Thanks for the support mopar fam I really hope this video helps you out on camshaft and lifter issues🤘🙏

@jevgenijslaba5217

4 жыл бұрын

Good day, what is your ram year of production and how much miles on it?

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

@@jevgenijslaba5217 2011 it had 130k

@jevgenijslaba5217

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks your prompt respond, have a 2014, but only 70k, couple of days ago hear ticking sound, and afraid whether have same problem started... What was cost of spare parts? Could you please send a company you bought from?

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

@@jevgenijslaba5217 I installed high performance parts so it's a bit expensive parts and tune will Cost about 3000 if you go with a factory cam and the you looking around 1500 in parts roughly

@anonimous2451

4 жыл бұрын

@@jevgenijslaba5217 johnsonlifters.com/Products/HydraulicRollerLifters.aspx Chrysler Gen. III Hemi Lifters Johnson Lifters with Axle Oiling are highly recommended. Hellcat Lifters are good but do not solve the low oil pressure due to crankshaft sling methodology associated with the VVT engine lack of lubrication problem at idle. This is the root cause of lifter failure and I fear Frostbite may be re-visiting this issue in about 50k miles or less. 2326 Drop-in $725.00 ST2326 Drop-in Short Travel $760.00 2356 Drop-in w/Axle Oiling $925.00 ST2356 Drop-in Short Travel w/Axle Oiling $960.00

Finally a video of how to fix the hemi camshaft lifter problem.THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! My nephew just spent $4500 four months ago for the stealership to go back with the same china made lifters and cam. He drove it to my house today saying it was missing like crazy. I put my scanner on it; misfire on 1&3. I haven't pulled the valve cover yet to see if cam lobes are toast, but I believe they are. He has only put 11,000 miles on it since they did the job. Told him if I was younger I would do what you are doing, but at 71 I ain't got it in me. Thanks again!!!

@FrostbiteRam

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

You got the exact cam kit I'm putting in my truck 😍 can't wait to see how yours performs!!

@pineappleexpressnetwork4942

3 жыл бұрын

How much it all cost

Dodge should pay to fix al l these issues,they have known about it for years,and just kept selling theme

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

They do pay alot, they will usually cover up to 80k miles.

@patrickb6938

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikes2460 even after warranty?

@mikes2460

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickb6938 i think its like GM when they dont want to lose a good customer... ive heard they can cover half up to like 80k if the car is just a little out of warranty.

@mikes2460

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickb6938 yeah the guy was a loyal mopar truck owner, he was at 90k but within the time and they gave him a half price new engine... they threw in a wiring harness also so he made out.

@jt7216

3 жыл бұрын

When the Obama government says get better mileage, you're forced to use cylinder deactivation voodoo and watery oil grades.

Thanks for the video. Definitely don't have that kind of space in my 08 JGC with the 5.7L. LOL But what I do have is a noticeable tick that I was hoping was exhaust manifold leak. I'm going to keep an eye (ear) on that but it might be time to unload it.

Had to see this! Same issue on my 300! Did show until I hit 165,000 miles! Going to use your list to rebuild it! Looking forward to the outcome!

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Contact Doctor Differential and Speed Shop they can probably get you a camshaft for a better deal 😉

@Nocsucal-BeatGod

3 жыл бұрын

Same issue here. Guess what mileage?

I just got done with my wife's 2011 Durango. I left the MDS and put in the hellcat oil pump. Had to tear it all back down because I soaked the lifters before installing, and it caused all sorts of problems

Mine is a 2008 1500 with the 5.7, coming up on 185,000 miles. I am the original owner and love the truck. Just purchased a new 2019 with the 6.4. Had a couple of the old guys back in the day tell me that you want to do the first oil change before 2000 miles to remove any metal dust etc... from the break in period or if anything wasn’t completely flushed out when the engine was assembled. Did the first oil change at 2000 miles and switched over to full synthetic oil at about 35,000 miles. Always have done a short warmup after it drops from high idle and generally don’t let it sit idling for long periods of time. Within the last 20,000 miles or so it will occasionally have a slight tick on startup if the truck has been sitting for several days. This has been my primary tow vehicle and has probably 80/20 highway to city driving. Firmly believe that doing the first oil change early and switching over to full synthetic is the way to go on any engine. Because of the amount of highway driving vs city, I push the oil changes generally to 6,000 miles. Can’t complain about this truck at all. Oil changes, air filters, brakes and tires in 185,000 miles.... if that’s what some people consider junk then I’ll take it all day long.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Very nice definitely great trucks

I wonder how many of these failures are on engines that have prolonged engine idle times. Do the Hemis have crazy oil pressure ranges at idle vs driving? I see my ecodiesel idle oil pressure is in the teens vs low 50s driving. Wonder if the Hemi is similar and lacks good oil volume at idle..

