start every video with a blank stare and no emotion in the tone and you just say "Hi." after 5 seconds of staring, then cut to you acting normally

@theplaguedoctor6271

2 ай бұрын

Jerma behaviour

@randomassjellyfish

2 ай бұрын

or he can start the video with "alright that's it. See you in the next video" then cut into the real video so he can gaslight people into thinking they were high and just missed 90% of the video

@aliyutube

Ай бұрын

Hi Forrest here, I was not good enough... *few second stare* Or is it?

I think the thing I appreciate most about this is knowing I can fuck up and not end my entire art career and live in the woods eating bugs. Nice to know im allowed to fail because its for sure whats hindering my art progress the most

@DukePaints

2 ай бұрын

A follow up to this, it would be super insightful to kind of hear how these clients reached out and the steps you took leading up to going freelance fulltime

Starting a video with a "Hi" is: - Boring - Normal - Within the natural scope of anyone's expectations Instead, start a video with a "Bye" instead. It's: - Surprising - Unusual - Catches people off guard - Gaslights people into thinking they were drunk and just got back into reality

9 league pieces in 3 months?!?!?! Dude riot are outta their mind for that request smh. And why even ask how many you could take on, only to “um actually “ you and demand essentially double the work. All of that just doesn’t sit well with me. Also great video, I really appreciate the insight, and for what it’s worth I really liked the colors in your og snake final piece :)

@DelRae

2 ай бұрын

Average large business demands in the gaming industry tbh. Theyre super impatient 😭😭😭😭 doesn’t mean it’s good though

Just hearing this is giving me PTSD of my early days as a 3d artists. that shitty feeling still haunts me

When I did my first magic card I had put so much pressure on myself that I had ended up spending over 70 hours and re painting it 5 or 6 times, I turned in a unfinished not rendered final piece. Not to mention I was weeks past the deadline due to me not able to get it right. The art director was really nice about and it and completely understood, I was sure I was never going to get hired again but I’m now on my 4th card! WotC has amazing art directors that are glad to give you a second chance!

@wordydird

2 ай бұрын

I'm thankful to hear they were kind about it. They could probably tell you tried your damndest. Sometimes you just can't get the art to cooperate. Your art is lovely btw!

I absolutely love this, it’s definitely something that you never see artists talk about but it’s something we’ve all gone through. I think it’s especially difficult because a lot of us are already really critical of our own work so having those fears validated can be super devastating. But it’s important to learn from your missteps and understand why X piece wasn’t up to the quality standard of your other work.

These types of videos should be more common (not just from you in particular, Forrest!). It helps artists of every skill and background understand that getting work from a big company is a fleeting reward. It's easy to set a goal and name a company that we'd love to work for, but it's unimaginably harder meeting their expectations once that chance is given. Also, when you said you've gone through 1 year with that commitment to never fail a client again, that hits very close to home. Appreciate your time and effort in putting this video out for us!

I really love clients who give honest feedback, regardless of whether they hire me again or not. Some of the roughest clients I've had in terms of revisions and such have ended up being the biggest learning curves.

It kinda blows my mind seeing this video looking behind the curtain because I would've never imagined that Riot would've given you such a hard time. Seeing Troll Scavenger is how I fell in love with your art

catchphrase ideas: -sup bucko!!! -wazzaaaap (with finger guns) -yo yo yo! (with sunglasses and finger guns) -whatsup beings! (objectively the most gender neutral term you can use) -*jump into frame* you wont BELIEVE, how i got into THIS blunder! *tacky transition* -*gunshot noises* *helicopter falls towards screen* *car crash* *zombies* *alien lazers* (and then just start the video without an introduction) -AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (just look into the camera and scream) -*sit down on your chair with a mug in your hand* *sip from a different empty cup with that has that almost empty smoothie cup sound effect* *look into the camera really tired* "aight" (then start video) -heyo :333 (with excited wave) -WHATS UP ************ ??? (unknown censored word thats wayyy too long to be any kind of offensive word) -WHATS UP BROS?? (in mario costume) thats all i hope you like my very genuine suggestions

Once again I am reminded that sometimes a job is just a job and you take what you can learn so you can move on wiser. Thanks for sharing, appreciated this video a lot!

