45-70 Wildcat For Deer? - Season 3 Episode 10

Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I answer listener questions about the 45-70, eye dominance, 375H&H, choosing a youth hunting rifle, and more.
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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  • @elev8torguy
    @elev8torguy10 ай бұрын

    Looking pretty good for an 1880s era hunter Ron!

  • @brianklamer3328
    @brianklamer332810 ай бұрын

    Ron, you should bottle whatever keeps you looking so young considering that hunting photo of yours in Estes Park was from the 1880's when you were there!

  • @hs459
    @hs45910 ай бұрын

    I started shooting my 30-06 when I was 14yrs didn`t mind the recoil I LOVED that rifle [ never wanted anything else] learned to deal with it but that was way back in 1958 kids & times were different back then also got my first car at 15 yrs old {1935 Ford } LOVED THOSE DAYS

  • @alfsleftnut9224

    @alfsleftnut9224

    19 сағат бұрын

    Yup I came up on my grandpas rifle

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk289 ай бұрын

    The word hunter, in German, is often believed to be Gunther, but that actually needs warrior.

  • @Dale37
    @Dale3710 ай бұрын

    Deciding on a cartridge and gun seems to be to a big problem with everyone in today's world. I have gone through it too with my kids. We just have so many options and it can make your head spin. My dad was a traditionalist, so my first rifle was a model 94 30-30, my next rifel was a Remington model 742 .308. Both great rifles. My girls are starting out with .243's and 6.5 creedmoors. I am now using a 30-06, bolt action designs are my preference too.

  • @tlloyd9325
    @tlloyd932510 ай бұрын

    I bought my grandson a youth Mossberg in 243 that had the extra stock extensions for when he gets older. I handload reduced loads with 85gr bullets. He doesn’t flinch or shy away when he pulls the trigger. He loves it! Very accurate and easy to shoot.

  • @christophergolden5297

    @christophergolden5297

    10 ай бұрын

    That makes you one of the coolest grandpa's ever 😉👍

  • @TheGoldenBear79

    @TheGoldenBear79

    9 ай бұрын

    I have to agree with @christophergolden5297 that you are a “cool grandpa” for sure! And I would add that your a wise man as well because teaching kids (when they are mature enough) about guns is a wonderful thing! Understanding gives you respect for guns, without fearing them, (I think that makes someone more likely to make a potentially dangerous mistake), and you are teaching them the truth instead of them just hearing from people who know nothing about guns, and blame them instead of blaming the people who use them unlawfully, so out of ignorance speak about guns as if they know about them & make claims about how bad they are! My respect to you Sir for taking the time to be a wonderful grandpa! I hope you are enjoying every minute of it! Teaching children is what can make the biggest difference in every aspect of life. I respect & admire you for that Sir. My best wishes to you and your family. I hope you are all having a wonderful day. ✌️

  • @Bearandsonsgunworks
    @Bearandsonsgunworks10 ай бұрын

    Ron are you familiar with chuck hawks? I feel like he is left out a lot when people talk about great outdoors journalists and photographers such as your self and jack O’Connor I grew up reading you fine gentlemen’s material.

  • @williamgaines9784
    @williamgaines978410 ай бұрын

    The shortened 45-70 to 1.8" Shane is looking for is commercially known as 460 S&W Magnum.

  • @drakeslocum2564

    @drakeslocum2564

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep, I imagine the 450 Bushmaster would also be similar

  • @williamgaines9784

    @williamgaines9784

    10 ай бұрын

    @@drakeslocum2564 Except the Bushmaster runs at just over half the pressure of the 460 and therefore cannot achieve its velocity & energy. Each has its advantages, but the S&W is king.

  • @OJ-reborn

    @OJ-reborn

    10 ай бұрын

    @@drakeslocum2564 i agree. the bushmaster will do everything you need inside 200 yds.

  • @coldandaloof7166

    @coldandaloof7166

    10 ай бұрын

    Wrong wrong wrong. 460 uses a .452" bullet. 45/70 uses .458. Rim diameters are different. Pressure are WAY different. Not even comparable.

  • @theprfesssor

    @theprfesssor

    10 ай бұрын

    I have said for a while, 45-70 is a tried and true thumper but I believe modern times have given us a better option in 45, the best 45 caliber out there today from power to versatility is the 460S&W magnum The 460 can effectively give you 45-70 levels of power out of a handgun.......while being smaller and easier to carry and using far less powder then if you give the 460 a longer barrel it gains a large jump in velocity which will easily surpass it's handgun performance or 45-70 ( I have a rifle in 460 and have seen this 1st hand) Then to top it off a gun chambered in 460 Smith&Wesson can shoot the entire 45 Colt family thats 4 cartridges from one gun no modifications at all can go from plinking 45 Schofield to dropping mjolnir as fast as you can change ammo it's really nice

  • @andrewpuckett5295
    @andrewpuckett529510 ай бұрын

    I love my single shots! I have 2 Ruger no 1s, a Browning hiwall, Harrington and Richardson and 2 Stevens; great rifles in calibers from 22LR up to 45-70.

