Well, this one went off in a few directions. It seems fairly confirmed at this point that the Emperor is beginning to if not return, then strengthen his presence. The real question though is - if he returns, what form will it take, and more importantly what will it mean for humanity. What is the Emperor's long term agenda, is he a positive or negative force, has he lost all sense and care for human concepts of morality long ago? Tell me your thoughts. ENJOYED? PLEASE DO LIKE THE VID.

@bulgora

Жыл бұрын

I love your videos, man! Watching right now! Thank you for all the hard work!

@grosstoastie1216

Жыл бұрын

I'm so excited, you always put out some of the best quality videos. I can't wait to see this masterpiece. :P

@4bschaum

Жыл бұрын

as long as he doesn't look like my dad when he returns its all cool

@jtjames79

Жыл бұрын

It kind of makes sense that if the warp is unbalanced, a warp God of law & order makes sense.

@mawgraw4297

Жыл бұрын

The Emperor is a positive force for humanity. That being said, I think that him returning would turn him into a 40k Rand Al'Thor, unless he were allowed some serious R&R first.

GW owes you massive commissions. Just myself and my friend group alone have spent well into the thousands of dollars on plastic crack as a direct result of becoming invested in the 40k verse from viewing your content.

@cosmictreason2242

Жыл бұрын

I think the technical term is commission but I get you

@earlgrey2130

Жыл бұрын

Honestly.. i think GW is to a large degree carried by its fanbase today.

@Ed-rg4do

Жыл бұрын

mate, GW reward him by allowing his videos to stay up. that's as close to gratitude as he'll ever get from them. lol.

@Error-mn4el

Жыл бұрын

@@Ed-rg4do on what grounds would they be able to shut his videos down? discussion of the information from their books? GW shutting down lore channels would be disastrous for them

@Leaf8823

Жыл бұрын

Why spend on gw when they just constantly insult thier fanbase.

History teacher : "the barbarian invasions put an end to the roman empire". Luetin's son to classmates : "be aware this is widely speculative".

@georgea7336

Жыл бұрын

Or....."mind you, this is established thinking and not necessarily the R word"

@jon5620

Жыл бұрын

And Luetin's son is actually right, just like his dad always is

@PJOZeus

Жыл бұрын

I mean honestly it's not wrong We can't trust a thing we're told nowadays

@jetstreak2786

Жыл бұрын

@@PJOZeus The Roman Empire collapsed almost 2000 years ago and has nothing to do with "what we're told nowadays."

@ethanpaton

Жыл бұрын

Byzantium survived for another thousand years....

“Before we get into the last few pieces…” says Luetin, 22 minutes into an hour and twenty minute video. Love it!!

@tomoda7602

5 ай бұрын

yeah i double checked how far into the video i was..i thought SURELY im not already an hour in am i?

The duality of the Emperor is quite fascinating and the prospect of him being reborn as some kind of god is both wonderful and terrifying. Much like 40k as a whole.

@abuchawarmaelmergazi6663

Жыл бұрын

if it was all his plan from the start and if he knew what was going to happen then the imperial truth was probably just way and a tool for him to kill all possibly competing religions and deity's so that he alone is worshiped in the entire galaxy after the heresy and so he can max out his powers as a god (because every one in the galaxy worship and only worship him) , so maybe there where no duality's after all.

@silverfox9107

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think you’re using the word duality correctly there

@FuSiionCraft

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, since he was *definitely NOT* a man-god-thing

@ohamatchhams

Жыл бұрын

@@silverfox9107 More like multiplicity, although duality within the context of Emperor vs the 4 chaos gods/Chaos Undivided can be aptly used as he's on the route ascension to become Warp god of order to combat the existing Warp chaos gods Although the multiplicity adds to the facts that there's other powerful Warp entities considered and have powers to be typical definitions of plural gods as well, from Gork & Mork, Eternity Well (which is something even Tzeentch fear to get even close to), the potencies of Eldar Pantheon to be revived via Isha, Ynnead conduit, remaining shattered avatars of Khaine and also the plans of Cegorach to rebirth the Eldar Race via aformentioned bringing Ynnead into reality and heavily messing up chaos gods' hegemony/status quo

@andy7666

11 ай бұрын

The Astronomicon already has an avatar formed in the Warp. Appeared to Abbadon when he was first refound and was creating the Black Legion.. Was rather feeble but was an aspect of the Emperor right there. Appeared as a frail old man. A fragment of the power of the Astronomicon anyway.. They blew him away naturally, much to the chagrin of his occultist brother marine who saw a potential fount of incredible knowledge and future scrying, destroyed rather casually.. I think he would be reborn 💯 If aspects of him already appear it makes sense.. Miracles, the saints, the legion of the Damned..

Brother Luetin, you have helped so much with my depression and anxiety, especially at night when it's hard to sleep. The Omnissiah bless you for your diligence and passion for 40K!

@paulhabasescu7602

Жыл бұрын

Get well soon mate 🤗

@kaidorade1317

Жыл бұрын

Praise the Omnissiah!

@paulrichardson9506

Жыл бұрын

I hear you, same for me fella. Hang in there, I'm trying too

@limitlessapocalypse2702

Жыл бұрын

Praise be to you friend, you your mental state be healed and regrow anew.

@cadehalcyon1731

Жыл бұрын

Stand stalwart brother, and remember! There is triumph at the end of the grim darkness! Also, please note if a bald dude with a book tattooed on his face starts spewing random alternative facts at you, DO NOT LISTEN TO THE WEIRD BALD MAN! :D

I love hearing more theories and thoughts about the Emperor. It's hard to find characters as deep and conflicting as he is. Every time he's on the page he just takes over the scene completely.

