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  • @ruohaoli7503
    @ruohaoli75034 жыл бұрын

    -talking about getting stabbed from behind -showing manfred the backstabber getting backstabbed by the snikch -Balthasar Gelt approves this

  • @Otanyan
    @Otanyan4 жыл бұрын

    It can be particularly dangerous to charge a lord into a crowd head on Proceeds to charge chariot Settra into 3 units of halberdiers and come out of encounter victorious SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE

  • @rianrodrigues8195

    @rianrodrigues8195

    4 жыл бұрын

    SETTRA RULES

  • @piotr7805

    @piotr7805

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also "This is why missle units on walls in sieges can be very powerful" Meanwhile Dark Shards unit on walls is getting obliterated by rattling gunners firing from below

  • @emrysmyridden

    @emrysmyridden

    4 жыл бұрын

    yet plenty of units seem to get served by settra...

  • @randomlygeneratedname

    @randomlygeneratedname

    4 жыл бұрын

    Charoits

  • @PresidentOfSpace

    @PresidentOfSpace

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@piotr7805 Dark shards? more like dark shits.

  • @cloudmcfox2620
    @cloudmcfox26204 жыл бұрын

    12:30 Those 4 elves on the far left are sure professional archers, shooting the tree in front of them with perfect accuracy

  • @jirihaban380

    @jirihaban380

    4 жыл бұрын

    That looks super derp xD

  • @MrMinnimonster

    @MrMinnimonster

    4 жыл бұрын

    Especially WOOD elves. They should really change that for them, so they fire through trees.

  • @IFY0USEEKAY

    @IFY0USEEKAY

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MrMinnimonster Perhaps even from UP in the trees!!!

  • @petruradu7242

    @petruradu7242

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@IFY0USEEKAY ah yess vietnam vibes

  • @uselesscasul3164

    @uselesscasul3164

    4 жыл бұрын

    Peru Perry *recruits hellstorm rocket batteries*

  • @Batmack
    @Batmack4 жыл бұрын

    Questing Knights wouldn't tire so much if they didn't make their horses haul all their crap, but then again, grail knight's horses don't tire because they are used to carry all that stuff

  • @rantymcrant-pants9536

    @rantymcrant-pants9536

    4 жыл бұрын

    and blessed by a goddess.

  • @faithfullukodureg2140
    @faithfullukodureg21404 жыл бұрын

    I've been asking how stalk works on forums for a year now and never got any answers. Thank god for this video!

  • @user-wb7ez9ud4p

    @user-wb7ez9ud4p

    4 жыл бұрын

    most of this information is available right from the game, you just gotta be more observant.

  • @donut_kingdom

    @donut_kingdom

    4 жыл бұрын

    LMAO this has a totally different meaning out of context.

  • @swaggybaum6992

    @swaggybaum6992

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@donut_kingdom lol ur right

  • @TheShubLub

    @TheShubLub

    4 жыл бұрын

    That better be Sigmar you're thanking..

  • @billsoon8456

    @billsoon8456

    3 жыл бұрын

    Stalk is amazing. You have a radius that your unit can't be seen (unless you shoot them of course)... Unless the enemy has a form 9f true sight. I.e "primal instincts" for sairus warriors.

  • @hannibalfloyd
    @hannibalfloyd4 жыл бұрын

    So basically if your unit is exhausted and gets rear-charged from uphill by a previously unseen threat, you're screwed.

  • @jellydamgood

    @jellydamgood

    4 жыл бұрын

    Squad broken intensifies.

  • @brohvakiindova4452

    @brohvakiindova4452

    4 жыл бұрын

    also your skeleton spearmen die really fast if you let them get showered in irondrake flamethrowers, who would've guessed? :o

  • @danielfraiz74

    @danielfraiz74

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@brohvakiindova4452 not only skeleton spearmen, have you ever tried to capture a wall with grave guards if there are ironbreakers near? One volley of the special ammo and your unit literally loses half hp. And they're armored

  • @Speederzzz

    @Speederzzz

    4 жыл бұрын

    *Hammer and anvil intensifies*

  • @Wyattearpp

    @Wyattearpp

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure, at that point, your unit will just automatically explode into a cloud of red mist

  • @gromsword6984
    @gromsword69844 жыл бұрын

    Watching those Woodelves shooting the tree right in front of them making me cry internally.

  • @Orosian5

    @Orosian5

    4 жыл бұрын

    Poor tree.

  • @Zerkovich

    @Zerkovich

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's friendly fire I suppose.

