31. Pre-electric Routers

Explore the tools that were used before the electric router was invented.
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  • @robertunderdunkterwilliger2290
    @robertunderdunkterwilliger22902 ай бұрын

    That last one with a hole drilled from the side to form both an edge and two nickers was really clever!

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    2 ай бұрын

    Always fun to explore!

  • @frankagee3157
    @frankagee3157 Жыл бұрын

    I used to think I knew something about woodwork. Then I came across you some months ago. I highly suspect you have forgotten more than I know. I appreciate you taking your precious time and sharing with us. I especially enjoyed this episode. Having made a few spokeshaves, I like what you have shown us today. Thank you very, very much.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    You're very welcome!

  • @viracocha03
    @viracocha03 Жыл бұрын

    I am currently attempting to make my own "hand" router. Cross your fingers!

  • @MCsCreations

    @MCsCreations

    Жыл бұрын

    Great luck, dude! 😊

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Go for it!

  • @johnpayne6196

    @johnpayne6196

    Жыл бұрын

    Check out Paul Seller’s videos. Good luck, just use tough timber.

  • @martinadams6067
    @martinadams606711 ай бұрын

    I love old the school tool and knowledge

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    11 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @johnadamski4012
    @johnadamski40126 ай бұрын

    🎄🌲🍀🐾🦉A lot of great information was shared here🦉🐾🍀🌲🎄.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    6 ай бұрын

    Happy holidays!

  • @allanjgray1
    @allanjgray1 Жыл бұрын

    Thank's for this one, I'm lucky to have many of the tools you describe.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you like them!

  • @LoremasterRelomi
    @LoremasterRelomi Жыл бұрын

    Hilarious digs at those darn electronic rooters

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Still useful sometimes.

  • @5StoryWoodWorks
    @5StoryWoodWorks Жыл бұрын

    I love my 71 and my 71 1/2, use them often for so many tasks. I agree with you sir, I can have my hand router out and be done with the task in way less time than setting up my router table. A must for delicate box work. Your videos are so interesting and fun, you bring something to KZread that was missing. Please keep em coming, I and it looks like a lot of others really enjoy your style. Thank you.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you; appreciate it.

  • @JBuck-cu7xd
    @JBuck-cu7xd Жыл бұрын

    Every time a hand tool expert extols the virtues of a Stanley 71 an Angel gets its wings. Thank you Mr Blackburn, now I will need to wait another year to afford a new router.😢

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Great!

  • @johnburens3395
    @johnburens33958 ай бұрын

    I think it is nice that you give a brief history of the tool, how it got it's name, besides just how and what it is used for. This gives the tool more character than simply some old relic.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @christopherharrison6724
    @christopherharrison6724 Жыл бұрын

    I made my own router plane out of oak it has a bit more character than even the metal ones and works just as well.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Great!

  • @davidcampbell2845
    @davidcampbell2845 Жыл бұрын

    Every episode has at least one unique gem - good work, very educational.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @ianpearse4480
    @ianpearse4480 Жыл бұрын

    Loving these videos. Thank you for sharing.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @maciejtrybilo
    @maciejtrybilo Жыл бұрын

    I’d love to see making a round window with glazing bars made with the router at 16:00

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Good idea. Will ty to get to it later.

  • @wesandell
    @wesandell8 ай бұрын

    It's very likely that one of the reasons we no longer have a lot of furniture with a lot of curves is because of the complexity of making them with modern electric tools. You can get metal furniture that has a lot of the curves and swirly designs, but it's rare to find wooden furniture like that these days. Though you do see a little bit more since the introduction of CNC machines, but even those have limitations on what they can do.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    8 ай бұрын

    Very true!

  • @red58impala
    @red58impala Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the history lesson on routers. I have acquired many of the examples you mentioned and now I have a better understanding of what their intended purposes were. I look forward to your videos and I hope you produce many more.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @grampytinman3481
    @grampytinman3481 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Love the history you add as well

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much!

  • @michaelthys4000
    @michaelthys4000 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Always learn something.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear it!

  • @pitsnipe5559
    @pitsnipe5559 Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating! Love learning about these traditional hand tools as I have recently started doing hand tool woodworking.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @haroldschultz5864
    @haroldschultz5864 Жыл бұрын

    Graham , every time I watch one of your wonderful videos I learn something new . Consequently , every time I also add another tool you use to my wish list . Blessings to you sir .

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @trep53
    @trep5310 ай бұрын

    All good stuff here! As a woodworker I’ve managed to avoid purchasing an electric router to save my ears, eyes and lungs. My modest hand tool collection has served me well and saved me the cost of electric router bit$$. Thank you Graham for this tool review.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    10 ай бұрын

    You're very welcome!

