughout the steps. If I'm an audience to someone else's work, I'm thinking to myself, "this is what should happen next" or "It would feel right to end that scene riiiiight... NOW." When the other "composer" does it like I would have in my head, I think it's a fantastic piece of art. I do the same thing to myself when I'm editing. The building blocks we play with are like 3 dimensional Tetris pieces, we don't necessarily get to control what shape they have. So when I'm composing with a soundtrack or with a pace in mind, it does build and build and use the expectation, the what feels like it ought to come next and look and search for that piece and let it build and build. One more thing, I completely agree that you have to be patient. Some of the best projects I've turned over was when the whole system crashed and I had to start from the middle and build it back again. It's always MUCH better the second time around!

I have just been reading Cutting Rythyms as part of my research for film school this interview was really great, beautifully edited and i loved it. Its also how i found your channel previously based of your casey video. I really love your channel and look forward to more videos

Brilliant. Thank you for this. Very interesting perspectives.

It is super helpful to go back an rewatch these some times. I am glad your work is here. I am starting to film like for real this week I am in Quarantine [Not sick just stuck at home]

Lots of wonderful video (photography), like composition and the rule of thirds. Very good cross fades... Really thought provoking. Enjoyed. Heidi. I love how each of the frames of the clips can stand on their own as an image. Thanks. Franny.

These videos are just amazing ! I am 15 and I live in Belgium... It gives me so much material and ressources to be able to "feel" the editing science. I learn a lot with your channel... Thank you so much !

I love the insights into the mental processes which evolve as you edit more films. I can see that I now use the sorting process when I am filming.

I like what you had to say about editing. It does give someone inspiration to grow and create better content. Thank You for this piece.

Congrats, this is the best video I have seen on editing and is incredibly insightful.

I can not express my feeling of gratitude about this generous flow of passion and knowledge you share with us. I really learned a lot from this video and as a non-regular comment writer and editor myself thank you very much.

I love your philosophical and mental approach to editing. it's not about the technical. these insights have helped me to become a better storyteller and overcome some serious blocks while editing. I would add that response or interaction is something that I find so crucial to editing. it's touched upon in this video thought not explicitly listed. Editing is an interaction, a response to the material as much as it is a composition. Thanks for these great insights.

From individual shots to film dialectic. Solid piece. Kudos!

Loved this. It really crystallised a lot of my thoughts and learning as a beginner in editing. The thought process is possibly the most elusive element of learning the craft, and this was both tangible and yet deep at the same time. Thank you.

Thank you for creating this visual discussion. While it's nice to see people's faces every now again in interviews (this can be over done on the internet), thank you for putting the time into making it emotional

My journey to learn this job but mostly... this piece of the puzzle of this art form has been taken completely to the next level with the discovery of your channel. Thanks Sven, the value of your content is incredible.

This whole video is a masterpiece in itself. And the message just beyond everything. Amazing and encouraging!

I loved this. She verbalized what we do quite well. And I agree with the others who commented on how beautifully you put it together, Sven. Thank you!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

nice

Thank you for this outstanding piece, saved to my favorites. Will view again and again for inspiration!

Editing is so much about the moment to moment as well as the bigger picture. Attention, memory, feeling and time. But often directors watch the material for small details, continuity and shot composition that they overlook emotional impact, where the audience will pay attention and for how long, and momentum.

I'm surprised that you are surprised when a director is open to something you've taken in a direction different than what you had talked about. This is the heart of the creative process, that the work itself has a mind of it's own, and a director is as sensitive to that as an editor. On the set, or in rehearsal, or working with the writer (or cinematographer, composer, set decorator, etc), a director runs into that experience over and over again. A good director actually looks for those moments. In fact, directors are secretly disappointed when something goes strictly to plan. Yes, it's functional and that is often enough, but there's always that hope that something more will come from each moment during the actual act of creation. It's that old phrase, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." If it offers more insight to think about the editor as a composer, then it is also useful to think about a director as a conductor, blending the efforts of so many disparate elements over time into a harmonious experience that can touch an audience on different levels.

This video is one of the best videos on KZread Thank you Sven I don't know how many times I have watched it.

