They actually talked about putting the 4.5L in an F150 production model. The break up of Ford and Navistar killed the deal.

Rumor had it that this engine was going to be offered in the F150 trucks back when these first came out. But as usual the EPA screwed us (as usual) and it never ended up on the trucks at all.

@jm-mi7kl

5 жыл бұрын

this POS was far, far too noisy to be acceptable in an F-150.

Thank you for posting this video because I was this close to buying this exact same truck here in Canada Ontario with engine coolant cylinder malfunction etc, and attempt to fix it,,I will not proceed with that thought. Thanks again

@UOttawaScotty

2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to buy one of these trucks as well

I like seeing this kind of comparison between different diesels even if I will never experience this situation myself. Thanks for posting!

Dealing with one of these now. Was running hot temp would go up to 230 fan kicks on then to 210 shuts off gets hot. @ cracked heads replaced still does the same thing gets hot. Stumped!

I don't know the particulars but I do know that it is considered a commercial vehicle just like the F650.

Theres a guy on YT somewhere who put a 6.0 in a jeep that he runs at Moab. Cool as hell.

In the gas world reducing back pressure will kill low end torque, but will pick up in mid range RPMs. As a kid I personally killed many a small block chevy, the key to making power is to have the intake, carb, cam, heads and headers all tuned to the desired RPM you want to run. I well tuned mild motor will out run far more expensive motors. I saw it and lived it. I was a serious drag strip rat and loved the run what you brung Friday night test and tune.

Pretty cool, I've never seen this motor before

(regarding my 7.3 oil pressure question), Thanks Bill. No more research needed on my problem. Melling M-208 it is. Thanks for your response, and I'll continue to send people to your site and videos. -Matt Mitchell from Prescott Arizona

Thanks. I've never seen or heard of this engine. It makes sense that they would use a smaller one. It seems like most of the little cab over trucks that I see around here are gas engines or Duramax. Good info.

Sure. The head studs are the same. The EGR cooler can be welded. the hard part would be to find the tuning to deal with no EGR.

Neat, they should have made this an F150 or 250 option.

Just realized you all in the same town I am. I have to come see you all! Good job on the videos!

I agree, the 6.4 is a can of worms. Every one that comes into the shop, I cringe because we fix one thing and then another goes bad. We have had good success repairing them, but I hold my breath every time. Very complicated and expensive.

2006 and only for a VERY short time. It wasn't long after that relations between Navistar and Ford broke down, so the 4.5L program was suspended.

You need to replace the Low Pressure Oil pump behind the harmonic balancer. Melling M-208 is the one to buy because it comes with a new housing.

Is it possible to do an engine swap to a 7.3 or 6.9 in these trucks?

I haven't seen one, but we will eventually.

I've got one of these in a cf600, it's a festering turd of an engine. My cover cracked too. I was able to weld it, it wasn't easy, but it was easier than the hundred other things I've had to do to keep this shitbox on the road.

It uses Navistar Service Maxx software with special 9 pin deutsch adapter using the Movimento NAV-Link which connects to USB. The cover also Cracks from trying to use bolts to force cover down to block. These are great to work on. Great money makers. Service Maxx has to be the crappiest software for diagnosing International trucks and Ford Medium Duties with Navistar engines. You're correct about International dealers. They are a bunch of A#$holes.

THANKS! your videos are great too I really appreciate it.

yea its a j1939 connector typical of a newer when i say newer i mean after like 04 for heavy duty just a 9 pin standard for a medium duty truck seems kinda weird dont it lol

Reminds of my 4BT Cummins. Only I just had to rebuild the 25 year old injection pump. Back on the road. haha... and yeah its in my ford f150.

@connerbutler1077

8 жыл бұрын

Always wanted to drop a 4bt in my 1991 d250

@Dirtyol12valve

8 жыл бұрын

Better to do a 6bt. My 4bt vibrates A LOT more than my 6bt in my dodge

@justhes

8 жыл бұрын

We don't really have that issue in our Fords. It's just loud lol. We have one in a crew cab and its just as if the old POS 6.9 was still in there only the truck can actually move.

@Dirtyol12valve

8 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's just the truck. Mines in a 79 ford 4x4. That things makes the whole truck constantly vibrate but it sure does run good. I was thinking about buying a bigger balancer for it, maybe that will help.

@justhes

8 жыл бұрын

The vibration i get out of my 82 F150 with a 1900 model 4BT is what the v8 put out at an idle. Having the valve adjusted properly and tuning helps I think.

It only works the body controls and ABS

Its not going to happen. it would kill Super Duty sales

Just worked on one of these LCFs that had a no crank no start. Ended up being a simple starter, A landscape company owns the truck and has a couple of them. They haul their mowers in them. Didn't know there was a 4.5 powerstroke. The starter looked the same as a 6.0. The local Ford dealer had a starter in stock.

@jooseman420

4 жыл бұрын

I did a starter in a 2010 CF600. Priced one out at International dealer and was $1800.00 CDN!!! Phoned up Ford Truck dealer and it was $600.00 CDN. And same starter as the 6.0L.

