Man it’s so annoying that Hades is always turned into a villain. Just because he’s the god of the underworld doesn’t make him evil. Actually, he’s one of the most reasonable gods. Second to Hestia

@regiman222

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, he's basically the greek god who's the least dickish out of all of them (yeah, hestia probably is the nicest of the pantheon, but Hades is a close 2nd). It's oversimplification and a false equivalence, Underworld=Hell, and Hades=Satan, which are both incorrect.

@kyellverdonschot9922

10 ай бұрын

@@regiman222 I think Hestia outranks him by quite a bit. She hasn’t done anything and even offered up her throne on Olympus for Dionysus. But yeah, Hades being vilified despite Zeus and Hera and everyone else being worse is really dumb

@schwarzerritter5724

10 ай бұрын

Just because you don't like the job someone is doing doesn't mean you shouldn't be thankful it is done.

@kyellverdonschot9922

10 ай бұрын

@@schwarzerritter5724 Thing is, he isn't even the dude who takes souls, that's Thanatos. He doesn't deal out sentences, those are the Judges of the Dead. Hades basically just does administration

@josebencomo2385

10 ай бұрын

I don't think anyone forced Hades to keep his domain a miserable place for those sent there. You didn't even have to be bad to be sent there, it was the default fate for non-heroic souls. He wasn't actively bad but it always sounded like he was uncaring about the souls and how they toiled in darkness and misery.

What they did to Kronos might possibly be the worst thing The Justice League has ever done.

@michaelandreipalon359

10 ай бұрын

Ultimately necessary still.

@drake713

10 ай бұрын

Any time people bring up that Batman doesn't kill, he just beat the everliving crap out of people I like to tell them he does terrible things in many universes and alternative earths

@Nyghtking

10 ай бұрын

I mean, they had no idea thats how the start of things went down did they? So they didn't intentionally lock him in a hell loop.

@realjoemavro

10 ай бұрын

I doubt they're cruel enough to leave both him and his wife trapped in that moment for eternity.

@AliG6252010

10 ай бұрын

Ignoring the hell loop, you gotta feel bad for the guy he kinda had a point

There’s what happened to Bane. Basically all his years of venom usage caught up to him, and now he’s just a shell.

@user-es9gz8kx3f

10 ай бұрын

Honestly this was one of the creepiest moments in the DCAU, along with those nightmares in the Dr Destiny episode.

@thomasfoster1181

10 ай бұрын

At least he will die soon

@can-i-go-now

10 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

10 ай бұрын

A shame he didn't break batman's spine like in the comics, so when he sees tge new batman, he says Years ago i broke you now it is i who is broken

@briansilva3344

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, Batman Beyond gets pretty morbid.

R.I.P Kevin Conroy's Batman 🦇😭🤧 (1955-2022)

@christianparrish3292

10 ай бұрын

Amen

@brandonscott5544

10 ай бұрын

UNFORTUNATELY.

@LoganLacerte-dx1bu

10 ай бұрын

🫡

@darkshadowx9543

10 ай бұрын

Rest in peace 😞😔

@8thgod769

10 ай бұрын

1955!??? BRO WUDM 1955

Kronos is such a sad tale man. Bro was definitely an evil Nut Bar villain, but lets not ignore the fact that he was out here defying the very laws of Creation itself with a Time Travel Suit that he created. And doing what most people dream of being able to. And his girl still found reasons to be uspet.

@rodrickrichard9121

10 ай бұрын

You Suprised!?😊

@bethelsheunesumasukume352

10 ай бұрын

One of the ways you could describe a toxic relationship.

@zexalcommander7036

10 ай бұрын

I thought it was revealed that Kronos’ girl was actually his mother. So it was his mother basically abusing him

@allforone3427

10 ай бұрын

@@zexalcommander7036 No that was his wife. I think you're misremembering when they mentioned his Mother-in-law, which would be his wife's mother and not his.

@LunaP1

10 ай бұрын

I'm in agreement. He cracked under pressure from her and it seems like she just kept raising bar.

Kronos' time loop isn't so bad when you realize his memories are also reset. He experienced verbal abuse for all eternity, but for him it will always be a couple of seconds.

@daviddow3705

9 ай бұрын

That literally makes just makes it even worse, LMAO.

@redjirachi1

8 ай бұрын

@@daviddow3705 I mean, from his perspective he basically dies when the loop resets

@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit

8 ай бұрын

@@daviddow3705No it doesn't. Ignorace is bliss.

This made me think of Ian Peek from Batman Beyond. This man is going to either fall for the rest of forever, fall until he gets lost in space, or be trapped in the center of the earth until he dies of malnutrition. If he can even die at all. And his screams has he's falling are genuinely horrifying.

@carlthelongshoreman1979

10 ай бұрын

i forgot about him. dude his is fucked up

@AifDaimon

10 ай бұрын

Nah.. All supervillians are basically less than human, so their suffering (whatever form it takes) is warranted & justified

@HelheimMudkip

10 ай бұрын

Yes! Batman Beyond had a lot of messed up fates/deaths: Bane, Peak, Mr Freeze, I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

@Nyghtking

10 ай бұрын

He'll fall until he hits the center, gravity is still acting on him, so once he hits the exactly center he'll just float there, but it's likely he'll have died long before that as he still may be effected by heat, if thats the case he'll burn alive once he falls deep enough.

@jon471000

10 ай бұрын

Kronos is eventually just gonna off his wife over and over

Ah Freeze. He died as he lived. Broken and alone with Batman trying to save him.

@16ktsgamma

10 ай бұрын

Not just Batman, but Teenage Batman.

