It’s always a good interview when you wish for more time to hear the host and guest speak. Great work Marshall!

@beverlychaney18

9 ай бұрын

He is very wrong. His writings take away your GOD GIVEN RIGHT OF CHOICE, AND THE ABILITY TO REASON AND TO SAY NO!! HIS WRITINGS ARE PROPAGANDA, TO MAKE PEOPLE MORE COMPLIANT AND EXCEPTENCE OF THIS EVIL.. STOP TAKING CREDIT WHEN YOU DON'T READ THE PAPER OR RESEARCH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE PRESENT. THE FUTURE HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN YET.

I’m so very proud that a brother such as myself is having these discussions. It’s a discussion that few people of any cultural persuasion are having. Yo go bro!

@wildregen

10 ай бұрын

@@dantech1 When people who are marginalized in a society do not know what is to come, they cannot prepare resources within their communities. You have a community, and so does the OP. Every community needs a representative, a leader- that is why race matters. Because you two are not in the same community...OP is calling that out, and is proud about it. Why would this be an issue for you specifically?

@paigejohnson452

10 ай бұрын

@@dantech1 Got it- if black people stop mentioning race, racism will go away. Noted!

@cliffhutson8048

10 ай бұрын

Root for the under dog yo

@brunopadovani7347

10 ай бұрын

He is very articulate and well read.

@Peace2all4vr

9 ай бұрын

Your bringing racism to introduce this subject almost made me cop out of this video. BUT I wanted to hear what he had to say about the Fourth Turning at this time. BTW, I listened to a LOT of videos about the FT, and none of them were introduced by people who referenced their skin color.

I love Neil Howe. His theory is a beacon of optimism for Millennials & Gen Z. I just wish I could share it with people and have them take it seriously.

@Jigsyboy1

10 ай бұрын

Ha. Only if the don’t mind 24 / 7 surveillance. Digital passports and tokenized “money”. Welcome to the great reset

@thecoolestofthe834s2

10 ай бұрын

Yay western civilization is going to burn and I'm gonna have to eat rats to survive after the government burns! Yay like wtf reaction do you want

@xLeeroycranex

9 ай бұрын

Howe + Zeihan = Map into the future

@Sopushynskyi

Ай бұрын

There is another guy - Peter Turchin who predicted US crisis.

As a gen x er and as I always have done, you will have about 65 million people that will not listen to authority or “the experts” and will adapt and create solutions to the ever changing environment and turmoil we are about to face. The world is lucky to have us as we all face the unknown.

@malapertfourohfour2112

10 ай бұрын

Really into public masturbation, aren'tcha? 😂😂😂

@igranderojo

10 ай бұрын

unfortunately GenX will get little or no credit for their contribution. Millennials will be celebrated as the Hero Generation.

@Spyrit2011

Ай бұрын

@@igranderojo It's not about getting credit, it's about getting it done.

@igranderojo

Ай бұрын

@@Spyrit2011 spoken like a true GenX Excellent to remind me of that. Thank you

I read this book in 1997. As much as I enjoyed and devoured it, I'd almost forgotten it by the time the 2008 great financial crisis hit, 79 years after the 1929 crash.

Marshall you are on fire at the moment. Another great interviewee. Thank you from the uk

I am thoroughly enjoying this interview. And, as a Gen X'er, I wonder where we are in the conversation--skipped over again. 🙃 I'm wondering if we are the lost generation of our time period, like slack tide between high and low tides when the change pauses.

@bigtinyhomeadventurebigtin5201

10 ай бұрын

We got screwed. As usual.

@doodedoodotdotdeedooyeah

10 ай бұрын

We'll be the heroes who save society.

@brendamartin3444

10 ай бұрын

Yes gen x is the lost generation…

@77Tadams

10 ай бұрын

Honestly, a gen X here. I think we are going our own way really. I was born in 77 and my husband in 78. We do our own businesses because we can't stand working for boomers and we can't stand hiring millennials. I would rather hire boomers to do the boring tasks because they don't complain as much as a millennial. Gen Z seems bored with everything and honestly don't want to deal with them. So, please let us keep being the forgotten generation. I don't want any attention!

@TheAlexa6

10 ай бұрын

We are the best generation. Caught between selfish and insufferable boomers and millennials, lol.

I appreciate you mentioning Neil’s long time writing/research parter who devoted so much to this topic!!!! Well done! Lots of people just rush over that stuff but you made sure it was not just swept away in the intro and question asking process. Thank you!

Thank you Marshall a excellent interview with Neil Howe.

Thanks for this great interview and great questions asked for Neil to discuss his theory.

“No one is gonna cut benefits to senior citizens…” Until Gen x are seniors.

@PreferredMethods

10 ай бұрын

Haha if they get their way… well things will be practical.

@debra1363

5 ай бұрын

The oldest Xers have 4 years to go.I hope they don't get shafted this time around.