  • @Wristonfire

    @Wristonfire

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also externally. Look how they massacred my boys.

  • @screamingcactus1753

    @screamingcactus1753

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wood Elves should seriously be able to shoot through trees. It's just so weird that two of their most thematic strengths, the bonuses they gain from being in forests and their exceptional ranged infantry, are so counter productive.

  • @Orosian5

    @Orosian5

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Zerkovich Have you explained how Skaven discoverability works in one of your videos yet? That's helpful to understand, and poorly explained in game.

  • @swampybogard9368
    @swampybogard93684 жыл бұрын

    Wow, that predatory senses thing with the Lizardmen is VERY cool. I wish they made things like that more clear ingame.

  • @moseshamlett3887
    @moseshamlett38874 жыл бұрын

    I love charging cavalry into routing units. I had no idea it was that damn powerful, but Ive always done it. Makes sense I guess. Ima keep doing it lol

  • @RinoGato

    @RinoGato

    3 жыл бұрын

    If we look back at older TW titles, it totally makes sense. In some games as soon as a unit routed and you charged cav into them, every model was an insta kill. Same with trying to capture enemies after the battle was already over. And then there was, iirc, Shogun 2 where even routed units could fight back and still get some kills, sometimes even your general. Cheeky bastards.

  • @RinoGato

    @RinoGato

    3 жыл бұрын

    @RubiiX You're right my friend. But it was kind of a bamboozle that, after so many games where you just ran down the routing enemy, they'd finally start fighting back.

  • @deni140492deni
    @deni140492deni4 жыл бұрын

    I'm always taken aback by How cute demigryphs are, such cuddly killing machines.

  • @The_Custos

    @The_Custos

    4 жыл бұрын

    Massive cute war quails.

  • @Nope-en9bo

    @Nope-en9bo

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chocobos except they’re bloodthirsty.

  • @chelsblue7370

    @chelsblue7370

    3 жыл бұрын

    They are simlpy magnificent a real upgrade from the Reiksguards, who themselves aren't bad.

  • @vcount6676
    @vcount66764 жыл бұрын

    i wonder if flying units have a bigger detection range, would make sense

  • @kenny3179

    @kenny3179

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lizardman have really high detection ranges so I can only imagine terradon riders

  • @kenny3179

    @kenny3179

    4 жыл бұрын

    NVM he already talked about lizardman xD

  • @mvb8263

    @mvb8263

    4 жыл бұрын

    they do , i also dont think you are able to get a charge bonus in the sky

  • @bobafat2082

    @bobafat2082

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think they even see through hiding in the forest, p much always the flying units spot me if I try it .

  • @pixelbogpixxelbog2090

    @pixelbogpixxelbog2090

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @TheScandinavien
    @TheScandinavien4 жыл бұрын

    This is amaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!! You are the Spirit of Law for Total War Warhammer 2!

  • @thedeadcannotdie
    @thedeadcannotdie4 жыл бұрын

    You know that melee defence thing might explain why two dragons fighting with their back to each other seem to be exponentially better than one dragon fighting alone, in a crowd

  • @sankhyohalder97
    @sankhyohalder974 жыл бұрын

    I always wondered whether the high ground helped beyond the morale buff, thanks a lot for your videos, they're always concise and informative!

  • @pjadtron9415

    @pjadtron9415

    4 жыл бұрын

    The high ground always matters my young padawan, may the force be with you. ;)

  • @pjadtron9415
    @pjadtron94154 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes the Empire Captain, fine gentlemen and the FINEST OF BEARDS I SAY.

  • @FlyingFox86

    @FlyingFox86

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's going in the book!

  • @Zayl1016

    @Zayl1016

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's some umgi bullshit if I ever heard it.

  • @shadowjezzter

    @shadowjezzter

    4 жыл бұрын

    They may have great beards, but they dont have long beards!

  • @sapiensiski

    @sapiensiski

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FlyingFox86 gEt ThE bOoK nobody cares about your shitty cringy book

  • @naboost9485

    @naboost9485

    4 жыл бұрын

    Half beard half skin it's an abomination

  • @hobbesthehollow
    @hobbesthehollow4 жыл бұрын

    I wonder whether you actually look for these things or just think “hey, I wonder why that happens!” and look into it. Regardless it’s very impressive to find all of this! Edit: Wow those fatigue penalties are harsh!

  • @Spider-Too-Too

    @Spider-Too-Too

    4 жыл бұрын

    many hidden statwere like little myth spread around the community

  • @hobbesthehollow

    @hobbesthehollow

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oooooh interesting!

