I love the pod but I'll be honest I am actually surprised at how against overemployment you guys are. A very practical way to make ends meet (regardless of the alternatives) AS LONG as the employee is bringing home the results. Most 9 to 5 jobs are soulless and don't have a meaningful enough mission behind them. Rare bad take imo but that's just me. Enjoyed the episode nevertheless!

@diarykely

26 күн бұрын

"Most 9 to 5 jobs are soulless and don't have a meaningful enough mission behind them" So the solution is to : 1/ build yourself up to get soulful jobs OR 2/ build your own thing I think that's what they wanted to say in the pod

@mitroman100

26 күн бұрын

@@diarykely that's true I think that came through the pod. But it may be the case that there is a shortage of soulful jobs/they don't pay as much for what you want to do/ requires a start from scratch in terms of skill acquisition that wouldn't be practical. It might also be the case that not everybody is as great at business as Sam and Shaan are so doing your own thing is a whole monumental thing that won't be practical for everybody. The point I'm trying to highlight is so what if someone were to stack jobs and they found that easier to do and were happy with that. My issue was not so much of the alternatives 1 & 2 that were posed, but just how much overemployment was looked down upon. Frankly it should just be another tool to increase our income. Btw I'm speaking as someone who is self-employed and is very grateful for the position that I'm in 🙂

@diarykely

26 күн бұрын

@@mitroman100 I think their biggest issue with overemployment was the ethical part (lies, deceit etc). Of course, as people who crushed it at their jobs and then became successful entrepreneurs, Shaan and Sam are probably biased. But let's not forget that they struggled to get to where they are (or at least, that's what I seem to see, especially in Sam's case) So that's maybe why they seem so against it : they chose another path, and have the feeling that anybody can do what they did (at least to some degree).

@mitroman100

26 күн бұрын

@@diarykely yh I appreciate that. This goes hand in hand with the values espoused in the pod such as doing what you can and going to extraordinary lengths to crush it at what you do - which I feel that overemployment is an extension of that! As you mentioned they are probably biased and I agree with that. Although tbh the fact that they strived and struggled (I wonder if any deceit was used in that pursuit out of pragmatism) to get to where they are should make them more sympathetic to overemployment, hence my surprise. I see no ethical quandary on not telling your boss that you have another job - it's none of their business especially if the work of their employee is satisfactory. I appreciate your points though.

@bringbackthefiretv495

26 күн бұрын

@@diarykelyI heard that too, still some people have to do two things to even get to that point.

This ep is feeling like the CEOs who talk down to employees for doing this while they happily run multiple companies and sit on multiple boards

@ErickaWilliamsCC

26 күн бұрын

Exactly

@diarykely

26 күн бұрын

But they do that in plain sight. That's the major difference imho. You have the ability to do the work required in a fraction of the time ? Go freelance and maximize your potential. You'll be even richer. Or maximize your potential at your current job : do even more. Not promoted even if you're crushing it ? Change jobs.

@gaijinshacho

26 күн бұрын

And make multiple millions doing it....

@johnkrneta5627

25 күн бұрын

You’re obviously not a CEO.

@fozitto1597

20 күн бұрын

Exactly!

Imagine not paying people enough and then telling people not to have another job

12:55 "We have no desire to do this, maybe because we dont work for anyone other than ourselves." Marinate on that statement for a minute..

Big fan of the podcast but I'm going to point out how terrifying it is for an employee with a family to only have one income stream. Furthermore, imagine being unemployed and having a family to support and applying to a job posting that has no intention of actually hiring (ghost job postings). If we're talking unethical things, ghost job postings are truly terrifying. There is data by clarify capital on this. Considering all that, employees should work multiple jobs as long as they produce results for each one. There's always focus on what the employees do and shouldn't do but seldom on what unethical practices employers are doing.

CEOs for multimillion dollar companies don’t want employees to job stack. Go figure!