@hegaliandialectics4289

Жыл бұрын

thats what I always loved about big e. He is a god emperor and a god emperor would command all attention be it from enemies or allies.

@BWatskins

Жыл бұрын

He is after all the Master of Mankind if he didn't have the presence of a God he wouldn't be the Master of Mankind. So much he hides and says yet nothing is shown the enigma and revelation

@Michael-bn1oi

Жыл бұрын

He really isn't that deep. Obfuscation and secrets are what make him a compelling figure. I hope we never get answers because they will never be as interesting as the questions.

@jakemocci3953

Жыл бұрын

He’s 40k Trump

@fs5866

Жыл бұрын

He gonna make the imperium great again

Here's a bit of fun fan speculation from the early 2000s 40k resurgence, evocative of "The Emperor's Daemons" by the individual known as "Brusilov" from Warseer. (Amusingly, these 20-year old conversations are based upon background from 30-year old materials!) Anyway, the gist was to view the Emperor as a Trinity: * The Corpse * The Child * The Twin "The Corpse" is formed of the physical remains of the Emperor that sits upon the Golden Throne. Back in the days, this was suggested to be the fragmenting "Many Mind" of the Shaman that created the first New Man. This was the entity that you encountered in Watson's "Inquisitor" (which you note as problematic). "The Child" was the Star Child--the soul and central power/psychic energy of the New Man. On the other hand, "The Twin" (or the Dark Twin) was the warp god that is formed from the worship of the Emperor. It is the god of vengeance, purity, and murder. It empowers the Living Saints. It's the source of power for Imeprial apotropaism. In essence, "The Twin" is the old Warhammer god, "Malal". Let the fun ensue. :D

@FuSiionCraft

Жыл бұрын

Oof, yeah that's old Since Malice is older than the Emperor being in the golden throne and, mind you, higly speculated, to be the 2nd primarch But it doesn't invalidate the fact that there should be a warp god represented by/being The Emperor

@driplerthadripper

Жыл бұрын

Just like all the biblical references this is the Holy trinity parody

@Kashis_Corner

Жыл бұрын

This makes sense hey

@scionofdorn9101

Жыл бұрын

Messy, garbled gibberish.

@TARS..

Жыл бұрын

bible parody

I do think it's time for 40k to enter a new chapter. The rebirth of the Emperor would bring back old fans in droves. But you would need him to occupy the same narrative space as he always has. The rebirth in the warp allows him to continue to be an icon and a presence without actually having to make many physical appearances. And it finally, finally, moves the story forward in meaningful ways.

@CheffBryan

Жыл бұрын

I bet the Star Child won't be him, but a result of ten thousand years worth of growing power and subjugating minor chaos gods and creates a local pocket in the Warp in order to create a separate being. Most likely would consume the Astronomicon at the same time, creating an opposing version of the Eye of Terror and Tyranids are pulled towards it while chaos incursions move to the dark imperium

That ending unironically gave me chills. I have truly become the 40k nerd I used to mock.

@omareliskandra4048

Жыл бұрын

Things I want to take away from this guy of whom is likely a highly intelligent high school physics teacher, is to give things a great deal of thought with as much initiative as possible, and to go back on various ideas again and again as you gain more knowledge or develop new ideas. Throughout my entire life, I’ve been actively trying to improve my own intelligence through the use of these ideals.

@jaakkoylinen2585

Жыл бұрын

You gazed into the abyss.... And abyss gazed back

@sneakysquirrl708

Жыл бұрын

@@NS-mr2zh🥰

@sneakysquirrl708

Жыл бұрын

@@jaakkoylinen2585🥰

@sneakysquirrl708

Жыл бұрын

@@omareliskandra4048🥰

It seems the Emperor gave his wayward sons MANY chances to redeem themselves and to prevent him have to "ascend" the golden throne. Seems pretty clear he did not want to be a god but now will be.

@JimboDoomface

Жыл бұрын

LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO

@bacalegeorge4333

Жыл бұрын

I truly believe that becoming a god was his literal last resort

@Jack-kn1mr

Жыл бұрын

@@bacalegeorge4333 Considering how he santioned Lorgar for worshiping him as a god....I would say yeah that's probably correct.

@InsomniacDoggo

Жыл бұрын

He also burned Lorgar's homeworld and let all of Angron's slave friends die. and dont even get me started on Conrad. So Idk about all that. If he didnt want the heresy to happen he sure did a lot to make sure it did.

@Jack-kn1mr

Жыл бұрын

@@InsomniacDoggo Big E's greatest failing was his failure to understand his son's humanity. He assumed because they were his sons that'd they'd share his perspective and maybe had they been raised by him they would have. But they were not raised by him. They were raised by mortals, normal humans with the perspectives of normal humans and so they valued things normal humans valued. Things like faith, family, and friendships. Things that maybe at one point he too valued but were forgotten over the countless eons he lived.

People need to remember just because someone saves you doesn't mean they're good people. Motives and context matters.

The work you are doing for the community is indescribable, Luetin. You go to such depths and ask questions from a perspective that I don't think many of us have or have even considered because we are so focused on one part that it is simply does not occur before those questions are asked. You make the Emperor such an incredibly fascinating character. Keep up the absolutely phenomenal work, my man. Your uploads are pure joy.

I love the horrifying aspect that could be: He didn't plan or want any of this, no long con for godhood. And the thing being born in the warp is a Daemon reflection of himself, waiting for him to die so that it can consume his soul.

@synctrox9679

Жыл бұрын

No no no thts too rough

@jacobturnerart

Жыл бұрын

The human empire is pretty hellish. The Emperor isn't far from Daemonic already.

