2x12” guitar cabs - vertical or horizontal? SCIENCE then SONICS! Uprising 212V vs Radical 212H

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Skip to 8 minutes 18 seconds to hear them! Don’t skip if you want to know WHY we make two 212 AVD guitar cabs and why they’re not identical bar the feet, handles and badge orientation.

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  • @marxug1
    @marxug1 Жыл бұрын

    I’d like to see a demo where you walk around the room with the mic, get close up to the cabinet, stand over it, beside it, etc., since your big selling point is the dispersion. It’d be cool to see it in side-by-side comparison with a Marshall cab or other such, to see the true effect of your innovative cabinet design.

  • @JoeHartRocks
    @JoeHartRocks2 жыл бұрын

    Wow!! Right around the 12:30 mark, I can REALLY hear a huge difference!! The vertical cab is (to me) fizzy and thin and the horizontal cab is thick and huge-sounding. Not really a subtle difference at all!!! UNLESS.... it's mic placement, room acoustics, proximity to a reflective surface... But the vertical cab sounds amazing!!!!

  • @MusicHyde
    @MusicHyde4 жыл бұрын

    Cool video, these cabs are very impressive! Would love to hear them in a more metal / heavy rock style though.

  • @MrKnisterable

    @MrKnisterable

    2 жыл бұрын

    Plus one

  • @merlin5420

    @merlin5420

    2 жыл бұрын

    12:30

  • @EpicStuffMan1000
    @EpicStuffMan10004 жыл бұрын

    I can verify the "universally liked" thing. I chose the uprising because of my lunchbox head, but it's fascinating to hear the science between the two cabs.

  • @massimos6863
    @massimos68633 жыл бұрын

    Awesome Speaker cabinets ❤🎸👌👍👍

  • @gtirard
    @gtirard4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, great explanations

  • @TimpBizkit
    @TimpBizkit2 жыл бұрын

    I know Bill Fitzmaurice solved the 2 x 12 horizontal dispersion problem by cross firing the drivers and angling them upwards. The only problem is the cross firing arrangement does take up a bit more cabinet volume and you have to make the cab slightly bigger to fit the concave baffle that steals box volume.

  • @mattfleming2287
    @mattfleming22874 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Glad to see you guys posting more. There is a difference between the two. The Radical sounds like a Marshall cab and the Vertical more of an open back, kind of. Anyway, could you do some demos with drums and bass-that's the whole point really, isn't it? Lot's of things sound great on their own (modelers especially) but in a band context just don't work. I've been spreading the word of Barefaced to every guitar channel I can find. Nothing beats my Radical and I want more people to know you CAN get a great sounding 2x12 that is easily as loud as any 4x12. Also, play up how light they are-there are a lot of older guitarists these days and that is a major selling point. It's smaller, lighter weight, sounds as good as or better than any 4x12 I've ever tried. You guys should hit up all the guitarists on KZread to do demos. If people learn about you, you will sell cabs. Especially to metal players. The low end on the Radical is insane. Metal guys like low end. Just compare it to a Marshall 4x12 and you'll sell like hotcakes. Yeah, you ain't cheap, but for what you get you guys are a bargain.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I agree with all of this. It simply comes down to time - we're a very small company and we're doing everything, we don't just design and market the products, we build and sell and ship them too. Just nailing down youtubers to do anything without being paid is a full-time job in itself!

  • @DavidKim-sy4lx
    @DavidKim-sy4lx Жыл бұрын

    8:20 - Uprising - Funk 9:09 - Radical - Funk 9:57 - Uprising - R&B 10:36 - Uprising - Rock 11:13 - Radical - R&B 11:52 - Radical - Rock 12:18 - Uprising - Led Zeppelin 12:49 - Radical - Led Zeppelin 13:18 - Uprising - Foo Fighters Tele Neck 14:03 - Radical - Foo Fighters Tele Neck 14:55 - Uprising - Foo Fighters Strat 15:50 - Radical - Foo Fighters Strat 16:47 - Uprising - Jimi 17:36 - Radical - Jimi

  • @theRodofwar
    @theRodofwar4 жыл бұрын

    WoW !!!!!!! Great explanation of these 2 cabs. now to truly hear a perfect A/B comparison, Can you make a video where the Uprising and the Radical are BOTH in a Vertical position and then a 2nd A/B comparison where they are both in a Horizontal position.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    We shall do that - it'll be interesting!