What's shady about a second job? Walmart doesn't care about the shelf stocker that has a second job at Jamba Juice. If Meta is happy with the performance of a salaried employee who also has a second job, cool. If the employees performance slips, fire him. The same way Jamba would fire you if you were falling asleep at the job. They don't care that you work two jobs, as long as you produce

@aaronperry2482

26 күн бұрын

@shaanpuri's feelings of being cheated on is what I imagine is the basis for their take. They believe they are entitled to all of your "work" energy. Doesn't matter that they view you (the employee) as a solid producer, the moment they find out you're double dipping they see it as potential energy that should flow into their company being allocated elsewhere. You're now a "cheater" and "shady".

@mitroman100

26 күн бұрын

@@aaronperry2482 absolutely emotional take of them

Would be ironic if their employees started using mouse jigglers after watching this episode..

Mouse jigglers have this bad reputation and are associated to not doing anything. There are instances of that for sure, but it's also a way to say: I don't want people to judge me by my online status but by my work! Just look at the work I produce and not HOW I produce it. That's why I had created mouse shaker by clemstation in the first place, even before the pandemic. As long as you do the work, like others said, that should be the only metric.

Haha they think the classic "we're a family in this company" is real. Go make as much money as you can people

@woah99

26 күн бұрын

agreed.

Having to use a mouse jiggler only tells me the employer is an idiot. Like is that your benchmark for productivity? effing mouse movements??? really? It is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. If the worker slacks off, hands in projects late / not at all / low quality… *that’s* a problem. Sure, as a boss I have to make sure people do the job I pay them to do, but there are other ways to check that than making sure their mouse jiggles all the freaking time. I kinda lost so much respect for these two for liking this idea. What are you running sweatshops for ffs?

Sam stole from the Whole Foods salad bar yet working multiple jobs is bad? Odd place to draw the line in the sand.

@PatManfra

27 күн бұрын

because one could hurt him, and the other helped him.

@goblinmoblin4869

26 күн бұрын

"If you are willing to be clever and hard working enough to figure this out... just crush it at one job... move up the ladder" This take is bafflingly out of touch

@ConstantinWorner

26 күн бұрын

Pretty sure he'd be the first to admit his wrongdoings. Not sure why that means lying to your employer is supposed to be ok...

@mitroman100

26 күн бұрын

Agreed shockingly out of touch this episode. Rare L

@Akash.Chopra

26 күн бұрын

Though I agree with everyone's comments, and think this is one of the worse episodes I've watched, it also depends on if your employer values hard work or not. Some companies are so large and mismanaged that more work doesn't equate to more promotions.

You guys can run multiple companies if you're able to do so effectively, why can't we work multiple jobs if we can do so effectively?

@leedsdrumacademy

27 күн бұрын

You can, if your bosses know.

@goblinmoblin4869

27 күн бұрын

@@leedsdrumacademy You can, period, end of story

@ConstantinWorner

26 күн бұрын

If that's the case, why not be open about it? It's the same as having multiple relationships. If you're partner is OK with it, please go ahead. But don't hide it and go around making excuses as to why it's OK when you know exactly why it's not...

@goblinmoblin4869

26 күн бұрын

​@@ConstantinWorner My boss is not my wife and my company is not my family. Employers lay off employees the moment it is profitable to do so

@HSTRTGMS

26 күн бұрын

Yeah, but faking your job, for which your mere presence is required, if nothing else is what is at issue in this episode

obviously the business owners are against being over-employed who would've thought

You got my first name pronunciation almost perfect, bravo! Thank you for featuring Pikimov, so happy to receive your eternal respect If you would like to get more infos about my app, I'll be around Clément

@bringbackthefiretv495

26 күн бұрын

@@pikimov Hi Pikimov! I loved hearing about your product. Are you ever going to charge for it? Cause you might have to become a mouse jiggler if you don’t 🤣😁

@victorgonzalez9605

24 күн бұрын

wow, im checking your site up, if it works... this is huge for me... specially for little changes or render on the go!

I had a friend who learned to read/write braille so he could openly cheat on exams since it just looked like he had a bumpy scratch sheet of paper. Always felt like he could have done sooo much more if he realized that’s not something the average person does on the casual.