  • @paulnelson7384
    @paulnelson738410 ай бұрын

    Prairie dog shooter here, barrels changing is what keeps gunsmiths working. A good week of P-dog shooting going through 3000 round of high velocity bullets wears out barrels by high heat.

  • @01nmuskier

    @01nmuskier

    10 ай бұрын

    Sounds like a lot of fun!

  • @kirkboswell2575
    @kirkboswell25759 ай бұрын

    The "S" was for "spitzer". They also went from round nosed to pointed bullets at the same time.

  • @bradbo3
    @bradbo310 ай бұрын

    7mm08 and 30-30 is what I started my kids off with hunting whitetail….modest recoil. Lightweight rifle. They had range time first to see if they would flinch or not like it.

  • @general-Lee-700
    @general-Lee-70010 ай бұрын

    My son shot a deer in the backyard with my savage model 111 30-06 bolt-action and my wife calls me while im at work and told me he shot a buck with my 30-06 I didn't believe her till she showed me the pic of my 12 year old son shot that 14+ with a 30-06 220gr at least 145 yards I came home in tears because my son shot his first with my first gun I've got when I was his age I was so proud of my son for taking his buck that was 14+ rack I ask how did that gun kid and he said the most funniest thing ever" it didn't kick that hard" 😂 he's a real chip off the old block I took him out to buy him his first gun and I ask the guy and he told the man what he wanted he tryed to tell my son it's to big for him to handle and I should get him a 223 or a 243 and he even said a 270 winchester and I told him what he did and after arguing with the guy I got my boy his own 30-06 savage axis but with a smaller bullet weight thats not going to turn his shoulder black and blue like my rifle did and hopefully he doesn't nail a bigger one before me

  • @anthonymurphy2540
    @anthonymurphy25408 ай бұрын

    They really had some good looking deer in 1880’s and men wearing fancy hats!!

  • @MoxieFirearms
    @MoxieFirearms10 ай бұрын

    The Mauser company thought the 7mm Mauser cartridge was superior over the Gewer 88 8x57mm cartridge, due to it's flatter shooting bullet. . Mauser wasn't given any opportunity to have any say in the development of the Gewer 88 or it's cartridge. When Mauser said he could build them a superior rifle, Germany insisted the bullet be 8mm.

  • @donnysanner342
    @donnysanner3429 ай бұрын

    .243 to 7mm 08 is ideal for deer , pronghorn and mule deer out to 300 yards....don't complicate things. He's right....the simplest rifle is the best rifle.

  • @geoffreywmason4769
    @geoffreywmason476926 күн бұрын

    The 7x57 was also used against us Aussies in the 1900s in the Boer war. All the best to you and yours from the Aussie Boomer

  • @BenRester
    @BenRester10 ай бұрын

    You were in Colorado in 1880’s? I knew it! Your a vampire!😂 or time traveler 😂😂

  • @rileytrindle1343
    @rileytrindle134310 ай бұрын

    Anyone else catch that when describing the photograph behind you Ron you said from way back in the 1880s? I hope I look that good when I'm a hundred and sixty years old.

  • @JGray1968
    @JGray19689 ай бұрын

    Back in the 1880s? You must've been one of the pioneers in wildlife photography.

  • @nospam3409
    @nospam340910 ай бұрын

    For a young hunter, I like the 6.5 Grendel (hard to find a bolt action in 6.5G), 300 blackout, or 350 Legend. All are capable of reaching 200 yds easily, and all are very low recoil. I love single shots as well, and that opens up the options a lot more. 6.8 SPC with a 16" barrel would be short, light, and very accurate with very little recoil. If you Reload and go with an Encore, I'd look at a 460 S&W barrel on an Encore. Download it to 45 Colt speeds for reduced recoil and it will work well to 150 yds. As you get older and can handle more recoil, you can bump up to 454 Cassul velocities or full power 460 loads.

  • @Clayman5577

    @Clayman5577

    10 ай бұрын

    Those are common boltguns

  • @nospam3409

    @nospam3409

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Clayman5577 Most of them are, but I've not yet found a manufacturer making a 6.8 SPC bolt gun or a 460 S&W bolt gun. To my knowledge, Howa and CZ are the only to chambering a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel, and they are hard to get.

  • @MrBubajunk
    @MrBubajunk10 ай бұрын

    Way back in the 1880s ? LOL Great Videos as usual !!! Thanks for sharing .

  • @patrickbelongea6896
    @patrickbelongea68969 ай бұрын

    100 gr Hornaday interlock at about 2700 fps. Varmint bullets dont leave a blood trail.

  • @suemeade2471
    @suemeade247110 ай бұрын

    I want to point this out. The 454casull and the 460s&w are both sammi rated for 65,000 psi. And the new 500 bushwacker is also rated for 65000 psi. From word of mouth i heard that the freedom arms revolvers are tested to 80000+ psi. The bushwacker is the strongest cartridge designed for a revolver a 320gr hawk bullet at 2600+ fps and a maximum power of 5400 foot pounds from a 10.5 inch barrel. 500 s&w for example can get to about 3200 foot pounds on the extreme.