  • @drafezard7315

    @drafezard7315

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or just search twwstats.com it shows pretty much everything.

  • @shigerufan1

    @shigerufan1

    3 жыл бұрын

    And that's why ladders are pointless in siege, the climbing units get exhausted the moment they reach the top fighting against fresh units on the walls.

  • @robsonclark9678

    @robsonclark9678

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shigerufan1 It should 100% be heavily considered. But I have had good luck with running my low/mid teir front line units up the walls, then have my elite units wait around for the gate fight later nice and fresh. Esp with flying unit support/ranged support can easily take walls :).

  • @asterix71c
    @asterix71c4 жыл бұрын

    No range bonus for missile units on elevated groud? Disappointing.

  • @thestormtrooperwhocanaim496

    @thestormtrooperwhocanaim496

    4 жыл бұрын

    Think there is an accuracy bonus but do not quote me.

  • @dakota3347

    @dakota3347

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496 Is that the only way youre able to aim?

  • @andreasjames1956

    @andreasjames1956

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dakota3347 higher odds of arrows hitting the target from up above

  • @spikertaker

    @spikertaker

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, but units firing uphill need to be closer than their max range to start firing. Also, ARCHERS uphill have more trouble shooting small units (like most heroes and lords on foot) than they would in a leveled ground, especially if they are moving, just because of how arrows and accuracy are programmed.

  • @martenkahr3365

    @martenkahr3365

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also worth noting: archers and especially gun-infantry holding the high ground are far less likely to be obstructed by units in front of them if they're firing from a slope at units below them, compared to shooting on flat ground.

  • @stefanjackson4378
    @stefanjackson43783 жыл бұрын

    I wish the units had special formations. Like if the shield units could go into shieldwall for example and get increased range defence. And or spear men to brace spears to increase defence and damage to charging units. Or archers for rapid fire but have lower accuracy long range. Stuff like that would be absolutely amazing I feel.

  • @taloscal

    @taloscal

    Жыл бұрын

    reminds me of the classic 'yari-wall' from Shogun 2... something which makes the most basic unit in the game somehow one of the most powerful simply by putting their spears in front of them.

  • @Asrahn
    @Asrahn4 жыл бұрын

    Knew of them in spirit, but the exact numbers are actually shocking! Fighting uphill used to be considered "non-ideal", but with this stuff in mind it's just straight up "bad".

  • @danielskipp1
    @danielskipp13 жыл бұрын

    Since fatigue isn't all that bad and having the high ground is supreme I say it IS worth running up a small hill at the start to get that battlewinning position.

  • @jellydamgood
    @jellydamgood4 жыл бұрын

    I always see war doggies outperforming cav when chasing fleeing enemies.

  • @sonicfan12121

    @sonicfan12121

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thats because they exceed most cavalry in quantity and speed. You do shit tons of damage with any unit while chasing, so fast and numerous units like war doggos are optimal

  • @ColonelMetus

    @ColonelMetus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Me 2

  • @JustSome462

    @JustSome462

    4 жыл бұрын

    Their animations play a big role. Cavalry has a tendency to stop briefly when they are attacking a routing unit, doggos keep running because they simply jump on them and keep going

  • @bufan7177

    @bufan7177

    4 жыл бұрын

    Calvary is a large unit that kept knocking down infantry and doggos are infantry and they don’t knock down.

  • @SMT-ks8yp
    @SMT-ks8yp4 жыл бұрын

    16:53 AND THE VAMPIRE KNIGHTS ARRIVED! COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAINSIDE!

  • @clefsan

    @clefsan

    4 жыл бұрын

    AND THE VAMPIRE KNIGHTS ARRIVED! RUNNING DOWN THE VERMINTIDE!

  • @laurentiumiu751
    @laurentiumiu7514 жыл бұрын

    As someone who uses meters, I was quite pleased to hear the usage of those measurements instead of the other imperceptive scales.

  • @madtechnocrat9234

    @madtechnocrat9234

    4 жыл бұрын

    damn donuts per bald eagles

  • @darthplagueis13

    @darthplagueis13

    4 жыл бұрын

    Meters are in fact the unit that is used in the game, probably because CA is a british developer company.

  • @georgemorley1029

    @georgemorley1029

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think what you mean is “I don’t like the Imperial system”, which is an odd point to be making, seeing as the game doesn’t use it and I’ve never come across anyone using it in relation to the game either. Also, “imperceptive” doesn’t mean what you think it means and is meaningless in this context.

