Control panel for the television studio would be GREAT.

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

Yeah id love one a bit smaller for those switchers

I like your Multi-converter hub idea. That would be amazing to have those available.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

i exists. its called open gear.

@benchxwychua443

Жыл бұрын

@@juri14111996 i was going to say this

The multi-converter is such a no-brainer I can't believe they haven't done it yet! The modular version would be great too!

@BensTechLab

Жыл бұрын

☝ This! I don't know how they haven't done this as it basically requires 0 new tech engineering (it's all mechanical rework). Just design some new PCBs with the same guts as the mini converters, new power supply and your off to the market!

@Js0896

Жыл бұрын

They have modules card version for opengear.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

@@BensTechLab or redesign the microconverter, so all video inputs and outputs are on one side and power on the other. then they only need a case with slots for the converter and a fixed usb in every slot.

All thumbs up for compact audio control, preferably with wireless option.

If like the converter idea. A suggestion for powering what you currently have would be to use an Anker USB wall charger. They make them in several configurations that support 60W of charging.

All fantastic suggestions! I'm definitely a +1 for the bigger videohub too 👍

@pierrejeanjean9355

Жыл бұрын

Hi alex, I've an video hub 12x12, I'm mostly making live events, with multi screen I bought but I never used it! What's the use for this gear? (studio? ...) I'm using now 2ME hd, and Constellation 8K...

I agree with most of those ideas. A Multi-converter box would be great and even using the OpenGear standard would be a great way to implement the modular idea. My biggest issue with cameras is the use of EF and MFT. I was hired to my current job to build a brand new studio and so I don't have any EF or MFT lenses and I bought a Canon R5 which uses RF. A BMD Camera that uses RF or B4 would be great for a PTZ and even for their other cameras. A "Micro" control panel would be great and I work with a team that could so use that. They borrow my Advance Panel when they need it or else they use the software. But out of everything you mentioned the biggest thing they need to upgrade is their VideoHubs. I knew I needed one for the studio I built for my work and I have realized that even the 40x40 is not enough for me. You run out quickly and you want to future proof so you always want to get 4K or 6K capable devices and for BMD not to have something bigger then 40x40 for 4K or 6K is a huge problem. So hopefully BMD will see this and listen to their user base. The IBC announcements from them was disappointing to say the least.

What I would love to see, is for the Fairlight system, they added an onboard surround sound panner (or two,) when doing mixing in Dolby Atmos! As the Dolby renderer is now built into the Fairlight page within Resolve.

Yes to all please!! But multi lens mount on that ptz :)

I would LOVE if Blackmagic made a dedicated ATEM Macro's Panel (maybe a ATEM Mini sized device with a small screen and 20-30 programmable LCD-based buttons) that was network based and allowed you to control multiple ATEM devices (Mini, Television Studio) and was designed to trigger ATEM Macros. This would eliminate the need for programs like Companion or a PC or software solutions like MixEffect for iOS. Having an all hardware based solution would be ideal for remote work without relying on a computer or software and having tactile buttons would make life easier. It annoyed me that there are only 8 macro buttons on the Extreme (and none on the Mini's).

I definitely agree that a multi-input/output converter would be great for the mini range.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

it exists for professional use. called open gear.

Full support for a multiple HDMI in to SDI output hub

Hi, Decimator make a DMON-4S which is 4 x SDI in and 4 x HDMI out with a multi view function.

@RyanBoni

Жыл бұрын

I was also going to mention the DMON-4S. It's a nice converter for converting 4 SDIs to 4 HDMIs. My only complaints about it were the use of the mini HDMI, which I fully understood because you couldn't fit 4 full-sized HDMI on it, and the fact that HDMI 1 was on the other side from 2-4, which I'm also sure was a layout constraint.

Agree on PTZ and small panel. Grt video thx.

Nice Observations!

Would’ve loved a Micro Control Panel like you mentioned (following the DaVinci naming convention)

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

Good thinking!