  • @arthurshingler2025
    @arthurshingler20259 ай бұрын

    Agreed! JAEGER name used for a military designation is odd!

  • @derekbeyers8804
    @derekbeyers88047 ай бұрын

    Great video. This is response to Shane's question. There are 44 mag bullets made by Bear Creek Ballistics that at pointed with a good bc. U may have to single load but they give great numbers on paper. Hope this helps.

  • @nospam3409
    @nospam340910 ай бұрын

    On a 44, or any other revolver, you loose a LOT of pressure and velocity from the cylinder gap. My dad and I both have 44 mag pistol barrels for our TC Contenders. Mine is a 10", and dad's is a 16". A hot "carbine" load using H110 and 240gr XTPs gives roughly 1950 fps from both of our barrels. FYI, the 44 mag reloading data for a revolver is different than data for a carbine/TC Contender (or Encore).

  • @desperado8605
    @desperado860510 ай бұрын

    Shane fellow Hoosier here and trucker as well. Buddy of mine hunts with 45-70 yes they trim the brass and it works just fine bullet just isn't seated as deep as normal

  • @ratdaddy7774
    @ratdaddy77749 ай бұрын

    Ron there is a shortened version of the he 45 70 called 45 SILHOUETTE loading data can be found in cartridges of the world and from the look of it it has quite an edge over the 44 mag, also there is a shortened version of the 4570 called 4560 and can be fired in the 4570 with no trouble because the cartridge headspace on the rim

  • @christianborghi7544
    @christianborghi75449 ай бұрын

    Hi Ron , I’m Ambidextrous and my eyes work by which eye has the clearest view , as soon as one has something in front of it the other eye becomes dominant, which is great for everything except looking through a scope , I have to close one eye or I don’t see the crosshairs. I find closing my right eye easier then my left so I shoot left handed

  • @larsrodbok1285
    @larsrodbok12859 ай бұрын

    I am sure you didn’t hunt IN the national park. I was a ranger there, around that time (early 80s), and you must have hunted the national forest, or private land adjacent. Love your vids, brother!

  • @arthurshingler2025
    @arthurshingler20259 ай бұрын

    If you shoot your arrow up high enough, you might notice a difference in that earth rotation stuff, as long as you don't accidentally hit the moon!!

  • @Lord-Snowflake
    @Lord-Snowflake10 ай бұрын

    Sighting a bow, just as with a rifle, is effected by the altitue it's been sighted in at. always check your zero before a "hunt"

  • @coreymoyers5771
    @coreymoyers57719 ай бұрын

    As a photographer, I love the photo. However, the bright white almost looks to be backlit on your reach and dark exposure settings for your live stream. While it is an amazing image, it draws the viewer's focus from you to the image. You could edit the image to bring out the browns and make it blend more, but then it wouldn't pop as much. If you have another picture with more browns and greens, it will work better with your existing studio. The fox pelts look great. Why not put a trophy mount where the picture is? Furthermore, if you have a lot of mounts or a lot of local friends that do, you could rotate a different mount into every video. It would give hunters another reason to view every episode.

  • @thehoneybadger8089
    @thehoneybadger808910 ай бұрын

    1. The "S" in IS or JS stands for Spitzgeschoss, which roughly translates to "pointed shot or bullet". 2. The first Mauser-designed smokeless cartridge was the 7.65x53mm for the Model 1889 Mauser military rifle designed for Belgium. It preceeded the 7x57mm Spanish Mauser cartridge by 3 years.

  • @EdQ76

    @EdQ76

    10 ай бұрын

    Correct. The „IS“ designation was added when the 8x57 was switched from a „ball“ to „Spitzgeschoß“ (Modern pointed bullet)so people didn’t accidentally load the higher pressure IS Cartridge in a rifle that wasn’t safe to use it in.

  • @johannesvanhoek9080

    @johannesvanhoek9080

    10 ай бұрын

    Spirepoint Spitzer

  • @anthonykaiser974

    @anthonykaiser974

    9 ай бұрын

    Right, and unknowing Americans probably interpreted it as J for "Jaeger" because that's "Light Infantry" in Germany, Austria, probably Swiss German, and is commonly borrowed into other languages.

  • @billhendon1017
    @billhendon101710 ай бұрын

    That’s cool information!! Thanks mr Ron !

  • @seanhenke1507
    @seanhenke150710 ай бұрын

    I believe it is the nickle content in SS Barrels that displaces the carbon steel preventing a rustable metal to be incorporated in SS Barrels

  • @scottstruif3939
    @scottstruif393910 ай бұрын

    Proper length of pull and comb height are essential for accurate shooting.

  • @MoxieFirearms
    @MoxieFirearms10 ай бұрын

    For 14yr old, Savage Axis compact in 7mm-08.

  • @dragonflyfab9703
    @dragonflyfab970310 ай бұрын

    Scope manufactures had the wisdom and forethought to put the second most used adjustment where it would be convenient for left eye dominant shooters.