  • @franekpyryt3044

    @franekpyryt3044

    4 жыл бұрын

    True

  • @drafezard7315

    @drafezard7315

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Darthplagueis13 CA Being a British company makes it more surprising considering the UK and US are the only ones who use the Imperial system. (and the Warhammer tabletop uses the imperial system).

  • @Xenotric
    @Xenotric4 жыл бұрын

    nice, did not know about the chase bonus, definitely makes having a cheap fast unit around to chase down things way more appealing

  • @delboythethird1200

    @delboythethird1200

    3 жыл бұрын

    The only thing warhounds are good for. Largely useless in the actual battle, but they are very fast and excellent pursuers

  • @ddenozor

    @ddenozor

    3 жыл бұрын

    it was very apparent to me with Elyrian Reavers on my first ever TW:WH2 playtrough.

  • @jamesneese7663
    @jamesneese76633 жыл бұрын

    "not a lot but it will matter when you have a lot of trees suddenly appearing, about to smash your skull off" *Saurman and uruk-hai nod in agreement*

  • @Zayl1016
    @Zayl10164 жыл бұрын

    I think I only knew about the fatigue. A lot of interesting and good to know stuff! I thought strider was absolutely a fluff skill letting you move a bit faster, but it does more than that and that's really cool.

  • @Shoggunik
    @Shoggunik3 жыл бұрын

    I always wondered why attacking from behind is so important. If unit has v.high leadership (see U dwarfes) or is unbreakable it doesn't make much difference. Now with the information about MD penalty it makes a lot of sense. Same with routing units. This game is so much deeper then it looks like at the first sight. I love it.

  • @robgraham5697
    @robgraham56974 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this. Just started playing this game recently and stuff like this is so helpful.

  • @nicknguyen6016
    @nicknguyen60164 жыл бұрын

    This video is so useful. I did not know in details any of them here. Thank you so much and keep it up.

  • @davidlawson7569
    @davidlawson75694 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for these types of videos, very helpful and enjoyable

  • @Ereinion25
    @Ereinion254 жыл бұрын

    Almost 500 hours into the game and there were definitely some things I didn't know yet. Thanks!

  • @terlondre
    @terlondre4 жыл бұрын

    does the elevation bonus for missile also affect flying missile units like Hawk Riders? Do they have a permanent hidden buff to their damage just because they are always above their targets?

  • @liamcullen3035

    @liamcullen3035

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or maybe if they fly over a hill, and shoot at enemies on the flatland, they get the same buff as for units on the ground. “I have the elevated airspace, Anakin! Don’t try it!”

  • @hydra1259

    @hydra1259

    4 жыл бұрын

    Doesn’t matter cause Hawk Riders are shit. Generally speaking flying missile units aren’t worth their cost since they have way to low entity numbers.

  • @SinerAthin

    @SinerAthin

    3 жыл бұрын

    A very interesting question, one that I'd like to know the answer to.

  • @user-wk9fw7zj6z
    @user-wk9fw7zj6z4 жыл бұрын

    Also an important thing about stalk that it has an increased detection range on snow/desert maps.

  • @spiteforge
    @spiteforge4 жыл бұрын

    So between the hiding distance and the new Woodsman trait, looks like Wood Elf units are suddenly more deadly than ever when in the forest.

  • @OniGanon

    @OniGanon

    4 жыл бұрын

    But it's still an archer heavy faction so fighting in the woods still sucks.

  • @primalforlorn
    @primalforlorn4 жыл бұрын

    Another mechanism for units hiding in forests. Sometimes what look like a dense forest don’t hide your troops while the same unit standing in what appears to be open ground in chaos wasteland gets the forest hiding effect. That is because vegetation has nothing to do with hiding, but rather the area of map that is marked as “forest”. That’s why some forest don’t give hiding effect, really frustrating somethings when you want to do some sneaky ambush on your enemies.

  • @DubiousByName
    @DubiousByName4 жыл бұрын

    These are fantastic! Thanks so much, Zerkovich! I forwarded this video to a few of my TW:W2 friends.

  • @Hahryhtyr
    @Hahryhtyr4 жыл бұрын

    Firing from a wall elevation also blocks line of sight for models in the rear, so not the whole unit can fire. Which results in less damage.

  • @whiskeybacon4581
    @whiskeybacon45814 жыл бұрын

    4:41 Thank you so much for discussing exactly how the charge bonus works in-game. I've been wondering this forever !