@michaelslifecycle

26 күн бұрын

Wow. That’s impressive

@mitroman100

26 күн бұрын

@@ShirleyitsJohn high IQ move

Bro if you're a coder, over-employed is definitely the move if you get paid well and have free time. Big companies are inefficient and slow sometimes so definitely can't knock a kid who can provide more value and get rewarded for it

It's called moonlighting..

My job doesn't monitor my mouse or computer. Never had a jiggler but jello 🤷‍♀️ If you were making barely enough to live on, and your company allows side hustles, it’s a great solution. You guys may not realize it’s not a bunch of kids doing this. Companies are paying very low salaries. It’s a solution for families to afford life. Consider both companies get all of the due outs done. There is zero wrong with it.

Question for both: 1) Why would it hurt either of your feelings if your employees worked two or more jobs, if their work was getting done? 2) What level of loyalty is required to get excellent work from someone?

@bringbackthefiretv495

23 күн бұрын

I'm asking because I respect you both not sure what I'm missing.

So this is why prices are so high. We gotta pay extra so they can afford to pay the mouse jigglers and still make a profit 😂

“Have you ever studied what causes car accidents?”… “Sure Haven’t” HaHa This is why I love listening to you guys.

The analogy of Shaan’s wife putting their three kids to bed all at once sounds a bit like being over employed. And also, if you take a driverless car for three hours a day, could you work a second job during that time or does your employer own you for all extra time you have somehow unlocked?

Some of us don't care about making millions and millions like you. You think we're all sipping martinis on the beach. We've been scraping by in a cutthroat market with skyrocketing inflation. We are trying to provide for our dependents. The reality is we are willing slaves - working 5am-9pm, working weekends. Our physical and mental health deteriorates. We do this to secure our loved ones.

@indianfyre

26 күн бұрын

Facts

Had a buddy that was overemployed before it was popular. He earned enough to buy two flats (no mortgage) and build a house. Now he is just cruising and enjoys middle class life without a ton of debt. Granted if he wanted to be rich-rich it was not the best strategy, but to each their own.

Those mouse jigglers are a winning product

I’m team MFM all the way. However, as Multipreneurs, I’d ask what’s the difference between let’s say this over employed trend and having a side hustle while at a job or juggling supervising multiple companies?

@leedsdrumacademy

26 күн бұрын

The main difference is that these employees are lying to their bosses. If this is all out in the open, no problem at all.

@dkaufman

26 күн бұрын

Why is it lying? They are getting job done isn't that all that matters. On the great episode with Mohnish he discussed how he got the job done and worked on his side project on the side.. which he ended up leaving and working on full time ((31:21 in The 168 hour framework)

@comprendelatino

26 күн бұрын

@@dkaufman Precisely my thoughts exactly. I literally left a startup that I had equity in, took my current job in a different more laid back feel so that I could work on business my side hustle. Now a year later I’m making more income than my job through my business and plan on going full time this Sept & I just let my team know.

@kevinbeach8743

26 күн бұрын

It sounds like the main difference is a side hustle is creating your own company where over employed is working for multiple employers at once. Do any of the over employed people tell their companies that they are working for multiple places? If not, why?

@comprendelatino

26 күн бұрын

@@kevinbeach8743 Yeah great perspective. Ultimately I agree that the people that work for me in my business now, I’d like them to be more focused on my company. However, if they are getting their work done, making it to important meetings, and finding a way to balance both, why not? I personally allow and encourage people to find their own extra sources of income be that a job or a side hustle. Think of it like freelancing or running an agency where you are working with different clients.

I have a friend with an army of people in the Philippines helping him do this. :) It makes me smile.

My mom uses a software like that. Its called she texts me and asks me to move her mouse if shes been gone too long

Please consider engaging the audience: 1) Build a profitable project live on the show. (series of episodes) 2) Interview more entrepreneurs. (with business building insights, maybe film a day in the life of) 3) Get a third host that is a little more hungry. (maybe rotate hosting with them)

Then companies need to pay per task, not by the hour

@bringbackthefiretv495

26 күн бұрын

@@emorys easier said than done when job doesn't quite equal task.

wow, sorry boys, but that take on over-employment / multiple concurrent jobs / mouse-jigglers etc was bad. i had a huge text wall written up since it hit a nerve for me, but deleted it. disappointed in this one.