  • @scruffyarms
    @scruffyarms10 ай бұрын

    Hi Ron, I am recently a big fan of the 7.62x39 for my kiddos. Not a long range caliber but in our Ruger American Ranch we are good out to 200 yards. I try to keep our kiddos with 75-100 yard shooting lanes and with a break it recoils just more than our 22 LR. So after watching my kiddos they prefer that to even the .243! Also a benefit is it os a .30 caliber!

  • @charlesperry1051
    @charlesperry105110 ай бұрын

    My youngest son is right eye dominant but left handed. We did just as you suggested. Before he started shooting we checked to determine his eye dominance. He learned from day one to shoot right handed. He took to it just fine.

  • @01nmuskier

    @01nmuskier

    10 ай бұрын

    My son is left eye dominant/right handed. He shoots left handed and does great wing shooting and rifle shooting. It's definitely the way to go.

  • @anthonykaiser974

    @anthonykaiser974

    9 ай бұрын

    Good call. As a lefty with a right handed/left eye dominant father, and me a guy who likes classic Mausers, I envy the right handed folks.

  • @danielbell4007
    @danielbell400710 ай бұрын

    Ron, I’ve got a trick to train to overcome eye dominance. I’ll see if I can get a video made and tag you in it. It really helped me and helps a lot of the soldiers I work with.

  • @jerrymartin5100
    @jerrymartin510010 ай бұрын

    260 Remington is my go to for an older hunter, 308 does fine also, 243 for a younger shooter is almost perfect.

  • @old_and_slow5471
    @old_and_slow547110 ай бұрын

    I was always right eye dominant with perfect vision on both eyes until I got glaucoma. Now I have lost most of my vision in my right eye, and had to learn how to shoot rifles left handed. I found a scoped .22 cal pellet rifle shooting rats (preferably taking head shots) worked great for the retraining. Unfortunately after shooting archery for 48 years, I don't do that much anymore, since I have trouble finding my sight pins through the string peep with the right eye.

  • @TheGoldenBear79
    @TheGoldenBear7910 ай бұрын

    Yes Sir, it’s the chromium content that makes it a “stainless steel”. It’s not necessarily exact but usually 14% or higher chromium content is stainless steel. When I worked at my favorite knife shop we always told customers it’s called stainless not stain proof steel for a reason. Thank you Ron. I always enjoy hearing you sharing your knowledge. Best wishes to you and your family.

  • @anthonykaiser974

    @anthonykaiser974

    9 ай бұрын

    Yes, and I believe the carbon content determines whether it's ferritic (magnetic) or austenitic (nonmagnetic).

  • @Hunting4knowledge
    @Hunting4knowledge10 ай бұрын

    I have variable dominance. Maybe I was right eye dominant and my vision has deteriorated on that side? Both eyes battle for control constantly and is the most frustrating issue aiming. No matter what I see 2 fingers or 2 circles. When I think left is in charge, right takes over and vice-versa. Only thing that helps is turning my head almost 90°

  • @johnkaraphillis754
    @johnkaraphillis75410 ай бұрын

    Enjoyed as usual. Thanks Ron!

  • @philpayne5313
    @philpayne531310 ай бұрын

    Great picture, grew up in Loveland just "Down the Road" from Estes Park. Youth rifle I can approve of is a savage axis youth/compact my son started on one in .243 he out grew it but we added a Boyd's stock. That rifle with 65g Hornady vmax and 100 Hornady Interlock handloads under and inch. If I had it to do all over again I would have went 7mm-08 but it is really sweet

  • @chrisanderson7495
    @chrisanderson74959 ай бұрын

    I'm one of those screwball with no real dominant eye. I shoot a rifle lefty, and my compound righty. And yes, I shoot both well.

  • @philjohnson2708
    @philjohnson270810 ай бұрын

    1.80” is also the 45-60 WCF also.

  • @hadleyscott1160
    @hadleyscott116010 ай бұрын

    My fav…. An old school Model 7 Remington. With the short barrel and in 7mm-08. It was a super fast extremely light 6 3/4 with a 4-12 Leupold. Virtually no recoil. But put down the Whitetails easily and fast.(East Coast) I played with the trigger and made it plenty accurate enough for 175 on down which in my area rarely happens except at the range.

  • @andrewpuckett5295
    @andrewpuckett529510 ай бұрын

    My middle child got his first Deer with a single shot, my oldest kid wants to take one of the Ruger's out this fall, and I have been training my daughter on the Stevens 22LR.

  • @charlessavoie9332
    @charlessavoie933210 ай бұрын

    As always great advice to the young hunter

  • @lukehanson5320
    @lukehanson53208 ай бұрын

    0:39 Engagement for Estes Park!

  • @dougmccoy1260
    @dougmccoy126010 ай бұрын

    My hunting buddy has a 458 american. It has a 2in brass.

  • @bdlit7165
    @bdlit71655 ай бұрын

    Variable eye dominant here. It works mostly fine with long guns. Handguns and traditional bows on the other hand...well theres ways around it, if you work at it enough. It is fun though, when you have two distinctly separate groups.