Mann!! You did a wonderful job on that truck! So glad you got it running the way you wanted. Am so happy to see that you can work on your truck and you have the know how to do it. 👍👍

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man And thanks for checking out the channel.

Thank you for the reply, It will tick when it's cold ,but when it warms up it will go away. I take pretty good care of it , I have had two tune ups on it since I have owned it .I run premium fuel thru it ,and use Royal Purple oil in it . Starts right up every time, doesn't idle rough never had any issues with it. The only problem I have is the finder wells are starting to rust underneath the paint.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely sounds like broken exhaust manifold bolt

@rick8910

4 жыл бұрын

What year is your truck , I had one of my fenders bubble just above the wheel well and they replaced it under warranty. It's a common thing they no it's a problem.

Waiting to see some #’s after the new cam... like to see before & after #’s !!

In my experience, the best thing you can do is to use Schaeffer oil. The Moly prevents this wear. We started using Schaeffer 5w20 in 5.7 he is when MDS first showed up in 2006 in the Ram 1500. We now run Schaeffer 0W40 in our 6.4 hemis. It’s like somebody turned the wear switch off. We won’t run anything else.

@josephpuchel6497

4 жыл бұрын

Jim Ferguson Hey I have a new 2019 2500 6.4 I just seen your comment and interested in using Schaeffer 0W40 right out from the start with my first oil change.

Suffered lifter and cam destruction on my 6.4 Grand Cherokee, 65000 miles....will never purchase another Jeep, ever. Absolute junk and don’t even bother with the dealer... no bueno.

@BobbyB910

4 жыл бұрын

Dont buy new its simple...new shit will always break that's how it is made so you have to buy a new car or fix it if you got money and experience

@BobbyB910

4 жыл бұрын

I have a 96 grandcherokee with a 5.2 magnum 348k on the clock all original except trans I got a built jasper trans because the 46re is slouch I literally have no issues with it

@BobbyB910

4 жыл бұрын

I bought a 2014 f150 off the trailer when it got delivered I had issue after issue with it. Bought a 98 f150 for 400 woth no brakes I put brake fluid in it and everything worked great drove it for 2years and sold it it had the 351 Windsor and 408k when I sold it

@7s29

4 жыл бұрын

Feel your pain, I went through the same.

@insainperson6018

4 жыл бұрын

ford 🔥

That Comp cam was a perfect choice.

Love my hemi and love this video and your channel. Thought I’d taken care of all the problems areas these motors have. Now I have all the info I need

Awesome job tackling that yourself that still has me a little nervous to tackle if i ever run into that issue, im pretty good with that stuff but hate to leave something out or mess timing lol

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro it's that to bad but definitely time consuming.

@anthonyallen7847

2 жыл бұрын

Need mine my done how much you charge

Great information and video Man! Thank you for uploading this!

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro🤘

Have a 2007 Ram 1500 4x4 with 150,000 miles. I am getting read to do the cam , lifters and MDS delete. One question always comes to mind after reading a few hundred post. Lubrication of the lifters and their failure. Would replacing the pushrods with larger diameter opening help on this matter? Just looking for answers

Wow man you're good!! Great video. I have a 09 1500 5.7. Misfire cylinder 3. Changed all the plugs and that coil pack, checked all the injectors and still misfiring. I think it might be a valve spring but not sure til I pull the cover off

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro🍻

Here is another thing to consider. During engine breakin, thousands of unfiltered (because they are so small) tiny pieces of metal are washed through the roller camshaft. All the way until the owner is told it needs a change, by a electronic meter! Sometimes 10,000 miles! These micro pieces of metal, come off the cylinder walls and rings as they break in. Get them out of your engine, after 3,000 miles. Ram has lowered the valve spring pressure on all its newer 5.7. Hopefully this will do the job also.

@MrComputerCoder

4 жыл бұрын

So basically change oil every 3,000 miles or at the very least the first 3,000 miles? I've heard of some dudes doing first 500 miles then again at 3,000 to avoid metals getting into places it shouldn't.

@davidleslie949

7 ай бұрын

Those small particles that you're imagining if they get past the oil filter they definitely won't get past the magnet at the bottom in the oil pan. That's of course if an aftermarket drain plug with a magnet was installed in the oil pan or a magnet itself could've been installed by a HEMI KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON TO COLLECT DEFINE PIECES OF IRON, NICKEL & COBALT which are the only 3 known ferrous metals to exist on earth. Another not so effective way would be to stick a large earth magnet on the side of the oil pan and then when it was time to do, I know you'll change or I know oil pan gasket, or the oil pump. When the pan comes down, he would have any small metal particles stuck to that magnet as long as it didn't fall off and as long as it wasn't removed until the oil pan came down. I still don't know how effective the last method was when I do change my oil pump, which is what will give you more volume this is my opinion is the best way to be proactive in preventing the cam\lifter failure because of the fix displacement, gear, rotor type oil pump. Yes the hell cat oil pump is substituted instead of the OEM OIL PUMP WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF OIL BY 12% WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH BY 12% MORE THAN WHAT GETS TO THE TOP OF THE ENGINE WILL LIKELY SAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE END FOR A $200 PART.