@MariaLuckyxo

22 күн бұрын

I"d love to read that wall of text-:) I'm one of those weirdos that loves reading long comments. Reading the comments here shows it hit a nerve with many.

Guys, do you realize how inspiring you are to your followers, that quote that Shaan notice it from the real estate show is simply a reminder that I'm with you because I noticed the same quote myself...that's powerful hanging withe people that think alike...and a great reminder, no matter where you come from, when it comes to hustle, we are all equal

Overemployment they need the money. Its ok as long as the work was done.

The problem is that employers don't have a meaningful way to track "brain work" productivity. So their solution is to make sure you're present in an office for 8 hours or clicking or at meetings. If people are able to do 2 jobs at the same time it means both of those companies are over hiring and under paying. Workers should absolutely exploit that.

People who are doing 3 jobs at a time, should probably start a business. If you can actually pull this off while keeping your bosses happy; you’re probably made for bigger things.

overemployment is INCREDIBLE. changed my life forever. these guys are majorly out of touch on this one.

So you think if the utilization rate of cars goes up they will be used Waymo? **badum tsss** **sits back in dad chair**

Over-employment has a negative connotation, it’s more like fractional employment. It seems perfectly acceptable if someone chooses to do that. Results and contributions are the only thing that matters.

spy software is exactly the right term

How can you guys possibly be shocked about overemployment? 50% of work at every company I've ever been at is pure performance theater. I'm currently a senior business analyst and finance. Something I keep getting told all the time is don't work so fast. We're not ready to move on this yet. Well if my s*** is done then you don't want me to work ahead then I'm basically on retainer.

Another great podcast! Great for my information diet! Thank you guys!

More than 1 job? Been doing it since 2013 and still run my own business

Yo I want Shaan's shirt

Hey, as long as they aren't competing companies and they give results helping your company, who cares!!!

How do you get around meeting schedule

let's add mouse-jiggler to the dictionary 😁

Their viewpoint on cars is very urban-centric. This is a prevalent viewpoint among the urban elitists, particularly on the coasts, but pretty much in every densely populated urban center. They seem to think that the "rubes" who live in "fly over country" (where all the food comes from) are irrelevant. If they want their self-driving cars in the cities, fine. But trying to impose this on everyone across the nation through government force (not that these guys suggested that) is major over-reach. Cars = Freedom (especially ICE cars) which is why the elitists want them eliminated. Much easier to control people when you can turn off their software-powered cars remotely with the push of a button.

I really thought Sam would be down with overemployed

i'm in debt bro. how do i get out of it? earn more... how do i earn more, get another job. tell me an alternative and we can talk.

Topic for future pods - have y'all heard of Buildspace yet? What do you think about that mini yc like community?

Waymo works super well??? LOL. There's so much wrong with Tesla auto-pilot too!

I use one while I eat lunch or go to the bathroom. It's because slack will set you to away in like 5 minutes or something, even though I have the app on my phone...

Pikimov is such a huge deal! Thanks for sharing !

if theyre doing the job well - who cares?!

MFM - The only podcast that truly makes me smile 😅

0:20 2020 actually.

I support over employment…what’s the difference with starting a side hustle

"You spend so much of your time trying to get noticed, Instead of trying to be great. If you spend half the time just trying to be great, you'd be so great that everybody would have to notice you." 😉

Love the strawberries story-turned allegory

Why does it matter if you’re using a mouse jiggler if you’re getting your tasks done?

Yikes - this one gives me Two Bears One Cave arc vibes.

genial sus charlas

If people are using mouse jigglers to fake productivity, is that even a real job in the first place? If I were a CEO I only care about results and about your availability during work hours, if you do the job and respond when I contact you I don't you have 1 job or 1000 jobs.

Is Grant Cardone selling useless info?