  • @dickdykstra2234
    @dickdykstra223410 ай бұрын

    Hey Ron, a guy I cut timber with years ago had an old 8mm Labell or something like that. I am not sure on spelling but it was the only one I ever saw. It had a case that looked like a short mag case. Have you seen one?

  • @poorfatman5317
    @poorfatman531710 ай бұрын

    Wow I never knew you was around in the 1880s

  • @Rockhead75
    @Rockhead7510 ай бұрын

    Just make a good shot with any of the smaller caliber rifles and your good . There are many good starter rifles and at almost 50 yrs old I go to a .223 and have shot 2 of the biggest bucks in my life ! Shot a .338 win mag for 25 years and am just tired of all the hype .

  • @johnwurfel2862

    @johnwurfel2862

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep. Dead is dead. Arguably it takes more precision and skill to harvest game with smaller calibers. I respect those that do, and I'm not sure why others ridicule those that can do more with less.

  • @Eiflerisch
    @Eiflerisch10 ай бұрын

    Frequent misunderstandings often occur regarding caliber designations, such as "S" being interpreted as "spitz" (pointed). In the 8x57IS cartridge, the "I" stands for "Infanterie" (infantry) and the "S" denotes "stärker" (stronger). In 1887, the Mauser company received a contract from the German army to design a new infantry rifle and its corresponding ammunition, following the introduction of the first nitrocellulose-based cartridge in France in 1886. The 8x57IS cartridge was developed and replaced the previously used M/88 (8x57I) in the German military from around 1904/1905. It remained in use as standard ammunition until 1945. The original 8mm cartridge (8x57I) was equipped with a 14.7g full-metal-jacketed round-nose bullet. With the introduction of the 10.2g pointed bullet, the neck area of the chamber was enlarged from H2=8.99 to H2=9.08, and the groove diameter increased by 0.13mm from 8.07 to 8.20mm (8x57IS). The larger projectile proved to be more accurate and less damaging to the barrel. The powder charge in the rimless case with an extractor groove remained the same and was not increased. To safely fire an 8x57IS cartridge, the barrel must have a rifling depth of 0.15mm (groove diameter 8.20mm). On the other hand, firing an 8x57IS cartridge from a barrel with a rifling depth of 0.1mm can potentially cause barrel rupture due to the larger projectile (groove diameter 8.07mm). The bullet diameter changed from .318 to .323. The land diameter remains the same for both barrels. Greetings trom Germany "Waidmannsheil"

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk289 ай бұрын

    I've studied this Coriolis effect in the past, and there's a more technical name for it, but I was surprised to learn recently that it claims that the Coriolis effect will always move the bullet if you're shooting north or south in the northern hemisphere to the right. And that I don't believe can't be so. If you're shooting to the north, and the Earth is spinning in a counterclockwise motion, the bullet should actually move to the left or to the west and if you shoot to the South that should also move to the West. There are other things that might affect that like the windmill effect as the bullet flies further it maintains whatever upward angle you originally fired it at and it will start to Pedal itself in the air. And I'm wondering if that's where they're getting the idea that it moves to the right because most bullets and rifles are spinning to the right. Would you please correct this. Because there's another physics issue in effect and I cannot remember what it is but it has to do with the angle at which you fire uphill or downhill which is why you always have shorter drop to distance because of the angle your shooting.

  • @arthurshingler2025
    @arthurshingler20259 ай бұрын

    Commission Rifle.... Model 88. 1888 was when the so called 8mm or 8X57 was developed. So the 8mm was first.

  • @blakevangundy9562
    @blakevangundy956210 ай бұрын

    beware 8.6 blk is a reloading headache.(posted loads from q are a little high/OP btw), you have to wildcat the brass, prefferably from hornady 6.5cm or win 308 win. ( or u have to neck turn), and u also have to use copper , locked, or bonded bullets when going supersonic, or else jacket seporation occurs from high rpms. 240k/1000fps and then bc of the velocities normal bullets wont expand at range. custom bullets are the way to go or copper ttsx, cx, or ,t rex, hammer makes a specific super and sub, as well as gorrilla making factory ammo and 2 others. some are expanding subs some are fracturing. best best are the expanding that dont shed pedals, thus cutting more tissue with the spin and pedals (opinion)

  • @jamaicanlumberjack
    @jamaicanlumberjack10 ай бұрын

    Quick question about single shot rifle accuracy: It seems like the generally accepted method for accurizing a bolt action is to bed the action and free float the barrel. Obviously, neither of these options are available to a break action single shot. I am wondering what your recommendations would be for increasing accuracy for these guns? Modifications to the gun? Specific way to hold the rifle to avoid changing pressure on the barrel? (my gun is a CVA hunter in .243)

  • @swampdonkey3278
    @swampdonkey327810 ай бұрын

    7mm 08 for kids is a great starter caliber i have had very bad experience in southtexas with the 6.5 creedmoor