Stuff like these get hidden a lot I hope more professionals talk about their humble beginnings just like these

Cynthia Sheppard is an awesome AD. You had a great opportunity to learn from her on your first MtG card.

Thanks for this video. currently dealing with this and its been weighing on me. Feeling unmotivated to make personal work or client work. This video helps to show it's normal, and you just got to keep trying.

Love your videos man! Its understandably a rare thing for an artist to discuss the inner details of projects that don't go super well and to only focus on the successful ones. ITs a vulnerable topic to talk about and I think for a lot of artists its almost like it highlights a insecurity/imposter symdrome they might have internally. But I think what you're talking about is super important, we're living at a time now where social media and is pushing for almost 'perfect' content from artists and I think younger and inexperienced artist can get strongly demotivated by an impossible standard/super ability to make perfect art at all times. So thank you very much for these videos they are very insightful.

I think this is actually motivating, as an artist that isn't even on YOUR level yet, to see that even you struggle with getting it right every time

Thanks for sharing this! I’m just a hobbyist artist and was looking to do commissions but I’ve always been afraid of not meeting expectations 😭. It definitely helps seeing other’s experience. Love your videos!

sometimes a client will have vague notions of what they want that that don't make visual sense ("everything needs to look BIG, you can't put anything small in the picture") and you are fighting a losing battle, but sometimes you get a finished piece back with some significant feedback that seems demoralizing, but can jolt you into taking an extra step beyond what you otherwise would and results in a vastly superior piece of art with relatively small extra time investment. A lot of this comes down to learning to interpret what the client wants when they may not be able to communicate the idea clearly. A collaborative piece where both parties are open minded is usually how the best work is created, and this takes humility and thick skin on both sides.

My last client made be quit doing commissions…like they wanted so much and I was trying my absolute best thank goodness they were happy with the end result. But I’ll never put in that much time and hours again for paid work. I’ll rather just draw for myself and enjoy the hobby lol

@snoot6629

2 ай бұрын

i totally get you , ive been slaving away for a very detailed picture rn of 3 characters for 75USD , and man the client wants it to be like duel masters card lvl of detail and its like been thru 5 revisions now it sucks

Sorry for your experiance, but this was quite entertaining. Just like listening to the bomb stories of comedians. This should be an actual trend in the art community

thank you so much for posting this stuff. either im dumb and its impossible to find this type of content (professionals talking about their experience) or there's rly a shortage of it

Holy content batman!

Thank you so much for sharing!

Thank you so much sir, this is gold.

That was super interesting, thank you for sharing this !

I'm absolutely loving these videos

completely unrelated, im not sure if its a camera filter or what, but damn your skin is so smooth it looks like one of those hyper airbrushed pieces by beginners. not trying to be mean it doesn't actually matter but now that i saw it i cant unsee it my bad lmao.

@insanneous

2 ай бұрын

got that skincare on lock

This is really eye opening and making me realize how much more I need to practice and learn. I never want to let anyone down, but it's really helpful to see what exactly happens when there's a mismatch in expectations in the art working world. Thanks for sharing!

What an amazing video! Thanks for this! Never saw a video talking about this subject, really helps upcoming artists!

you actually going over old pieces and saying what you'd do different now is an amazing idea for content tbh

@ForrestImel

2 ай бұрын

shh, you'll spoil my future videos :o

@SweatiestDegree

2 ай бұрын

I better get some brownie points for outing your schemes! you ever think of doing like a mentorship or something? would love to get my stuff looked at by you to get some guidance @@ForrestImel

@SweatiestDegree

2 ай бұрын

oopsie doopsie :o you ever think you doing like a mentorship or critiques? would love to get my stuff looked at by you and get some guidance , also would make fire content I think@@ForrestImel

This is a really great video. Demystifying the process of concept art especially revisions and paint overs.