An interesting video channel to help a manufacturer. Not that I think they need too much help, and a lot of the ideas below are simply to make particular setups easier. Now the one that interests me, that is a "proper" PTZ camera at a Blackmagic price. There are quite a few makers in this field, but most of them are from the security market and lack the features of a remote studio camera. As most may not be familiar with this the features are: full, proper servos on all 3 axes with a control protocol that is like a broadcast zoom, in other words full rate and acceleration control by joystick or whatever. Thus a gentle zoom in on a live shot, track movement subtley etc. The cheaper competition cannot be moved during a shot, or even zoomed because they have speed only servos (usually with a fixed minimum speed response with instant acceleration) and non-parfocal zooms (focus is not constant with zoom position). Unfortunately all these features are not simple or cheap, which is why broadcast lenses cost so much compared to essentially still camera lenses etc.

I posted on the blackmagic forum a while ago about a dedicated audio controller, even going so far as to sketch on up... I would like to see an audio controller with more analog audio I/O, in built mixing and the ability to control via fader layers the Atems fairlight mixer functions (similar to the fairlight console).

There is a possibility to get the converters inside a rack mountable unit, this are the opengear standards. Blackmagic does have quite a lot of opengear cards.

@benchxwychua443

Жыл бұрын

i thought they stopped manufacturing those

Audio control panel for Atem is something that has been needed for quite some time.

@pierrejeanjean9355

Жыл бұрын

I bought a Xtouch, and I wait for a MADI card for X32 rack to use the sliders to control the sound...

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

just get a real audio mixer. the atem only has one stere output. without a way of routing channels its not realy usefull.

We desperately need 12G Atem Constellation 2 M/E please... Or upgrade the ATEM TV 4K to add Supersource and 2M/E with more i/o

bmd should develop rack mounts for a bunch of converters, something official. I.e. 8 Optical converter to have a SDI/Fiber Converter solution in a small rack case. That would be helpfull or to build a kind of stage-/set-box with SDI to fiber/fiber to sdi, Network for NDI etc.

Foot switch for the atem mini is like my number 1 thing.

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

You can hack that together with a few pieces of software :D

@ThisIsLeeBird

Жыл бұрын

@@heretorecord I like plug and play lol! I know the companion method with the Elgato footswitch

Blackmagic could really cause waves by opening up the Terranex form factor as a standard for third-parties to adopt. I have one of those 1U shelves and only a Web Presenter 4K mounted on it at the moment, third-parties could improve what I could potentially put into it.

I'm seeing professionals moving away from SDI to network based protocols. While I don't see BMD adopting NDI and Dante, there are others or maybe invent their own. Personal experience has taught me it's easier to work with network cable than coax. It's smaller, lighter, and takes up less space. It's also easier to hide and cover trip hazards. As it stands I personally run one set of network cables to PTZs for control. Then I end up running a second set on hdmi extenders to my extreme iso. In theory I should just be able to run one for each cam if the ATEM would have native rtmp support and be able to assign those feeds to camera buttons. Even better if I could use macros in the ATEM to trigger camera presets. None the less network solutions are the wave of the future and I think BMD needs to start moving in that direction.

@WolfsHaven

Жыл бұрын

Alternatively make a separate box that accepts multiple rtmp feeds and outputs it to hdmi and or sdi outputs for shorter runs to the ATEM.

I think BMD needs to make a video camera with a built in lens. Not every live production needs, or ought to have that razer thin DOF, cinematic looks, with cinematic/photo lenses. Slap together something like the Sony PXW-z90V and I believe you got the beginnings of reaching more amature/semi-pro live productions. Everything about that camera would be controllable through software too, even zoom. I even think if it had both HDMI and SDI output, and then a USB-C ports for hand controls and ethernet adaptors, now all aspects of this camera would be able to live within the BMD environment. It would essentially be a URSA Super Mini Pro? Built in lens, 1" sensor, constant f2.8 aperture, 20x zoom with digital zoom, VND filter, built in xlr handle, 4.6K up to 120fps, nice dynamic range, and dual USB-c ports for handle controls and recording on an SSD. Idk how this can be done without sabotaging their existing URSA line, so obvious changes in design would need to happen...

Here's one: make the buttons fully customizable. Imagine if you could basically have a stream deck built into your atem mini if you don't use a bunch of the buttons as they come out of box (which I'm pretty sure is the case for most people).

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

it could be done with a custom firmware for the atem mini. the atem mini whould even fit from a price point, 200$ for a controll pannel is ok.

100% agree. I'm also hoping they release some new mid range video mixers, with some pro add on options. It's much easier when it all works together and provides the functionality.

