Steve Gregg wrote a book on three versions of Hell. A must read

This is legitimately one of the greatest presentations I've ever heard. It was so respectful, informative, well-handled, and wonderfully delivered - excellent job Braxton!

I got to admit, preaching is an art, and you have darn near perfected it 😃

@BraxtonHunter

21 күн бұрын

Ha! That means a lot!

Well done Braxton!

Annihilationism ftw!

I'm pretty convinced that the Bible wholeheartedly teaches conditional immortality. It's difficult to see it any other way and be consistent throughout. Also, great job, Braxton! Really well spoken, you definently have a great gift for preaching.

I loved these conferences

Great message! Humbly coming to the word of God!

Great work!!!

That was really great Braxton!

Really enjoy hearing you preach, Braxton! Tons of respect for you!! I think I want to check out Trinity soon and see what options are best for me.

@BraxtonHunter

21 күн бұрын

Thanks so much, brother!

Braxton knows how biblical annihilation is. That's why he always presents himself as "open". It's too bad making the leap is so tough for ppl. 2 Timothy 1:10 Jesus Christ our Savior has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

@DVN5381

20 күн бұрын

He abolished death…by ensuring the complete destruction of people?

Hi Braxton, really well done, presented the arguments very well. Are there any links to the presentations from the rest of the conference.

@BraxtonHunter

12 күн бұрын

I think they are now mostly available from this and previous conferences right from the rethinking hell KZread channel. Hope that helps. And thanks for the kind words.

Whatever it is, it's not something to be desired, and that's the message to take away. Jesus is the way, truth, and life. Let's follow Him and stay out of hell, whatever the form. Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

36:14 man. That's a great attitude

The way I’ve always described hell to atheists or agnostics is that if you go there it’s because you go there willingly. If you don’t like God, then why would you want to be with him? because that’s precisely what heaven is. So in a way hell is one of the greatest demonstrations of God love in letting us choose our own desire over him. The way CS Lewis put it in the end, there will only be two kinds of people: those who look to God and say thy will be done and those that God looks at and says thy will be done.

@Alien1375

20 күн бұрын

I don't know if I like God. It kinda depends on the God.

@grimlund

20 күн бұрын

I guess that you are pretty good at scaring people away from your religion.

@josephtattum6365

20 күн бұрын

@@grimlund I don’t even know what that means. Why complain if God gives you what you want. Also I don’t have a religion

@grimlund

20 күн бұрын

@@josephtattum6365 Arnt you a christian?

@grimlund

20 күн бұрын

@@josephtattum6365 Arnt you a christian?

To God be the glory.

I believe what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:28. I guess you could call me a Christian a universalist (though I don’t like the term “universalist”)

Annihilationism is just as insidious, if not more so , than eternal torment. It is God aborting a life He brought into being. God doesn’t make mistakes or do abandonment, that’s the Satan putting fear in your heart about God. Whenever “annihilation” is mentioned in the NT it’s always in relation to the destruction of the old adam of the old man, it’s never tied to the absolute cessation of a life created by God.

So whats the problem with purgatory?

Is there a view that says we are already in hell? Because I feel we are

@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus

16 күн бұрын

You might be a child of hell but you can turn from your own ways and understanding, and turn to God through his son Jesus Christ and you will have perfect peace and be transferred into the kingdom of God

@steved5960

15 күн бұрын

@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus ok thanks but I was asking if there is such a view, that hell is basically on earth?

@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus

15 күн бұрын

@steved5960 oh OK, I know that people feel that way but there isn't a biblical view I'm aware of

How is being annihilated a punishment for those People who don’t want to live forever ?

@treysmith5513

19 күн бұрын

The desire not to live is a cope, those same people will beg for their lives with a gun to their head

@craig.mirabilis.64

19 күн бұрын

@@treysmith5513 Incorrect. Thousands of People commit suicide each year. The annihilationist just assumes that everyone truly desires to live forever with the God of the Bible. It is a false assumption.