@davidleslie949

7 ай бұрын

@@MrComputerCoder WELL SAID as this is the best practice in preventative we are in tear by being proactive by changing your oil at no more than 5000 miles yes I synthetic oil is used or 3000 miles if I conventional oil is used. This is a proven method to protect any engine, but more so for the hemi 5.7 L. Furthermore, if you wanted to all but 100% guarantee this problem from happening to your engine would be to run 100 % Full synthetic oil and on top of that do not idle the engine for more than 10 to 15 minutes at one time. Lastly, and the most important of the three would be to replace your oil pump with that over HELLCAT HEMI OF ANY YEAR AND MODEL AS THEY ALL USE THE SAME OIL PUMP, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A DIRECT BOLTON FIT FOR THE 5.7 L. YOU MAY HAVE TO SWAP THE PRESSURE RELIEF SPRING AS THE TENSION IS DIFFERENT. The other method would be to mess around with the 3 wire oil pressure sensor instead of getting a code which will occur when the new pump is installed. It will read incorrectly, but not really because it's doing its job because the oil pressure will be higher than 60 psi and it will throw a code but that's ok because you want a higher oil pressure which is caused by the new oil pump because it's a larger gear rotor I think 12% larger something like that. Changing the oil pump and using synthetic oil at the proper intervals while not idling the vehicle for more than 10 to 15 minutes at a time. I can almost guarantee a non-cam/lifter issue on a 5.7 L hemi.

@davidleslie949

7 ай бұрын

Also, I forgot to mention never go by that 10,000 km because it's actually 10,000 km on a hemi in Canada that that little light tells you to. Keep in mind that stupid oil minder uses up to 30 different parameters to estimate when that oil is due to be changed. It's a complete gimmick, because if you look in your owners manual your driving patterns believe it or not will fall under severe driving conditions almost everyone falls under this category and then you'll see a different interval for your oil changes! You will be shocked, but you shouldn't be surprised because auto manufacturers have this in their owners manual, but the programming is set differently because they don't want that engine to last forever. How would you ever come back and buy another car or truck? It's not a well-known, but it is kind of a trade secret tho not documented that the engineers are asked how long will this engine last & will it make it until when the warranty ends? That's why you're oil minder takes so long. It should be half of that depending on if it's mainly highway driven or stop and go traffic, which falls under severe driving conditions. Which in that case your oil change intervals are almost cut in half.

Theres alot of people that mistake the OTHER hemi issue where the exhaust breaks manifold bolts and it makes a simular noise. If it goes away when your truck warms then its most likley your exhaust

@JoeMama827

4 жыл бұрын

Thank God, that's what mine does, that's got to cost a fraction of what cam replacement does.

@mikep3008

4 жыл бұрын

I’m hoping mine does because I’ve been hearing mine tick

@1234tellmewhatyourlookingfor

2 жыл бұрын

If it doesn't stop while driving its the valves, the exhaust manifold has two different metals bonded to surface. I don't know if that causes the bolts to break or just a less serious tic Back when Dodge was built by Dodge my work vans sitting overnight would seep a little oil around the valve seats. I would get a little puff of smoke when starting, and thats it. I never used much oil, but checked them regularly. I would buy used work trucks, and never had a premature fail. One van blew a head gasket after 350,000 miles I paid 500 bucks for that van, and I put on 100,000 miles myself. the only work I ever did to it was change the freeze plugs. I am a Mopar Guy, but needed a van this year ended up with a 6.0 liter GMC. Not liking the six cylinder mix breeds.

After installing longtube headers I noticed a ticking noise. Im hoping its normal noise after replacing the thicker, heavier iron exhaust manifold. That was done when my 2017 had 6,000miles. Appreciate the video 👍

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Its pretty common to notice some valve train noise with longtubes or shorties

Have the same problem with my 2014 Ram 3500 6.4 threw a misfire code cylender 3, Engine has 102,000. Would love this setup, but warrinty is going to cover the repair. Thanks for the info, Your truck sounds great!!

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and yes cant complain if you get free warranty repair.

Just wondering if anyone has tried modifying the oil pan windage tray. It seems it always on passenger side lifters.

My problem is that I can’t tell if it’s early stage lifter tick or if it’s broken exhaust bolts because they sound so similar

I have never even had any Mopar product Frost but I enjoy your channel.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man🙏

The rollers sizing happens too?