@LucasFernandez-fk8se

4 ай бұрын

@@debra1363hopefully they do. Im sick of all our money going to boomers and Gen x. They had it easy growing up. Big cheap homes, cheap cars, cheap gas, high salaries, low taxes. And all they did was spend us 30 trillion into debt. Gen x and boomers need to stop LEECHING OFF THE YOUNG

I've heard Neil Howe interviewed tons of times since 1997. This was the best job by a host that I've ever seen. The host is clearly very well-read like Howe. Very impressive! Awsome job!

Neil Howe is the best! Thanks for hosting him on your channel. I think the generational theory as far as the individual's experience, really only works or makes sense if you are part of the same age group and your parents, grandparents, etc. are part of their respective generations, so for example, if a first wave Gen x'er had a kid at 17 or 18, their actually part of the same era or if you have parents that are 40 years older, the at home family dynamic will be very different than what's typically experienced.

@neurologicalworms

10 ай бұрын

Can you reword this? I'm really interested in what you have to say but I'm struggling to understand. I think you are saying that we are molded by our parents and their generational attitude. So if my parents were 20 years older than I am than my attitude towards the world will be shaped much differently than if my parents were 40 years older than I. Right? Interesting.. I am 32, so I am at the age of mothering young ones. I have two children ages 3 and 5. I feel like in past generations the woman all entered motherhood within a few years gap of one another. In my experience woman are having children within a gap of like 12 years. Meaning that my peers are all very inconsistent with one another in their motherhood journey. I know 40 year old woman having their first and 28 year old woman feeling that they are running out of time. Half of woman are saying they want children but keep claiming they aren't ready. A lot of the millennials will be raising young children in their 50's...... I wonder how that will impact. On another thought though- it's almost like a nature vs nurture debate. How much of our generational attitude develops based on our parents vs our experiences within our societal /political cliimate? If I am 13 years old than my culture and peers group influence are that of other 13 year Olds. It doesn't matter how old our parents are or who was raised by grandma....the strength of the peer climate is most persuasive.

@shazamshazamshazam696

10 ай бұрын

But there will always be a mean to which the influential majority will belong. However, extremely oppressive governance will corrupt the influence of the mean.

@raymond_luxury_yacht

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm a late 60s child and had kid late. His values and what we teach him are based on my growing up which is a very different time to those younger parents with kids the same age. I'm always wondering how this affects my kid and what impact that has on those around him, and how they impact him.

We’ve lost 2 “Vietnam wars” worth, numerically, of Millennials too “excess death”. Are you paying attention to this yet?!

@sheilastanaland

10 ай бұрын

Do you mean, "to 'excess death'."? (to, rather than too?)

@JohnKerbaugh

10 ай бұрын

Drugs and suicide?

As a millennial I also find this to be a positive outlook. Things look insane in our country and world right now. Looking at it in retrospect to the cycles of history and generational attitudes makes it all feel a lot more regulated in a sense , rather than purely chaotic.

@daltanionwaves

10 ай бұрын

I agree that it feels less like it's completely out of our control. But at the same time, it makes it seem even more likely that we are going to have to deal with a major crisis. Not a warmup crisis like in 2008 or 2020. But something that will actually be consequential for most people. But still I think Gen Z will have it harder than us, because they will be the least capable. As spoiled as we were, Gen Z grew up without even having to learn how to lose at sports, or finish their homework... It was still possible to go hungry in the 90s. And the 90s might have been as close as you can get to a color blind society. The US has only become more racist each decade since. The things that Gen complain about, reminds me of that spot right before the end of all great empires. When the decadence is at its peak, and culture is still coasting downhill from the great wealth achieved by the hard work and suffering of past generations. The culture loses its values and begins to fail to take care of its old people, and at the same time lowers the age of consent to allow explicit relationships with children. It's strange that that is even a reoccurring feature of the cycles of empires but it is. For whatever reason. It does seem like the boomers will have been the generation that started the fires that will burn everything down. And we'll be the first generation that will have to start rebuilding society after it finally collapses at some point here in the next 20 years or so

@muffinland

10 ай бұрын

I just pray our final crisis is a toe-dip into authoritarianism, and not a great power war like the last 4th turning.

@timetraveller4116

10 ай бұрын

It just sucks when you die young in a turning😅

@thefamilydog3278

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@daltanionwavesI turned 45 this year, right on the cusp of Gen X & Millennial, so I think I have a good perspective on this and I have to disagree. I don’t see how you think Gen X was somehow more spoiled or didn’t have to learn how to lose. I felt like I was in the last cohort that DID have to lose, and the last to be told that the world doesn’t give a shit about your problems. We were also the last generation to be left home alone before 10 years old and have it not be considered child abuse. I feel like the kids 5-10 years younger than me were the ones who saw the rise of helicopter parenting, getting participation trophies, etc…I could go on but I’m already getting too long winded for the KZread comments section lol Just wondering what the basis is for your opinion, since I basically lived the opposite of what you’re saying in many respects?