@BIOSHOCKFOXX

Жыл бұрын

Too many chaos gods exist, there is none for humans. There should be an Emperor revival who can stand against chaos gods. Sounds pretty fair to me.

@thelordz33

Жыл бұрын

If that's the case, he got everything he deserved

@landotucker

Жыл бұрын

Personally I like to believe its a benevolent doppelganger of the emperor created by mankind's collective faith, and there's a good spot in the warp somewhere that gives the saints their powers

I believe that the reason Malcador states that "The Emperor was not the Emperor before me" or whatever was because the man who was the to be the Emperor had yet to fully embrace his psychic self and via Malcador he was able to gaze deeper into the Warp than ever thought possible before where he found the answer to the question he had asked Malcador and the reason Malcador had combined his powers with Neoth: Q: How to preserve humanity against this vile warp threat? A: Conquer the very stars themselves. and imo Neoth got this message from the only person he could trust; his own future self which would have to be who leads humanity into this age which would end up being The God Emperor. In much the same way that Big E described that his foresight is great but flawed, that he can see his end-goal and how to get to it but not the consequences of trying, it could be understood that Big E did not foresee the consequences of stealing knowledge from the Chaos Gods, or more likely refusing to fulfill a promise to bring worship of the gods to every corner of the galaxy. Plenty of times Big E had his own foresight not work perfectly so I'd imagine once he realized that the source of that power is his own future self as a chaos god reflecting backwards through time to speak o his own present self and guide itself into actualization he was far too along the process to turn back or ever consider wanting to. Big E as we know his is effectively his own Daemonhost

Maybe that's what the two lost primarchs found out. The Emperor's ultimate plan.

A challenging and thought provoking triumph of story telling. So many deep cuts and subtle references, so many questions and unknowns. An incredible video. 40k lore at it's best. Thank you.

@Luetin09

Жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed. Im just settling down to watch your 5K Tau v Death Guard :D

@Mikester88

Жыл бұрын

You two should totally do a collaboration with a lore podcast/episoded/discussion! Would love to hear you guys speculate over stuff.

@novaprospects

Жыл бұрын

After following you both for years, this is as surreal as it is cool to see.

@Toombs71

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I kinda feel like an Imperial guard standing around when Dorn and Sanguinius were getting ready to fight back during the siege of Terra

Your one of the very few KZread channels, I get genuinely excited for, everytime I see a new video is dropped. Appreciate your work, and effort, and for brining me into the warhammer universe some 18 months ago.

@RickBomhof

Жыл бұрын

You're = You are Your = Yours (possession)

@novaglow1466

Жыл бұрын

I agree so happy when I see a new vid

@screaminghairyarmadillo

Жыл бұрын

​@@RickBomhof no one asked Rick

@RickBomhof

Жыл бұрын

@@screaminghairyarmadillo Consider it a free service in the betterment of mankind

Your quip near the end about living to see this bit of story concerning the Emperor takes me back a couple of years ago, when Kentaro Miura, creator of the manga Berserk, passed away while the manga seemed to be nearing the home stretch. Thankfully he had left notes behind for assistants to be able to pick up and see that story, which he had started in 1989, to it's conclusion.

Considering all of big E's plans included betraying the people who help him the most (Thunder warriors, the Mechanicum) i'm convinced the Primarchs were the bargaining chips the Emperor offered to chaos for information, they only turned on him when they realized he intended to betray them. I'm guessing that's why he kept the secret of Chaos from the Primarchs because if they knew it could be possible that Chaos would have learned of the Emperors impending betrayal much sooner. I'm betting his plan was to use the golden throne with Magnus as the unwilling sacrifice upon it to bolster the webway enough to cut off the flow of souls to the Warp an starve off the ruinous powers. The golden throne was always meant to sacrifice Pyskers as a source of power so either the Emperor always meant for him or Magnus to sit upon it in a permanent fashion and since he straight up tell Magnus that it was going to be him that kind of narrows it down.

@benjaminghazi787

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t they have to modify it for that after Horus wounded him??

@GhostOfSnuffles

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminghazi787 Nobody knows what modifications they did in those last minutes but the mechanism that sacrifices Pyskers was always part of the machine.

@MichaSennin

Жыл бұрын

this is actually a nice thought. thanks for sharing!

@TheSpicyLeg

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminghazi787 Yep, which blows the theory right out of the water. It also makes no sense. By all accounts, the golden throne is miserable. An absolute nightmare. Why would the emperor place himself upon it when he could simply die and be reborn as a perpetual.

@user-yq3fz9ch5q

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheSpicyLeg it's the Astronomicon, and the warp gate he's powering and protecting.

I love how you brought up Maiden Worlds as an example of looking at things from other perspectives. It's easy to villify the Eldar for butchering worlds seemingly at random, but from their perspective the Imperium colonized and polluted their most valuable planets. I'd love to see you explore the 40k universe from the perspective of other factions. This setting is fascinating from every possible angle!

@chriscarnell859

Жыл бұрын

If only space marines weren't so popular...

You were my first introduction to the 40k universe, and now youre one of the only channels that I watch anymore! Thank you for everything you do :)

@guyfromthe80s92

Жыл бұрын

Luetin was the first 40Channel I watched, and I find its the only one I can listen to . All the others have more or less insufferable delivery. Not only is he good at 40K, but hes very good at podcasting/lore in general. I'm pretty sure I would enjoy any topic he would cover. Anything from stamp collecting to spatulas.

@piotrd.4850

Жыл бұрын

@@guyfromthe80s92 Have you tried Oculus Imperia? Guy is amazing wordsmith writing and reading in character.