I think it's important to note this doesn't happen to everyone, I have a 06 Ram 1500 5.7 with 358000 and have had no issues with lifters or cam, I also purchased a new 2019 classic 5.7..believe it or not I'm more concerned with the 2019 then the 06, iv also done oil analysis on the 06 every 15000 miles, just to keep an eye on things, something like this would almost certainly show up in a oil analysis, it would at the very least give you a heads up as to potential problems..

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

The 3rd gen wasn't prone to this failure as much mostly the 4th gens

@tylerhobbs1795

4 жыл бұрын

My 19 classic going in shop Friday for lifter failure most likely. Only 30k miles.

@jakerleafs94

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler Hobbs so was it your lifters/cam?

Damn man that sucks! Luckily you caught it before it did major damage

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Yea definitely got lucky 😬

I just had mine done at Taos performance in Raymore Missouri. It was a 2011 with 138k. The misfire started at 5.5k rpm and with in 2 weeks it’s was missing at 3.5 It was about the same price as what the dealer wanted , but the dealer was going to put the same mds crap back in. I got a stage 2 cam , a new gasketed motor ( minus lower gaskets ) new lifters obviously , and a professional tune. Man what a difference.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Great information man, a custom cam makes a big difference for sure👍

@bri-manhunter2654

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you have a stall to go with that stage 2 cam!

@christeeter6370

4 жыл бұрын

Bri-man Hunter no issues yet. But I also didn’t do the larger Intake. He said not nessesary on my motor unless it’s an issue. Put a hundred miles on it daily from job site to job site , with no stalls. He did have a G6 in there that was getting an stall after he put the stage 3 cam in it. Said it could hold stop lights.

@gohogs2277

2 жыл бұрын

How much did all that cost?

By any chance would you know what is the oem part number for the cylinder head bolts needed when doing a cam swap or can I reuse my old ones

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

I sure dont, its recommended to install new bolts but I didn't 😬.

I'm getting ready to do this (this weekend) Can you reference the other video you watched where you learned the timing chain trick? Thanks! Your video alone made me feel much more confident in doing this myself haha.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'll see if I can track it down biggest thing is make sure to keep pressure up on chain so it dosen't come off bottom crankshaft sprocket I used a bungee strap to hold it up and to the side.

@richmond12000

3 жыл бұрын

How did it go?

I have a 2004 dodge ram with the 5.7 liter Hemi ,it ticks never had any miss fire codes ,it's got 150,000 miles on it.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Probably broken exhaust manifold bolt very common also.

@bri-manhunter2654

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve had a tick on mine ever since I bought it at 70k, not manifold bolts because I also have JBA long Tubes. I’m throwing in a Jay Green HL stage 1 cam with pushrods and valves next week. Should be fun with the 3K stall.

Awesome video as always. Informative and all up in that engine bay. Nice job

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro🤘🔧

Thank you for putting me in touch with Jay green. I'm doing the same to my truck

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

🤘hell yea

Great video! Sorry you're having these issues. It stinks that FCA can't seem to make anything reliable these days. They have some awesome vehicles, but they're all piles of crap in the (not so)long run.

Between the cam and the bad lifter, a lot of hard steel got turned into sparkles. I wonder how much of it ended up inside of the oil filter and how much didn't...

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

I had to change oil 3 times to get it clear.

My truck has a slight tick that started when I changed from penziol to valvaleen went to castrol stayed the same went back to penziol still has very slight tick thats been 200k miles now

I HAVE A 2006 MAGNUM WITH THE 5.7L ENGINE. I PUT A, MILD, PRO-CAM IN IT. BUT NOW I HAVE TO RE-TUNE THE STOCK ENGINE COMPUTER TO HANDLE IT. ONCE I DO THAT, WILL THAT COMPROMISE THE CALIFORNIA SMOG TEST? PS; WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 2006 AND A 2015, 5.7L ENGINE? ARE THE PCM s VERY DIFFERENT?

It’s a design flaw. The cam is starving for oil. New cam will fix it but the problem will continue. When you look at the lifter, you’ll see the burnt side indicating lack of oil. Someone should invent a way to get the oil to the cam. Idle will increase the problem.

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

nope its bad needle bearings... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

@larmo5633

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed on the oil issue, there's a video on youtube that proves it..

Same thing happened on my low mileage 300 srt8. Happens so much for everyone and yet Chrysler can't do a recall since they'd lose so much money. They know there's an issue!

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely

Thanks for all the info, I just got back from a trip today and had the same this just happen to me. Iv been researching all day and I like your setup. How kind is the turnaround on the tune?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Custom tune is few days turn around usually

Man when I hear that thing start up it makes me want to do the same thing. Even though i don’t have a tick yet. 👍🏼

Oil you’ve been using?