@xneutralgodx

15 күн бұрын

​With great fear but sorrow drowns it out therefore they commit suicide. People commit suicide not because there truly living but rather because there like a husk dead inside ​@@craig.mirabilis.64

@craig.mirabilis.64

14 күн бұрын

@@xneutralgodx What is truly living is not altogether agreed upon. What is truly living for one Person is not truly living for another Person.

@xneutralgodx

14 күн бұрын

@@craig.mirabilis.64 where talking about causation of sucide not simple living are life.

Putting “what your pastor WONT tell you” in the title is 100% done for views. No questions about it.

@BraxtonHunter

21 күн бұрын

Yes. It is. Also, most pastors don’t talk about this.

@jaydan3034

20 күн бұрын

Ok?

@noahfletcher3019

20 күн бұрын

My pastor definitely ignores this topic

@TrevorJamesMusic

20 күн бұрын

Lol this comment is kinda like announcing that someone's thumbnail is trying to get people to click - who posts a public vid and doesn't want it to get views? Especially if you sincerely think it brings value to people.

@unstoppablegod358

20 күн бұрын

Putting a video on KZread is 100% done for views. No question about it.

I'm sure hell's not that bad. Jesus didn't seem too concerned about it.

First, Universalists are flawed in that ECT is evidence that God made man in His image, and that includes being conscious for all eternity moving forward, albeit man has a beginning. Second, annihilationists fail to understand that God made man in His image, and this includes living forever after that, even if ECT is the consequence. Moreover, I spent many years going back and forth with God about ECT and why it was necessary, and the Holy Spirit led me to review the major significance of the reward that is eternal life mentioned in scripture and its opposite, the great consequence that is equal in measure and scope, i.e., ECT. The reward is eternally great; therefore, rejecting this eternal life through Christ carries an infinite punishment for beings gifted with being God’s image-bearers who live forever.

@tan1591

20 күн бұрын

Saying one lives forever because one is made in Gods is a non sequitur, it doesn’t entail living forever since God took away access for the living soul to live forever. “Then the Lord God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”-” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭22‬ ‭NRSV‬‬

@gilbertosoto503

20 күн бұрын

@@tan1591 why would that be? Being that I believe in ECT i think the discussions had in the Rethinking Hell conferences fill in what is missing so there would be no need for me to fill in what is missing. So go watch the videos that lay out the argument. In addition to this, your understanding of said verse is wrong. The danger is that mankind would live physically in perpetual sin. That is, physical death is necessary in order for there to be forgiveness of sin. You should read the passage in light of Hebrews 9:15-22 as the shedding of blood is unavoidable as Christ would then not have been able to die on the cross had they eaten from the tree of life in their fallen state. Moreover, humanity would have been judged like Satan with no chance of redemption who along with his angels can never have one die for their sins as they cannot die. This is what the author of Hebrews states in Hebrews 2:14-16 NLT [14] Because God's children are human beings-made of flesh and blood-the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. [15] Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying. [16] We also know that the Son did not come to help angels; he came to help the descendants of Abraham. Hebrews 9:15-22 NASBS [15] For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. [16] For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. [17] For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. [18] Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. [19] For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, [20] saying, "This IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU." [21] And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. [22] And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