I love this series so much. It reminds me of some of my favorite shows like The Secret and What the Bleep do We Know in the mood of the mystery and power of editing! I love the expert and I love the talented editing of this particular video. I feel sad that editors are not given the proper recognition.

This is so helpful! Thank you so much~

This is so accurate. Reminds me of "being in the flow state"...but from an editor's perspective. Like how the energy flows through (with you as an instrument) to communicate and/or inspire certain emotions. A type of aesthetic form of expression. Requires trial and error I must agree but with artistic or creative endeavours, one must be willing to be wrong in order for true creativity to come through. This video is grrrreat!

I'm really liking this channel. I find it is still a bit over my head, but intriguing!

One of your best videos of 2016, Sven. I don't always agree with your but I gotta say this was a 10 out of 10. I appreciate your good work. Keep it up!!!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

i take that. thanks :)

This video is really great. It’s the best video I’ve ever seen created by a commentary editor.

This is a great video. These steps can also serve as a reminder of what you should do, and in what order, when editing a film. In a way, these steps keep you on the right track when editing.

to me the List is true for any creative process i have been in. be it filming, editing, grading, creating music, lyrics, paintings, pictures, a thought, a mindset or a diy active loudspeaker or guitar from scratch. The toughest to learn for me was that it seems there is no useful way but going through it iteratively and then reducing the needed iterations, gaining and extanding my experience - hopefully till it almost works flawlessly like a waterfall. and well partially it already does. Thank you both for sharing your experience. such a treasure for such a "go-with-your-guts-but-learn-to-really-understand-what-they-are-trying-to-say-guy". literally clarifying

This seems simple, but its quite astounding seeing a workflow described in such a way.

Love it!!! Totally want to see more of these type of videos, super insightful.

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

cool. there'll be more.

Amazing video! thankyou both

Lovely piece, great quotes. I find now I only work on my own material I go in to the edit knowing what the film is supposed be, but I don't even pretend to try to honour some kind of script line by line edit or project my will onto the film. I go in looking to discover because once you're in the edit the footage has a way of telling you how it wants to work. If you don't listen to that it falls apart so quickly. It's very strange and very exciting because it feels like you're dealing with something as complex and wilful as another being.

Wow, this was dense. You two are discussing such abstract concepts that I'm almost overwhelmed by it, haha. But it's good stuff to think about, and it's definitely worth considering when editing. Thanks for the video, great work as always!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

nice.

Outstanding. I've never thought about this before, and I'm just getting started, so I can't comment on whether this is all of it or not, but it feels right. For me personally, I have been trying to put together a simple little "home movie" and every time I get a basic assembly of it it seems to "take on a life of it's own" and I completely change it. I resisted this at first, thinking I was unsure of my ability to do it and just unwilling to commit to something. After watching this I think it is just a natural part of the process. I have 10 hours or so of footage I can use to make a less than 5 minute home movie. I really haven't done the sorting process very well, and I think that it inhibiting my progress. Very timely video for me. :)

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

nice. 10h of footage for 5 min. of content, that's quite the editing task. Clients always ask how long does is the take to cut a 3 min. piece. I usually tell them that it depends on how much they shot.

@deleyton

5 жыл бұрын

+This Guy Edits do you change your fee depending on the length of the footage?

How can I say better than amazing?! Don’t have words to try describing your work. I love you. I’m learning a lot! Thank you!

Great video....heady stuff! I love your channel, it is so helpful to me even though I am just a newbie editor.

Mind blowing job! I am more a sound editor/designer than images, but in both cases most of what you mentioned I learned by intuition. I always considered editing as music composing, with its notes, compasses, rhythm...

Thank you for this video !

Oh my word!!!! Just watched this for the first time and I realized I instinctively did these things already without any training. It’s just what I do...

This is just great thanks for putting all of this together so much information this is one of the best KZread channels I know... this is awesome!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

hey thanks.

This video is fantastic. After wading through so many guys and dudes saying basically the same thing, this one took it to another level. I will rewatch to let all the points really sink in. I mean, it sort of completely altered what I think film “is”. And what a smooth and listenable conversation. Will check out the book with Karen’s chapter.

This was so inspiring actually, I had to pause the video multiple times to write down some ideas that came to my mind!