@BigJFindAWay

10 ай бұрын

The Boomers didn’t start it but they sure as hell escalated it like crazy. Where the Boomers screwed up was in thinking they could change the basic nature of society, that you could live freely without accountability, that you could spoil your kids and they’d love you for it, that you could engage in short term gratification and everything would be fine. That’s where the Booners really screwed us all over. But… The Silents neglected their kids and let them run wild because for the Silents everything was about your work and you had to always work. And the GI generation, greatest generation thought they screwed up big time by creating suburbia and all the isolation, lack of community cohesiveness, and sterility that comes with it. And because the GI Generation were not the ones controlling the purse strings at the time when suburbia got started some of the blame goes to the Lost Generation too because they were too caught up in parting to realise and provided the funding for the building of suburbia. And the Missionary Generation screwed up by promoting activist government that was supposed to be able to fix everything and engineer society. And before them the Imperial Generation were content to just let government manage things.

There's a lot of details that don't make sense to me: I get how the Great Depression and WWII would be a catalyzing event for the GI Generation in their youth, but why would the 2008 financial crisis be an appropriate allegory for the Millennials' Crisis? As a Millennial, I remember looking at the '08 Crisis and thought "Huh, good thing I don't own any stocks or property or I'd be hurting right now!" and that was pretty much the end of it. I had heath problems then that were of much greater concern to me at that time than something happening with the value of things that I didn't own and couldn't imagine being able to afford. Is the current "Hero" generation not supposed to do anything heroic until late in their lives? That doesn't seem to be what was said in the book. Painting the 90's as an era of individual liberty also doesn't ring true to me. Laissez faire societies/governments don't do things like the Waco siege, for example. By the way, Clinton was a Baby Boomer who presided over that event. As far as Boomers not really caring about taking and holding power, how does one explain politicians like Biden, Schumer, Feinstein, and Pelosi who have done exactly that for amazingly long periods of time? I'm not saying Howe is wrong, but I'm saying that I certainly don't understand some of the points he's making. I kind of wish that someone would get him to flesh out some of the quick points that he makes in many interviews and then just moves on, leaving me scratching my head.

@HenryBenedictUSA

10 ай бұрын

Covid is the appropriate allegory for the beginning of the Millennial Crisis. What happens next I’m not so sure, but it feels like we’re headed for a significant conflict within the next 1-10 years. I think Covid was the catalyst for an awakening within the population about what it would take to be a “hero” since being one requires great sacrifice and inner strength.

@marygee3981

10 ай бұрын

I agree. But I did enjoy listening to his thoughts. Interesting.

@emknight84

10 ай бұрын

The 2008 crisis robbed a lot of millennials of their future before they ever even got started. I think we are in our 3rd or 4th once and a lifetime financial disaster and counting.

@patricknachtigall3426

10 ай бұрын

I think Howe is right. It's not that the Financial Crisis unleashed immediate chaos. But that was the event that started leading toward a white-underclass, and one that became politically active within a year or two. It eventually morphed into MAGA, which, speaking non-politically, is rooted in total selfishness, anger, and that famous 60's Boomer dualism---embodied by a Trump--the quintessential boomer, or rather, a boomer caricature come to life. That election following 8 obama years, has put class, race, the rich-poor divide, and the urban and rural divide on such a path of division, that we now speak about the possibility of a Civil War. As for the politicians you mentioned, they are all part of the generation of my parents....50's kids that were too old to serve in Vietnam and already had families by Woodstock. By that point, Biden already had a family and lost his wife and child in a car accident..he wasn't hippying around. As for Clinton and Waco---Clinton and the 1994 Freshman class of Republicans were the ones that ushered in the dominant boomer years we are still living in today. They were not about ideology..they were about selfish expediency. Compared to Trump, Clinton looks like Mother Teresa, but back in 1992, it was shocking to see the entitlement and audacit of Bill and Hillary. And the total demonization of the left (ironically), by the Boomer-led Republican Party. Once George W. Bush (Greatest Generation) left the stage, the boomer dualism and constant outrage political scene began. I do agree that it seems in the book that the millenials were supposed to rise in their youth......my take on that is that all of the previous generations died much earlier. Today, not only are boomers not going away or dying (see all of Congress), but they can refuse to give over power well into their 70's and beyond, which was previously unheard of since most died by 72.

@karouselkar3149

10 ай бұрын

Biden and Pelosi were born years before boomers.

This could have been , "Just another video". This guy is bringing it all out. Very awakening truths. Very scary truths. Interviewer is doing a great job not controlling, ...letting it roll.

Bobby Kennedy is actually speaking the truth to the American people. Listen to some long form conversations with him, not what the mainstream media says. Just listen to his conversations!

@antonburren336

10 ай бұрын

💯 and I'm NOT a boomer! Please have him on the show so the viewers can see that he is in no way into conspiracy theories. He's one of the few honest men brave enough to throw his hat in a corrupt political system.

@hparkindc

10 ай бұрын

please don't...

@jameswilkerson4412

9 ай бұрын

You mean the anti-science? The ‘COVID was engineered to hurt certain ethnicities’?

@vulgarprophet2689

9 ай бұрын

I don't agree with some of RFK Jr policies but he is sincere. I haven't gotten that far into the video yet are these guys saying that Pfizer didn't pull any shenanigans?