@Thebettermartyr

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@guyfromthe80s92

Жыл бұрын

@@piotrd.4850 I had a look. Great writing but not so good delivery.

45:18 I see Luetin decided to sneak in a FFXIV image and make us think it was Sororitas.

The quality, the detail, the passion, the effort. By the throne every upload a masterpiece. Thanks for single handedly carrying the 40k Communtiy.

Perfect time for me to listen to while going to sleep. Thank you for all the awesome work you do, it means a lot to so many of us!

@serbronnoftheblackwater798

Жыл бұрын

Bump

@Luetin09

Жыл бұрын

Its midnight in the UK, but thankfully not in the US lol

@smilingbandit6900

Жыл бұрын

@@Luetin09 1.5h behinde you on your left^^

@ragmt09

Жыл бұрын

until the loud outro music wakes you up... @Luetin09 please release a version of videos with no loud sound effects?

@ragmt09

Жыл бұрын

@@Luetin09 until the loud outro music wakes you up... @Luetin09 please release a version of videos with no loud sound effects?

Now THIS is something I've wanted to get further into - this, and the King in Yellow. Hopefully that's tied together.

@Luetin09

Жыл бұрын

You might laugh but I actually recently bought the original King in Yellow book - not 40K - to see if it has any interesting cross references

@matthewharris7012

Жыл бұрын

@Luetin09 I'd be surprised if it wasn't! Has it had anything referenced? Long time lover of the channel Luetin. Thank you for getting me and millions more into 40k. 💛

@Darksaint1989

Жыл бұрын

@@Luetin09 I would never laugh at Loremaster's in-depth research. That would be downright blasphemous.

@jdog2k4

Жыл бұрын

Lovecraft King in Yellow?

@akai9-ball404

Жыл бұрын

Wait that sounds like a heresy ?

This is the kind of video which you watch and listen with your finger hovering over the Inquisition speed-dial button and I love it!! Thank you for the awesome work you so Luetin!! We really appreciate all you do!!

The depth here is awesome. I can’t be the only one who thinks that when Luetin says he’s off the rails, the content is just as captivating.

@elitereptilian200

Жыл бұрын

off the rails Luetin is the best Luetin..

Luetin my man. Your content output is truly extraordinary. Hats off to you. Been sharing these with friends new to the setting and they’re eating them up.

All hail the WH40K lore master for dropping another masterpiece

If the Cabal knew that Horus would cause a full-scale intergalactic war against chaos, it stands to reason that the Emperor himself *definitely* knew. If he knew then so too did he know all, or at least the vast majority of outcomes in relation to this. He absolutely wanted to be interred on the throne, nothing else makes sense. Given all we know about his abilities, especially his unrivaled ability to perceive time and the events within it, this *has* to be a calculated maneuver on his part. The only real question, is what does he know that nobody else does?

@andrewlopezmp3

Жыл бұрын

I’m interested in how you take all these things about the emperor as given. From my reading of master of mankind, it seems his prescience is far from infallible and that Horus turning was a possibility he never considered deeply.

A theory that has been... coalescing... For some time with me is that the Emperor was in fact truly a 'man of science', looking to eradicate religion and the Chaos Gods (perhaps the Golden Throne was a weapon, the souls sacrificed to a healthy psyker to keep them strong throughout the psychic eradication). That the Emperor was truly broken after his confrontation with Horus, and essentially just became a barely sentient bonfire, kept alight by daily sacrifices, watching, as the Imperium became what he hated, watching, as Roboute saw what he had become and instead of helping, left, watching as the prayers that humanity threw into the warp manifested into their own new God, the God-Emperor. Not him, but a warp-creation he had inspired, all whilst he burned and burned so humanity could 'see'.

@robotnikkkk001

Жыл бұрын

.....REALITY: THE CHILD IS BASICALLY EMPEROR'S PERSONAL ALL DAY LONG WALKIE TALKIE TO HAVE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH GUILLIMAN AS OLD METHODS OF HELPING PROVED INEFFECTIVE DUE TO PLAGUE WARS DUE TO GUILLIMAN'S DENSEITY =ON EMPEROR'S PLACE,I WOULD DO THE SAME,BECAUSE OF ALL THESE FACEPALMS WERE INTOLERABLE

So here’s an out there thought: what if the Emperor has been acting like a sort of Infinity Circuit for the psykers being sacrificed to him? As I see it he could have looked at a god like Slaanesh, both how it was born and how it feeds, and used his own psychic abilities and technology to essentially back door into apotheosis, mechanically extruding and consolidating human psychic power and forcing it into a god shaped mold, essentially

@HTWW

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's a far out there thought. I think it is very much plausible. Granted, I'm biased: I came here to suggest in the comments that these psykers are an implicit confirmation of the Shamanic Origin theory and that through those now again separate fragments Emperor engraves himself onto the Warp. Your suggestion completes the picture for me: he creates circuits for himself and for humanity. Well, at least, that's what I'd like to think. A thousand psykers for a thousand shamans. Would be neat, no?

What a joy. 2 1-hour videos in a row. Thank you Luetin!

"Have you ever moved house" I had to set down the box of kitchen goods I was loading into my car to listen to that again. Proof Leutin is a follower of Tzeentch.

wouldn't it be hilarious if just before the emperor awakens they pull the plug and kill him and just nobody says anything and nothing changes.