  • @Khorneworshipper
    @Khorneworshipper4 жыл бұрын

    Since using Eshin rats i've been wondering what the detection range was. Glad your video let me know. Didn't realise Concealment bombs were that good

  • @jorgenblomkvist1790
    @jorgenblomkvist17904 жыл бұрын

    Great content as always Zerk! Been playing the game for years and still learn new things from your videos. Keep it up man

  • @jangleberry1682
    @jangleberry16824 жыл бұрын

    Another stat you missed is the "on high ground" leadership bonus of 10

  • @AlecJulianGarza
    @AlecJulianGarza4 жыл бұрын

    Great content man! Happy to be a subscriber you helped me learn a lot not just for this game but for all total war games

  • @spikertaker
    @spikertaker4 жыл бұрын

    Nice video, picked up a couple of things. Holding the wall is still worse than holding the city choke points in most, if not all cases.

  • @S3Cs4uN8

    @S3Cs4uN8

    3 жыл бұрын

    Against Vamp Counts and Tomb Kings it can work pretty well, any unit they can actually get up onto walls tends to not trade well vs. the units other factions can use.

  • @Kilen_BE
    @Kilen_BE4 жыл бұрын

    I keep that video registered in my playlist (and the others u made as well). Very useful, and overall CA did a good job, it’s realistic and very sensed. Thx for the infos, keep it up if u have more 👍

  • @CARIBIK79
    @CARIBIK793 жыл бұрын

    7:55 I agree with all debuffs, but how can fatigue affect armor? Unless the unit specifically dropped some of its armor 😁

  • @zerg-rush5797

    @zerg-rush5797

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are no longer blocking as effectively, and a persons posture can affect the effectiveness of ones armor.

  • @Kakatouwiham
    @Kakatouwiham3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tips ! Having the actual numbers helps a lot. Strider and Unspottable are very strong IMO. Yes indeed warhounds are so good to pursue fleeing enemies, I like to use light flying units for that as well like harpies or bats which are somehow the flying equivalent of warhounds.

  • @VORP125
    @VORP1253 жыл бұрын

    one of the best videos about total war warhammer 2, really. probably the most useful one I have ever seen.

  • @Gaden6893
    @Gaden68932 жыл бұрын

    This info is so influential and so hard to find online, TYVM for your guides!

  • @willykaranikolas2391
    @willykaranikolas23914 жыл бұрын

    Another important mechanic that many people don't know is that when you apply "causes terror" to a unit, it also makes them immune to terror too. This can be very useful for stopping a unit from terror routing, as applying "causes terror" will, as I said, make them immune to terror in the process! Very handy in both multiplayer and campaign.

  • @spikertaker

    @spikertaker

    4 жыл бұрын

    I mean it says that pretty clearly in the trait itself, it's hardly a hidden stat.

  • @shorebreakers96

    @shorebreakers96

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@spikertaker Let's calll it "often overlooked mechanic" then.

  • @isitme

    @isitme

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's stated in the trait description..

  • @C.Columbus
    @C.Columbus4 жыл бұрын

    Impressive! I've got 3000h in game and still learnt so much from this. Awesome job! Tanks

  • @matthewpena3592
    @matthewpena35923 жыл бұрын

    I used to only look for choke points, and try and force clumps. This information about elevation advantage and charging broken units has really changed how i approach combat. And i honestly thought exhaustion only affected movement speed and attack speed. This was so illuminating.

  • @cwakgaming1852
    @cwakgaming18523 жыл бұрын

    Great vid thanks. Never knew the numbers were so brutal for fatigue or charges from the sides / rear.

  • @ironsilk6438
    @ironsilk64384 жыл бұрын

    This was super helpful, thank you!

  • @MysticLegend31
    @MysticLegend314 жыл бұрын

    This was amazingly helpful! Thank you so much

  • @TheMrYadrian
    @TheMrYadrian3 жыл бұрын

    Stalk mechanics are the greatest 'guide part' for me. Thank you man!

  • @hartwinstein7434
    @hartwinstein74344 жыл бұрын

    I have to say Thank you very much for sharing your TWW-Knowledge and Experience! I searched nearly the whole Internet for the answer to the question of when sneaking units are discovered, i found nothing. Thank you so much you answered it :)

  • @SliderFury1
    @SliderFury13 жыл бұрын

    Exactly why hammer and anvil is so devastating. Just started my first Bretonia campaign. So much fun. I love charging my peasant front line directly into the enemy's face and not caring because it almost always tangles them up and then my Knights come in and destroy.