@jameswilkerson4412

9 ай бұрын

@@vulgarprophet2689 if by ‘sincere’ you mean ‘sincerely ignorant and willfully conspiracist’ sure.

I am a Gen X'er in mindset since being a teenager.I bucked the stupid status, seek money & pleasure ethic of my generation ( Boomer), as I was born at the very end of those dates. I have great hope in the Millennials and very much believe we can get thru the coming chaos & pain when these tired, sick, decrepit systems fall apart soon. Personally, I'm proud of my Gen X ethics, we are the realists.

@thierryf2789

10 ай бұрын

This is silly. What you're saying is that if you had been born 2 yeas earlier, you would have been stupid. This is quite a stupid thought to have, never mind the virtue signaling ...

@MissJean63

10 ай бұрын

I was born in 1963 and you and I are a micro culture - Jonesers as in Keeping Up With the Jones! It’s just a thought.

@mikeirvin9694

10 ай бұрын

I'm less than 4 months too old to be a millennial, so I'm technically a gen X'er. Carter was still in the white house my first couple months of life. One of my parents was a boomer (the other was a wartime baby and therefore a silent generation). My age cohort stopped listening to boomers in the mid 90's, especially on culture and values. Boomers are our parents, we have always known they weren't right in the head. They raised us after all. 50% of boomer presidents account for 75% of the presidential impeachments in history. Whatever comes next, boomer values will not shape it.

@bitbucketcynic

10 ай бұрын

For those born near a divide, it's more a matter of mindset than timing. While I was born in 1981, my parents were rather old (my father was born in the Great Depression, my mother was born as WW2 was heating up, and both are now long dead), I was raised with their older values, and I've always related much more strongly to GenX than millennials and consider myself an Xer that came in late. And I'm thankful for their tough love-most kids today would break under the strain of losing both parents in their early 20s and having to sink or swim alone in the world.

@wayneroberts6642

9 ай бұрын

I was born in 1970 probably the most reckless of the gen x, but proud. Lost a lot of friends already though. We were the first ones to say no we're not doing things that way. Keep up the fight.

This explains so much about how we moved away from the collective view of society. I’ve understood that to be a problem since reading Hannah Arendt’s Origins of Totalitarianism, but this explanation of it as a cycle helps to illustrate why we ended up so hyper focused on individualism despite the problems it has presented in the past. We ultimately need to find a balance between these two extremes. I’d really like to read Neil’s book to get a better understanding of this cycle and maybe understand how to break free of it.

@angelozachos8777

10 ай бұрын

People today are Ret-Ard-Ed . I don’t want any of that COLLECTIVIST garbage you talk about , so long as a large percentage of the current citizenry seems perfectly comfortable with fragmentary , governmental authoritarian measures. If COLLECTIVISM had won out these past 3 years , all you weirdos would have forced me to inject my 3 children with some concocted liquid 💉 which they never needed in the first place NO to Collectivism ❌

Sara Palin's zingers about community organizers were attacks on opponent Obama, who was a community organizer. It's also what Saul Alinsky was. C'mon Neil!

Very interesting interview... I think my worldview just experienced a 5 degree shift to correct for parallax. Thank you, Neil Howe and, as always, Marshall.

These are fantastic generalizations. I need to read this book.

Howe and Stauss' theory has kept me from being too swayed by popular sentiments. I think that the theory helps take off the blinders of the the issues of here and today and illustrates a horizon for us all and roles of the cohorts. Everything we feel that is earthshattering isn't. It has happened before and not really that long ago so stay calm and know we will get through this.

@angelozachos8777

10 ай бұрын

@@darktagmaster1861 “Hottest month ever recorded” ? WHERE ? Total Surface Area of planet EARTH : about 509 600 000 square km (197 000 000 square miles). Where was it hottest ?

First time ever hearing about Neil Howe and his concepts. Gotta say. It is mind blowing. We're right smack dab in the middle of a fourth turning that is about to climax.

@juergenernst1320

10 ай бұрын

The fourth turning is a classic. Can't believe it's new to a lot of folks

Neil is awesome

I’m an older millennial. I have always desired community since childhood and still do to this day. Even how we look to create solutions to our loneliness via social media is to build community. We seek out others opinions, we network, we want to connect with other like minded individuals, create groups, we want others to subscribe and connect with us. Gen Z is all about the clicks, the views, the reactions, are very self entitled, individualistic and does the exact opposite of what we millennials do.

@phuckfumassters

Ай бұрын

Generally speaking I agree with you. I'm an older millennial as well. I want all those things you mentioned. The part I disagree on is the Gen Z part. I find Gen Z to be annoying and narcissistic as well and they don't realize they are being manipulated(Millennials too, but I realized it and woke up so to speak later on). Gen Z wants the same thing we want, a sense of belonging, purpose and community but they go about it the wrong way using socal media. The purpose of social media like the name implies is to be social and create a sense of community...but as a consequence it attracts mostly narcissists and trolls

Great interview! I love your style and questions. I remember reading this book in Hong Kong four years after it was published and shocked how accurate to trends they were. Keep up the great work!