The enthralling thing about 40k is the different theories. It’s like our own ancient history, lost in translation and subject to bias. Love it, keep it coming

When emp speaks to custodes in master of mankind novel he says 'i don't know what comes next' after the webway got messed. 'The board is set' short story the emp sees da future and makes a new plan. The fury of Magnus story when he is chatting with Olivia, he shows his plan to her, of sitting on the g-throne forevz. He knows his victory against Horus, means an eternity of sufferin, his sacrifice to humanity. Then he says when darkness is at the max, the heroes will return. So he already made his new plan before the heresy ended.

I woke up in the middle of the night after like 3 months of not being on youtube and the very first thing I needed after some water was a Luetin video. Thank you so much for this one

It would be really grimdark to see emperor become a horrible warp entity like the chaos gods. It fits the setting just right

@piotrd.4850

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, Chaos Gods nurturing entity that would supersede them makes kind of sense - in that way, they deny victory of all others in the Great Game.

@TheDJOblivion

8 ай бұрын

What if he was so vile, so chaotic his very existence dissolved the other chaos gods, leaving him alone to rule there as well, but he still has a soft spot for man, expanding their psychic powers. We no longer explode, and we can do a lot more force-like powers.

"The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!"

GODDAMN IT LUETIN.....I was about to settle down to sleep, and it's almost 1am. I have work tomorrow. Now i gotta stay up and watch this cos i won't be able to sleep after seeing the notification.

If the Emperor took all of humanity into the webway somehow, imagine how the Tau, Orks, Eldar and so many more races would take over humanity's worlds, creating a massive required war when humanity returned

"Things did go more slightly more Luetin than they needed to." Mate, things "going Luetin" is what keeps people coming to your channel.

You forgot to mention Guilliman being resurrected from the point of death by the Emperor, after Mortarion infected him with the Godblight.

@nickcarroll8565

Жыл бұрын

Saved rowbooty from the perfect illness, but didn’t save Horus from the athame.

@kuafer3687

Жыл бұрын

@@nickcarroll8565 what 10k years of psyker juice does to a mf

@thebluepaladin

Жыл бұрын

@@nickcarroll8565 that's just evidence of how much more powerful the emperor has become

@craigstobbs9215

Жыл бұрын

Tbf looks like he didnt know Horus had been stabbed. He couldnt of saved him because he didnt know lol

@Probablyafed

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t he light nurgles garden on fire too?

May he return and lead humanity to yet even greater heights! Thank you for the years of incredible content! Every upload is an instant watch!

@Vaille32

Жыл бұрын

I am Alpharius.

I personally love when the script goes off in different directions, your spot on Col. Kurtz brings up some thought about his and the emperor's relationship with brutality and morality. Great thoughts that paint a bigger picture of the wh40k universe as a whole!

It interesting how in older videos on the emperor, the final sentiment was often a variation of "the emperor can't be trusted, and surely if his goals were good, and he was as powerful as claimed, things would have gone differently". Yet now, as we begin to see signs of his influence, and the puzzle pieces start to form a picture, a perspective begins to arise that before was only raised as an "but we can never know". The perspective that, while his goals are still uncertain, and his character is still uncertain, it is fairly clear that his power is not. He, or his essence, is working towards something. And while I strongly doubt Games Workshop will give us a definitive conclusion any time soon, we might just be approaching the beginning of the final battle.

I've always wondered if the Emperor is on his way to becoming a new version of A God in the setting. A warp God but anchored in the materium, capable of empowered his followers beyond the need for the warp (see the mircles of the soraritas inspite of that whole black pillar thing) whilst also being an incredible power within it. One could argue this power he grants the soraritas sooner reflects the potential abilities of the c'tan over what chaos can provide, and the emperor himself exists still as a powerful entity both in and out of the warp. In a weird sense, he feels to me as a sort of bridging point between materium and immaterium control.

Your quality and professionalism are why I continue to come back to you, Loremaster. There’s one or two other channels I watch cause they’re very in-depth, but they have no where near the quality you do.

Somehow, the Alpha Legion will be involved in setting off the gigantic warp bomb that the Emperor is becoming. It’ll be like the birth of Slaanesh, but a negative effect contained within the warp, causing a great disruption to Chaos for a significant amount of time, giving humanity a chance.

If the Emperor really is that much of a monstrous mindset, and the veil gets torn back for some few, it goes a very long way to explaining things up to and including Valdor's supposed current workings and whereabouts.

@PeteCrutchfield

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean Valdors current working?? Where is this at? Any book to reference?

I swear, it really does feel like the Omnissiah speaks to me when I sense a video coming while I’m watching your videos. Absolutely never disappoints, please proceed with your heresy speak.

I can’t believe it’s been over 7 years since I found this channel when the first of the Emperor series got uploaded. Kudos to everything you do I love every video you post even if I know too much about the topic already I listen and enjoy it every time. Keep it up! Thanks for all the great stuff

'Necessity overcomes morality. Never without regret. Never without shame. Yet even immoral victory must outweigh moral defeat. The victor will have a chance to atone if conscience demands. The vanquished lose any such opportunity.' -Roboute Guilliman. Anyone can throw shade about morality within 40K around as much as they want, but at the end of the day when it's a fight for literal survival/the right to exist, I guess I am one of "those people" who would knee-jerk say yes to propping the Big E up for the sake of the many.

@mide2476

Жыл бұрын

Quite profound, and something to consider.

One idea is that of the emp becomes a god: it won’t really be him, it will be what people believe he is, a separate being even if it thinks it is the original emperor

Been waiting for another longform lore video from Luetin for awhile, very happy you got around to it! Thanks. I think there's no chance we'll get anything clarifying or not contradictory so I prefer Luetin's postulates more than what's actually available from GW

Time to go on a run, becoming enlightened by the lost primarch. I never thought this day would come. Another Big E video ha ha ha ha, thank you so much. You have no idea how much you have helped in life. You gave me something to look forward to when I was a broken, lost, and newly medically retired soldier. Thank you

Luetin hitting us with that closing line and outro music, truly the EMPEROR PROTECTS.