@johndepiro8178

10 ай бұрын

You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become a hero. He gave his life trying to stop a Supervillain and saved Gotham. He lived long enough. ❄️💙❄️

@sparks6099

10 ай бұрын

But he actually does not die...

@WhiteJeezus

10 ай бұрын

Cold?

Despite being trapped in an infinite timeloop or being personally tortured by Hades himself, I think and agree that Mr. Freeze's freezing immortality is by far the worst for me. Think about it: never being able to experience warmth, the sun beaming on your flesh, being able to experience the ocean currents on your feet, being unable to eat normal food, basically anything that you need to survive. Mr. Freeze can not do none of that nor can he experience anything like that; he literally is not only trapped in a frozen state where cold is the only paradise for him but he cannot even experience the fundamentals of being human anymore.

@necfreon6259

10 ай бұрын

That doesn’t sound entirely dissimilar to metalos fate of course the means couldn’t be more different but the results are very much alike not being able to taste feel anything even the pleasure of a kiss they can’t do any of that

@Orsonfoe

10 ай бұрын

I think the only thing that slitly rival that is the Mr walker guy from the animated series. he has freeze do the same thing to him so he can be imortal and have his dream of utopia comes true by destroying the world. freeze is convinced by batman to stop him and freezes walker to the wall. at the end of the episode we see walking sticking with his dream city silently screaming. so we got a dude suffering worse then mister freeze cause he in at the bottom of the ocean surrender by his destroyed lives work unable to die.

@RicardoSantos-oz3uj

10 ай бұрын

At least Mr Fries had an ending. Kronos on the other hand had it worse. Relieving a Karen treating him badly over and over and over for all eternity. That has to be the worse thing Batman has ever done to anyone.

@mr.krabs1009

10 ай бұрын

He can’t even feel the warmth of his wife’s embrace if he ever managed to make her come back and where she loves him still, but then again I think that’s how he’d want to go out

Solomon Grundy's existence is also pretty tragic, he kinda fits in the same boat as Bizarro. Especially since the animated rendition of his character in Justice League Unlimited seems more sympathetic.

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

10 ай бұрын

Missed chance was not having Solomon grundy and bizarro becoming friends

@tureytayno3154

9 ай бұрын

In Grundy's case Hawkgirl decided to end his life.

I doubt morgana could turn her son back even if she wanted too. My reasoning being that when her son freed himself from her spell he used magic far stronger than his mothers. So even if she tried to fix it her magic would just be nullified by the superior magics at work.

@darthkurland

10 ай бұрын

I can’t help feeling sorry for them, despite what Mordred did to everyone , including himself.

@insertname9736

9 ай бұрын

Since she is immortal, maybe she can continue to study magic and get more powerful and eventually make him a kid again. Or maybe she can contact Doctor Fate for help. I think he will help her, despite her being a villain and all.😅

I agree with every pick but the first one , kronos's fate is awful but one thing that makes it slightly less bad is that he doesn't realise or is aware of the fact that he is in a time loop. Everytime the loop resets , so does his memory. He does live that same moment of misery for the rest of eternity but to him he only lives that moment once before forgetting it and then relieving it. I believe that sneak peak from batman beyond deserved a mention. He would sink to the center of the earth , where he would either burn up or die of thirst or hunger. That is assuming that heat , hunger and thirst even affect him any more. As far as we know he could stay in the center of the earth for the rest of time , fully alive and concious. The mere implications of his defeat deserved him a mention. Also , blight could have been given a mention as in the follow up comics to batman beyond , it is revealed that his radiation is terminal and is basicaly turning him into an atom bomb. In the end he gets buried alive and he is turned to nothing. He kind of deserved it but still a pretty horrible fate.

@RyomenAyeni225

10 ай бұрын

i disagree just because he doesn't know hes suffering makes it worse because he doesn't know whats causing it his mind resets, he gets abused, his mind resets, he gets abused and he has no idea why or how its happening thats terrible

@MrAnim8orVideos

10 ай бұрын

@@RyomenAyeni225 True, it's still horrible. But imagine how much worse it would be if he remembered every moment of that horrible loop and also knew without a doubt that there is no way he can break free or even end his suffering. for all of eternity. Also, side note....isn't Batman also condemning his wife to repeat that same moment as well? I mean yeah she seems like a grade A piece of work, but still.....

@RyomenAyeni225

10 ай бұрын

@@MrAnim8orVideos I think not knowing is worse than knowing because if you know you might even accept your fate but without knowing.. yeah that’s scary because it was probably the worst thing that happened to him getting abused by someone you love is sad and repeating that pain without knowing is twisted And Batman basically gave the wife the job of torturing him so no he didn’t condemn her

@MrAnim8orVideos

10 ай бұрын

@@RyomenAyeni225 IMO thats still condemning her. Its taking away everything else she would ever do in her life and replacing it with an ugly moment of rage against her husband. Awful for both of them.

@RyomenAyeni225

10 ай бұрын

@@MrAnim8orVideos it’s not as if she didn’t enjoy tormenting him it’s worse off on the guy that is being abused

Hellraiser 101: death is often a mercy.

