At around the 17:49 mark, the narrator asked whether or not the ambient (outdoor) temperature will have an effect on the battery used to power the saw under test, which, in this case, was the Stihl MSA 220 TC saw with the AP 500 S battery installed. This question is a very good question that gets to one of the main downsides of battery-powered motors of any kind. Outdoor temperatures have a definite physical effect on how electricity flows. In general, higher temperatures increase the resistance to electron flow, and as the resistance increases, current flow decreases, which, in this case, means that the saw's motor will not spin as efficiently as it would under ideal conditions. Battery performance is also impacted by very cold conditions. It is widely known that electronic circuitry performs more efficiently under cooler conditions, but this is only true to a certain extent. The general rule is that electron flow will be adversely impacted by temperature extremes: be it high ambient temperatures or very low ambient temperatures. In short, modern battery tech performs very well under ideal conditions, but not so much when it comes to use in harsh weather conditions.

@DudeRanchDIY

6 ай бұрын

Very well said!

The two hooks on the back of the husky saw: one for the saw lanyard the other for the hook on the saddle. Made more room to easily hang it.

I not know about all those model's I have the Stihl 161T for over 3 years change I change the 25 cm bar for 35cm, have used and abused this little saw way over manufacturers recommendation so far it never fail.

Arborist here. Ive got the echo and it's joy to use in the tree. And will say the stock echo chain on them is dog crap and its like a safety chain think thats why its chattering a lot probaby be better with a better 3/8 low pro . That saw runs great on 1/4" chain and will power through 12-14inches no problem and is probaby the lightest here. I found the battery to last ages too, obviously it doesn't match those bigger saw for power but they are quite a bit heavier.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the echo for a pruning saw.

@Johnnyreengo

Жыл бұрын

Did you put a panther kit on it?

@Dolmar-Rick

Жыл бұрын

@Johnnyreengo yeah here in uk. I bought from the maker of those bars. At the moment, I've got a 10", but also got a 12" 1/4. Seems to handle that fine, not sure if 14" would be overkill for it. But it's not designed to do massive cuts, really, and chogging down big stems🤷🏻‍♂️

if you add cost into the equation i went with the milwaukee. only $350 for just the tool if you already have batteries for milwaukee tools then that's got the best cutting power for the price IMO. i have ran it on the 12.0 but also have ran it on my 8.0s and even 6.0s and had surprisingly long runtime while using it in a commercial setting while on job sites on the ground and up in the tree and it performs great. there is a clear window to see how much bar oil is left in the tank which helps remember to fill it when it gets low. it is a little heavy but for the price etc i cannot complain. nice video guys. take er easyyyy

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed using the Milwaukee and I already have the batteries

@w8stral

Жыл бұрын

If you are 8.0 and below this is for limbs only I have found. Any kind of chunks requires the 12. The oiler is also insufficient in that not ENOUGH oil is discharged I have found and the oiler is NOT adjustable which means you and I dear sir are screwed. I oil the bar before going up and it cuts MUCH better and now have to use expensive store bought oil instead used engine/transmission/gear oil. Another grip is any kind of greenery and the stupid idiot who made the bar attachment cover has it NARROW down and it JAMS full of leaves and it also jams with chips. Another gripe is Milwaukee PURPOSEFULLY made their bar slightly longer so one cannot just buy normal STiHL/ECHO chains theirs are 1 link longer and the saw comes with the pathetic safety chain which required MASSIVE filing to make it function decently instead of full chisel.

Absolutely awesome video! I appreciate the effort you guys put into it. 28:40 None of these saws are meant for full take downs. Echo + panther kit= Winner, IMHO

I know a lot of people here talk down on Ryobi, However as a upcoming arborist on a budget I bought the Ryobi 40v 12 inch top handle saw and replaced the bar with a 14 inch and I’ll tell you what that sucker is a beast. Not too many things it won’t cut through. I would like to see how it compares to other brands.