  • @sfshilo
    @sfshilo Жыл бұрын

    My hand router is my favorite tool to use by far, it's very satisfying.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    It really is!

  • @dannyhale7645
    @dannyhale7645 Жыл бұрын

    I have really been enjoying your videos. I've learned a lot. Thank you so much for producing these videos, and for mentioning that you've written books, too. I bought a copy of Traditional Woodworking Handtools, An Illustrated Reference Guide for the Woodworker. I'll probably buy more of your books, as well.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! BTW I'll soon be offering signed copies of my books on the KZread site at a discount.

  • @stevekelley1179
    @stevekelley1179 Жыл бұрын

    Nice. Learned something

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @steven6068
    @steven6068 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Graham, great video. I am looking forward to seeing these tools in action... Steven

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @richardbutterfoss2353
    @richardbutterfoss2353Ай бұрын

    Thank you! RWB ❤🎉

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Ай бұрын

    Any time!

  • @restoreguitars
    @restoreguitars10 ай бұрын

    I appreciate this x

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    10 ай бұрын

    So glad!

  • @roman_le
    @roman_le Жыл бұрын

    That was very interesting!

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @thomashverring9484
    @thomashverring9484 Жыл бұрын

    I really love these videos! I've said it before and I'm probably going to say it again! So thank you very much! I'm looking forward to buying your books; they are in the budget but I just have to get a few tools out of the way first. It makes me giddy like a schoolgirl to think about this already fairly extensive library available from you and how much better it becomes video by video. This is an amazing resource!

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm so glad!

  • @jeanlucvassort6411
    @jeanlucvassort6411 Жыл бұрын

    Regards to you Graham and the photographer. Your videos are very instructive and even thought i have some experience on amateur wood working there is so much to learn from you ... Furthermore, your english language is perfectly understandable (I am Frenchy). Thanks ...

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Very pleased to hear it. Merci!

  • @terencebarnett113
    @terencebarnett113 Жыл бұрын

    Hi I have Stanley and record Router there like yours but where end of blade sits there’s opening and the base arches up and over other exactly the same with 3 blades a small flat edge a large flat edge and one like yours with point at end.thank you for showing us the right of using these great old tools.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    You're welcome.

  • @thomashverring9484
    @thomashverring9484 Жыл бұрын

    In Danish a router is called a grundhøvl ("base plane/r" could be a direct translation) and an electric router is called an overfræser ("over milling machine" is a very weird sounding but fairly direct and precise translation). A spoke shave is called a bugthøvl in Danish ("curve plane/r").

  • @norwich8588

    @norwich8588

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, always interesting to hear other language terms!

  • @thomashverring9484

    @thomashverring9484

    Жыл бұрын

    @@norwich8588 Yes, I think so too. I'm very interested in finding the old words in Danish for the old tools, so I always compare with the English words. I have much easier access to the English words for the traditional tools, than in my own language, which is a bit sad. So I'm doing some research and trying to "collect" them :^)

  • @norwich8588

    @norwich8588

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thomashverring9484 Keep it up Thomas, it's valuable and it's fun!

  • @thomashverring9484

    @thomashverring9484

    Жыл бұрын

    @@norwich8588 Thanks, I will :^)

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Cool!

  • @jimhyslop
    @jimhyslop Жыл бұрын

    I'm looking forward to the projects you've mentioned. I hope you will keep any mistakes that you make in the video, so we can learn how to fix things.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    You and me both!

  • @bakerzermatt
    @bakerzermatt Жыл бұрын

    These videos are a treasure. You mentioned spokeshaves being an example of the metal version being superior to the traditional one. I'd love to hear your take on pros and cons of wooden or metal bench planes. I'm on the continent where horned wooden planes are king. I also got myself some record planes from the UK (so easy to adjust!), but I'm warming up too wooden planes as I'm getting better at adjusting them. They're so light and handy, that you don't need a block plane. However, to replace a single No 4 plane, I like having two or three wooden planes: one set for a deeper cut, and another one or two for a fine cut or smoothing.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Some of the earlier episodes mention wooden versus metal planes,

  • @tuffymartinez
    @tuffymartinez Жыл бұрын

    Thank You Graham... Always a pleasure...(now I need to "router" up some coffee & breakfast!!!... )...until next time... TM

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds great!

  • @PeteLewisWoodwork
    @PeteLewisWoodwork8 ай бұрын

    I've been a carpenter/joiner in UK for well over 40 years and I was taught to use mainly hand tools back in the day (along with the occasional electric drill as well as a brace and bits). I now do some work for someone who owns a lot of rental properties and he wants me to fit fire strips in two of his doors. I said "Ok, I have a hand router plane" and he laughed and said no, he will buy an electric router for me to use. The time wasted to buy an electric router and correct bits - along with the cost and set-up time is silly. I could have done both doors in no time by hand. The same goes when something needs planing, I reach for a bench plane and I'm expected to use an electric plane, which I find far too aggressive - in a split second, a mistake with an electric plane can ruin a job, whereas in a split a mistake with a hand plane can leave it repairable. One customer even burst out laughing when I got out my smoothing plane and said "Are you joking? Nobody ever uses them anymore".