@pierrejeanjean9355

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by 'mid range'? The constellations HD aren't mid range for you?

@ians.4284

Жыл бұрын

@@pierrejeanjean9355 BMD ranges from low end to mid range. None reach Ross Ultrix Acuity or Grass Valley levels.

Now that OSEE has launched its GoStream which has many of the ATEM Mini Extreme features for a fraction of the price, it would be good to see Blackmagic match their functionality and price point... Maybe throw in 4K as well? (Pretty please.)

@ScandinavianCoward

8 ай бұрын

Here's hoping you'll be able to review the OSEE GoStream at some point as well.

I didn't know they gave up their modular rack converter! It's s strange decision in my view but honestly BMD always been a big fan of selling quantities of their small gadgets. So giving up the modular system is probably a business decision. Just as well as its more likely to see a ATEM Mini Extreme 50/50 with 4 HDMI and 4 SDI coming up rather than a modular system. That's how the cookie crumbles! 😉

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it would seem they haven't touched that modular one is a long while - even the marketing pages look out of date.

PTZ : MFT sensor, good fixed lens, for $ 1'200 would be a hit like the ATEM mini was for churches, small shows, venues, etc. Combined with a PTZ controller in an ATEM mini form factor. 🤯

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

Would love to see some lower-end PTZ (but of course the picture quality needs to be good!)

Each bus on a multi-converter could be direction switchable. No need for modularity or having to choose.

Audio!!! The ATEM minis need a balanced audio port. And faders on a Hyperdeck Shuttle HD format/size would be stellar; Micro Audio breakout unit. Extra credit if it can run btwn ATEM mini and Audio Breakout via Ethernet, think DANTE for ATEM.

Multi I/O would be a great product to have.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

it exists, its called opengear.

I would love a play back only version of the Hyperdeck shuttle with a Teranex Mini LCD and Menu wheel, with two large Play/Pause and Play Next buttons at the bottom, with smaller Cue Previous, Cue Next, Clip and FTB buttons above it, with the LCD screen and wheel above. LCD show video with file name and countdown to end of video. HDMI as well as SDI A and B out for. Please, please, please Blackmagic.

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

That's a lot to ask for :D

I love the BM ecosystem but couldn’t go down that route as multi-cam replay seemed a far away possibility. So unless they added something in recent years which I didn’t notice (I haven’t been following too much lately to be honest), then this would be a cool idea.

@AdamSims

Жыл бұрын

And totally agree on the PTZ. With micro four thirds there is the added bonus of 2x crop factor on full frame, useful for sports productions where the subjects are 2km away.

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

They don't really have anything for the replay market, surprisingly.

6) Instant Replay Device

@RyanBoni

Жыл бұрын

I have a strange feeling that this is coming! When they announced the ATEM SDI Extreme ISO, I was thinking about how that device is getting so close to a stand-alone multi-camera replay device. If you take the SDI Extreme ISO body, it can already take 8 cameras in. It does ISO recording of all of them already, so that would be your recording/buffer of each camera for the replays. And the switcher would allow for transitioning between multiple replays through a dissolve or effect (or perhaps it has 2-channel output or more.) So, now all you need is variable speed playback and a way to save clips into playlists. Perhaps a Hyperdeck Shuttle that snaps alongside the SDI Extreme ISO body for a playback channel, which would also give you jog/shuttle functionality. Then replace a couple of the unnecessary buttons with mark in, mark out and a few other replay-oriented buttons and put a small T-bar on it for varying the speeds and you have an 8-camera in, 1 or 2-channel out standalone replay device in the same body size as an SDI Extreme ISO.

I concur with Mr. Barker #BlackMagicDesign

I would love the converter hub for the studio! I recently got the 2 M/E Constellation HD as well, and the conversion problem is still there, only the other way around. All the screens in my studio are HDMI, as well as the cameras and the computers, so there is definitely a need for converting several signals both in and out of the switcher. I think an 8-module hub would be enough for starters, with half of the connections in each direction.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

i just tape te converter to the hdmi device. so i one need to rerouter an patch sdi. if you want an rack mountable converter get opengear cards.

ATEM Not-so Advanced Panel™ works for me. As especially BMD is starting to run out of names in it's naming conventions.