@Soloong_Gaybowzer

10 ай бұрын

Edgar Hopp - Gravitated

@heraclesno

10 ай бұрын

I was just about to reply to the other dude with the link but you beat me to the punch LMAO

Just some words of appreciation. I listen to your vids at least once a week. Started off as wanting more lore, then a daily sleep schedule KZread vid. Now all the time! Love it man

Luetin. I want to also direct you to the story in The Outcast Dead. At the end of the story the main character (the astrotelepath) has a conversation with the emperor telepathically before he dies. In that conversation, the emperor states that he can see the future and explains that it is like crossing a river. If i recall he states that he does not know how to get across, but he can see himself on the other side. I think that he can see a future where he is reborn as a god or he destroys chaos, but he doesn't know exactly how he will do it.

@CloudianMH

Жыл бұрын

he references this conversation in a previous video.

Starting with a quote from Horus...mmm I believe that inquisitor was looking for you Luetin. PS. Your outro gave me chills! Awesome!

I had a thought when you mentioned what happens with the throne if Big E gets up and leaves. And I recalled that Vulkan made adjustments to the throne at some point. in theory, that could be the throne being able to "switch over" from Emps powered(who is eating the psykers) to Psyker Powered(Pods directly feeding the now vacant throne) much like a hybrid car going from Electric to Gas and back.

44:57 kills me EVERY TIME. I need an audio snippet of just that.

@ssaiyyrissssuzzuyyaa

Жыл бұрын

😂😂same!

I was very surprised that they brought the star child back in the Dawn of Fire series. Took me a second to even remember what they were talking about but I don’t hate it. As for what will happen with big E I recall the conversation between Guilliman and the Cawl inferior. Something along the lines of “what went in won’t be what comes out.”

@nickcarroll8565

Жыл бұрын

I suspect he’s an amalgamated personality from all the souls he has consumed.

@ianharrison5758

Жыл бұрын

@@nickcarroll8565 yeah the emperor as he was when he sat on the throne the first time post his Horus beat down is probably only one of millions of personalities, or remnants of them. He may still have the most dominant will, but not all the time, or he may not and that’s why he can’t focus all of that power, he’s not in control of all of it

There are some points that happened in the Lore that you covered: - Magnus was implied to be the one destined to sit on the Golden Throne. And since Magnus is not a Perpetual, it would make sense. - "The Emperor flew into a rage upon hearing this, that he should be worshipped as a God" ~ Luetin, the bit where Lorgar was taking his sweet time, and the Imperium was curious why. If his goal was to become a God, why contradict that then? How many systems or worlds did the Imperium have to utterly annihilate after Lorgar created the religion about the Emperor being a God? You gotta admit that does make it harder. Why wipe out people that worship you as a God if that was your intention all along? And lets say he DIDN'T have that strict rule, then you can bet that everyone in the Imperium would treat him exactly like a God. Whats it matter? It still helps him in the long run. But he did have this strict rule. He found religion to be utterly abhorrent. He could've converted 100% of Terra before even launching his Great Crusade, and boom, you have not just a massive army & fleet, but they are religiously devoted to you. But he didn't. Why? Why make religion EVEN ABOUT HIM a crime punishable by death? It just makes no sense that "this was his intentions all along". I have a better bet IF he wakes up: He is utterly horrified, disgusted, and enraged. His imperium turned into the one thing he tried his damnedest to annihilate: Religion. And he seeks to do a cleansing. After that, you can bet that the Ecclesiarches as well as The Inquisition will believe that the Emperor's body was possessed by a Daemon, and then another Great Civil War will happen. But likely you'll ask "What about all the signs that the Emperor has become a God?" Ever considered the possibility that the Imperium as religious as it is, inadvertently caused another God to be born? Imagine the possibility of another Chaos God, but one that embodies everything that the Imperium believes about the Emperor. Is the Emperor dead? He very likely isn't. So how can he be on the Throne keeping Chaos at bay to where it has drained him to the point where looks like a corpse AND be in the Warp at the same time, without the Main Chaos Gods even noticing? From what I remember, you have to die to end up in the warp. And since he isn't dead, he can't be in the warp. I just don't see it. And the bit where held back when fighting against Horus, if he already knew, why hesitate? He was already pretty badly injured by that point. If you knew exactly what was gonna happen and you planned for it all to happen, What reason is there to hesitate? I'm of the opinion that he calculated things out as best as he could, but when events turned out differently than he expected, he was forced to wing it. Plus it makes no bloody sense to knowingly strengthen your enemy with more than half your Primarches and their legions.

@SpottedHares

Жыл бұрын

I like the idea that the reason the Emperors has such a hatred for religions is because he really is in fact a god.

@Bodwaizer

Жыл бұрын

Not even sure what constitutes "gods" in WH40k, because you have Aeldari pantheon and they said to be created by some means, and then you have orks that have autistic desire to worship Gork and Mork that was probably just programmed in them for some reason. Maybe "chaos gods" are just some naturalborn warp entities that somehow found a way to leech of off every sentient entity in the galaxy (or their local warp neighborhood as they call it). Maybe the Golden Throne is some ancient Aeldari device used to create gods, by sacrificing eldar just like what they do with psykers now, aren't they were a lot more potent psykers than humans ever had, including alpha+?

33:55 - " khorne berserker what a honourable fellow". That made me laugh

57:40 the soundtrack is so heartfelt and couragous. When it hits those notes on 58:12 is just fantastic. so full of life.