Static Shock gave us two Fates Worse Than Death that I can think of off-hand: Madelyn Spaulding, and "Heavyman" Koenig. Madelyn Spaulding: a top student attending the same high school as Virgil, Madelyn was exposed to the same gas that gave the other Bang Babies their powers while trying to help a homeless man (Patches, another villain from the show) the night of the Big Bang. During a stressful student council election, Madelyn finally unlocks her telepathic ability to control other people's minds and goes a bit mad with power. She's defeated when Static fries her brain with his electricity (as in, grabs her head and shocks the crap out of her) and causes some brain damage; not only does she forget that she learned that Static is Virgil, but she also reverts to a childlike mental state while losing her ability to actually use her telepathy. She returns in another episode that reveals that her powers have changed from telepathy to telekinesis (meaning that some of the damage done to her brain was permanent), and Static cooks her brain *again* to beat her. It's implied that the second time did even more severe damage, and it's made worse since Madelyn was a decent (if a bit stuck-up and high-handed) person when compared to a fair chunk of Static's rogues gallery. "Heavyman" Koenig: a scientist trying to recreate the process that created She-Bang, Heavyman had the ability to absorb mass that he came in contact with. Unfortunately, he can neither control when his powers activate nor divest himself of any mass he's absorbed, leading to his body becoming super-dense; when he appears on the show he's already heavy enough to crack any surface he steps on, and his body is so dense that his chest muscles are barely strong enough for him to breathe. He kidnaps She-Bang's parents to force them to find a cure for his unstable mutation, but his overdensity makes it impossible for his body to absorb the gas that should fix his powers. He's too dense to move at the end of the episode, and is last seen being taken away on a flatbed trailer because nothing else will be able to transport him.

There’s a few others with unpleasant fates. Bane, after decades of using Venom, became the cautionary tale for drug abuse when we see his withered body. Blight eventually was driven mad by the radiation, then exposed by his own son(et tu, Bruté) until finally disappearing at sea. Ian Peek used stolen tech to walk through walls until he couldn’t hold it together anymore and fell through the floor. It doesn’t explicitly show him dying, but after a few days without food or water, that will eventually happen. So he’d have to wait for death, surrounded by the stuff of Hell itself. Clayface’s death is never shown, but he gradually struggles to maintain his body form. And then there’s Inque, who also suffers degradation and the guy who helped her, he got part of her ability but not enough to do anything so he’s stuck listening to some woman tell him all her problems. Powers and abilities gone wrong does seem to come up a lot.

To be fair, I doubt Batman would make the entire timeline they come from suffer just because of Kronos’ mistake. So I feel like the looping of time is concentrated to that one area, meaning that Kronos is going to suffer for a long time, but eventually someone’s going to have to wonder why neither of them have been showing up to work, paying the bills, or leaving their house in general. So someone’s gonna have to break the loop eventually. And win the two swear that only 10 seconds has passed people are going to think the couple are crazy and most likely take away his super suit. Of course, this is all a theory, but it feels like something that would logically happen eventually

@CopShowGuy

10 ай бұрын

It's weird when you start thinking about it. Kronos basically doesn't exist outside of that moment of time. He's effectively dead beyond the point where he uses his belt. Reliving the same moment over and over while the rest of the world moves on. Same for his wife, I suppose.

@TheMaskGamer2007

10 ай бұрын

Comicfan1324 didn't batman put a virus that would only make it so he could only return in that specific spot in time, so if someone were to break the loop, and then later on when kronos uses the belt again wouldn't he just return to his wife yelling at him, so then loop won't ever actually be broken, right?

@CopShowGuy

10 ай бұрын

@@TheMaskGamer2007 Any time he uses the belt, he gets sent back to that point in time. He's stuck in a moment when he absolutely wants to use the belt with no time for anyone to intervene.

@TheMaskGamer2007

10 ай бұрын

@CopShowGuy oh, ok, thanks for explaining it.

@slyfox7452

10 ай бұрын

It going to end up as a giant time loop where someone tries to help them gets caught in the loop and so on until the world ends

When Bizarro shows up in JLU, he has a scar on his head. The writers said that Luthor performed surgery on Bizarro's brain to make him easier to control.

@michaelandreipalon359

10 ай бұрын

Shame it happens offscreen, and even then, it really undid Bizarro's nice guy arc in S: TAS.

@TheHeston83

10 ай бұрын

Yep thats on cue for Lex

@balanc-joy9187

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelandreipalon359 On TV Tropes, I saw an interesting bit of speculation on Luthor's own change. It's revealed later on that for a _very_ long time, Luthor had Brainiac inside him, manipulating his biology and steering his mind subconsciously to try and make himself a new body...what if the nice guy change _was_ genuine, but Brainiac kicked in his God Complex and other villainous traits again? As for Bizarro, it is very tragic what happened to him.

@michaelandreipalon359

10 ай бұрын

@@balanc-joy9187 I was referring to Bizarro, not Luthor.

@balanc-joy9187

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh, apologies. I missed the part where you said that. Yes, it is a shame, since he really did get better. So tragic that other more genuine villains took that away from him...by _force_ no less.

Cannot imagine what Freeze must have felt during his 50-year confinement, being just a concious head completely unable to do literaly anything

@VidGamer123

10 ай бұрын

They could have at least put a TV in there.

@TylerInTraining

10 ай бұрын

"After some time, he simply ceased thinking."

@youcantleavethisempty8872

4 ай бұрын

Seriously, he would have long ago become a drooling vegetable. When they transferred his mind into a new body, he wouldn't be marveling over the feeling of cold like he did in the show. He'd be marveling at being able to just move again.

"I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine." It took 50 years, but the wait of Nora's warm hand finally ended

I would also put Inque's assistant from Batman Beyond on here; he was given a partial dose of whatever was used to create her, and was promised an antidote that was never delivered. Now he's stuck in a modified jail cell as a near-formless mass, listening to a woman (presumably his nurse) with no skills in "reading the room" prattle on incessantly.

Solomon Grundy getting brought back again only as a mindless killing machine, only to have to be put down by Hawkgirl was definitely sad. I can only imagine what Grundy felt during that rampage

Kronos has it really bad. Having to deal with a Karen for eternity is much worse than death

In other words, in the words of Dark Raiden in Mortal Kombat X and Mortal Kombat 11, "There are fates worse than death".