  • @goldenskulll
    @goldenskulll4 жыл бұрын

    Dude, your videos are so wonderful! I love them and download and keep them as a collection! Btw how do you know all these deep stats? Just curious

  • @emanuelevitale5325
    @emanuelevitale53254 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff!! Thanks for this series

  • @alches6604
    @alches66044 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. This kind of videos helps a lot.

  • @Enk0
    @Enk04 жыл бұрын

    Very useful, thanks for the tips mr. Zerkovich

  • @Hokiesnumber1
    @Hokiesnumber14 жыл бұрын

    Literally the best warhammer youtube channel! I love your videos!! Super helpful

  • @Zerkovich

    @Zerkovich

    4 жыл бұрын

    Appreciate that big homie

  • @callum563
    @callum5634 жыл бұрын

    Great video. It would be interesting to see which is better, walking under fire or running under fire

  • @olenhol2przez4
    @olenhol2przez42 ай бұрын

    16:10 Vermintide 2 tought me otherwise. Fighting downhill on stairs is a deathsentance. Attacks are comming from POV of enemies and yours, so standing and fighting downhill means you have less range while enemies can smash your toes. Same is with darktide which is funny. They never got around fixing this

  • @adamhadamcik385
    @adamhadamcik3854 жыл бұрын

    a very educative video I didn't know that high ground can boost so much. I'm going to pay more attention to the terrain then

  • @guillercuastico
    @guillercuastico3 жыл бұрын

    As usual, Zerkovich brings real quality stuff on youtube so I can continue my slaughter of Ulthuan from a different perspective. Today is the turn for Sisters of Twilight to recover the forest from them. Tomorrow, some skaven tunnels will poop thousends of rat-things on their rainbow-colored island. Yesterday, Big Daddy Grom did... well. You can imagine what he did there.

  • @RealSeekerOfTheTruth
    @RealSeekerOfTheTruth4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks again for this, Zerko!

  • @alan4309
    @alan4309 Жыл бұрын

    Clear and concise, good job. Thank you.

  • @SusaVile
    @SusaVile4 жыл бұрын

    On the melee defense reduction, I wonder if when you have a unit engaged, if you see you are going to be attacked from the rear, if it would be better to give that unit the order to get into a column formation. That way, less models hit on their rear, more on flank, giving it a better chance.

  • @Spider-Too-Too

    @Spider-Too-Too

    4 жыл бұрын

    what about a reverse charge

  • @SuperThest

    @SuperThest

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you time to do that then you would be better off just rotating the unit

  • @SusaVile

    @SusaVile

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@SuperThest well, you are still engaged at the front; I mean as in trying to minimize the number of troops that have their backs to the enemy. On previous total war titles, it was not applied to every single unit model, and now it can create that extra idea

  • @soldier22881
    @soldier228814 жыл бұрын

    zerk thank you for the tactical info, also loved the obi wan reference!

  • @jorne6863
    @jorne68634 жыл бұрын

    I did know that you have less MD in back and side but didnt knew the real modifier ! -70 is so huge haha ! Very good video anyways :)

  • @osefbloublou1597
    @osefbloublou15974 жыл бұрын

    @zerkovich Could u explain how "forest stalker" works ? It gives melee defense and others bonus but we don't know how exactly ?

  • @rbwbr

    @rbwbr

    4 жыл бұрын

    When you in the forest- you can see if this perk is active or not in your unit card.

  • @bigthoughts2644

    @bigthoughts2644

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you get like 110% MA and 120% MD. The WE rangers also get immune to psych I think and +12 AL. Now if you meant strider. They go through the trees. They are not hindered by trees.

  • @Finwaell
    @Finwaell3 жыл бұрын

    You didn't mention the sneaky penalty large units (cavalry etc.) get in the forest. Best way to get rid of Bretonnia? Lure them into the woods :) They get 20% less attack and defense and the trees will break their charge (unless they have strider). While we are talking about forests, the trees can block a lot of missiles if you put your archers let's say just along the treeline they can shoot out just fine but way less projectiles will reach them. Most of these (flanking bonuses, charge/pursue mechanics, elevation bonuses, even the hiding, missile penalty and cavalry penalty in forests) have been in the game in some form since Shogun I or Medieval I at the latest :) And they are really intuitive too, so if you know at least something about tactics, you'll do just fine :)

  • @user-hv5ch8sm4e
    @user-hv5ch8sm4e4 жыл бұрын

    these tips are really helpful thanks:)

  • @bennyloppo
    @bennyloppo3 жыл бұрын

    Learned so many things, thanks a bunch!

  • @ilaughatfunnyshit3482
    @ilaughatfunnyshit34824 жыл бұрын

    Thanks zerk. Didnt know about mele def from behind.