So this may date me, but I remember reading Ian Watson's Space Marine and the books that would become his Inquisitor's War trilogy when those first came out. I also read the first short stories they had with the Dark Angels being of a Native America theme rather than the European Knights they became. But, for Ian Watson (Jac Draco and his crew are some of my favorite in 40K) I was always struck with how Watson could make the human societies and inner monologues so familiar and yet alien to make the universe believable, a human society with advanced technology but built on fanaticism. Ordo Hydra and the Star Child in the Inquisitor novels fascinated me and the discussion with the Emperor I found to be disturbing (I was much younger at the time and used to Asimov and Heinlein). Thank you for the excellent videos!

Me when I started to watch Luetin: wow these are the perfect videos to help me with my insomnia Me now when Luetin drops a new video: omg I can’t sleep this is so good

Oculus Imperia's recent video on "Living Saints," brings up an interesting idea of Euphrates Keeler, the first Saint, that the foundation of the Imperial Cult is toske a billion Sigismund. To replace all emotions with hatred for the other, the alien the heretics. This pure hatred will be done in devotion to the Emperor. So, if the Emperor does become a chaos god, he will be the chaos god of hatred. Hardly the savior of mankind

Speaking of Golden Throne and Magnus - I still think that it was originally designed for him and PART of his legion. Imagine Magnus - possibly supported / guided by Emperor and/or Malcador on Golden Throne, free to roam the warp (in a way he present Calth to Ariman) while doing the thing, supported by 1-10k of psycher Astartes taking turns, but ready to do more massive rituals on demand anywhere in the galaxy. Imagine steadily growing network of hundreds of mini Pharoses / Astronomicons / Golden Chairs (build on same tech as Psi-Titans) covering ingress points to webway, having soothing influence on nearby warp, each manned / supported / protected by company (100) of Thousand Sons and associated services. All guided with residual effort by Emperor, powered calibrated and coordinated astropathically by Magnus himself atop of fully operational Golden Throne, with him and plugged Astartes being in higher state of awareness and exploring knowledge while managing warp. That would allow psychers to take turns, regenerate and have acceptable attrition rate, and be ready to boost it on demand. Imagine such array aimed at the Hive Mind in support of some Varro Tigurius....deploying kill squads / companies to Gomorroah .... having heart2heart with Etherals....trolling Gork & Mork....;)

@alexandres7356

7 ай бұрын

Viewing this video is the first time that this theory occured to me too but it so satisfying to have this setpiece fall in line. IRL it is most probably lampshading a plothole that arised once some writers/readers start to transform the Great Heresy myth into history, but The Thousand Sons have one of my prefered lore, so lets say hooray for another great plan of Him !

The best, most in-depth, and thoroughly enjoyable 40k lore channel in existence. It is always a pleasure to see a new video has been uploaded. Thank you

@joshuafischer684

Жыл бұрын

I think he just needs to edit his scripts a bit more. Spending 20 minutes equivocating about "it could be X or y or maybe even z" really gets old.

Excellent. Some quality future-dystopian speculationment is exactly what I needed to round off my weekend. Impeccable timing with this one, neighbour, thanks!

The Thin Red Line is such an amazing movie. One of my favorites.

My guess from your analysis is that: Big E really ended up in a situation he didn't fully forsaw,for that his Vision(as was time and time again pointed out canonically)is by no means perfect,indoncitional,reliable>There were other credible options for humanity to overcome the Strife>the Throne was but one of emergency means>Big E intends to join the Big Game as the God of Humankind. I really like your videos btw,feels quite refreshing to listen hours of lore after countless short videos that YT is overfilled with

One could wonder if the Emperor's full awakening into Godhood would result in an implosion that would shut the Great Rift; in contrast to Slaanesh creating a tear as they came into being.

@ianharrison5758

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s more likely he would just do the same as slaanesh just have it be under HIS control. So two great rifts, but one is all the emperors domain and the OG is the battleground for the 4 others.

That last part where you talked about the emperor taking his chosen of humanity into the web way to build a psychic empire over 10k years, sounds exactly like the yellow king

Wasn't expecting the dive into metaethics. Nice to see you bringing in wider philosophical topics into your videos.

The Star Child and the Sensei always sounded cool to me. In a galaxy setting like 40k it's like another layer of mystery and intrigue. I see no problem with their inclusion.

@skibobshipoddlypop

Жыл бұрын

I think it was a little bit too much like the Jedi in a setting which is more dark and sci-fi. They came from the "Space Fantasy" Era, where everything was very overt in calling creatures "Space Dwarves" and there was a half-elf Ultramarine captain. They were basically just Jedi and the Star Child was the force

@abdoul5176

Жыл бұрын

GW can reintroduce them refreshingly as they did with old lore. The Sensei and The Star Child have potential.

@scionofdorn9101

Жыл бұрын

I always hated the use of the term sensei. Too much weeaboo edgelordiness in it, and the Star Child is cribbed right from 2001 and 2010. I wish that storyline would die for good. Besides, we all know who the Emperor really is...he's Connor MacLeod of the clan MacCleod, of course!

@johndanes2294

Жыл бұрын

​@@scionofdorn9101 Sensei just means teacher in Japanese. Also what's wrong with the star child?

Ironically i think i've spent more time listening to luetin and reflecting upon his content than i did on my studies in university. Where is my bachelors degree in 40k professor luetin?

Luetin, seriously my dude. You have the absolute best 40k lore channel on the whole of the internet. I've had several friends ask about 40k lore, I just direct them to this channel. All they need to know in one place. Keep up the good fucking work, love this shit lol.