@darthkurland

10 ай бұрын

But in this universe, what could be worse than death?

@darthkurland

10 ай бұрын

One thing I can think of that could be worse would be eternal imprisonment in the Phantom Zone. It was described as “an eternal living death” by several who knew what it was capable of. And interestingly, it was Superman’s genetic father, Jor-El, who discovered it.

One villain I think definitely deserves a spot on the list is Dr Destiny from the JL episode "Only a Dream". In the climax of that episode, he fights Batman, trying to inject him with a syringe filled with a serum to make him fall asleep. But, Batman is a skilled martial artist and fights back. In the end, Dr Destiny ends up injecting himself with the serum, putting himself in a catatonic state for the rest of his life.

@christianwelch4206

10 ай бұрын

He only remained catatonic until Justice League Unlimited, where he made several cameo appearances as a member of the Secret Society of Super Villains. Might as well have left him that way, though. I don't recall him doing anything significant in Unlimited, unless getting blown up by Darkseid counts. I don't think anyone even acknowledges his presence.

@natek4488

10 ай бұрын

​@@christianwelch4206What about what happened to Bane in Batman Beyond.

@Spongebrain97

10 ай бұрын

I really like the vibes of that episode. Both sleepy and on edge

@raulcerna1093

10 ай бұрын

​@@natek4488That's his own doing .Bane put himself in that state ,because aparently using a drug that makes your muscles grow in a hideous manner for all your life is bad for your health .

@RicardoSantos-oz3uj

10 ай бұрын

Depending on the dream that could be a better fate than anyone.

Kronos should have used that power to tell his younger self to avoid marrying that horrible woman. Anyone intelligent enough to create a device to time travel deserved better than that Karen.

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

10 ай бұрын

He could have used that power to tell his younger self where hidden treasures are located

@foxymetroid

9 ай бұрын

​@@EternalEmperorofZakuulIt wouldn't be enough for her. He'd be better off a happy bachelor than stuck with an abuser.

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

9 ай бұрын

@@foxymetroid and that too Hey younger me! Dont marry her! Marry this woman because she's the child or grandchild of this rich and wealthy individual in the city

Honestly for me the best moment of all time in DCAU was when Lex Luthor says to Amazo "For all my struggles to make my mark in life, for all of I've accomplished....in just a few short generations my name will be forgotten. Even the greatest of us can't compete with time....and death." I relate to that. I know that death is natural part of life....but it's scary, because you don't know if you will be remembered and what's after that. And hearing this coming from Lex Luthor.....it feels strangely comforting 😥. And yeah Mr Freeze is the saddest example for me.

@keithtorgersen9664

9 ай бұрын

Yes, this is one of the extremely rare times where Lex is forced to be transparent by the circumstances.

Video Idea: Joker's most Human moments. There aren't a lot, but they are there.

Yeah, seeing her son all aged up like that, I felt really bad for him.

@justasentientmclarenp1879

10 ай бұрын

Yeah the mother was the real villain he deserved better

@TheMaskGamer2007

10 ай бұрын

@justasentientmclarenp1879 I agree with both of you. He was a boy who was led down the wrong path for many years.

@darthkurland

10 ай бұрын

It’s hard not to feel bad for him.

@petersimpson4648

10 ай бұрын

It may not be canon, but Morgana is able to restore Mordred's eternal youth in an issue of "Justice League Adventures."

@trentonalbers3981

9 ай бұрын

I completely agree.

"Believe Me. You are the only one who cares" To this day, only three supervillains have made me cry like a baby with their deaths. The first one was Red Skull in "Captain America 300". The second one was Moloch in J. Michael Straczynski's miniseries of the same name. I don't think it's necessary to say who the third one is...

@kyleellis1825

10 ай бұрын

Of course not, we all know it was when Frost exploded in Blade :P

@WhiteJeezus

10 ай бұрын

Ace?

@AColonDashSix

9 ай бұрын

Makes me think of the funeral scene in Watchmen where it's mentioned that heros and villains know each other better than most ordinary people did.

This video kinda deserves a 2nd part, cuz it’s really interesting

I can't remember the source of this, but it was rumored that there was going to be an extended scene after the end of JLU where Lex Luthor and Darkseid are inside of the Source Wall (after Lex gives Darkseid the Anti Life Equation), screaming in agony. Idk about yall but if this is true and it made it, it would've been easily #1 worst fate in the DCAU.

@Bingo_the_Pug

10 ай бұрын

I think it was said that what’s beyond the Source Wall is us, the readers/watchers. So when Lex breaches it he learns that he’s nothing more than a made-up character in a story, it drives him insane

@darthkurland

10 ай бұрын

@@Bingo_the_Pugthat’s one way to break the fourth wall.

6:10 don’t forget that one rich dude from btas who made himself like mr freeze and made himself mr freeze suit and sink to the bottom of the Gotham ocean

I know this isn’t DC related but I remember playing Mortal Kombat X and the ending of the story of Raiden throwing the decapitated head of the Elder God Shinnok on the floor of Lui Kang and Kitana’ throne room and proclaimed that their are worse fates than death. The one thing that shocked me the most about this scene is that Shinnok is immortal and his decapitated head was still alive but couldn’t speak essentially making him a vegetable for the rest of eternity

@shadowwolf9823

10 ай бұрын

He's in the Injustice 2 game, so I'd say it counts

I think those heroes cooked up by Cadamus had bad fates. Yes, they died but the ones we saw died knowing they were just artificial people and there was another batch of them on the way. To die knowing your life was meaningless is pretty bad.