  • @theRodofwar

    @theRodofwar

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio COOL. that way I'll be able to see which one is the better one to purchase for me.

  • @scottwood3235

    @scottwood3235

    2 жыл бұрын

    It appears from the tutorial section that the dispersion is designed into each cab for it's intended orientation, therefore they wouldn't sound correct if not used in that manner. It would be interesting to hear though because depending on permitted space when setting up, one may be forced to use the horizontal cab vertically or vise versa. That's still a solid argument for the ole standard cab in this instance.

  • @Itsallawesome
    @Itsallawesome3 жыл бұрын

    I like the way vertical sounds. more spacious type of sound

  • @ianedmonds9191

    @ianedmonds9191

    2 жыл бұрын

    It sounds better until the heavily distorted stuff then it sounds a bit muddy by comparison. Maybe the lack of aggressive crossover?

  • @MegaTubescreamer
    @MegaTubescreamer2 жыл бұрын

    you have an inovative development in these defractor cabs, my curiosity is triggered to consider the performance when they are in close proximity to a wall for example ,what if any effect would be evident in overall response with the rear of your cab placed at varying distances from that reflective surface, i am fascinated by the apparent improvement in your design over conventional cabs !

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    As you move the cabs closer to a wall, the lows get bigger, just as with any guitar cab because you're affecting a wider bandwidth in the lows where you're getting boundary reinforcement from the omni-directional low frequency output . All speakers are omni-directional at low frequencies so they all do this. The mid-high output of the AVD changes much more subtly with changing distances from rear/side walls - once the cab is more than about thirty feet from any rear/side walls it sounds more like a normal cab but any less than that and you get the increased audibility of the AVD system.

  • @MegaTubescreamer

    @MegaTubescreamer

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio brilliant reply, thanks alex, you deserve every bit of success coming to you, rock on !!

  • @ianedmonds9191
    @ianedmonds91912 жыл бұрын

    Really impressed with this product line. I'd settled on buying a Harley benton 2x12 but you've upset my decision and now considering the merits spending £500 more. Keep the innovation coming. I love it. Luv and Peace.

  • @atomheart411
    @atomheart4113 жыл бұрын

    Were you over powering the mic at the end? Kind of sounds like it. But the horizontal was much clearer with high gain.

  • @GGRetroRally
    @GGRetroRally4 жыл бұрын

    OMG, even listening to this just on an iPhone (not even with headphones), there is a massive tonal difference between them. The horizontal seems to have more mids and treble and it’s very noticeable. Would never of thought that. Oh and while it says you don’t sell vertical humanoids, what about horizontal ones 😝😜😂

  • @beetle5000
    @beetle50004 жыл бұрын

    Do you sell any horizontal humans? I can’t wait to buy one of these cabs when I have the funds btw, really excited

  • @benrosow7997
    @benrosow79972 жыл бұрын

    The vertical seems to have more upper mids while the horizontal appears to have more bass, slightly acooped mids, and less upper mid definition. Less in your face. I hear the horizontal being better for highly distorted Hendrix style leads and scooped chunky grunge rhythm. Reminds me of the dif between the Blug nanocab and fatcab. I expected the larger fatcab to be bassier but it actually had more upper end definition.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Conveniently it feels as if the Radical better suits the kind of sounds that better suit bigger amp heads which would look silly on top of tall narrow cab!

  • @benrosow7997

    @benrosow7997

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio Now, have you ever experiemented with difraction on the front?

  • @merlin5420

    @merlin5420

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol the guy 2 below this comment reckons the exact opposite

  • @benrosow7997

    @benrosow7997

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@merlin5420 yeah, different ears, different brains.