Honestly my guy, your work is absolutely outstanding. The way the threads all link together to form a cohesive idea whilst at the same time getting you to think that there is much more at play than what is at the surface level. S tier writing

Yo Luetin your breakdown of Kurtz is so well-explained. I've never heard it summed up so well.

The fact that the emperor isn't shown as either a 'good' or 'bad' character, along with the fact that we know next to nothing about his past, are some of the things that make him so compelling. You'd think the opposite would be true.

@MrBarnettcm

Жыл бұрын

This is a place where much good exist only less bad

What's unnerving is the realization that any step GW takes to answer any of this questions is a step closer to the Endtimes of the 40k universe (like in Warhammer Fantasy Endtimes). So yeah, we may be trapped here forever, and that may be a good thing.

Few can meander and still bring the pieces back together in such an approachable fashion, thanks for another stellar piece! I love how the Emperor is in many ways a reflection of the greatest and worst aspects of humanity, and therein is the chilling thought: even if the Emperor Returned is far more an embodiment of “positive” human traits, the sheer fact of his possible godhood could still make that ( more than likely cause it’s 40K) an unpleasant outcome for humanity. Loved the tie in with Appcalypse Now

I loved the Starchild theory, and I'm hopeful that they move in that direction. My take on the Emperor's will is that he saw the multiple paths and tried to find an upper hand for each eventuality, hence the chess game with the many moves. I think the path that left him on the throne was the only one left when all his other plans were torn apart, but still better than complete destruction. As with all the other paths there is an upper hand that the emperor has planned for. Perhaps in having to suffer the 10000 years godhood is a side effect he knew about, didn't want, but is better than the alternative.

@Frocophone

Жыл бұрын

Oooo, now that’s absolutely insanely BRILLIANT!

LOVE your videos.. the most terribly difficult thing is holding off on just listening to them in the evening and “trying” to save them for my work day while I drive! Literally the best listening on KZread.

Raven rock entertainment did some good video on the history of the imperium 2 years back, I recall them saying that big E was in a rush for the great crusade because he wanted to get as much done before the warpstorms that slanesh had cleared with its birth came back.

@MrBarnettcm

Жыл бұрын

Raven rock entertainment vacationed on Epstein islands so good work there I guess

Watching the whole video maybe what it all boils down to is the moment the Emperor predicted was the final battle between him and Horus where he would be victorious and lead humanity into its new Zenith. But when the final moment came he couldn’t bring himself to fight Horus with his full strength. Like a father holding back against his son. Everything the Emperor planned crumbled at the very real human feeling of not wanting to kill your own son. And then him actually killing Horus and being interned on the throne Id imagine he’d be depressed. He killed his chosen son after all. It depends on how you view the Emperor. As he always told everyone, He’s just a man, nothing more. And at the final moment even he was vulnerable to basic human emotions like familial love.

@PeachDragon_

Жыл бұрын

Except everything else in his story and interactions show that his emotions are completely under his control to the point that it's questioned many times if he even has them

@cormacphillips2585

Жыл бұрын

That's so sweet. Completely unfitting for the grim dark.

@FuSiionCraft

Жыл бұрын

@@PeachDragon_ and the fact he said himself they're just tools. Difficult to think of them as your sons when you know that they're 20 minor warp deities inside. Well, 19, since the 2nd might be Malice, so a full-fledged god now, not a minor one.

That ending was sublime. As the forces of Chaos seethe, after all is said and done, the Emperor DOES protect!

more than any other 40k media, this channel hammers me deeper into being a fan, great work as always.

I’m convinced the emperor was actually several historical figures. For instance, Hadad of Assyria was said to rule over Assyria and was 15 feet tall, made of gold and could live for an inordinate amount of time. Also his sigil was two stylized lightening bolts (much like the emperor)

I love to theorise that whilst the emperor is being reborn in the warp so are all the souls who died in his name, joining him there. Comparable to slanesh for the elder. I’ve always felt there was something more to the phrase ‘in death does duty end’. The idea that every human who has died in the emperors name gets to fight with him for the final battle in the warp. Potentially billions of souls against chaos. Thank you for another brilliant video, the philosophy that’s drawn upon is just fantastic. Cheers Lutin.

Before I watch a video, a few points shall I adress: first of all - FOR THE EMPEROR; second, I'm a casual fan of WH40k universe, so I take the lore stuff not that emotionally like a devoted member or a follower of Adeptus Ministorum; third and main point - I've gotten chills when I heard rumors about The Emperor possible return. That means something.

Love that rouge trader image on emps on life support. Even then you could see the endless line of ‘souls’ given up

@Glace077

Жыл бұрын

And the rogue trader one.

@Slann88

Жыл бұрын

Rogue lol

@famalam943

Жыл бұрын

@@Slann88 I guess this is as bad as the Holocaust eh

Maybe, just maybe,The primarchs started out as just tools, but in that final moment he regained some of his humanity. Becoming a father changes people even if they resist it.

That intro was really funny! Gotta keep the inquisition of your back! Fantastic video once again. Very much enjoyed it.

I kinda always assumed the emperor would come back at some point. I would love to see him stand up and be alive again like some future threat and he comes back when he needed most

@wateo1782

Жыл бұрын

Tyranid invasion on Terra.

@EddyOfTheMaelstrom

Жыл бұрын

​@@wateo1782 that could be possible with the way they are going with the Nids

@chriscarnell859

Жыл бұрын

I just hope it doesn't escalate too much because they can't do it indefinitely. If the emperor comes back where does the background go from there? Do some equally powerful characters (if that's possible) appear from other factions? Will it become 40K The End Times?