@raulcerna1093

10 ай бұрын

Another thing is that they were hyped up ,they were famous and told that they will become one of the greatest hero teams only to later discover that they will die and are easy to replace . Oh and Cadmus also implanted fake memories in them .

@tureytayno3154

9 ай бұрын

I think Galatea change her ways in the end. And became Powergirl.

@raulcerna1093

9 ай бұрын

@@tureytayno3154 I don't think so .The last time we saw her in the show she was fried by Supergirl with those wires .

I think Freeze shouldn't have appeared again after the Sub-Zero movie. That movie was a pretty satisfactory conclusion to the character's arc, as Victor could have lived happily ever after in the North Pole after Nora's reviving. TNBA just screwed up everything

@michaelandreipalon359

10 ай бұрын

Bruce Timm really had some weird ideas on how his arc should have followed up on.

@josebencomo2385

10 ай бұрын

Funny thing is, if they wanted to use a guy in armor with a freeze ray they could have used the Walt Disney fellow from 'Deep Freeze'. They already had an unsympathetic bad man with the same powers they could bring in without ruining Victor's arc.

@michaelandreipalon359

10 ай бұрын

@@josebencomo2385 Grant Walker, you mean. Anyways, it's implied that the poor guy and his iceberg were never retrieved by the authorities... fridge horror abounds there. 'Course, there's the Batman Adventures tie-in comics, which muddy things up.

I would add Vandal Savage to that list. An episode of Justice League sees Superman seemingly killed but he was instead transported into the future. The only person left Is Savage. He was alone for thousands of years after successfully defeating the Justice League and destroying the world. The loneliness drove him insane to a degree, but also helped him find his humanity. I find that to be kind of tragic.

@keithtorgersen9664

9 ай бұрын

I was thinking of him as well. The only things he has for neighbors are the giant flesh eating insects and the wolf like creatures.

@youcantleavethisempty8872

4 ай бұрын

But he had already lived for thousands of years, so the 10,000 years he spent alone wouldn't have felt as long. Plus he kept himself busy the whole time and became a better person, so it wasn't like he was suffering horribly.

About DCAU fates worse from death. For me, most of the examples are the villains from Superman TAS : Metallo, why? Imagine your brain being transferred into the terminator-like body. Firstly you feel strong, powerful......but then you realise......you can't feel anything. You can't feel air, you don't sense the smell of anything, you don't feel like you have a full control of your body. Not to mention moving your brain from normal flesh and bones to robotic body just feels...wrong. Livewire, why? Imagine being a normal person, then being electrified by a lighting, which is already painful enough, but then you discover that you're a pure enegry, and you can't touch anyone or anything without sucking the energy out of it, or overloading it, or killing someone. Parasite, why? Imagine, again, you're a normal person and then experimental chemicals pour over you and you transfrom into a purple monster. Again you can't touch anyone without taking their life-energy and potentially kill them and you being rejected by the people because you look like that.... Of course these examples are scary if you're a good person and not the evil one. Man I feel Superman's villains are even more messed up then Batman's.

@rayshawnwilliams5673

10 ай бұрын

let's not make this a contest

@TheHeston83

10 ай бұрын

yeah Mental Health is a serious lets not make it contest I think Raven from Titans as well Jean Grey/Phoenix/Dark Phoenix from Marvel are good examples of Mental Health Heroes because they have to deal with psychosis of there mental God Like powers just saying it isnt a contest.

@rayshawnwilliams5673

10 ай бұрын

@@TheHeston83 right

The surviving SS members got off super lucky with that 5 minute head start.

Another villain with a tragic fate is Two Face. In the final episode of "The New Batman Adventures", Two Faces sick mind created a third personality, "The Judge", who acted as Gothams lethal vigilante. Batman managed to stop him and send him to Arkham Asylum, with his Two Face and Judge personalities constantly clashing with each other.

@omarcogle1965

9 ай бұрын

I think Dr. Cuvier in Batman Beyond got it worse, after Batman injected him with all the animal DNA he stole, he became a mass looking monster, similar to what happened with Tetsuo in Akira.

R.I.P Kevin Conroy as Batman/The Dark Knight of Gotham City💔🕊 🦇👨

The thing is. Cronos doesn’t know he’s in a time loop. It doesn’t get worse. It’s just the first time he’s hearing it every time.

@TylerInTraining

10 ай бұрын

That's better than getting Diavolo'd. Pretty sure that's one of the worst fates put to fiction. Even the likes of Sisyphus or Prometheus at least have some kind of brief moments in time where they're not immediately suffering.

@daviddow3705

9 ай бұрын

That just makes it even worse.

The true villain wasn't Kronos. It was his verbally abusive wife. She pushed him to distrupt the timeline by making them (or more accurately her) rich and powerful

@erickpoorbaugh6728

8 ай бұрын

And unfortunately, she’d probably enjoy the time loop, as angrily berating people is fun for people like her.

I love your content needlemouse you have helped me through a lot belive it or not so thanks

@NeedleMouseProductions

10 ай бұрын

glad I could help Mate

Why does the spell cast by her son only left a world of children instead of a world of children and teenagers.

@erubianwarlord8208

10 ай бұрын

morgan likely based the spell on his own frozen age removing anybody older then him

@theonechillbeing9317

10 ай бұрын

@@erubianwarlord8208 thanks for your answer. Your answer would explain why we don't see teenagers after Morgan cast a spell.

The worst fate in the dc universe is becoming a victim of pyg tho and mr freeze i still remenber that heart of ice episode it made me wish that batman would lose vs him

12:37 with enough popularity the writer will pull the Bull suit were oh after being in this time loop so many times he became aware hes trap an excape

Clayface was pretty tragic what happened to him. Although he was my favorite batman villain

@firesnakex8

10 ай бұрын

What happened to him?