FR7 type camera from BlackMagic would be perfect for so many setups .It also would bring back the micro studio/cinema camera that some made to work with ptz but still it did not work great. Middle things is still one thing but it either is not working as well as a ptz from Blackmagic would. Awesome video! SDI and HDMI inputs and outputs on single video hub be awesome! Hope so much BMD sees this video!

@coralieb1008

Жыл бұрын

For now I use 2 APC-R + Studio 4K pro + Middle Remote, they work great for ptz and I can add zoom control to any lens. Only drawback is that I need to add a separate ethernet cable for control in addition to the video cable.

I would blackmagic design to introduce device you can simply just add to mini line thing like a t bar that can be added between atem mini device and a laptop either through usb or over the network a desk light for when working in low lighting events that can plug into one of usb ports but has its own usb port so you can connect to other devices in like a Daisy chain effect also level meter monitor for the sound so if you are getting the sound mix of a separate device with its own controller you can still monitor the sound levels going into the recording devices or been streamed live so sound isn't be compressed to much that is been distorted as it comes out

There are larger Blackmagic crossbars than 40x40. The Universal Videohub! You can then configure this yourself. We have an 80x80 router.

@BensTechLab

Жыл бұрын

I think this design is aging and 3G only right? People are starting to think about at least 6G or maybe 12G.

Multi Converters like the 500 Series

Not so advanced panel, lol. :-)

I'm curious ... what happened to the comment, I left 5 days ago, when this video got published?

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

What did that comment say? It might have gotten flagged for spam.

@zeno.heilmaier

Жыл бұрын

@@heretorecord I just noted that you must have visited the booth of Theatrixx since you mentioned the rackmount converters. Can you see on your moderation page if my comment has been flagged?

There is a powerful audio mixer in the ATEM Mini Extreme but it is very limited in audio routing. Being able to implement a mix-minus in it would be great - I'd actually use it then rather than having to do most of my audio work externally and then sending it through a mini-jack.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

why use mini jack? get a audio to sdi converter.

A videohub with hdmi combined with your modular sdi-hdmi converter idea would be a good thing

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

not realy. hdmi port are realy fragile, the thing whould break realy fast.

@BoguschMedia

Жыл бұрын

@@juri14111996 i‘m not a Fan of hdmi too. But some times you need 4 hdmi here and there in the midrange AV space.

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

The option would always be nice!

I would like to see a 12x12 HDMI Videohub.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

why use hdmi? this whould only add problem to your setup. it whould not even be possible to controll a cam over such a hdmi video hub, unless it gets realy expensive. Just use reliable sdi.

@samuelnordvik3495

Жыл бұрын

@@juri14111996 Sdi is great if you have that workflow, but if you have a hdmi only set up, a hdmi router would really make sense in a desk setup like this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dHyi08qelNawdrw.html

I agree with everything BUT the BMD PTZ camera. This is a use case for it, especially in an ATEM echo system, however I think BMD would botch the implementation. BMD seems to do very well with focused equipment while a PTZ camera has quite a bit of functionality that needs to work together to be a good option compared to other PTZ cameras on the market. Without NDI a PTZ camera loses a lot of functionality and BMD hasn't shown any desire to license NDI. A multi converter option would be high on my list of things to have. Very high. Probably tops on my list right now. 1U or 2U rackmount please.

@juri14111996

Жыл бұрын

ndi is only ok for non realtime stuff. the latency is just to much for inhouse realtime video. they better use the smpt ip-video standart.

tbh i feel like this video is made for an inexperienced by a person who has never ventured out of the tiny bmd prosumer ecosphere

@heretorecord

Жыл бұрын

tbh you are mostly right. Many of us were able to get into this field because of cost of BMD equipment, so this is very much a video pointed at them to keep making things that exist in the industry, but aligned with their pricing.

@benchxwychua443

Жыл бұрын

@@heretorecord broadcast engineering is very cost based. if you want good performance and more efficient workflows, you have to pay more. a lot of this also comes down to not looking in the right places. if you want a cheap adapter array interface like openGear (the standard), AJA makes one of the cheapest ones. just becasue blackmagic doesnt make it, doesnt mean it isn't already cost effective.

Yeah you can dream about it, then black magic came smashing by cripple hammering your dreams while shouting you need more dongle$$$$ !.

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