My 04 hemi 5.7 has never let me down... wont trade for newer after hearing all this

@theragingcreeper9040

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah my 06 is doing this

@jc-xo8yd

4 жыл бұрын

just delete it

Great video I have a really loud tick , I juste finish exhaust bolt manifold, had only one broke off. Front one cilindre 1. 2 question . Can you list of the part I need for the job? Best lifter and cam. Also when your doing a MSD delete, does it make the engine light to come on ? Thanks you very much

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, parts list and links is in video description. Also after tuning no issues with check engine lights.

What year is your truck? I have a 2011, and Im having a misfire code and rough running at times. The check engine light will flash for 2 cycles, then turn off. Then its fine. I dont want to keep driving it like this, I dint want to cause damage if possible.

Fortunately but yet unfortunately I was covered under warranty, so I had to get the same crappy OEM parts installed.

how hard is it to make a good lifter? push rod motors have only been built for how many decades?

@anonimous2451

4 жыл бұрын

It ins't really the lifter that is the problem. It is in the methodology or oil starvation at low engine idle speed. There is no direct head lubrication pathways from the pump assembly, instead relying on the Crank Sling method of oil deployment which suffers greatly at idle. Bad Engineering design, not lifter design.

@anonimous2451

4 жыл бұрын

@Bailey Hatfield The issue is NOT the lifters. The issue is the Low Oil Pressure at idle due to methodology of lubrication to lifters. The Ford spark plug issue was basically limited to 04-07 5.4 L engines. But that is not the only problem Ford has designed. The Focus RS blowing heads is far worse and also late 90's mustangs had cooling issues with the rear cylinders that seems to overtly affect the GT350 engines too. Though Ford has denied that one. 2013-2014 GT500 5.8 L engines are a time bomb as well.

@andrewhigdon8346

4 жыл бұрын

Anon Imous I’ve read that the engines with the biggest issues are the ones that idle for extended periods. Work trucks, police cars, etc. my car has done extended time idling, but being a 2006 Magnum RT I hope this doesn’t happen.

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

@@anonimous2451 It is the lifters... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

Your right, but Chrysler was going through bankruptcy at the time. Maybe they moved their lifter manufacturing? They should have caught it quicker though. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

I think mine is a pretty similar noise. Mechanics can't seem to figure it out. Dodge dealership wanted to do a tear down for $700. The small dealership I bought it from picked it up fixed some stuff on it for a fraction of the price. But the CEL is still there for a P0304 misfire. Going to a performance shop that works with Mt extended warranty company. Hopefully they can atleast figure it out

@Frostbite Ram : Do you happen to have a link to the video for the timing chain trick where you don't have to remove the oil pump? I'm scared enough as it is to do this job myself, so I'm looking for all the help I can get. :D

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

I explained it in this video all you do is hold the chain up with something so it doesn't fall off the lower sprocket

Will these hellcat lifters fit in my 2012 ram 5.7?

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Yes if you install a non mds camshaft and disable mds

@rayray9777

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam How do you disable the mds

That’s some good work. I can’t imagine the labor cost if you couldn’t do it yourself.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks you can definitely save alot doing it yourself 👍

@johnwilliams7926

3 жыл бұрын

About $1800 here in arkansas for labor and fluids plus parts

Hi, How much would the deal charge for this? i have a 2011 jeep grand cherokee 5.7 that is having this issue. i have already got a misfire code for cylinder 2. i know most of the price will come from labor. my experience goes as far as oil change, spark plugs and brakes. thanks in advance edit: truck is at 250,000 km

i’m about to purchase a king block reman 5.7 and really want this cam now. would i have to do spring work for this cam or would the reman block have stout enough springs?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Need new springs i use mopar performance springs its a direct swap.

Awesome video I work for Chrysler as a tech and it’s common on these 5.7, 6.1, 6.4 liter motors to have a lifter and fail and causes the cam lobe to go bad. Nothing new

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely is job security lol

@RebelLyfeBoxing80

3 жыл бұрын

Is it the same on the hellcat?

@pineappleexpressnetwork4942

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah who in the right mind puts only one can in there 🤔😂👎

@brandonsanchez3431

3 жыл бұрын

What happens if you don’t replace the cam when ur lifter fails?

@RedNineTeen

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonsanchez3431 I’m assuming it will just eat what’s left of all the other lobes and eventually You’ll have catastrophic engine failure due to metal shavings.

seems like they just got over the valve spring problem. just created a new one.

What bolts did you use when you put the long tubes on your truck ?

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Factory Mopar 6.1 gaskets and bolts

I have that vavle seat guide are known to fail in the 5.7 liter hemi and cause the vavles to break off and into the combustion chamber?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

That has been known mostly on the pre eagle motors.