@TheMaskGamer2007

10 ай бұрын

@firesnakex8 I remember he was turned into clay and couldn't find a cure. Then, in Justice League, he was locked up on an island and, I think, experimented on. (Idk if he was experimented on)

@keithtorgersen9664

9 ай бұрын

His second appearance in B:TAS had a tragic ending. He was desperate to find a cure and when Batman showed up, of course he began fighting him. Unfortunately for Clayface it was raining outside and so he started to decompose. In his final struggle with Batman he felt over a cliff but bad news for him, it was overlooking an ocean. Batman did try to reach out his hand, but the clay was too slick and he fell into the sea and was presumed to completely disintegrated and dead. It was considered tragic at the time because even while Batman tried to help Clayface, he kind of looked at him sadly and “Curtains…going…down (he had been a stage actor)”. And then fell. For all we knew he was dead for good. But then the new Batman adventures kind of ruined it by bringing him and making him a petty thug and evil. The show did explain how he survived but it was still kind of cheap.

We’re all forgetting one of the cruelest fates in the franchise, Tim Drake getting turned into the Joker.

i wonder how Shazam would work with morgan la fay's spell, would he be fine as billy batson but get transported as shazam or would he stay as shazam?

@melissa6912

10 ай бұрын

The Young Justice animated series showed a similar scenario with Klarion casting a spell separating adults and children all around the world in two alternate dimensions. In this episode, Shazam is able to go from one dimension to another by switching from his kid form to his adult form which helps the Justice League and the Young Justice team work together to neutralize Klarion and his allies. So, I think it would work the same with the spell of Morgana's son.

@RicardoSantos-oz3uj

10 ай бұрын

Captain Marvel (the hero's name) should probably ask Shazam (the wizards name).

@Skullhawk13

10 ай бұрын

@@RicardoSantos-oz3ujShazam is the name of both now BB, They retired Captain Marvel name

@Shiirow

10 ай бұрын

@@Skullhawk13 more like a lawsuit forced them to retire the name, but he will always be Captain Marvel, since he more of a hero than the MCU iteration.

@Skullhawk13

10 ай бұрын

@@Shiirow Um it wasn't legal action. They had co-ownership of the name. They could've easily kept going, they just decided that everyone called him Shazman anyway, and it was the name of the title anyway. Like why are you talking with authority when you're so blatantly wrong?

Do a video of the five least known characters in the Marvel and DC universe, who had a happy ending

Would Ace count as a Supervillain in the DCAU since she created the Royal Flush Gang and caused the world to go mad thanks to the Joker? Because if so, getting your childhood taken away from you and dying from an aneurysm is the worst way to go in my opinion

Freeze is my favorite but Kronos is extremely brutal no wonder it's the last one in the video

Death Has Always Been A Risk For Others To Take.

Huh so this version of Hades is litterally just the devil rather than the well adjusted goth guy he mostly is in the actual mythology

@erubianwarlord8208

10 ай бұрын

that depiction came out in the same time period of Christian wallpapering of other mythologies as Disney's Hercules

I don't know if it's the worst, but I always think back on Grodd. Just the realization that a subordinate who was planning your demise got sick of waiting, shot you non-fatally and then put you in an airlock so he can insult you to your face one last time before casting you into the cold abyss of space while you make impotent threats.

Hades gets such a bad wrap in media. He's such a good god.

@RedCommunistDragon

10 ай бұрын

Him and Hestia are the only good gods in Greek Mythology.

@michaelandreipalon359

10 ай бұрын

Good thing fiction like the Hades video game exist.

Surprised you didn’t go with that rich guy trying to use Freeze to make himself immortal. The ending implies he’s stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a prison of ice.

@josebencomo2385

10 ай бұрын

The tie in comics have him returning, but not canon.

@LadyDragoncat

9 ай бұрын

Yes. His screaming is scaring all the fish.

Hell I’d rather die than being stuck as a vegetable or being forevered imprisoned since I wouldn’t be able to “live” but just exist.

Man, Powers/Blight's death was EXTREMELY PAINFUL(Even to him) Spending Years contained in a suit With inanission & THEN he gets slowly Desintegrated after it breaks _AS I SAID, EVEN FOR A MONSTER LIKE POWERS, THAT WAS EXTREME_

Do which cartoon network characters would fit the lantern corps.

I read that originally in the Batman Beyond episode that featured Freeze. At the end, Terry goes to the fridge to get a cold drink, and inside is Freeze’s severed head tis still alive. This was considered to be in poor taste and dropped.

I always felt sorry for Mr Freeze. All he wanted was for his wife Nora to be well. Felt bad about Solomon Grundy after watching the Justice League Unlimited series

@TylerInTraining

10 ай бұрын

I like his ending in the Arkhamverse for that reason. He ultimately gets Nora, although not the way he intended, and sees a reason for his life to end fairly peacefully. It's maybe a bit selfish since he could do a lot of good for humanity, but it's as happy an ending as I could imagine for him.

I can think of some. 1- Sneak Peek "Death" is actually a WORSE than what Bruce said. He wouldn't just fall to the center of Earth. He would get there yes but eventually he would "fall" back again through the world to the other side and then get pull back into an eternal loop. Seeing as how his matter has essential just become atoms he is, to our understanding, immortal. Imagine being stuck forever falling through earth. 2- Melted guy from Static Shock. In episode 1 of the show there is an unnamed Meta Human who immidiately starts to melt, at the end of the episode he is shown to still be alive but he has being reduced to a puddle. Now if we go by series canon, he got cured as well as many others but that assuming he didn't died slowly melting or that his body was able to reform with the cure.