  • @warrengreen3217

    @warrengreen3217

    10 ай бұрын

    I dont believe that its just talking crap 6.5creed is a very good deer round im from western Pennsylvania farmlands we got big body whitetails and my 6.5creed kills just the same as my 30-06,308,303British,30-30 shot placement and deer hunting bullets and its all the same

  • @swampdonkey3278

    @swampdonkey3278

    10 ай бұрын

    @warrengreen3217 im not talking bad about it i use it for doe hunting in the late season but i only do head and high neck shots with it. We have used just about every different bullet made for it and different weight size but with kids we have had to track so many deer and have lost several and these kids made good shots so my suggestion for a kid would be to go just a little bigger and get the deer that they shot

  • @warrengreen3217

    @warrengreen3217

    10 ай бұрын

    @@swampdonkey3278 its not my favorite round but there's nothing wrong with it killed many with right behind shoulder or shoulder shots it right in that 260, 7mm08, 308, class all got close fps and energy so how could it not be a great deer round

  • @warrengreen3217

    @warrengreen3217

    10 ай бұрын

    129 to 140gr interlock corelok or a SST or a bonded bullet like powermax or fusion in the pump house you should never lose a deer and are does are bigger or same size as your bucks so I dont see how your losing deer things happen might see one that got away but multiple deer lost that got to be human error

  • @swampdonkey3278

    @swampdonkey3278

    9 ай бұрын

    @warrengreen3217 my personal favorite is a 22-250 and i have never losts a deer and the 6.5 creed we have losts several and i know it could be that its was kids shooting it is understandable but i have have a very bad experience with it and i understand you have have a very good experience with it

  • @ridgerunner6211
    @ridgerunner621110 ай бұрын

    All of my kids I have started them out with a single shot .410 then on to a single S 20ga also with a rifle they stay with a Single Shot .243 and now my daughter is going with the CVA Scout SS in the 350 Legend. Once they master the single shot then they get to go to a pump shotgun and a bolt action rifle but this is only if I feel like they are ready for advancement. My first gun was a Mossberg bolt action in .410 and my first rifle was a Remington bolt action in .243 I loved both them guns.

  • @charlesschenck911
    @charlesschenck9119 ай бұрын

    That alphabet is called "fraktür". It is thermal equivalent of "Old Englisch". The "I" stood for Infanterie.

  • @poorfatman5317
    @poorfatman531710 ай бұрын

    When I was 12 I love the 30 on 6 I was a small fellow only weighed about 75 pounds And the recoil was not bad That's been a lot of years ago

  • @stuffjerrydoes7603
    @stuffjerrydoes760310 ай бұрын

    I have a Savage model 1899 in 38-55 that I "wildcat" in the same way some have done with the 45-70. I trim the case to 1.79 and use it for deer hunting in Michigan. Shoots great to 100 yards with a Lyman aperture sight.

  • @bkb5668
    @bkb566810 ай бұрын

    I have two Cz 527 carbines in 7.62x39 one youth and one adult. Both rifles are super compact and punch way above their weight. I have shot a large cow elk 150 yards with a 154gr. bullet and it acted like it was hit with a .308 win to be honest, she took about 5 steps forward and then three backwards and fell over. The hit was double lung and top of the heart and exited . I have also shot a big mule deer buck (50 yards), same load, it was In it’s bed and it stayed there. The bullet went through upper leg bone and three ribs on the entrance side and two ribs on the exit with a tennis ball size hole,also no bullet recovery. The .308 win or 7mm-08 if your big kid, 6.5 or .243 for lighter framed shooters. Do not discount the 7.62x39 for medium game up to 450#,and out to 200 yards,Thanks for the video

  • @JamesJones-cx5pk
    @JamesJones-cx5pk10 ай бұрын

    My nephew used to hammer deer near and far with his single shot, Rossi .243. A Rem. Model 7 in 243 or 7mm08 might be perfect.

  • @MortuusTyrannus
    @MortuusTyrannus9 ай бұрын

    475 Linebaugh was created by shortening a 45/70 case. And a 480 ruger is a shortened 475 linebaugh so I guess you could use either of those cartridges? 🤷‍♂️ I know ruger made their No1 rifle in 480 ruger. I own a 480 ruger revolver but Ammo is almost impossible to find. I handload though so it works for me.

  • @philipfreeman72
    @philipfreeman7210 ай бұрын

    If you actually mike your slugs , & try them on the bore you may get confused . Here in Thailand there is a maybeso Vietnam noodle shop with bone broth , it tastes great .

  • @philipfreeman72
    @philipfreeman726 ай бұрын

    The American 8x57 - .323 ammo load is downloaded to be shootable in .318 bore guns.

  • @clintonlayne9253
    @clintonlayne925310 ай бұрын

    Ron if I was to recommend a rifle cartridge for a 14 of medium frame. I would suggest a 243 or 7mm08 and the 350 Legend in a Bolt action Savage Axis 2 . The CVA Scout rifle is a affordable single shot and would be a good choice as well.