  • @aorsoul...7532
    @aorsoul...75324 жыл бұрын

    Very useful vid again, thanks. Can either cab be wired at 8 ohms or are 16 and 4 the only options? Cheers.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    You can specify different driver impedances/wiring when ordering to get 4, 8 or 16 ohm!

  • @aorsoul...7532

    @aorsoul...7532

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio thank you.

  • @aorsoul...7532
    @aorsoul...75323 жыл бұрын

    Great vid. In the horizontal cab, if I were to have a Vintage 30 and a heavy magnet G12, which would be best suited to be cut by the crossover, in your opinion? Thanks.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! The speaker on the badge side (left) is full-range with the AVD behind, the speaker on the other side (right) is low passed without an AVD behind it (but it drives the other AVD+ system in the lows). So you'll get most of your highs from the left speaker, the direct mids will be from both, the AVD mids and highs will be from the left, and the lows will be from both. The AVD output dominates what you hear when you're standing right next to it or way off to the side. From that you can see that the left speaker is the one that generates most of the tone. Generally people replace a V30 with something else because they want a different vibe in the mids and highs - it's hard to fault the sheer output or the lows of the V30 (unless you have tons of amp power). So with a mixed speaker Radical 212H it's V30 on the right and whatever else on the left. Does that make sense? A

  • @aorsoul...7532

    @aorsoul...7532

    3 жыл бұрын

    It does indeed. Many thanks.

  • @cliffbarnes4217
    @cliffbarnes42173 жыл бұрын

    These cabs sound amazing for rock! The big question is, how do they sound for Modern Metal? "Will It Chugg"?

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    We've got quite a lot of metallers using them, so I guess they do. The low frequency response is better than closed-back cabs so they should chug really well - we just don't have any metal guitarists working here now so making metal demo videos is a challenge! (I play metal bass but fingerstyle so can't pretend to do palm-mute metal rhythm guitar). A

  • @midnighthour4299
    @midnighthour42992 жыл бұрын

    I would suggest that the bass cut switch is redundant on the vertical cab.(it certainly is on mine)

  • @dylanporter8105

    @dylanporter8105

    2 жыл бұрын

    You could always try turn it horizontal might be better there could be a cool tone

  • @konanpanagiotopoulos2733
    @konanpanagiotopoulos27333 жыл бұрын

    Can I change the speakers by myself if I decide to try something different or am I stucked with the option that I bought??? Also...can I move the microphone in a recording and get different souns the same way as if a had an ordinary cab??

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, you can change the speakers by yourself - I'll be making a video to explain this because they're front loaded and the grill has to come off first. When close-miced they behave just like standard guitar cabs. A

  • @GeauxSaints121
    @GeauxSaints1213 жыл бұрын

    I like the sound of the Vertical Cab over the Horizontal Cab but I have always turned my 212s vertical so maybe I am just used to that sound. I Would like to hear some demos with a Celestion Cream back M 65! I know people love the V30 but there is something about the speaker that sounds too fizzy to me.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    The V30 has a lot of treble, it's definitely not for everyone. If you like the G12M-65 Creamback in a normal cab then you'll like it more in these!

  • @paulwatson9217

    @paulwatson9217

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio So the Creamback NEO would be a great upgrade I guess? With the added bonus of lighter cab to boot.

  • @slash196
    @slash1964 жыл бұрын

    That's a very hot room! Throw some acoustic panels on the walls, it makes it a little hard to hear the sound demos with all that hard reverb.

  • @Drum_Beats_Guitar_Riffs

    @Drum_Beats_Guitar_Riffs

    4 жыл бұрын

    Its not a 'hot' room as you put it. I have drummed in there and its quite dead given the height of the ceiling...

  • @MW47742
    @MW477423 жыл бұрын

    The vertical looks better, the horizontal sounds better. How about using the horizontal cab upright?

  • @MegaTubescreamer
    @MegaTubescreamer Жыл бұрын

    get in there!! robben ford,,😎😀

  • @stephenpertesis3204
    @stephenpertesis3204 Жыл бұрын

    how does your vertical 2x12 with AVB compare to a half open-back 4x12 in terms of dispersion?