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    8 ай бұрын

    I understand.

  • @dpmeyer4867
    @dpmeyer4867 Жыл бұрын

    thank you

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    You're welcome.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

    Really fantastic lesson, Graham! Thanks a bunch! 😃 I'm a poor guy from Brazil, but I'm definitely going to get one of those routers from China. Spokeshaves I already got some. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. You stay safe too.

  • @ianmurray3820

    @ianmurray3820

    9 ай бұрын

    You can make your own basic “ ROOTER” as in the 1st part of the video.! Allen key’s/ Hex wrenches make good blades with a bit of work…. 😁💪🏻

  • @Flyfishinchief
    @Flyfishinchief Жыл бұрын

    Graham, thank you for these videos, I truly enjoy them. I recently received a Stanley 68 Rabbet/Rebate Spokeshave. Do you have any knowledge or experience with this tool? I’m thinking carriage makers may have used them, but probably could work in curves, too?

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes indeed. Works fine on curves.

  • @sjhcfp8146
    @sjhcfp8146 Жыл бұрын

    Another top vid Graham, thanks again! I gave myself tinnitus about 10 years ago using an electric router without hearing protection (stupid I know), routing grooves for cupboard doors. Promptly returned it to my brother in law and started investing in my ever-growing hand tool collection. Totally agree having the right tool for the job (moulding planes, spokeshaves, ‘hand’ routers etc) seems to produce much nicer results, and though often exhausting, is also satisfying knowing that it was just you and some wood and metal that produced the end product, not some screaming electric thing! That said, I’ve sometimes wished I did have an electric router (like when I recently took it upon myself to make 30m of moulding for skirting boards, took me days and I was so tired each evening I could barely lift a beer to my lips), but the feeling usually passes :) What was the name of the glazing bar router you showed at the end by the way?

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    I believe it is a tool made by Preston of Engla, but check out the Lie-Nielsen catalog.

  • @karolskakes388
    @karolskakes38810 ай бұрын

    Today I saw routers that I did not know existed.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    10 ай бұрын

    Great!

  • @johnfreiler6017
    @johnfreiler6017 Жыл бұрын

    Got a link for that modern tool you show around 19:00?

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    I think you may be referring to something made by Lie-Nielsen - they have a website.

  • @roscotheclown
    @roscotheclown Жыл бұрын

    With these routers I was interested in finding one that does an ogee cut? Is there such a one?

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Quite possibly. The Lie-Nielsen one with blanks might do the job.

  • @richardhart7652
    @richardhart7652 Жыл бұрын

    Another interesting video but a couple of questions firstly if it's not rude of me to ask, were are you in the world and have you always lived there,as I cannot place your accent. I'm about to build myself a workshop and was wondering what the approximate size of yours, many thanks.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    My present video shop is in Woodstock NY in the Catskills, and is not terribly big - as wide as you can see and maybe a little over twenty feet long. Having been born in England I have slightly acquired a little American accent.

  • @richardhart7652

    @richardhart7652

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gjbmunc I thought that about the accent,west country? Thanks for the info

  • @mypony891
    @mypony8912 ай бұрын

    How do you sharpen any of those blades that are profiled

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    2 ай бұрын

    First flatten the back then trace the shape of the sole onto the iron and use a file. Episode coming soon!

  • @mypony891

    @mypony891

    2 ай бұрын

    @@gjbmunc Thanks!

  • @RobCardIV
    @RobCardIV Жыл бұрын

    root route root route. thank you sir 1978.

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    You're welcome.