  • @cenccenc946
    @cenccenc94610 ай бұрын

    I grew-up mostly bird hunting, 410 to 12 gauge. At 12 years-old I was only 110 pounds, tall, skinny. I never thought the recoil on a 12 gauge was was a big deal, unless I failed to get it fully on my shoulder. So, I have been baffled by people spending so much time worrying about recoil in rifles, when a 12 gauge is like 30-06, more or less. However, I did find the kick on "light" rifles and shotguns, to be kind of counter productive, if the idea was reduce recoil for women, youth, recoil sensitive. Wouldn't you want a (bit) heavier rifle, for less recoil?

  • @suemeade2471

    @suemeade2471

    10 ай бұрын

    I think it's a bit weird too. I have a cheap in both ways 243 that weights less than 4 pounds. Not fun too shoot and I got a few bruises from running my uncle's reloads. For me I can't really shoot well with a rifle under 5 pounds. ( my 12 pound air rifle trained me in heavy rifles. But .5 inch groups offhand at 40-50 yards is the tradeoff for that weight.)

  • @ilijadjenic5565
    @ilijadjenic55659 ай бұрын

    The correct catridge designation for the 7,92x57 IS-infantry spiked catridge.The JS tag is an error. PPU 8x57 is psp bt 175gr.He is a very,very much so good patron...dont ppu sp 196 gr...that is not valid,does not retain mass and is inconsistent. Ron,may you be alive and well!!!

  • @ronladuke7235
    @ronladuke723510 ай бұрын

    The belt was only used because the 375 h+h had such a shallow shoulder angle it probably would not consistently head space?

  • @MrGsteele
    @MrGsteele2 ай бұрын

    Hi - just a data point: the "J", which is really an "I," stands for Infanterie, or infantry, rather than "Jaeger" - as the Mauser rifle chambered for the round was issued to the German infantry. It's used to indicate the .318 diameter bullets originally loaded for the caliber. The "S" was used to differentiate between those original long, heavy, round-nosed bullets - loaded early on with the hot, barrel-eating Poudre B single-base powder - and the later, larger-diameter (.323) lightweight spitzer point bullet ("Spitzgeschoss") that was used to take advantage of the more powerful double-base powder that came available, resulting in a vast improvement in muzzle velocity and flatter trajectory. American-made 8mm ammunition is downloaded for "insurance" purposes, and is somewhat puny as a result; the reasoning is questionable, but lawyers hold sway. Why is that? Well, the original, very old Mauser rifles had shallow rifling that was eaten up quickly by that hot single-base powder and the long hard bearing surface of the original round-nose bullets - whereas later rifles, in order to add life to the barrel and delay the need for replacement, were made with .1mm deeper rifling groove diameter. But: German contract barrel makers, stuck with original groove-depth barrels still in inventory, sold them on to rifle makers right up to WWII - so even a later rifle can have a barrel with shallow grooves. As a result, if you fire a .323 bullet in a rifle with a shallow-grooved barrel (they all have the same bore diameter - .311), you get a pressure excursion that could damage the gun and/or shooter; the older .318 groove diameter requires significantly more bullet deformation/swaging of that size bullet than the later .323 groove diameter. Five thousandths may not seem like much, but it is, especially with hard-jacketed bullets. And some surplus ammo is steel-jacketed. You might argue that there aren't many "old-barreled" Mausers out there - but you'd have to argue with corporate lawyers - a horrible thought. That gives rise to the recommendation that if you have a military Mauser, it's worth doing a Cerrosafe chamber/throat/barrel portion cast to verify what chamber shape and groove diameter you have; if it is one of the newer barrels with deep grooves and larger throat, you can use the hotter rounds that really show off the power of the 8mm, rather than the wimpy, lawyer-approved popgun rounds. How much difference? Well, popgun rounds are 196 grain at 2,182 f/s muzzle velocity, for a muzzle energy of 2,072 ft-lbf; full-power rounds are 196 grains at 2,592 f/s muzzle velocity, for a muzzle energy of 2,923 ft-lbf. That's a HUGE difference in velocity and energy. It's worth finding out, and being an informed shopper. I hope this contributes to your excellent videos, Ron, and thanks for bringing up the 8mm - a great hunting round.

  • @norbertodisummo5022
    @norbertodisummo502210 ай бұрын

    But before that they had that other rimmed 8mm. I got some with the original paper warp!ping

  • @MysticDonBlair
    @MysticDonBlair10 ай бұрын

    I have never hunted youth before. 😂

  • @Cats.Hammers.

    @Cats.Hammers.

    10 ай бұрын

    Taste like chicken apparently???

  • @DasGoodSoup

    @DasGoodSoup

    10 ай бұрын

    Atleast we dont have to worry about PDF files in this community 😂

  • @tsufordman
    @tsufordman10 ай бұрын

    Stainless barrels, easy to maintain the exterior, more of a pain to clean the bore.

  • @fedup3582
    @fedup35829 ай бұрын

    Isn't the 45-70 sammi pressure about 28000, and the +p loadings for lever actions about 43000?