What a fascinating conversation! Thanks for this. :)

Excellent interview. I will be watching more of your episodes.

This talk reminds me of the concept of Integral thinking. The concept of God and religion can bind us together and some things that may seem like a myth or even a lie could in fact be there for a reason for inter personal interaction. Turning the other cheek to your enemy/ oppressor has long term merit to bring balance.

Summary: Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

@jmwichert8842

10 ай бұрын

That's half the cycle.

@detrockcity3

10 ай бұрын

Why does every simpleton boomer love this simpleton cliché?

@detrockcity3

10 ай бұрын

I hope Boomers understand that they ARE THE WEAK MEN WHO PRODUCED THESE HARD TIMES.

@MichelleHell

10 ай бұрын

More like, the elites can only take from those who have. When the masses are have-nots, the elites have nothing to take from them. So they spend decades fattening us, then decades consuming us.

I enjoyed the interview. My cautionary thought is the lumping together of generations. I am 60... right on the edge of Boomer and Gen X. I was a teacher and then went back to school and got my masters in counseling. I was alone post divorce. I then became a school counselor and also a therapist. Money was never the driving force for me... doing good was. I think I had parents who instilled those values in me. I’m not saying this to brag... I’m saying the awful leadership of our government makes me furious. It’s so corrupt. It’s been so for a long time... not all boomers are greedy “it’s all about me” people. All of my teacher friends and counseling friends cared deeply for our students. There were some dud teachers... always are. But most were so committed to kids. Had to say my peace! I love Millenials, Gen Z.... I love people. And our country is so off track it’s frightening. Sadly... I think it’s going to be quite a reckoning... no empire survives forever. Politicians are bought... they go in.... and then... they change. Bernie Sanders is the only one who stuck to his guns... and corporate America won’t have him or an RFK...no great president is coming to save us. These are great discussions... and the widening wealth gap is really the key to the horror that’s coming. It’s so awful to watch a country I believed in turn into what it is.

@raymond_luxury_yacht

10 ай бұрын

Well tank goodness you have the right to bear arms against domestic threats to the constitution. Most people in the world don't.

@ResurgentVoice

10 ай бұрын

@angiewilson247 You are right to be suspect about the whole “generations” hypothesis. I’m a Gen-X/Millennial and there are so many holes in his theory that you can drive a bus through. He constantly shoehorns events to fit his ideas. There is a MUCH better book that deals with this topic, but does so in a much more academically rigorous way. Look for the book End Times: Elites, Counter-Elites and the Path of Political Disintegration by Peter Turchin. That book nails it! It is a billion times better than Howe’s book and Turchin uses data from civilizations around the world and throughout history that have risen, collapsed, and rebuilt their societies. After you read End Times, current events and news reports make sense and reinforce to me how right now Turchin theory is! 👍

Great interview. 47:33 Really important statement about the paradox of boomers being in charge but not taking responsibility for the results of their decisions.

@detrockcity3

10 ай бұрын

They are the most selfish generation in history. They milked the country for all it’s worth, they handed over immense power to banks and governments with their permanent naïveté, and now they’re going die and leave us a world of wars and shortages and tyrants. Plus a completely dead social security apparatus that they consistently forced all future generations to continue paying into at gunpoint for their own atomistic benefit.

@queserasera1674

10 ай бұрын

​@theeclecticbombshell7562 Yes, Trudeau and Newsom look a lot more promising./s

@relevation0

9 ай бұрын

​@@queserasera1674😅

How different is this turning, though? We have biological weapons, geoengineering, AI, surveillance, poison chemicals in our food and water, corruption on a massive scale including in all institutions that are supposed to help us (the UN, WHO, CDC, FDA, education, FBI, CIA, etc) and the average IQ has dropped 4 points in the last decade alone.... this turning might not turn out like all the ones before.

@annamineer2521

10 ай бұрын

It won't. They don't want to hear that though.

@patnor7354

10 ай бұрын

This is one turning without a happy end. people seem to assume that the crisis will end and then things will get better, not realizing that sometimes these crisis can send a society on a much worse course, or even end it.

@FFTS

10 ай бұрын

@@patnor7354 That's what I am concerned about... "the 4th world war will be fought with sticks and stones".

@jameswilkerson4412

9 ай бұрын

The WHO and CDC were FIGHTING a pandemic. You sound like someone who rejected health experts just because they were telling you something you didn’t want to hear.

@vulgarprophet2689

9 ай бұрын

​@@jameswilkerson4412TrUsT tHe ExPeRtS. Are you joking?

Palin wasn't disparaging community service. She was addressing 'community activists' in regards to Obama's credentials.

@mikeh7842

10 ай бұрын

2x Obama voter... Was about to post the same.

@tfustudios

10 ай бұрын

@@mikeh7842 Yep! 2X as well!