Honestly, I think Metallo should get an honerable mention here: John Corben is a merc for hire that serves a lot of Lex Luthor's schemes faithfully, and then gets infected with a lethal disease. He then has his mind put into a machine that mimics the human anatomy, called "Metallo", but his senses are rapidly diminishing until he cannot recall what a flower smells like, nor the touch of a loved one. He even loses his memory and experiences a sort of amnesiac alter-ego for an episoe when some kids find him in a DC equivalent to Hawaii, and he eventually gets his memories back, threatening Lois Lane in the process which inevitably draws Superman into the mess. He then gets sealed in lava as it cools, trapping him again for an indeterminate amount of time. (I'm not familiar with the JL/JLU episodes where he gets brought in again). Losing your physical senses while still being able to live, and eventually even losing the ability to move or interact with the world has got to be one of the absolute worst fates I can think of.

Now the question is.. do you remember every moment when you get yelled at or do it just reset it all with no memory of it? Cause if you can't remember being yelled at after it once happened, then is it really such an horrible fate? I mean yea You are still technically stuck in time.. but you only experience one thing, with no memory of it happening more then ones. So the only people it would really suffer for it would be people around you that knew you and might miss you because you disappeared from the world. While You are just reliving one moment but only remember it happen once before it reset again.

@Albino_Basilisk

10 ай бұрын

Yea that’s what I was thinking. From our point of view it’s messed up, but from his, nothing out of the ordinary is happening

Well let me first say excellent work on the video today Needlemouse!!!! And secondly I quite agree these are the worse fates then death in DCAU!!! Like the Chronos one oh man that does not sound good at alll!!!! Keep up the great and I can't wait to see what you have next!!!!!

As someone who looks after their 90 year old nan who has her mind problems and pretty sure early parts of dementia I don’t need to imagine loosing your mind And someone who was bullied from year 4 onwards till I left school year 11 I don’t need to imagine being verbally abused for so long ever day felt like the same day over and over only for me when it ended it was shocked I made it through hmm funny thinking about that was like 9 years ago doesn’t time fly

Mr Freeze reminded me of Spider man in comics

I mean, Grundy had it pretty bad once he realized what had happened to him. Murdered, cursed, stripped of his mind and soul, rising as a living dead man, used and abused, and then finally dis only to get brought back as a comlpetely mindless murder machine before having to be put down.

While Ian Peek from Batman Beyond is definitely worthy of spot on the list, the fate of Earthmover deserves an Honorable mention. Tony was an otherwise normal, single-father, working for an industrial company that was just getting off the ground, but because of regulations around toxic waste disposal, the company couldn't afford to get rid of it through the proper channels, and instead sealed the cannisters in abandoned mine shafts. Unfortunately, an accident caused Tony to be trapped inside with the toxic chemicals fusing his flesh to the very earth itself. Over the next ten years his mind would degrade to the point where his love for his daughter, Jackie, became twisted into an obsessive desire to reunite with her, and a drive for vengeance against his ex-partner, Bill, who he falsely believed had intended to kill him.

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

10 ай бұрын

I always thought he was clay face before the reveal

Bullwhip’s fate in Batman Beyond is pretty chilling. Guy thinking he still has leverage over the cybernetics surgeon who’s wife he kidnapped to coerce him in to giving him cyber upgrades. Goes to him and asks for the full body upgrade. Unaware the Doc now knows about his affair with his wife. It ends with Bullwhip lying on the surgery table, saying ‘No holding back’. The Doc holding a drill in his hand takes his instructions to heart.

Very nice video you should make more part of it

In the case of Mr Freeze, it's less that his body was rotting and more that he was suffering from frostbite, I suppose. Speaking of which, in the game Arkham City, I remember Rocksteady did a pretty good job at conveying that he was loosing very small pieces of skin, especially around his ears. In Arkham Knight, with the increased quality and re-design, you can clearly see on his face that he is in a terrible state. It's like the skin on his cheeks and lips is flaking. Also good to mention that in Batman Beyond, he doesn't blow-up Derek Powers' compound just for the heck of it. He does it because they backstabbed him by trying to kill him in order to study what went wrong with the procedure.

I'm disappointed you left off Metallo (though you did show him at the end) and the guy from Batman Beyond with the suit that makes him intangible...whose device breaks and causes him to fall forever. Or the guy from Earthmover, who gets fused with rocks and is just an irradiated skeleton.

After all these years, either I never heard of or have any recollection of "The Zeta Project." Much appreciated.

Thing is, most of Batman's bad guys have really tragic stories. Most of them also cope with tragedy by becoming psychopaths. But like, Oswald Cobblepot (the Penguin) was born with diformities in a family that already has a long history of terrible people (in most version, the Cobblepot family and Wayne family have been at odds for a long time), so he already got a terrible start in life. And you can see how bad it went for him when he tried to redeem himself in one episode of BTAS, but the high-society used him like a funny retarted mascot. Let's not forget Matt Hagen's Clayface, in the realm of tragic, he's right there. Then there's the Extended DCAU. Kirk Langstrom is dealt a terrible hand, there. When you think the second episode featuring his wife Francine transforming into Woman-bat ends well, in the extended DCAU, it's explained that Francine later gets a violent case of Parkinson's disease. Kirk convinces himself that he can cure her by turning her into Woman-bat again, she refuses (because duh), and he gets obsessed with that idea again, to the point where he neglects his wife and kids, basically isn't even there the day she dies, and he turns himself back into Manbat out of grief, but a new version where he keeps his mind. Bit like "Maestro Hulk" in Marvel. The very last episode of BTAS shows how Two-Face's mind breaks down, creating the third personality of the "Judge" to balance Harvey's criminal one. The episode ends with Dent in Arkham repeating "guilty" over and over. In a storyboard for a deleted scene of the movie "Batman Beyond : Return of the Joker", after Joker made his big return in front of the crowd and in front of Bruce, Bruce goes to the ruins of Arkham Asylum, where Joker left him some hanging dummy made to look like his old rotting corpse. Before that, when exploring the ruins, notes indicates that Bruce passes next to what was Harvey's cell. Bruce shivers with the slight implication that Harvey possibly died in Arkham, following the events of 'Judgement Day'. His mind might've been shattered for good after that.