@tan1591

20 күн бұрын

@@gilbertosoto503 “the danger is that mankind would live physically in perpetual sin. That is, physical death is necessary in order to there be forgiveness of sin.” That is not what the text says at all and purely eisegesis, it makes no distinction of “physical” or whatever else your assuming into the text, it simply states the Adam, the very living being, the living soul had access to immortality but its access was taken away. You can’t just assume “oh it’s just physical” into the text, it makes no such statement rather, rather one can reasonably conclude that since Adam himself is a living soul, it is the soul that was taken away from immortality.” “Gn. 2:7 refers to God forming Adam ‘from the dust of the ground’ and breathing ‘into his nostrils the breath of life’, so that man becomes a ‘living being’. The word ‘being’ translates the Hebrew word nep̄eš which, though often translated by the Eng. word ‘soul’, ought not to be interpreted in the sense suggested by Hellenistic thought (see Platonism; Soul, Origin of). It should rather be understood in its own context within the OT as indicative of men and women as living beings or persons in relationship to God and other people. The lxx translates this Heb. word nep̄eš with the Gk. word psychē, which explains the habit of interpreting this OT concept in the light of Gk. use of psychē. Yet it is surely more appropriate to understand the use of psychē (in both the lxx and the NT) in the light of the OT’s use of nep̄eš. According to Gn. 2, any conception of the soul as a separate (and separable) part or division of our being would seem to be invalid. Similarly, the popular debate concerning whether human nature is a bipartite or tripartite being has the appearance of a rather ill-founded and unhelpful irrelevancy. The human person is a ‘soul’by virtue of being a ‘body’ made alive by the ‘breath’ (or ‘Spirit’) of God ’, Ferguson & Packer (eds.),’New Dictionary of Theology’, pp. 28-29 "Barr is surely right to stress that the Genesis story as it now stands indicates that humans were not created immortal, but had (and lost) the chance to gain unending life.’, Wright, ‘The Resurrection of the Son of God’, p. 92

@tan1591

20 күн бұрын

@@gilbertosoto503 I don’t see your point in Hebrews .Of course they shouldn’t be eating the tree of life in their fallen state, but that is because God did not want people to live in their sins forever, contrary to what many ETC proponents say that God wills people to “live in their sins forever” as the “eternal punishment” being completely inconsistent with other biblical passages. That is why God killed his enemies in the biblical narrative, not torture forever. He desired people to have eternal life, and not perish. That is perish, not being tortured forever or living forever in their sins.

@grimlund

20 күн бұрын

What did God tell Adam and Eve? If they ate of the fruit they will DIE. He didnt say that they will be tormented forever. The wages of sin is death. Anyone who honestly believe that God will torture someone for eternity is absolutely insane.

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

@BraxtonHunter

20 күн бұрын

Don’t copy paste so much in one post again, please. Doing so without explanation will be deleted.

Read scholars instead of apologists.Heaven and Hell by Bart Ehrman ,or videos Robert M Price on hell.

@BraxtonHunter

20 күн бұрын

What do you think those scholars will say that a Christian apologist won’t?

@rogersacco4624

20 күн бұрын

read them and find out

@AlrightDave

20 күн бұрын

​@@rogersacco4624 thanks for the transparency

@BraxtonHunter

19 күн бұрын

I’m very well versed in the literature. Which issue do the scholars you’re thinking of raise that we don’t. I’m almost certainly familiar with the issue and can point to Christian scholars on it too. So again - are you chest thumping or would you like to mention an issue to make your point? If not we may dismiss your comment.

No, there is one view and the rest are lies.

Did they really make a cool hellfire logo and used red lights to represent hell in a cool way? Seems very distasteful to me.

@kalewidman3291

19 күн бұрын

What should they do instead? No graphics?

If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. It's I the bible.....buuuuut we don't really know anything about it...but you are going though, you are sinful.... buuut no one really agrees on what it is and how it works.... but you are definitely going... oh and we have new views on this place that our loving God made....

yep, these cultists can't agree on their nonsense yet again. They all make up what they want, showing that all of this is complete nonsense.

@nathanfosdahl4074

21 күн бұрын

Yes, yes. Your logical fallacies are adorable, can you go play outside now and let the grown-ups talk for a while?

@Jamie-Russell-CME

21 күн бұрын

Hell is destruction of soul and body.

@JamesS805

20 күн бұрын

Politics is complete nonsense. Science is complete nonsense. Sport is complete nonsense. No one can agree on these either.

@kalewidman3291

19 күн бұрын

Are you saying that because people within a view disagree on lesser issues, that they are wrong about their view altogether?

@crimsonking5961

18 күн бұрын

​@@kalewidman3291If a group of people say they have access to an all knowing being but they disagree on what happens to you after you die it's kind of a red flag that maybe these people don't have access to the all knowing being after all.