@lorityson79

10 ай бұрын

He should have mentioned 'community service' has become a necessary line item in a resume, preferably paid. We used to call it getting involved..., sort of like mobilizing to 'change the world' because the revolution was just around the corner..

@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs

10 ай бұрын

^^^^^ exactly ^^^^^ Community service = Kiwanis, Lions, jury duty, military Community activism = turn out the vote for dems, defund the police, create union shops

@TheCommonS3Nse

10 ай бұрын

@@lorityson79 I think that’s part of the individualism problem. People no longer view community service as a way to give back to and improve their communities, but rather as a line item to make them more appealing to employers. Community service has shifted to become a self serving enterprise, not an outward act of generosity. Whether she was arguing against “community service” or “community organizers” doesn’t really matter, she was still arguing against community involvement. She was basically saying that being a community organizer had no intrinsic value, and that her experience as a small town mayor was more relevant. That is an individualist perspective in which your community organizing doesn’t pad your resume as well as a mayoral job does. It ignores the fact that community organizing is about helping your community, not helping your resume.

Great interviewer and guest. Thanks so much.

13:20 millennials live together because they have to financially. As a boomer, we knew whenever we wanted to “sell out”, we could make money. No more. My kids have much less chance to survive as well as we did.

@maplenook

10 ай бұрын

Then help your children get started

@edwardmiessner6502

10 ай бұрын

@@maplenook You don't know if he/she is able to help his/her Millennial offspring, most people born 1946 to 1964 (Boomers and Jonesers) cannot because we don't have the money, having been unable to save for retirement because our wages and salaries just met our expected lifestyle for our employment station. If we were lucky!

@steviewonder417

10 ай бұрын

Revolution is the only option

@MichelleHell

10 ай бұрын

They bought all the property, raised the prices. We are working off that sell.

Great interview 👍 fascinating discussion and very spot on

Excellent broadcast. Thank you Marshall.

Some great questions

Excellent questions and great guest. Thank You!

Didn’t know Howe was such a radical Leftist.

Also, that Howe is an economist may explain his lack of understanding of the social contract or why it is necessary. It takes root in GB and that history is easily found. Basically, the blue collar worker gives his or her life giving advantages to those who benefit from that labor without ever contributing to it other than a wage that up to that point, was slave wage labor. They have the 'good life' while those below them do the back breaking work it takes to run a society. Fair compensation is in the form of pensions etc and had our system not destroyed the pension system, the burden would not have shifted so heavily onto the government. When it comes to actual costs, those costs are swallowed by the medical industry that has made it an art to figure out how to bill the most, for the least amount of work. Were these charges brought into line the cost of SSI would drop through the floor. Again, these charts are easily found. He is right when he says the boomers caused this mess, but misses a crucial element as well. Many boomers sat back and let the younger, smarter generation take hold without asking what their lack of wisdom would bring to the table. The costs are high regarding concepts such as individual liberty, the costs of societal sterilization and basically replacing hard won values with the "me" form of thinking. All things do come back around and it's sad to know what price we are all about to pay.

Just came across your podcast, and want to tell you how impressed I am. Very interesting guest, and I like your hosting style. So many hosts seem to feel the need to talk over the guest, and put in their unnecessary 2 cents, thus interrupting the flow of the guest's narrative. Well done. I have subscribed and look forward to future podcasts.

Excellent interview.

We all used to watch the same thing on tv, the same news , the same Christmas cartoon specials , everything. It was a shared culture. It’s over

Great discussion. Thank You, Michael

Awesome exchange!

Mr Howe seems to miss mentioning the group between the Boomers and the Millennials and the group after the Millennials, who likely won't go along with their wishes.

@jameswilkerson4412

9 ай бұрын

Gen Z should be on track to be similar to the Silents. GenX should track the generation from just before 1900 (I forget its name)

Superb host and guest. TY

Community is local, but young people today are trying to create community at the national and global levels (with central planning). Since there's no "one size fits all" it ends up hurting most localities. I find this highly frustrating about young idealists 🫤

@MichaelSkelton

10 ай бұрын

A consequence of globalization and social media. *Information* can travel instantaneously, but yet not people, not physical goods. This is the inherent breakdown of globalization: why should people pretend that we live in a global society when our food/material supply chains could disintegrate immediately from e.g. poor weather, natural disasters, pandemics. I agree that a sense of community must still exist at the local geographic level. It will only take a few days lapse in the electrical grid or petrol supply for people to re-learn this lesson.

Fascinating discussion

Fantastic interview 👍

Marshall, I'm a leftie, and I appreciate the work you are doing. I find people with a heterodox, macro-type view quiet interesting, insightful, and usually informative.

@michigandersea3485

10 ай бұрын

Same here.

@steviewonder417

10 ай бұрын

Revolution is inevitable. MAGA will grow into a prole army. Most of the let will find themselves on the side of the current hegemon. Their ideology of reactionary bourgeoise revolutionary values will keep them from “going where the people already are”.

My parents were sharp. They saw this during the 90’s and vividly remember similar conversations as to this one growing up

Great interview

Excited to get a copy of the book. I've been following the generational theories of Howe & Strauss since around 2001!