This is gold! Thanks I always wanted to know more about the challenges of working on these kind of proyects.

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!, I had always had this doubt about what happens when you don’t reach the expectations. As an aspiring artist, this helps so much to bring perspective and set an example of how to take the criticism and improve.

i relate so much to knowing you work isn’t at the level you need it to be but not knowing how to get there, that’s part of the reason i found your channel :)

Im kinda worried now even though I’m not really aiming to that kind of art work but yeah great video. And for the intro you should do a flip and then say « hi ».

thanks a lot very relatable, not enough people talk abouit this side of the job

Thanks for doing this kind of video, Forrest. It's such an important topic that no one talks about, so thank you.

Great video man, nice bit of insight into the work artists actually have to do. The highs, lows and everything in-between it takes to make great art :)

I am just so happy I found your channel. You are funny, informative and talented. I really needed to see this side of the industry, it helps me feel like it's okay to fail if you give it your all and at least fail up (turn it into a learning experience). I'm really struggling with my art and what I want to do after loosing my first "big boy job" as a graphics designer of 5 years. Your videos have sparked confidence back into my work, and for that I am so grateful that you make these videos. Happy Monday!

Just discovered your channel, and this has been an absolutely fantastic morning listen. You have a really great cadence and way of talking about your process, and I felt like I leveled up in my art understanding just by ambiently listening while doodling along. Fantastic stuff; subscribed!

thank you for making a video talking about this because i’ve gone through so much failure and it always hurts😭😭

Really interesting video I can definitely relate to some of these struggles.

You're a god man. please keep uploading.

It's interesting to hear these. Somehow I always wonder how can people even land those jobs they are not just quite ready for yet. Definitely understand the frustrations and pressure, but also envious of the paid learning opportunity heh. Grass seems always greener and all that.

FINALLY I REMEMBER WHO YOU RESEMBLE OMG YOU ARE LITERALLY THAT GUY FROM THE COMIC SERIES "TIM UND STRUPPI" OMGGGG

@helena197

2 ай бұрын

ITS YOU

@oliv9008

2 ай бұрын

It's tintin in English!

@helena197

2 ай бұрын

@@oliv9008 yeah i figured but the google searh only showed me the movie and not the comics

@NicolasCharly

2 ай бұрын

@@oliv9008It's Tintin in French.

When I look at most of these drawings I think "how is that not good? How am I even supposed to have a chance?". But I remember that I thought like that even 2 years ago when my art was much worse than now x) Now I think you really showing an example of not giving up and taking time to master things ❤

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences! This video was so helpful in many areas. How to deal with expectations, time management, pressure at the beginning at a freelancer carrier - I am at that point and I feel like I have to take on challenges to learn what I can do, what I have to improve on and to grow as an artist. So much of what you said resonated with me and was helpful. Although this was not an art tutorial video I also picked up a lot of tips about your process. Really thank you so much, this was so helpful and motivating. I saw your gumroad shop but I was wondering if you offer any kind of mentorship or other courses beside these?

Im so glad youre back man. You're one of the only pro artists that is not afraid to talk about when things go wrong, and for me that is the most valuable because we can learn from your past mistakes and make our journey easier. I do 3D, but I think the same concept applies here. Gotta use tons of reference, do a good research of the subject and really focus on the intial or blockin phases, because as you said, the rest is just polishing.

I've started drawing 4 years ago and i look at your failed art and i barely see the mistakes that you see. I need to develop my skills better if i want to take art as a serious career. Illustrating is so hard and time consuming but hey at least i get a half decent image by the end of the 2 month hell that is rendering

make more vids, ur so good to listen

Thank you 😀

You're seriously the only one where I have the patience and endurance to watch an art content that's more than 10mins, I even watched your vid that was almost an hour long, I love everything about this, even your intro haha

Nice to get information about what goes into this work without the infallible superior attitude of some art tutorial video makers. You do great work and your insights are very relatable!