@DudeRanchDIY

11 ай бұрын

I’m sure it works well, they have come a long way

Enjoyed the video (although a little bias towards Stihl). I have both the Echo and the Husky. When it comes to limbing out a tree I go for the Echo. Light, well balanced and batteries last (I do have two batteries, but rarely have to go to my second battery). It carries so nice on my harness and works great with the petzl caritool (one hand in and out). I switch to the Husky for topping and chunking down aways...and then go to a more powerful rear handle. For me, the Echo DCS-2500T is the go to electric chainsaw for limb work.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Tried not to be biased, the Stihl was powerful but heavy and had some annoying safety features. My favorites were the makita, Milwaukee, and echo

@Jeromemarc

Ай бұрын

⁠@@DudeRanchDIYwhich Makita? I own the 2x18V version. The stalling and power from zero can be a pain. In the video also the 40V version stalled. But would you think it could be worth switching?

Cool collaboration, I’m always on the lookout for their vans and trucks whenever I’m working in the Boston suburbs. Small world man

I have the small Makita, it stalls easily!! Thanks for showing us these tests!! Im still not convinced on batteries for top handle saws!! Have a Great 4th of July Y'all!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

They definitely have their place, I’d love to use the stihl for a removal

Agreed on the Echo. I like it but it has limits. That's my small tree/pine saw. Love the Husky except for the back weight, makes it hard to hold to make a notch on the opposite side of a limb or top. The safety switch never bothered me.

One of the advantages of battery top handle saws is that you don't have to start with a cord while you are up in the tree.

@EitoZarzus-jf1pu

Жыл бұрын

Correct

@zaccheus

3 ай бұрын

Is that why they're called cordless tools?

The boost mode on the 18Vx2 Makita isn’t so much a different speed, it just (temporarily) bypasses the battery protection, allowing you to draw max power from the batteries. Meaning you can push it harder without it stalling. Especially useful when you need to cut some larger diameter wood. You can only run it in that mode for short periods of time before it switches back to normal mode.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Good to know! Thanks for watching

@danielreynolds6498

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it changes speed at all. Just gives more torque but really don’t notice much difference in the modes.

@frankv84

Жыл бұрын

@@danielreynolds6498 indeed, chain speed (without any load) remains the same as far as I know, but it doesn’t drop in RPM / cut out as fast when under load as it is allowed to draw more current from the batteries. I have a video on my channel that compares the 2 modes, it does make a significant difference.

@danielreynolds6498

Жыл бұрын

@@frankv84 iv been using makitia hedgers and chainsaws in my business I think there great tools.

If you are going to include Milwaukee and greenworks, you needed Ryobi's 40v top handle.

@stevennihipali3607

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Ryobi is looked down on

Being only a gardener, I don't use chainsaws that much. Most of my tools are Husqvarna, with a few Stihl's in the mix. I currently use a 455 Rancher for logging, and the odd felling. I also have a Milwaukee M12 Hatchet for limbing, which I find great. Having one tool that could do both would be nice. For me, the Husky looked the best all round!

The Stihl 220 seems like plenty of power, but the ergonomics and price are horrible. I'm a fan of the Echo 2500 for pruning and small removals. A narrow kerf bar and chain helps a lot.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they are pretty expensive, the echo was an awesome little saw

Saw another video on the Husqvarna saw Steele Loop as for the lanyard have a plastic one is to hook on your belt

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Ah that makes sense

Woww...keren boss

You guys did a good job on the video. As far as the saws go... i am not accepting less of a product for more money. I'll stick with dinosaur juice.

Good review, thorough handling review. Did not notice you sharpening the chains though or discussing kerf setup. Very important in battery powered saw. Nor any mention of oiling adjusability(though briefly) as you never were able to have enough hands on time with all of them. Can't have everything... =) I bought the Milwaukee and you guys missed a few negative things. Cover plate gets jammed easily as the idiot who designed it made the opening where twigs/leaves/chips go in LARGER than the exit for the chips, leaves... Pure genius, along with leaving nice big RIDGES inside the cover to block the chips. I haven't even had it in wet conditions and it is jamming. Likewise back ramp holds chips like mad. Its oiler is substandard leaving to HIGH friction and battery draining. Hand oiling helps quite a bit and you can hear the difference as well, MASSIVELY. Comes with garbage safety chain requiring MASSIVE sharpening and eliminating of the safety bumps to get it to cut fast. Literally cuts 2X as fast after filing. It is embarassingly slow out of the box.