Well done Marshall. Neil is the best

I was telling my boomer dad what I was listening to, how millennials were a collectivist generation and boomers were an individualist one, and his immediate reaction was that generational theory is overly reductive and simplistic and paints with too broad a brush to capture what individuals are like. I don't think he saw the irony there. +1 for the theory I guess.

@Lazris59

10 ай бұрын

Wooosh

@jmwichert8842

10 ай бұрын

Whenever you look at the microscopic level, you will see variety and nuance. That's not what Neil is doing... it's the 30,000 foot view. It's hard to argue with what he is saying when you look at the flow of history.

@TheCommonS3Nse

10 ай бұрын

@@jslice6964 Boomer dad is not right. He’s looking at it from an individualist lens and essentially saying that some overarching theory isn’t predictive on an individual level, but that ignores the crux of the argument, that the general consensus in society shifts from individualistic to collectivist and back again, not that individuals change their perspectives. For example, the period from the civil war to the Great Depression is known as the Liberal era, the period from the Great Depression to the 1970’s was the Keynesian era, and the period from the 1970’s to now has been the NeoLiberal era. Those are definitive eras of economic thinking that shift from individualistic to collectivist and back again, but that says nothing about whether an individual during the Keynesian era would be individualistic or collectivist, but rather what the general economic worldview was at the time. You can’t just deny the relevance of those eras and their impacts because it isn’t predictive on an individual basis.

@angelozachos8777

10 ай бұрын

@@TheCommonS3Nse Your interpretation of history is indistinguishable from the conventional pablum taught in our government-run public school institutions 😂 My critical explanations of the historical events which you outlined , are dissimilar to yours ✌️

@TheCommonS3Nse

10 ай бұрын

@@angelozachos8777 So let me get this straight... my interpretation of different economic paradigms shifting over time, which is generally believed, not just among public schools but also among most economists, is wrong, because it doesn't match your critical explanations of historical events... which you haven't actually laid out here. I have a lot more respect for people who are willing to put their beliefs out there for criticism rather than just saying "WRONG" with zero explanation as to why someone might be wrong.

Very nicely done interview. Reading the book now and this is quite timely. Thanks.

After the 1970's it was the Oligarch who were liberated. Liberated from paying their fair share of tax, liberated from the consequences of their actions (dangerous deregulation) and liberated from any responsibility or concern for the general welfare of society as a whole.

@steviewonder417

10 ай бұрын

Abolish taxes. Starve the fascist government. MAGA, the libertarians, and Tankies need to join up, smash the oligarchs, and restore The Republic.

@jameswilkerson4412

9 ай бұрын

@@steviewonder417abolish which taxes? Which institutions and services that they fund would you like to destroy?

@steviewonder417

9 ай бұрын

@@jameswilkerson4412 you don’t understand the yoke that is superfluous labor. Read more Marx. The government produces nothing, but as a domain of capital itself it consumes massive amounts of real material surplus. The perpetuation of the existence of the fascist government requires the working class to labor that much more to sustain it. Abolish the state and you reduce the toil of the workers, simple as. The world is already a cornucopia and the nature of our economy which is 95% fake and unproductive in real terms is concealing that reality. This is deliberate of course. The goal of the ruling class to expand superfluous labor into ever more domains of capital, to create endless toil and thereby retaining class relations, forever, that is their own power over the prole.

Great show! ❤

What an amazing discussion

I really enjoyed your interview of Neil today. I encourage you to keep going. You have a talent and a excellent command of the English language. All my respect.

@darrylbarnes7275

10 ай бұрын

I don’t even know how to respond to your comment about his “command of the English language”? Is he not primarily an English speaker? Is English his second language? I never read or hear this comment in regards to someone white. I’m not sure if the comment is out of racial ignorance or just racist. I get this often, but only from people that would label themselves white. It’s always an interesting comment to think through. How come you couldn’t leave it at the fact that you enjoyed the interview?

@littlestbroccoli

10 ай бұрын

That is racist.

It’s a troubling but fascinating time to be alive.

I read the book, but the milestones quoted for the turnings seem somewhat capriciously chosen. There didn't seem to be a rubric at all-- just sort of, oh, this matches our timeline.

@angelozachos8777

10 ай бұрын

Yes 👍🏼 It’s all very contrived and “devised”

Well done. After reading Pendulum a friend suggested the 4th Turning. I read it several times, however, your interview clarified some gaps in my understanding. Well done! SUBSCRIBED!

It's been a 40 plus year losing battle for good wages and good housing I can't wait to see why this guy thinks these problems will be solved bc I see mutiple ongoing crisis as part of the system of usa social -politics. Nothing gets fixed bc some people with power and money like the world the way it is

@Lazris59

10 ай бұрын

Well, I'm pretty sure they explained it. A major shock to the system, like real physical life or death struggle not a pandemic like covid. Be that war with china or civil war, something that puts us on the brink of non-existence. Those kind of events force people to fix those problems or cease to exist.