Doesn’t he know that the pandemic hit in 2020, not 2021?

Most Americans will not want to lose the optionality that comes from owning a car. An american without a car is like a cowboy without a horse.

@KayFabe87

26 күн бұрын

Their viewpoint on cars is very urban-centric. This is a prevalent viewpoint among the urban elitists, particularly on the coasts, but pretty much in every densely populated urban center. They seem to think that the "rubes" who live in "fly over country" (where all the food comes from) are irrelevant. If they want their self-driving cars in the cities, fine. But trying to impose this on everyone across the nation through government force (not that these guys suggested that) is major over-reach. Cars = Freedom (especially ICE cars) which is why the elitists want them eliminated.

7.9

“Just go start your own business!” …… cmon man 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽

What a bad take on over-employment. When you’re paid a salary, you are paid based on your results not time, i am not defending over-employment, but its a really bad take form you guys!

why waste valuable time thinking about whether or not your employees are cheating on you if they are generating excellent results for you?

Most people don't have the luxury to work in the type of environment you did. How is this any different than what you have done by starting a business while still employed? Im pretty sure some of your guests have that too. The other thing you're missing is most average jobs dont pay much. Especially right now with all the inflation going on. Have you looked at the news lately? Maybe having your property insurance and taxes go up %30-40 percent isnt going to make or break you because hey you already have millions but the average person is different. And if you don't own your house, have you looked at the rents vs. wages? You guys are hilarious.

Fifth comment 🤙

1st

Monitor performance and metrics for making the entity grow.

Great transmission, as always. I appreciate the no-nonsense you take to the news and the markets. A lot has changed and that's about it,but the truth is that I don't even much about the bull or bear market anymore because Juliaan covered me while I'm doing comfortable.45k 67k every week and I'm still counting thanks to her❤️

Being overemployed is the same as being in multiple relatioships. If your boss/partner knows about it, by all means go ahead. But if you're lying about it, it's clearly wrong. Own your decisions and take responsibility for them for Christ's sake

@goblinmoblin4869

26 күн бұрын

This analogy would imply that the boss/wife is constantly cheating on you and expecting you to remain faithful

@constantinwornerpapenberg4260

26 күн бұрын

If boss/significant other happens to be a liar, does that make it ok for you to be too? Not sure it's the best way to carry yourself through life tbh

@goblinmoblin4869

26 күн бұрын

​@@constantinwornerpapenberg4260 The boss has no guilt running multiple companies yet expects employees to be monogamous as a matter of morality. I'm sure you can see the folly of this analogy if you think hard enough.

@constantinwornerpapenberg4260

26 күн бұрын

@@goblinmoblin4869When you sign a contract with your employer you're agreeing to what's being stated in the contract. I've never seen a contract where the company owner is stating he won't start new businesses. The employee however is agreeing to a full time commitment most of the times and that's why he gets paid. I see many in the comments want the benefits of owning a business without putting in the work of actually doing it!

@diarykely

26 күн бұрын

If you're not happy in a relationship, and you see the other party is cheating on you ? You should leave. Not take that as an excuse to cheat as well.

It’s not the fact that people hold multiple jobs that bothers me. It’s getting paid by two or three companies for the same 40 or 50 hours worked. That’s really just stealing. I doubt most of these people are putting in a full work week for two companies. If they are, then I don’t have an issue with it.

@goblinmoblin4869

26 күн бұрын

Many full time remote employees with 1 job put in

@nickbailey7429

26 күн бұрын

@@goblinmoblin4869 that just sounds like a wasteful company. It’s shocking to me someone would get paid full time for working one hour a week. I work full time in small business where there isn’t enough fat for people to be unproductive. Also, I just wouldn’t like the feeling of not actually working. At that point it’s not much different than receiving unemployment. In fact, it’s only 4 hours a month different and a lot more income.

@woah99

26 күн бұрын

It is not stealing.

@duanehutchison9155

23 күн бұрын

It would only be stealing if the company is paying you for your time and not for your output. If the company is paying you to get a job done and you can do that, who cares about anything else.