Hearing Riot games intentionally putting more pressure on a group who set their boundaries early on is just... so classic Riot games.

Not good enough? that looks amazing

How did you get these jobs specifically? I would like to get ones like these but I can’t find them.

did you have to redo the artwork until they were satisfied with it when you handed in the final final version of the work or they just had to accept it and you had return some money if it wasnt up to the standard?

@ForrestImel

2 ай бұрын

Most of the time it is up to the client on whether they think it is a lost cause or not. In the case of LoR, most of the images I did were needed to be redone by another studio. But in Magic’s case they trusted I could get it to a presentable state so they just offered a couple rounds of feedback and then we were good. It really depends. Most of the time clients have been kind enough to still pay for the work though. I’ve yet to do work for a client that then said they weren’t gonna pay me the full amount still, I’m sure it happens but I haven’t experienced it yet.

@allanredhill8682

2 ай бұрын

​@@ForrestImel would the clients even be in the right to denie payment even if the piece doesnt turn out? Because they hired you and even if the end result isnt quite up to their standarts you spent time working on it - wich should be compensated. Ofc if you hand in a stick figure or smt ridiculous thats obv different but assuming you did give it a fair shot?

how you edit this kind of drawings pls learn us

is the breakdown and explanation on what u saw wrong is what the client saw as well? because u said the client wasn't satisfied but i cant rly see why, it seemed passable. but is it because of the small inconsistencies u said it was or was it just the overall final piece and how it feels? have you seen what really was wrong with the piece? and if so what was it and how to make it better

Im curious to know how you even get a job in the first place. Like interviews where to look for job postings etc

@ForrestImel

2 ай бұрын

It's becoming harder to answer this question since I'm now becoming an old grumpus that has to resort to saying "back in my day." I honestly don't know where the best place to get work is nowadays, especially for smaller commissions or job offers. It used to be that I'd go and post on like 6-7 different art forums that had specific "jop" sections, but I don't think any of those forums are still around. If I were to guess, reddit, discord channels, maybe even places like etsy, might be a good place to start advertising your work to look for commissions. Eventually when you get a large enough network of artists on social media you can just ask people for recommendations or suggestions and say you are looking for work. Usually people are nice enough to share it around and if your work is of a certain level you are pretty likely to get some type of work.

@Mimiq_

2 ай бұрын

@@ForrestImel yeah i was thinking how the times have changed but yeah I posted commission info in discord servers and there was also people looking for commissions that id dm. Gotta stop neglecting my socials lol🥲 Thanks for responding I'll try pushing my work out there more

can i download your brush im new to adobe photoshop

do the v sauce thing where the camera is like, in a fridge or under a pile of sand or something and then pull it out with an uncomfortable amount of exuberance.

Hi! You don't need a catchphrase :D Maybe I am a mistfit but I don't watch videos because of them, I usually straight up just skip the whole intro. :D That 15 sec where you suppose to capture my attention :D I just skip it, they are the same click baity sh*t. Hate them. So just please be yourself, you don't need to follow every "youtube rule"

Didn't know that Tintin had an art channel

im the only one that hates MTG bland and homogeneous art direction the last years? like, all cards looks like made by the same digital artist...

@snoot6629

2 ай бұрын

yeahhh , but there isnt much wiggle room in art direction when their artists are getting paid 100USD for a card illustration lol

@noradi123

2 ай бұрын

Homogeneous yes but definitely not bland lol

bro just stop making you not having an intro as a joke

Sorry, but I get better results with a few minutes of AI. You're clinging to finger-painting but the brush was invented.

When a client dosemt like your art... you.... admit that AI replaced you, and go get a real job.

@Minish4rk360

2 ай бұрын

Nah, AI can't truly replace human creativity.

AMAZING!! keep them coming! enjoy a lot hearing your thoughts and knowledge!

i love the content please keep it up its so interesting