I bought the new Rigid Battery Chainsaw and it works great. I even upgraded the bar from the stock 12" to a 16" and I do not see any battery differences.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Haven’t seen that one!

@user-id9ou2np8g

Жыл бұрын

That isn't a top handle though.

Oh boy do I want one of these! 😍 Great test!

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

They sure are sweet! Thanks for watching Andrew!

Why does no one evaluate the Kobalt 80-volt brushless 18" chainsaw with a 5-ah battery? - - I have (2) Kobalt 80-volt 18" Bar Chainsaws and use (2) 5 AH Batteries. Using it on a Southeast LA farm that was devastated by a Hurricane and has been working absolutely great even cutting huge logs and trees. For oil, I like to use Ryobi Bar and chain oil. We have cut 20"+_ logs and it works like a charm. And NO more pulling and pulling to start a gas-powered chainsaw. My first 80-volt 18" Bar Chain saw with a 5-AH Battery and charger was $400 in Jul 2021

@DudeRanchDIY

2 ай бұрын

Because it’s not a commercial grade top handle arborist saw like all of the others evaluated in this comparison.

@genemetz1945

2 ай бұрын

@@DudeRanchDIY - Thats true. I just don't see this saw being tested against others in its range of power and size. Would just like to be able to hear those kind of pros and cons about it and how it stacks up. (No pun intended) 🙂

Most of them have bms and bms are the area they heat up and needed to cool down cells can handle heat more than BMS

Loved the review. That Stihl 220 TC and the Milwaukee seem to be the best overall. Happy 4th.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

They were all pretty impressive, battery technology has come a long way

Why did you edit out the cutting with the Makita around 32:20?

I'd love to see a chain comparison 12" bars comparing cut speed between, narrow kerf 043 (1.1) 1/4 .325 and 3/8 and standard kerf 050(1.3)

@hartshorn95

Жыл бұрын

Full chisel

@hartshorn95

Жыл бұрын

Basically I'm just thinking there has to be a chain that is the most efficient for battery saws in terms of cut speed, stall prevention, battery drainage etc, people rave about 1/4 panther but the oregon/husqy .325 is suppose to be the new innovation and Stihl has there narrow kerf 3/8 for battery saw

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

That would be interesting to see!

@w8stral

Жыл бұрын

Uh, you are utterly confused. NONE of what you typed is KERF(cutting width in the wood). 1/4, .325, 3/8, .404 are LINK LENGTH! NOT kerf! O43 or 051 are NOT KERF, this is chain bar guide width for the TEETH fro the chain in the bar...

@hartshorn95

10 ай бұрын

What's your point these sizes come together and effect the kerf, they produce a narrow kerf compared to the regular sized counter parts

I own a Stihl and love it! You can operate it with one hand, it's great for the deer lease!

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I really liked the Stihl but they are quite the investment!

Great review guys, very informative. If I might add it’s time for some new shades Jake. You look like you’re wearing a 4ft x 8ft bathroom mirror on your face. Lol

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, safety glasses can never be too big. I don’t care what they look like, they’re ANSI z87+ rated, polarized, and have replaceable lens. They do a hell of a job keeping sawdust out of my eyes, that’s all I’m worried about.

@davidedwards3734

Жыл бұрын

@@DudeRanchDIY I agree after having cataract surgery. Cause I'm old, safety glasses are a MUST!! Send me the link again, please!!

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

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@andrewsamanthamadison3320

Жыл бұрын

😂

Love the sunglasses, style and safety in one package!

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I love them!

Too bad you guy's didn't have access to the new 60v dewalt top handle. That one looks like a beast and comes kitted with two 9ah batteries.

@DudeRanchDIY

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I don’t think that was out at the time we filmed this

Has the data been put online yet? I can't find the numbers. Great video with real users. Thanks guys!

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I don’t believe they have posted it yet.

@Kevin.L_

Жыл бұрын

@@DudeRanchDIY Thanks.