This was absolutely amazing. Thank you :)

Love this!! LOVE EDITING!❤

Love the mind blowing cut.... literally a mind blowing cut.

Thanks for yet another great video. Still waiting for your channel to blow up and for you to gain the recognition you deserve!

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

that'd be nice. thx!

This is great. I love this chanel. I admire your way of working.

Very insightful, thank you for sharing !

Hey Sven, Wonderful video, amazing tutorial!!!! I couldn't agree more, learning so much on eleven minutes deep thoughts video not about editing but how to set my mind to do so!!!! Thanks

I think a good editor starts making connections once they read the script and have that first conversation with the director. If the script connects with you somehow or the director's pitch and detective work makes sense on a different level then you go into the editing process already looking for that. The editing process is like exploring a pyramid or a tomb, you're looking for these treasures that the director and the script calls for. Sometimes, you don't find them, and other times you find completely new treasures that you would have never discovered if you didn't go down that tunnel or take that wrong step. Eventually, you have to leave the tomb, you only have so much time and resources, a good editor comes out with all the treasures, a great editor finds even more treasures that tell a wonderful story.

Genius and simple. Love this - it will help me shoot better for my editor.

Amazing video! I think there is also the "Flow of the mind" that you sucking yourself to the material the timeline, the music, etc... maybe it's a summarize of all the 5 thing that is mention in this video.

Arriving at this vid late :) ... Even as a simple beginner KZreadr, these videos are immensely helpful. Although I am just trying to improve my performance in front of the camera, and the absolute basics - I now THINK about rhythm and subtlety etc - and am pondering how, even in a simple vlog format, I might be able to tell a story in my editing as well. Thank you SO much!

I love this series. Thank you

Great video. Wonderfully edited.

Cant be anymore thankful, this and all of ur vids are so helpful. I literally learn from your videos more than i learn from the lectures i have in the university (I study film)

This is a really great interview - thank you so much. This woman is so interesting and insightful!

The Insight is great, thanks for the Video and the video is done good as well

Very interesting approach to editing. Hubbard described the mind as the collection of memories. Nothing more. The being (what he called “thought”) looks at the pictures (the mind).

Hey Sven and Karen, thanks for that wonderful deconstruction of our craft! Finally someone who declares "watching" a skill. yeah! I wonder if the last point "composing" should be broken up in two stages, maybe "creating and composing". Because we sometimes "imagine what's not yet there", eg. by adding sound in the background (doorbell), suggest additional shots (Estabs etc.) or rewrite dialogue for ADR. In your exmaple with the letters: If I quickly write "R" on the backside of the "G" and duplicate the "O", I could have the "DOOR" I'm so desperately in need of.

Great, great segment!!!

Thank you! I'll use this to make a short documentary about our struggle to recover our land here in Paraguay

The bit about movies being smarter than the people making them is really profound. For one, there's the editing process which is touched on here. An editor can cut the footage an infinite number of different ways and, being removed from the on set process, see things the director can't or didn't. Second, I think movies can be compared to religion. Disregarding the quality of the movie, while there may be a central theme and message of a movie that most people agree upon, everyone filters what they see through their life experiences and react and relate to different parts in different ways. It really is a marvelous thing.

Thanks so much for this!

Great Content. I;m getting into this world of editing, and i agree with all that. I find my self in a position that challenge every single cell in my brain to edit a film.

This is interesting. I could come up with a completely different set of steps and in fact a random set of steps would be disruptively interesting as well. The point of this video by TGE and Dr Pearlman is that it breaks the material down and offers insight into the processes. The value there is that it motivates and inspires us to edit, and edit, edit, edit is precisely what any budding editor needs to keep on doing.

@ThisGuyEdits

7 жыл бұрын

agreed

The scrabble analogy is good, but when people ask me what I do or what my process is I describe it as jigsaw puzzle. It never comes out how looks on the box (the directors intent) and a lot of the time your trying to squeeze the right pieces together. Sometimes they fit in perfectly like they were made for each other but sometimes you really gotta jam them in and deal with the rough edges.

You know that urge for looking over everything before you start working that you mentioned, and looking back at your work to check it. Yeah, I had that way before I became seriously interested in making film and watching it carefully. And so... it was the reason I never finished my tests on time.