  • @Cascade_Failure
    @Cascade_Failure4 жыл бұрын

    200hrs in TWW2.. and I didn't know most of these. Good informative stuff!

  • @Olav_Hansen
    @Olav_Hansen4 жыл бұрын

    I didn't know the fatigue and high ground values, but the game isn't exactly secretive about them existing. I also figured there would be something with flanking, but nice to know the rules now.

  • @Trubripes
    @Trubripes3 жыл бұрын

    Tyvm, I have been looking for spotting range data forever.

  • @GaneicMehiro
    @GaneicMehiro4 жыл бұрын

    The exception to high ground unless it's sieges is if you have gunners that will perform better shooting uphill than downhill where they easily get no line of sight because of their own units blocking them.and uphill usually have los on more units.

  • @AlanLamb11
    @AlanLamb113 жыл бұрын

    Charging downhill workls best when a unit is already at half strength or will likely rout, otherwise to turn around and withdraw for a 2nd cycle charge is even more difficult and tires the unit that charged quite a bit. The thing with ranged units on walls makes sense but in most of the tests I've done does not seem to match the -30% damage, I think something in the LoS or perhaps the way distance calibration is applied to units on walls makes them take more damage than they give. Test two identical units and the one on the walls definitely takes a bit less damage but it appears closer to -10% in all the tests I did. When you add in the accuracy bonus from XP and the unit shooting up is only 50% of max range from the walls it actually does more damage than the unit on the walls, maybe arcs are interefering?

  • @SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet
    @SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet3 жыл бұрын

    I never knew about the melee hill damage bonus! I've always been intentionally fighting enemies from the lower ground in order to give my missile troops an easier time hitting the enemy. xD

  • @TheGreaterGrog
    @TheGreaterGrog4 жыл бұрын

    I was under the impression that there was an armor penalty on side/rear attacks as well as a MD penalty. You can see it when shooting something high armor in the back with goblin archers, as they seem to do real damage that way as opposed to the 1 point of AP per arrow. I read this in one of the TWW1 mechanic threads back when, but finding confirmation is hard.

  • @mannyfresh7065

    @mannyfresh7065

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thought it’s more to do with shielded units have x percentage of blocking missiles in direction their facing. So if you’re behind them and they’re facing the other way they have no way to block it. At least in the other total wars. I’m new to warhammer

  • @TheGreaterGrog

    @TheGreaterGrog

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mannyfresh7065 It is more than that, since the same thing happens on unshielded units. I've asked in the Reddit Q&A thread and been told 'yes, this happens' but nobody knows where it was tested.

  • @mannyfresh7065

    @mannyfresh7065

    3 жыл бұрын

    Troy Schofield no shit. Good to know!

  • @emrysmyridden
    @emrysmyridden4 жыл бұрын

    should have noted in this video that ranged units on walls have a significant disadvantage because they seem to have a significant reduction in volume of fire, and the ramparts do more to obstruct them than to protect them( not counting the ones over the gate which do both nearly 100%), and while i have seen the ai do it i have never been able to have my ranged units fire at units to their left and right on the walls and have a significantly difficult time having them shoot down at the inside at any kind of angle.

  • @vladdmytruk2955
    @vladdmytruk29554 жыл бұрын

    Great info, amazing work, amazing game it is!

  • @TitusLamperouge
    @TitusLamperouge4 жыл бұрын

    I knew like half of theses things, but you get me interested. I’ll try it out. And am I the only one to hear JoJo music when he talks about chariot? Maybe .. not ..?

  • @ShieldEnjoyer
    @ShieldEnjoyer4 жыл бұрын

    so the flanking occurs at an entity level, does the height bonus work at an entity level or does it go by unit instead?

  • @isitme
    @isitme4 жыл бұрын

    That pursuit bonus... It's all well and good but my experience with lords/heros pursuing enemy lords/heroes is that the pursuer only pushes the pursued in front of them not triggering the hit animation (mostly applies if the pursuer is on small ground mount and enemy is on foot). Thus no damage done... It's just annoying.

  • @yoruichixx6951

    @yoruichixx6951

    4 жыл бұрын

    because lords properly lvld are ridicoulus

  • @grazzer88

    @grazzer88

    4 жыл бұрын

    This kind of thing happens in a lot of games like this. A unit will stop still to initiate its attack animation only for the fleeing unit to escape out of attack range. Frustrating beyond belief. Plus the whole pushing a unit away from them deal, if you're attacking a fleeing unit i find it far more productive to run past it and attack from an angle so you're not just helping shove it off the map.