Great vid. Thanks

Every single time I see any sort of comparison video with a Milwaukee power-tool in it, the Milwaukee either wins easily or once in a very rare while it'll come up as a *very* close 2nd place. Each and every single time! Yeah, I'm going to standardize on Milwaukee's 18volt battery platform. I'm not a contractor, I don't work for one. I don't make money off of my tools. But I just want power-tools that'll last. I'm not interested in DIY homeowner Budget brands (we all know which ones I'm talking about), that are made from the cheapest components on the inside, no lube inside either, designed to work great when new; turn to garbage with use and time. Go out, buy another one. I despise disposable power-tools!

@DudeRanchDIY

2 ай бұрын

Milwaukee makes some really great products, very happy I chose their battery platform from the get go!

The other part of this test can be found here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4qJxMyqaZS9ZcY.html

Please, Dewalt Dccs674B review 🥺

what if you rigged up a belt pack of battery power? more for the bigger elec saws?? no batt in saw just a few on belt pack and a real nice flexible cord , twist lock 1/4 turn connector for quick disconnect. Neutrik makes them. i have tons of connectors and cable from doing live sound. if you want to build i have the parts to donate . i think the echo is the big dog of elec chainsaws?

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I suppose that’s a possibility, although for this commercial arborist application a belt or backpack battery would get in the way of ropes and harnesses

@w8stral

Жыл бұрын

How absurd is that statement? I do not know about you, but my saw is always on a lanyard and I have NEVER seen anyone in a tree without their saw on a lanyard... Do you honestly NOT have your saw on a lanyard in the tree????@@DudeRanchDIY

Awesome review 👌🏻🔥🇨🇦

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

Wonder if milwaukee's new pouch cell batteries will give it a boost.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

The big 12 amp hour batter gave it lots of power and runtime!

@TranTek

Жыл бұрын

Milwaukee doesn’t have pouch cell yet the most powerful Milwaukee battery are actually the High Output 6.0 those Samsung 30T cell can discharge at 50Amp easily with 2P - 100Amp

@jake-mv5oi

Жыл бұрын

@@TranTek yet. They're in the works. They're calling them "forge" batteries.

@w8stral

Жыл бұрын

Well, the pouch cells are MUCH cheaper is why as the High amperage cells are VERY limited in availability and high price due to high amount of cobalt required. @@jake-mv5oi

I61 fast only cos got small chain. A 151 with little muff mod faster than them all. I think

There seems to be a big performance difference with the Makita batteries.

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I believe he said one is newer technology and 40v

No Dewalt in your test ? Most people have extra batteries and chargers already ?

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I don’t believe their current top handle saw on the market is targeted towards professional commercial arborists which is why it wasn’t included in this test.

@eddiemortontapman7252

Жыл бұрын

I have 3 and they work well and having extra batteries and chargers really keep you working with no waiting .

@eddiemortontapman7252

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I did not understand the assignment, the price to a climber a cheaper climbing saw and they may already have batteries, I also bought a Ego 16” rear handle saw because I have extra batteries and chargers lots of power with a very big battery . A lot of times You have to start with less than you would like because of the Dollars until you can afford . But your show was pro battery top handle saws .

I got the Ryobi 40V due to being able to find a kit with a 4Ah for ~159$ new with carrying case. There are a few things I don't love about it (no captive nut, the sight glass is too opaque to see the oil level)... but it rips, so I'd imagine it has some mechanical influence from its M18 brother. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4Sjr8uxqLDIdM4.html

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I’ll check it out

I thought that looked like Scott A, then I remembered who your neighbors are....

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

You know all my friends…

Sorry battery only. But 540 hard to beat. Great vid thanks'

Sorry the little chain. Def dont hit the rakers or catch all day. Thanks

Rekon some the teeth to big for the chain speed. Jumpy' not smooth like the little pci

Forgot the ego

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

I believe they reached out to ego but they didn’t want to play ball

@Huzzunga

5 ай бұрын

I like my ego. It’s a good little saw. I have even dropped a couple of 8” trees with it. And loads of saplings. Ego won me over because of the Ego trimmer and blower I bought. So same battery drove my decision. Price was head to head with the Milwaukee. I only looked at Stihl, and Husqvarna on line.

Very weak battery chain saws not work! My Stihl 880 and 171 more better

No!

Great Review! 🪵👍🏼🇺🇸

@DudeRanchDIY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