My man can wrench on a vehicle, dadgum.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Little bit lol🤣🔧

Even though I agree with getting rid of the MDS system The lifter that he's holding that locked up is a non MDS lifter. I've had this exact same exact scenario happen on my 6.4 Charger number 5 intake non MDS.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Yup many think just the mds lifters fail not the case at all most the time it's a non mds lifter.

@MrRetahreggin

4 жыл бұрын

We just finished up a 5.7 charger mds that had a lifter tick. #5 intake lifter (not an mds lifter) had failed and chewed the cam up. We couldn't get dealer lifters so we went with aftermarket lifters... didn't even make it out of the shop. 2 were ticking theirs asses off. We waited for dealer lifters and had to take it back apart.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrRetahreggin damn that sucks. Best fix is non mds camshaft and hellcat lifters

Will the hellcat lifters fit in a 2009 keep grand Cherokee with the 5.7. I want to do a mds delete aswell. What kit should I buy for reliability

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they should fit fine.

Great video! Can you explain how the solenoids activate the MDS?

@joekrim6557

4 жыл бұрын

Go read about it...do some work

Not lopey my ass. She sounds amazing. I can hear the seperation. Thanks for the ideas of performance and I hope it serves you well.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man🤙

My wife been driving her 2006 RT for a while and now its 185000 and boy that thing never had no ticks cus we change the oil religiously at 3000miles no excuses, air filter too. she even raced me in my srt many times i think it all boils down to how u or the previous owner kept up

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

its lifter quality, your part of the 98% kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

Great job! Video was good to watch. So you put in new cam, hellcat lifters and did MDS delete. Let us know how things go.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

I've put over 20k on this setup also with lots of racing no issues at all.

I'm in north Florida with '15 Ram 1500. Thanks for showing this. Just subbed.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@davidbeadle2117

4 жыл бұрын

How much does it cost for everything and lifters gaskets valve seats etc. etc.

@davidbeadle2117

4 жыл бұрын

Oh and yes I left out the cam how much is a cam

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidbeadle2117 custom cam and parts will be about 2k

The HELLCAT Lifters that you'll be getting or already put in are the exact same part number of the ones you took off actually. The hellcat uses the same lifters as the 5.7 L HEMI ENGINE, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE 6.2 L. I'm sure you probably figured that out by now but I'm just watching this video today. The PERFORMANCE HELLCAT CAM KIT YOU PUT IN IS JUST A STANDARD OEM HYDRAULIC, RELIABLE IF TREATED PROPERLY AND NOT ABUSED OEM HYDRAULIC LIFTERS. If you did remove the MDS, which I'm guessing you did because it says that in the title? The MDS has nothing to do with that cam/lifter failure. hopefully you installed what is important is a new hellcat oil pump which will give you 12% more volume eliminating the lack of lubrication at both ends of the camshaft, where the problem is due to lack of lubrication because of the length of the intake and exhaust valves being higher up than the previous generation splash oil lubricated cam/lifter. Chrysler failed to install a larger OEM OIL PUMP, BUT THEY DIDN'T FAIL TO YOU ON THE HELLCAT ENGINES WHICH DON'T HAVE NEARLY THE PROBLEMS A 5.7L does. Enjoy the video because I'll be doing something like that soon. I'm sure though I have 120,000 miles on my vehicle. The majority of the miles were highway driven not to mention I used to 100% synthetic engine oil which I only went over the 8000 mile mark once. I'm in Canada, so I'm having trouble converting the numbers exactly but yeah and then I started adding a zinc oil supplement to my motor, in order to help lubricate and prevent wear on the camshaft. It's strictly an engineering problem that was overseen or intentional likely overseen by the CHRYSLER ENGINEERS.

@FrostbiteRam

7 ай бұрын

No sir that cam was a custom grind racing cam from comp😉

@davidleslie949

7 ай бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam Sorry you'll have to read my comment over again please? I was referring to the cam lifters being the same part number as the hellcat CAM lifters. I did not mention anything about the cam shaft, which is a completely different part Dando cam lifters. I do the same thing when I read quickly and see what I want to see and not what I should see.

@FrostbiteRam

7 ай бұрын

@davidleslie949 the aka hellcat lifters are just non mds lifters nothing special but they are used in the hellcats and any non mds hemi

Take your valve cover off and feel the rockers for excessive movement that's easiest way

Question I have a 2013 Ram 1500 and the previous owner did the MDS Delete Kit on it, runs nice but the engine light stays on, when that stays on remote start kicks out after 19 seconds. How can I get rid of the engine code warnings, even if I clear them they come right back each time you start the engine. Is it a matter of live with the problems or is there a solution?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely not right and can be tuned or repaired so it doesn't do that.