  • @justinfletcher7630
    @justinfletcher76308 ай бұрын

    For young shooters I swear by a 6mm rem I like the .243 but I got a Ruger m77 6mm,and maybe it's just perfect for me. But me and my father have both never missed a shot with it and my dad's longest shot was short of 400 yrs but only by about 12-15 yards and even at that distance it jumped straight up came back down took two bounds directly at us and it just collapsed and no other deer has run any further maybe we've just had great luck but now we both sweat by it and that's with 100gr corelokt. All kills are white tails does and bucks

  • @arthurshingler2025
    @arthurshingler20259 ай бұрын

    I think 1.8" is the case length.... from what I've heard.

  • @donaldrussell4218
    @donaldrussell421810 ай бұрын

    My first deer rifle was a 742 Remington in 30-06 i was in the

  • @donaldrussell4218

    @donaldrussell4218

    10 ай бұрын

    Fifth grade

  • @MoxieFirearms
    @MoxieFirearms10 ай бұрын

    For 1.8" 45-70, what about 450 Bushmaster?, 450 socom?, 454 Casul, 460S&W magnum, 45-60. I have alternating dominate eye. To shoot straight I have to close my left eye. Pistol trainers tell me to shoot with both eyes open. I could never shoot straight if I did.

  • @allannantes8583
    @allannantes85839 ай бұрын

    What is the heaviest load you can put in a modern built Winchester model 1886 (made in Japan Muroku). In other words can that rifle in 45-70 Govt. handle the maximum SAAMI pressure and bullet weight. That gun is a reproduction of the Winchester model 1886 in 45-70 Govt.. I am assuming that it is as strong as the (Ruger built) Marlin 1895.

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk289 ай бұрын

    The J was added to the Latin language in the 1600s to differentiate the Y sound when it was a consonant as opposed to the Y sound when it was a vowel. The English decided to pronounce it as a soft G because the English can't even figure out how to pronounce their own language, much less Latin.

  • @donaldrussell4218
    @donaldrussell42188 ай бұрын

    My first rifle was a 742 in 30-06 I was in the fourth grade.i shoot it just fine.

  • @jamesfarmer63
    @jamesfarmer6310 ай бұрын

    I use my Henary 45-70 government 325gr bullet for deer hunting here in GA & a 500gr+p hard cast for black bear & brown brown and it has the same power as the 458wm

  • @jasonlopez4855
    @jasonlopez485510 ай бұрын

    It matters how old 12 Year old anything in -08 cartridge is good what I hear from my kid's now there Older. I never had someone tell me to go smaller cartridges I was just told to go bigger is better. I like the S.S. 🔫 is the something to cover the barrel for the rain my dad would put a piece of tape on the front of the barrel to stop the rain or twigs from getting in the barrel.

  • @Levithehoff
    @Levithehoff10 ай бұрын

    Hi Ron I'm new to hunting and your videos help me a lot. I'm choosing my first deer cartridge I have a bit of a recoil flinch what would you recommend I live in colorado

  • @anthonysarver95

    @anthonysarver95

    10 ай бұрын

    243

  • @pixel5m908
    @pixel5m90810 ай бұрын

    Ron how was the hunting done in 1880 ?, Cristian from Romania, huge fan. not a hunter dow.

  • @jameswhitaker1324
    @jameswhitaker132410 ай бұрын

    If I were 14 today, my 52yo self would tell me to just buy a savage axis II or 110 or a ruger American or something similar in 6.5CM. I hate to say it, but I think 6.5CM will be on the shelves of all the gun stores, in many different choices of loadings, for decades to come. It will do the job for anything you want to hunt in North America and good old chamberings like the .270, 243 etc, might not. They’re already getting thin on the shelves and, if history teaches us anything, that will only get worse. Besides, you’ll buy more rifles in the future. For the record, I don’t own a rifle chambered for 6.5CM. Not yet anyway, but .300 savage has suddenly become unobtainium as has .30-30 and I feel .243 and .270 aren’t likely too far behind.

  • @lylewalters909
    @lylewalters90910 ай бұрын

    ok wait Ron I know ur a few years older then I am but you took that picture back in the1880's, lol ????

  • @robertpickardjr9239
    @robertpickardjr923910 ай бұрын

    What about someone that has it move the same distance to opposite side depending on which eye they close?

  • @EAZY-ME
    @EAZY-ME10 ай бұрын

    What if both your eyes express dominance? This happens with me. If I shoulder a rifle on my left shoulder and use my left eye I shoot a little better because I slow down more and think about basics more. But if I shoulder a rifle on my right shoulder and use my right eye the right eye automatically becomes dominant. I shoot the same groups at the same speeds. If I go fast my groups open up no matter what side I'm shooting with left or right. However I use glasses and I cannot leave both of my eyes open during firing or the actual shot. I have tried these and several other exercises and I cannot establish dominance. Is this considered ambidextrous eye dominance? I do feel just as comfortable soldering a rifle on my left using my left eye but I get the same results shouldering right and using right eye.

  • @shamrock5725
    @shamrock572510 ай бұрын

    1880s!? You look great for being over 100yrs old. 😅