Thanks for the videos. We have a 05 Lcf 4.5 vt275. Has been diagnosed with hpop failure. Truck was shutting down while driving and starting right back up, then it was shutting down and not starting till it cooled down, then it just wouldn't start. Approx 110,000 miles . My question is while the mechanic and I have it apart what else should we do, can we egr delete it ( weld the cooler ends as per your other video, but is there 4.5L tuning available?) Should we pull and clean oil cooler and check it out? Inspect housing around hpop check for cracks. Anything else? Thanks for your help

At 4USD/g diesel fuel my customers get upset when they spend money on an upgrade and it loses fuel economy.

6.7 seems to be a good system so far.

@joeysprojects9081

3 жыл бұрын

This aged well! 6.7 is a great motor still

I've never seen one of these before. Is this an odd firing v6? Or does it have offset crank throws to make it even firing?

I dont know, but I do know that with the AC on it will barely climb the hill.

Have you ever had one of theses all the way apart ? I am building one right now . I discovered that the camshaft is made in 2 pieces , which have to be timed with some sort if timing pin . I haven't been able to find one . Our local dealership don't have a clue .

boyer ford mpls mn. good bunch of guys if you dont have a local med duty ford source id hit these guys up

I liked the video. Good info!

I would pull the injectors and check for a bad seals.

At $4/g diesel fuel my customers get upset when they spend money on an upgrade and it loses fuel economy.

You are seeing the same problem I have with parts. At work we have a International truck with the T444E 7.3Liter. Extremely similar to the PowerStroke 7.3 but many differences also. Here's the really screwed up deal. We have a Ford F750 with the Navistar version of the 6.0, The VT365. It looks like a FORD outside. A International/Navistar under the hood and depending on WHICH part you need, you may go to FORD, or you may go to INTERNATIONAL. This is a "Blue Diamond" joint venture NIGHTMARE!!!

Yes but an inframe is still $15k?

Yep its called a 6.0

I worked for a company that used one of these and I drove it a lot. It sucked and it always had head gasket problems or injector problems

Arent the very popular in brazil? Interesting motors

I think he was referring to the simplicity of the old two stroke motors. $15k seems a bit much, I don't know which Detroit motor you're referring to or what exactly is being done. Also, price depends on an after market or genuine parts.

I had a quick question for you on this particular engine. I have one that runs rough for first 10 mins lots of black smoke then works fine or it hydro locks then you have to wait 24hrs to start it again. would it be possible for injector to do this?? or which direction should i go. my solus ultra scanner cant scan this truck no engine light on either

I got one if these with head gaskets gone do you think the APR stud kit from the 6L would work on this?

Damn I want one for my jeep

I am considering buying one of these for my granite business. 2006, 140,000 miles. The reviews of this truck are so wide spread, I just don't know what to believe. I have always been told that the mileage is low for a diesel, but after doing some research, a lot of people are having problems around 100,000 miles.

@garcjr

5 жыл бұрын

We used to have some of these (VT265) engine delivery vans at my work a few years back. The contractors only had them around for a few months before getting rid of them.

Go to the ford dealer. Almost Every Engine part that a 4.5 and 6.0 shares with navistar engines has an international reference part number. Especially if it is a Blue Diamond part. Try to get a VIN from an International truck online and use it. Its worked for me. The main advantage of going to an international dealer is that prices for some parts are cheaper than from a ford dealer but NAVI won't want to help unless you have VIN or part number. Don't mention its for a FORD truck.

ford should put one of these in a f150 and puild a 2.3 powerstroke for a ranger

after working on this truck would you work on anymore if they roll in

this engine looks like it might be a good choice for an F-150 as an option

They thought about it but they already had the 6.0 debacle going on and another can of worms was not going to help.

It wasn't really the break down with Navistar that killed the Ford half ton diesel. As you can see, they already had a 4.5L up and running, and Ford is also capable of building a diesel themselves. The fact is, Ford Dodge and Chevy were all going to put small diesels in their half tons, and they all put them on hold right around the same time. The fear was that the half ton diesels would erode the sales of more profitable 3/4 ton diesels. Ford decided to go with the Eco-Boost engines instead.

i did not know ford made smaller powerstrokes.

Its a rebadged international just like the f-650

Looks like an OBD II port next to the round DLC, or is it not?

so what do you think of Fords 3.2L Powerstroke

Would this be a possible swap into an F150 (with proper modifications and such)? Do you see any other major hurdles in the swap besides the parts conflict that you mentioned?

@Bleachanna

Жыл бұрын

You don't want this

How many kms on the engine when you had to do the overhaul

@garcjr

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately these engines aren't worth rebuilding. The Navistar versions (vt265) are long gone. I'm guessing it's about 160000 to 200000 k's before it goes belly up.

Hardly ever seen any of these around here. They sell any better down there?