Thanks for the video. Just got a misfire on cylinder 8 on my 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee at 140,000!!!!! Not happy!!! Into a cam swap now and 6.4 manifolds with the delete kit and a comp cam!!! Did you Dyno your truck before and after? What kind of power gains did you see? Just curious. Thanks again.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and no I haven't dyno it but I picked up 3 tenths in the 1/4

Nice video brother, how many miles does she have on her?

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

At the time of the failure it had about 128k I'm at 147k now

I had the ticking and I would stomp on it and there would be a lot of smoke coming out the pipes.

Awesome looking ram 💯..I also have a ram myself and the redeye. I see the Georgia plate on the back👍😎We’re over here and Lilburn GA ..I just subscribed 😊

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro, you should join the car club I'm in🤘

I’ve been looking and need help. What would be the best upgraded cam I could put in my 2021 5.7 ETORQUE Rebel. I have borla cat and Vararam intake. Also have edge pulsar (which I will be moving to real tune onday) I’m getting era shorties in the next few weeks. I want to upgrade the cam. Which would be the best without tune and would run with the ETORQUE. I can’t find anything about it anywhere. I only find cams for non Etorque. Thank you. My goal is to have one of the fastes with Etorque eventually if that’s even possible. I’m new to all of this only been in it for about 4 months now. Thanks again

@FrostbiteRam

2 жыл бұрын

Good question haven't heard of anyone doing a cam in one yet. Contact jaygreenetune or doctor differential and speed shop see what they offer.

Awesome Frostbite《☆》What fan are you runnning & was it a direct fit or required some fabrication? 🤓

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

I'm just running the factory electric fan and jay has my fan settings tuned perfect.

I start my 5.7 Hemi in the morning it sounds great for about 30 seconds then it starts tapping. 5 minutes later it's silent. Stays really quiet as long as the engine is warm. Both manifolds and bolts have been replaced. Didn't fix it. I've been driving it like that for 50K miles and the noise never changes. Only ticks til engine is warm, so I'm not worried about it anymore, but does anyone have any idea what it could be?

@Wisdom_Eqauls_Power

3 жыл бұрын

I had a 5.7 with 120 k miles I replaced manifolds and bolts aswell my tick was exactly the same as yours I drove it for another 30 k Miles like that than traded it in to much to worry about

@edjackson4389

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wisdom_Eqauls_Power Apparently it's just annoying, and not so much to worry about. It's at 190k miles now and still smooth and powerful. Just ticks like a time bomb during warm up. I wish it didn't do it, but it's paid for and I don't want a car payment any time soon.

@Wisdom_Eqauls_Power

3 жыл бұрын

@@edjackson4389 I’m glad she’s going strong 💪 and I’m with you @ payment !

@dsylte8761

3 жыл бұрын

Watched a video a while back, it's the bolts to the exhaust manifold that are snapped. Once the engine warms it goes away, then back again when cool.

@edjackson4389

3 жыл бұрын

@@dsylte8761 No it wasn't. They were all new and so were the manifold gaskets. Noise continued. New cam and lifters fixed it.

Sweet vid!!!! 2 questions: How many miles did you drive it ticking ? I'm at 15000 miles no code yet How did the rocker arm and push rod look on the bad lobe lifter?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Rocker and push rod was fine.

Honest question for you 'good' home mechanics out there: I have the chance to buy a 2011 Ram 1500 Laramie Quad Cab 4x4 with likely this issue. (the P0303) popped up recently, along with a drop in power. It has high mileage (208k miles, 335k km) but it's in quite good shape for it's age, with only minor cosmetic issues. Would it be worth replacing the cam/lifters and trying to resell for a profit, or is it too big of a project for a 'mid-level' home mechanic? My experience: I've done a couple head gasket repairs over the last 25 years, 1 or 2 timing belt/chains replacements, 2 or 3 water pumps, a half dozen alternators, and at least 50 oil changes. In short, I'm 'pretty good' but not a mechanic.... is this job more than I should take on?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

With stock parts you looking at about 1200-1500 in just parts.

Happened to my HEMI 5.7 in my 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee... Ended up selling it for half the KBB rather than fixing it. Loved the vehicle, but couldn't stand spending $5k on an issue that cold happen again. Sorry FCA I bought a chevy this time...

@cm30256

4 жыл бұрын

Gen 4 LS engines have same issue.... Only Toyota/Nissan v8 trucks are all time v8

@jc-xo8yd

4 жыл бұрын

@@cm30256 Ford's

@reyperez3424

4 жыл бұрын

Chris M So true , I did the DoD/AFM delete in my 07 V-Max Silverado and I’m still having issues

Thats exactly what my truck sounds like right now

Do you have to put a tune with the Jay Green high lift racing cam?

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

You need a tune for any non stock camshaft.

Sounds really awesome! Good job!

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Seems I’ve been hearing about this issue for a long time. When is Ram going to correct this???

@fraudsarentfriends4717

4 жыл бұрын

This is an oil related failure.Nothing unique or remarkable about the Hemi in this regard.