I love your videos man and you one of my favorite KZreads

This was great!

I think Vandal Savage’s existence is pretty horrible. Imagine being an early human, being granted immortality and seeing everything you ever have loved or created turn to dust. You will still be alive when the earth is swallowed by the sun and can do nothing about it

Only the living suffer? What about vampires? They’re dead immortal being that can only come out at night. Seems pretty lonely & sufferable to me.

@RedCommunistDragon

10 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t called most vampires “dead” as they’re just people infected with a horrible disease. There are some vampires that do rise from corpses though.

“Some people live more in 20 years than others do in 80. It’s not the time that matters it’s the person. And I'm old enough to know that a longer life isn't always a better one. In the end, you just get tired. Tired of the struggle, tired of losing everyone that matters to you, tired of watching everything turn to dust. If you live long enough, Lazarus, the only certainty left is that you'll end up alone” -The 10th Doctor A very true and important quote. I could’ve think of outliving and watching the people I love die. I absolutely agree with you about not being afraid of death

Earthmover, Aaron Herbst, Cuvier, Blight, Sneak Peek, Kragger, and Dr Destiny all had some pretty messed up fates ngl

I always thought kronos didn't remember the previous time before. Like the time line reset every time and he would just say what he said and did what he did-not knowing he was in that loop. So is it evil and mean? Yes...but if he realized it it would be much worse

Thus the trope "And I must scream!"

This is a good topic for a video.

Darksied and Lex Luthor's shared fate deserves mentioning.

@josebencomo2385

10 ай бұрын

Maybe they went to a really great place. There's no way of knowing.

@jeffwolcott7815

10 ай бұрын

@@josebencomo2385 The creator of the show confirmed it in his blog.

@AnonEcho98

10 ай бұрын

​@@josebencomo2385Nah, they got lodged into the Source Wall, iirc.

13:40 All I ask is can we get a part two

Faora-Ul, thank you for the wise words. "A good death is it's own reward."

Eternal life stuck as an old man sure sounds maddening

What is your favorite DC comic hero character?

Can’t thank you enough for taking me back to my childhood with this list. What Batman did to Kronos is most definitely a fate worse than death.

The part, for Morgana's son is a lesson to all who wants eternal life... make sure you get eternal youth as well

Needle Mouse's entire list summed up in two words: "Eternal Life"

Morgana's son won't stay ancient forever. She is just punishing him for a time.

Ian Peek that dude just falls through the planet stuck with me throughout Batman Beyond

- Mordred got what's coming for him. Still, he better be turned back to normal during the Batman Beyond timeline. - Well deserved. - You should see how he's treated in the tie-in comics. Even his wife Nora isn't spared from pain. - In my opinion, he unfortunately reverted back after Brainiac destroyed his planet and possibly killed his pet Krypto (as hinted in the Justice League Season 2 premiere "Twilight"). Either way, sad to see his "redemption" be cruelly undone. - Ultimately necessary. The henpecked fool had done a lot of damage during his reign of terror. (Granted, he got better in, hmm, the alternate continuity of the Legacies of the DCAU fan webcomic, but still.) Surprised to not see Grant Walker from B: TAS here (although his fate was rendered moot by the Gotham Adventures comics, though their canonicity is debated), alongside Parasite, who was born a wimp, and died like a wimp in JLU.

I actually do feel bad for Kronos, at the end of the day, he made a terrible decision not even by his own desires but by a wife/girlfriend/partner's and you give in to their request because you love them and wish to be able to do anything that would give them happiness and pleasure. So deciding to step out of your own comforted boundaries and attempt to mess up the timeline of the world extremely badly and are then faced with the hero's there to stop you, must just hit really hard in the face and to think and contemplate if it was all worth it. He could have weighed his options and risk assessment. But he gambled on the wrong side of the quarter. And the consequences for that being a endless time loop of being bashed and having insults and hatred screaming at you 24/7 must drive a man crazy but rightfully deserved after he had a second chance and still blew it. Probably regretting it for the rest of his life. Justice League probably tried to see if they could go back in time to stop him from getting the time travel ability but realized they would extremely alter the timeline of events if they did unfortunately. And so he has no other option. The worst part of it all though? He was a good kind man , using his ability for a fun hobby and enjoying life . He seemed like he really appreciated and cherished the small things in life. He seemed like a good soul. I know the story was written that way but if he had my self esteem , thought more highly and better of himself he probably would of shut her down and none of this would've happened. Thanks for the video Needle Mouse! Been a few a little over 3 years now ! Great content brother keep it easy and positive man. 🙂

You forgot about that one guy who phased to the center of the planet in batman beyond. He lost his sanity in the basement of building right before

I love that the Justice Leagues depiction of Hades is way more accurate than most portrayals 😂

@TheHeston83

10 ай бұрын

Glad the Creators of DCAU payed attention to actual Greek Mythology

I think Mongul being mentally trapped in his greatest fantasy/desire by the Black Mercy plant is a horrible fate as well. He'll be in a catatonic state as long as the plant is on him (maybe forever unless someone gets it off of him or the plant eventually dies or something).