Hi Bill, Long time follower and I THINK I have watched all your videos! Quick question that I cannot find an answer too: When COLD, my 01 7.3 liter with 110K miles will not build oil pressure fast enough to STAY running when parked on an INCLINE.(nose UP!) It will start right away,oil pressure needle wont come up,and she will die after 5 or 6 seconds.Crank and crank and she will build pressure and start, or refill HPOP res, and she will start. On flat ground, no issue. Any help is appreciated.

@jamesringler987

4 жыл бұрын

What was the solution my has the same issue

Interesting! What is horse and torque with this motor?

how many miles ?

Yes they will work, but you will have 4 left over.

I know you're a powerstroke guy but i have a quick question about back pressure. I know people talk about about how you need back pressure in a engine and all so thats why strait pipes are so controversial. Im looking to strait pipe my Chevy 350 engine but i dont want it to just crap out because it doesnt have back pressure. Any thoughts or comments?

They should put that in a truck. Those things carry around 20k most days and don't even struggle.

So basically, I'm getting that this would be a bad choice to swap into a half ton?

Never seen or heard of a 4.5 power stroke

We had the International version of this Ford as our parts delivery truck. That truck cost our branch tens of thousands of dollars between, down time, repairs and missed sales - if ya can’t deliver the goods the customer can only wait so long. Needless to say several months after we replaced the complete air conditioning system, the turbo, the transmission and brakes, the engine had an oil pan failure. Good riddance International CF and VT275

why havent they put this motor in an f150?

Those engines are hard to get parts for

@cfnovak1

2 жыл бұрын

You are not lying

Are these okay or decently reliable engines?

@ぷらぐ

6 жыл бұрын

IDreamOfDragons O from what i see theyre actually decent!

WHAT THY SAY IS - WHAT EVER YOU DO MAKE SO NO ONE CAN WORK ON IT BUT BIG BROTHER RIGHT , OR THE BIG MOM AND POP RIGHT,

too bad the NPR gets 3MPG.

So where in the hell do you get parts for this engine,truck far as that goes???

HOW CAN THEY GET AWAY WITH BUILDING JUNK FROM NEW ?

@commanderofthenorth3348

7 жыл бұрын

IF ITS BY NAVASTAR ITS JUNK AND TIME THEY USE 4 HEAD BOLTS IB A DEISEA 4 BOLTS AROUNG ONE CYCLENDER IT DOOMED TO FAIL EXPECIALLY A HI PERFORMANCE DIESEL ENGINE , THAN YOU GET THE GUYS THAT NEED A BIGGER TURBO NORE BOOST LONGERINJECTOR SQRURTS AND MORE TIMING , ITS ALL JUNK , THE LAST GOOD POWER STROKE WAS A 7.S BEFOR DIGITAL ! ,SOOY FOR MY GRAMMAR AND SPELLING JUST GOT OUT OF HOSPITAL AND DONT GIVE A SHIT , dODGE DIESELS ARE FORED OWNED BUT UNDER CONTRACT CAN'T BE SHOE HOORNED IN A FORD , MY FORD f 350 IS A GAS ENGINE 11,4 MPG AND IT RUNS ! i HAVE ONE OF THE 6,0 IN OOUT AMBULANCE AFTER 3300 BUCKS IN PARTS IT WORKS FINE. GOT RID OF THE BAD STUFF ,EPA HAS REINED ALL OF THEE AUTOMATIVE INDUSTRY BECAUSE OD FRAUD !

@commanderofthenorth3348

7 жыл бұрын

if you want a great reliable engine in line 6 = to dodges 5.9 12 valve it a a Isuzu 6BB1 T they have them in boats to generators and i even have one in my Hitachi excavator ,this engine does nothing WRONG !

@alexmatthews2332

7 жыл бұрын

Ford has nothing to do with Cummins, for the millionth time lol...

Could this motor be put in an f-150

There is no such thing as good back pressure in a 4 stroke engine, the benefit from smaller exhaust pipes at lower rpms is due to a scavenging effect that allows more fresh air to enter the cylinders during valve overlap causing better low end torque at the sacrifice of top end power. An exhaust with a 2in pipe and no muffler is going to make more power everywhere than the same diameter pipe with a muffler. But if you increase pipe diameter you can lose some low end torque. Beneficial Back pr

should put one in a F-150.

Really wish Ford would drop the 6 cylinder Powerstroke in something like the F150. But instead they force you with a 3/4 ton and up in order to get a diesel. I see why people take a gas engine out an drop in the Cummins 4BT engine. But why spend nearly $12,000 for that when the engine produces very little torque and red lines at 2500 RPM. If Ford is watching this let me just say this...F150s will sell more if you drop in a diesel engine in it.

So strait pipes or no? lol.

In the end, it's a POS!

so it might be cheaper to find a machinist to machine you a new part?

It would be nice but I doubt ford will for that reason as the F150 IS the best selling vehicle ever.

Theres a commercial dealer in Greer sc I believe. But that's quite the trip.

try to make that part out of steel

never evn heard of this wow haha

No benefit that I could see. AND whole bunch of work.

Terrible motor. I've owned one for many years. Just can't afford to turn it.. it stays messed up

...... Why, ford? Why???????????!?!?!

Detroit's don't have all these problems.