@travelinben1966

4 жыл бұрын

Waylen What about the bad lifters scoring the camshaft?Is that an oiling issue or a problem unique to the hemi.I have no doubt you’ve seen it on you tube.

@fraudsarentfriends4717

4 жыл бұрын

Brian It’s the detergents in the oil that break down causing a piece of sludge to seize the roller on the lifter which then wears away the camshaft.

@travelinben1966

4 жыл бұрын

Waylen Thanks for your video and professional expertise.Any oil suggestions for the hemi?I’ve heard alot of people talking about pennzoil synthetic with zinc.

@fraudsarentfriends4717

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Chrysler recommends the Pennzoil synthetic.

To be clear this happens regardless of MDS because you see damage on non MDS sections. It's poor quality overall

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

yes poor lifter manufacturing... been fixed at least. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

I have metal shavings in my filter but not in the pan as far as I can tell without having the pan off. I planned on doing AMS with the hellcat lifters and new oil pump. Do you think it'll be good or will I just need a new block? I noticed the tick about a week ago. Getting ready to start it this week.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

I had some in my filter also should be good just check the camshaft bearings in the block.

@FormFollowsFuncyion

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostbiteRam thanks for the reply! I'll definitely check them and I figured when I drop the pan I may check the crank also.

Did the MDS delete plugs come from Jay or did you need to get them elsewhere? I got the full set of lifters from him but didn’t hear anything about the plugs

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

I bought them from dealer but no need just leave the mds solenoids in and unplug them.

An Inherent flaw in the design of this motor. No oil on the cam at an idle, new parts won’t change it.

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

wrong... lifters are it... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

@TexasStrong-ez9jv

4 жыл бұрын

You are correct. The cam gets almost no "spiash" lube from the crank until 2000 rpm.

I have changed many, Chinese junk. Last lifter set from the dealer where made in Germany with a 7 month wait

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

try the EngineTechs?... made in usa kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

Thank you for all the insight.

Hi, Sir! How did your cam bearing's look after you pulled the old cam? I went to install my new cam on my 5.7 and the bearings to me looked horrible. I had no tick or issues with 90,000 miles on it. Thanks in advance.

@FrostbiteRam

3 жыл бұрын

Normally look good unless vehicle was run a long time with the tapping.

When they ideal the can lifters get no oil till 2000 rpm. There all doing it

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

MDS isnt the issue... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

the MDS lifters go bad destroy the cam. What I've been hearing is Mds turns off and the lifter pounds on the cam when the lifter gets pressure again

@GrabbaBeer

4 жыл бұрын

William Lopez so mds delete fixed it basically?

@anonimous2451

4 жыл бұрын

That is easily fixed by either Tow Mode (disables the ECO Mode or some newer models you can just hit the - button to disengage the ECO Mode, it's what I do every single time I get in the truck. And after every single restart...it's a bit of a PIA, but I hate the ECO Mode, don't give 2 Sheets about the cost of the gas. I f I couldn't afford the gas I wouldn't have bought the damn thing.

@GrabbaBeer

4 жыл бұрын

Anon Imous wait you can just turn that mode off and it fixes the mds issues?

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

Its not the MDS system, its was a bad couple years of lifters and needle bearings... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

I just got my 2013 2500 5.7L truck back from the Hemi Shop. I had Hemi tick start last Tuesday. My check engine light came on with a code for the oil pressure switch and also had a misfire on cylinder number 5. I checked the oil pressure on the dash and it only would go up to 31psi🤦🏽‍♂️. It ended up being a seized lifter at ate up my cam lobe. The shop replaced the cam lifters seals and other stuff I can’t remember and sent the heads off to get worked. No it runs better than when I bought it with 60k miles.

God I wish this didn’t cost so much. I’m broke and I have two kids and just found out my 5.7 charger has this hemi tick and came to your video to see how much it could cost to just upgrade the parts or even just use oem parts. But it would take me forever to be able to save that much

Uncle Tony has a good video on what causes this.

@mikes2460

4 жыл бұрын

He was wrong... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKFor5aYXabRn9Y.html

@ToAstYNaChO

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikes2460 that video was deleted, what was it?

@mikes2460

3 жыл бұрын

@@ToAstYNaChO kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnWpsLWSobK3ms4.html

Metallurgical issues? Try a DLC (diamond-like carbon) coating on the lobes & lifter faces/rollers.

Also, since you don’t have a clutch fan, what were your temps? i’m thinking about doing that. with just the AC fan as you have.

@FrostbiteRam

4 жыл бұрын

With 180stat and tune its around 185ish

@TheSavage3.6

4 жыл бұрын

Frostbite Ram Awesome!

I heard by disconnecting the oil temperature sensor it deactivates MDS...correct?