  • @saltaiaw
    @saltaiaw4 жыл бұрын

    I guess the first one with melee defence just makes running down fleeing units easier. I don't think it should be on certain units though like arty or a steam tank or really big units. A 4x4 bit of wood isn't weaker if it's facing away from you.

  • @liamcullen3035

    @liamcullen3035

    4 жыл бұрын

    Shank-stab them in the access-hatch!

  • @agsystems8220

    @agsystems8220

    4 жыл бұрын

    The steam tank only loses 7 melee defence when attacked in the rear. Against an enemy with melee attack of 50 that means hit percentage goes from 70% to 77%. A 10% damage increase. Attack of 15 gets a 20% damage increase (35% to 42%). Contrast that with attack 75 hitting defence 100. That goes from a 5% hit chance to a 95% hit chance when attacking in the rear; an 1800% damage increase. This mechanic punishes high MD units far more than low ones. Steam tank is defended by high armour and health instead, so it already doesn't affect them much.

  • @InternetMameluq
    @InternetMameluq4 жыл бұрын

    5:00: Oh really. Wow that changes a lot. Two points based on that: 1. Light cavalry with a high charge bonus is way more useful than I thought. 2. Those lord skills that increase charge bonus are way more useful than I thought.

  • @SuperThest

    @SuperThest

    4 жыл бұрын

    To a point. You have to remember that at some point your chance to hit can't go any higher, so all it can do is add damage. Paying 2 skill points to add 30 damage when chasing a unit isn't very cost effective.

  • @PropheticShadeZ

    @PropheticShadeZ

    4 жыл бұрын

    I still dont know how charging works, does it only effect the charging animation or for a bit afterwards, does it multiply base damage, or does it add a flat amount, is that amount armour piercing or not, this stuff is kinda important

  • @gaslar3328

    @gaslar3328

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PropheticShadeZ kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5eCtJZxnJjQaLA.html this is about charge prevention but he starts off by detailing charge bonus mechanics

  • @InternetMameluq

    @InternetMameluq

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@SuperThest Yeah, but light cavalry has a low charge bonus, so hitting that point is practically impossible... and two skill points to add 30 damage is pretty damned good, considering that it was probably pretty low before that, and since it's almost always hitting, it's effectively MORE damage than just 30. But the real point of this fact is to change moderate, or even weenie light cav into reapers.

  • @thecrabmaestro564
    @thecrabmaestro564 Жыл бұрын

    Now what we want is a very wide and not very long character, so that its front is massive for that sweet full MD

  • @Spider-Too-Too
    @Spider-Too-Too4 жыл бұрын

    iirc back in shogun time when every attack triggers an animation. attckimg someone from the side makes no difference in term of melee defense

  • @DeadLikeMeJ
    @DeadLikeMeJ4 жыл бұрын

    @ Zerkovich Great video, I knew there was stats like those but didn't knew the exact numbers. Overall some of those stats are designed really good but a few just seem unclear as to why they exist - why does 25% of armour is being lost when exhausted ? reload rate or charge or accuracy should be lost but armour ? 30% attack but only 10% defense , no wonder high MD was always a favorite ;) especially with all the units getting super fast during a fight.

  • @Panttz12
    @Panttz124 жыл бұрын

    Great video mate!

  • @screamingcactus1753
    @screamingcactus17534 жыл бұрын

    Huh. I noticed that fleeing enemies tended to die faster, but I thought that was just because attacks couldn't miss on a dice role, that every attack that connected would deal damage.

  • @lehelkiss3919
    @lehelkiss39194 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Plz make an army guide for Warden and the Pounch dlc.

  • @widdershins5383

    @widdershins5383

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤷🏼‍♂️ they’re basically high elves or orcs, just play them as those factions

  • @RafaelElectronic
    @RafaelElectronic4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your consistently posting quality content 👌🏻

  • @Zerkovich

    @Zerkovich

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching **fist bump**

  • @richardhogben3776
    @richardhogben37764 жыл бұрын

    Really helpful, thank you.

  • @jacobrigby3172
    @jacobrigby31722 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes, because everyone knows when you are tired your armour somehow gets tired too and stops doing its job

  • @ANotmyname
    @ANotmyname4 жыл бұрын

    When the trees start speaking tree.

  • @nemeo8391

    @nemeo8391

    4 жыл бұрын

    "Talking trees. What do trees have to talk about, hmm... except the consistency of squirrel droppings ?" ~ one famous Dwarf

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