@somebodyontheinternet1090

10 ай бұрын

@@Lazris59 I actually hope all his research is wrong going forward bc if we wait until the planet boils us alive to try and save ourselves it will be too late

@jmwichert8842

10 ай бұрын

Because if they aren't solved society will collapse. The wealthy are happy to hoard the economic surplus when they can keep the masses distracted and fighting amongst each other with culture wars and such. That's probably not going to work much longer.

@p51mustang24

10 ай бұрын

I think Peter Turchin has the answers you seek, and the ones where Howe comes up short. Howe gets a lot right, but Turchin looks at the same cycle through a more blunt framework: Overproduction of elite aspirants + immiseration of the masses (declining real wages, failing social issues ie millennial's failure to hit life milestones) breeds revolutions. You can actually overlap these 2 frameworks in a way that makes sense.

@somebodyontheinternet1090

10 ай бұрын

@p51mustang24 that frame work I am more open to accepting

Great interview!!

Good interview. Thank you.

Great interview. It gives some sense of order to the disconnected reality we're in.

Very good conversation

In the major conflicts that we have experienced in the "winter" season, we have been able to prevail, in the sense that our country has grown stronger. But if we hit another war, fought on our own ground, where we are not able to overcome?

Read this book a few years ago. Excellent.

Good job on the interview

Book is fantastic. I highly recommend it.

Right on. Thanks for sharing.

Great interview thanks

Like the show. Subscribed. Thank you

"And the seasons, they go 'round and 'round And the painted ponies go up and down We're captive on the carousel of time We can't return, we can only look Behind from where we came And go 'round and 'round and 'round In the circle game" -- Joni Mitchell, The Circle Game, 1970

@michaeljensen4650

10 ай бұрын

One of the great paradoxes of human nature which is most apparent in our modern world is our desire to be part of a community in a world that is defined by class, wealth and malignant individualism. Sadly the communities we chose or are forced to participate in are destructive and antithetical to true social cohesion and social welfare.

@rodneycaupp5962

10 ай бұрын

We're captives on the carousel of time.... WE could've been more than a name on a door.

Great interview. First time seeing this channel. Interview skills 10k 🎉

Great interview, good points!

Great interview - subbed.

I'm an older parent to a Gen Z teenager and I've often said how much he reminds me of the Greatest Generation in the sense he is serious, frugal, thinks of community and is rigid in his thinking of right and wrong. Gen Z already thinks of themselves as in a war, and they are loyal to their peers when their peers are under any perceived attack.

@roxieearly9484

10 ай бұрын

I'm a resident grandmother and I agree with you on this group, my granddaughter is all you shared and more.

@HappyCrone

10 ай бұрын

I am not trying you speak for Gen Z, but to reply to your question, I think their top concerns are fascism and climate change...

@steveareeno65

8 ай бұрын

I am a father of a gen z'r also and I see many in their generation confused (gender identity, etc) and full of anxiety.

@CraftEccentricity

7 ай бұрын

@@HappyCrone Sadly, climate changers ARE Fascists.

Brilliant 💫

I bought the original Generations when it first came out. Seemed to make sense and I’ve followed their predictions over time. Still seems on point and has tracked real life events and trends pretty well.

Awesome books.

HUGE +1 on "being responsible for consequences"

Great video brother

Great interview …

Good stuff!

great interview

Good stuff.

Exceptional! How to see a good side of a crysis 101.

As a millennial, though, a lot of my friends, and I myself, grew up with the Fight Club or Office Space mentality and it really beat the sh*t out of our lives and happiness

@lazerwolf001

10 ай бұрын

We grew up with the idea that “the man” was stupid at best evil at worst. Corporations were evil, we should be individuals and our best expression would be through rebellion. Given the economic conditions we faced (2001 .con crash and 9/11, 2008 financial crash crises, 2019 pandemic) and still face this indoctrination was not conducive to building constructive relationships.

@jaycrow6871

10 ай бұрын

@@lazerwolf001 it almost seems like it was intentional propaganda at this point. Having everyone as a individual makes it easy for the state to just let businesses do what they want with impunity.

@cendrizzi

10 ай бұрын

And then faith will be put in corporations and other institutions only for the next generation to learn how corrupting they are.. I mean it repeats for a reason right?

@orangetuono38

10 ай бұрын

​@@jaycrow6871Individuals that embrace victimhood cannot have personal agency. The concept of Citizenship skipped a generation.

@edwardmiessner6502

10 ай бұрын

@@orangetuono38 Well that's just the thing. Under late stage capitalism those who do not have big wealth or solid connections are deprived of personal agency, so they embrace victimhood instead of citizenship.

I paid into social security my whole life A hole and I expect to get it. 👎

Hey mate. Great video. Read the book a few years ago. 👍 cheers

I think Howe is a great historian

I would love to hear a discussion on what replaces religious institutions, as this was a huge part of regulating societies. I think the arts could become he place where people meet and share values, help each other...like choirs, poetry groups, painting circles etc. Schools do little to plant this idea.