  • @QuadDoc
    @QuadDoc Жыл бұрын

    Great videos! I’ve seen them all and I have been watching from the very beginning. I haven’t left a comment yet because there are so many that I’m sure you don’t get to read every single one. Over all of your videos I appreciate your knowledge and the information that you bring to those in need of this style of traditional woodworking. If I were to have one creative critique of something that we’ve recognized since the beginning it would be, maybe try to be less condescending to those who don’t completely subscribe to your way of thinking and style of woodworking. There is more than one way to skin our woodworking cat. Try not to stereotype the viewers by saying things like “Your electric router…” has “…stolen the name of the original tool.” 19:34, 12:43, 1:07, 0:37 It may feel as if you’re saying that we’ve stolen something. Try not to be prejudiced against the viewer because it may not help to bring those who are looking for different ways of working wood, to the traditional ways. Just try not to assume that we all are one of those “other people” that have electric routers “…or what people now call ‘routers’” 19:36 because that puts you in a different and opposing category, against the viewer, rather than working with us. By being cognizant of what may be seen as simple semantics, it will hopefully keep viewers returning, who would otherwise be turned off by what some have called a “Cavalier style of Woodcraft.” Everyone has their own style, as you well know, and as we’ve seen in your 4th episode with the cool Fedora hat and even in your Navy blue Marc Adams School of Woodworking apron. 😉 Also, please tell whoever is recording you, that they’re doing a great job. Ever since the video quality changed in Episode #3 or the addition of the Lav mic in #8, we can definitely tell that you guys put a lot of thought, effort, passion, money and energy into this endeavor. Not only that, we definitely recognize how much you both put into theme development, shot composition, scene framing, stage setting, lighting/shadowing, perspective and even run throughs of the material before recording. It’s also impressive that you guys can get a whole episode done in a 1-shot! But, if they (your videographer/editor/director/producer) have cut or edited an episode recently, it was very difficult to tell, that takes skill and talent! Hopefully it’s someone like your son or grandson because it would’ve been a dream come true to record something like this with my grandfather’s skills for future generations to come. Keep up the good work!! 😊👏🏼👍🏼

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Jake, Thanks for your comments. With over 11,000 subscribers it's hard not to offend someone, even unintentionally. What I am demonstrating is just one part of a varied career and I seem to have hit a niche that a lot of people appreciate so I am trying to stay on theme. However, I have at different times had other shops with every machine known to man. In this series I'm just trying to add a little balance to our increasingly hands-off electronic world. Of course, if I had a hundred chairs to build I'm not going to live long enough to do everything by hand, Nevertheless I'd hate for a lot of the old stuff to become forgotten. BTW I do stand by the fact that the modern electric router has usurped the term 'router', whereby hand routers now have to be additionally described. Also BTW it's just me and my camerman trying to do the best we can. It would be great if I had more help but it's a steep learning curve to shoot, edit, upload, and market all on your own. Fun though! Stay well, and thanks again for your comments.

  • @themeat5053
    @themeat5053 Жыл бұрын

    Are those "glazing bars," muntins or mullions?

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Vertical members may be either, The usage has changed over the years,

  • @user-io9ln1or7c
    @user-io9ln1or7cАй бұрын

    🎉

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @rostoi6985
    @rostoi6985 Жыл бұрын

    Awaiting for a Quick sentence about thé différence between a granny tooth and a router 😀 i am not english but i Would bé interested to know thé différence 😅

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    The 'granny' tooth was the original router. The main difference is that it was not electrified!

  • @rostoi6985

    @rostoi6985

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gjbmunc ok because i've almost never read "granny tooth" for thé manual router but mostly "router".

  • @keithswoodshop1193

    @keithswoodshop1193

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought the granny tooth had a straight blade, and the router plane has a 90° angle

  • @chriscluver1940

    @chriscluver1940

    Жыл бұрын

    @@keithswoodshop1193 As I understand it, an old wooden hand router plane is basically just a chisel at an angle (45 degrees or so), bevel down. On the Stanley 71 router plane, the bevel is up and the back of the blade is parallel to the sole. Then the rest of the iron is bent 90 degrees to fit the depth adjuster.

  • @markluxton3402
    @markluxton340210 ай бұрын

    You wouldn't know anyone wanting to buy some old hand planes would you? ;-) lol

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    10 ай бұрын

    Lots of people looking on ebay.

  • @markluxton3402

    @markluxton3402

    10 ай бұрын

    @@gjbmunc LOL I was kidding. That is a lot of hand planes! I just dug out a wooden plow plane with 5 chisels for it. After seeing how useful this is, I am cleaning it up. One of the wooden screws has the end broke off so this limits adjustment 😞

  • @iotaje1
    @iotaje1 Жыл бұрын

    What can the hand router do that cannot be done with an electric router tough?

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    one of the best advantages is that it can work in two planes simultaneously - up and down and side to side!

  • @iotaje1

    @iotaje1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gjbmunc You mean when using it freehand? Because electric routers can do that too?

  • @cindyharrison4191
    @cindyharrison4191 Жыл бұрын

    What's wrong with calling it by its correct name a( hags tooth plane) all this woke stuff is soon ridiculous 🙄

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually only ever heard it refered to as 'an old woman's tooth'. But I'm happy to use 'hag' if you insist!

  • @ramingr
    @ramingr Жыл бұрын

    I have made a wooden router and I also own an electric one. I've used the electric one on one project ;)

  • @gjbmunc

    @gjbmunc

    Жыл бұрын

    Good for you.