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    Жыл бұрын

    Much better - a half-open 4x12" has very narrow frontal dispersion and although there is rearward output to help, its not got the AVD to diffract it and reduce standing waves, so it'll be boxy sounding and inconsistent.

  • @midnighthour4299
    @midnighthour42992 жыл бұрын

    Does the horizontal cab sound fuller due to floor contact area being larger than the vertical one?

  • @thejoetandy

    @thejoetandy

    Жыл бұрын

    Floor coupling, rather than floor contact. The sound is interacting with less air/in a different way because of the floor being in front of where the vibrating air exits the cabinet.

  • @Drum_Beats_Guitar_Riffs
    @Drum_Beats_Guitar_Riffs4 жыл бұрын

    Yes yes, but where is the top of the hi hat cymbal pair? ; )

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    4 жыл бұрын

    SweeperMelis On the trolley out of shot - it was buzzing due to excessively epic guitar tones!😉

  • @russellesimonetta3835
    @russellesimonetta38353 жыл бұрын

    I think at the price point,,, I'd go with a FORTE cab they port on the sides top and bottom with a closed back. Very interesting and effective .

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve yet to see a good explanation of the science (and thus acoustic physics) behind the Forte designs - they seem to be a simple case of “we’ll put some holes in here to let the sound out”, with little consideration of wave behaviour or resonance. If anyone has any information to the contrary I’d like to hear it!

  • @russellesimonetta3835

    @russellesimonetta3835

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio yeh but it's just the concept of tuned porting. Alexander Dumble hand made cabs use a semi closed back design with an oval port and calls it a tuned port design! Semi open cabs of even early tweeds have been described as more 3 D IN character than the omnidirectional closed back designs. Your design is interesting ,,don't get me wrong.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    Our AVD cabs aren’t just ported cabs - if they were I wouldn’t have spent so much time on the R&D to create them or on the subsequent patent application. These other cabs do look like the simplest sort of “cut a hole in a panel” ported cabs - how well they’re tuned I do not know. The key thing about the AVD cabs is that we’ve designed the apparatus to act as a port at lower frequencies but at higher frequencies not only let sound pass through but improve how it fills the room with sound by using diffraction and wave loading/control.

  • @joshshultz1250

    @joshshultz1250

    10 ай бұрын

    There's diffraction panels on the forte too and the bottom chamber makes use of dampening material like you'd find in a bass cab. I like these cabs but I'm not sure I like the idea of generalizing about others to prop one's own product up. Seems slimey.

  • @nicksherman88
    @nicksherman883 жыл бұрын

    You know after searching for the Next guitar cabinet I'm gonna buy for the last 2 months I had settled on one of these 2x12 cabs Unfortunately it makes me very Frustrated and sad Because although this had turned out to be my 1st choice and was ready to Make the purchase I have not been able to get ahold of anyone nor a response from this company either through email or phone. i doubt it but 🤞 maybe someone from the company might see this and get back to me in the next day or 2 before i have to buy from another company ?

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    SGT. Psilocybe Sorry, just saw this! Our phone line was down (stupid phone over broadband technology) but we answer all emails within a few days. If you haven’t received a reply then it’s almost certainly been blocked/hidden by your spam filter. That happens far too often but I can’t think of a way around it! A

  • @Colin_Wait
    @Colin_Wait4 жыл бұрын

    Which drivers have these got for the demo? Both the same as it doesn’t sound like it?

  • @BarrySPeas

    @BarrySPeas

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep, but it's recorded in the room, as a close mic recording obviously wouldn't sound much different!

  • @BarrySPeas

    @BarrySPeas

    4 жыл бұрын

    And it says they're V30s

  • @GeauxSaints121

    @GeauxSaints121

    3 жыл бұрын

    The dreaded V 30s.

  • @Drum_Beats_Guitar_Riffs
    @Drum_Beats_Guitar_Riffs4 жыл бұрын

    Yes then Led Zep

  • @Bognerman14
    @Bognerman14 Жыл бұрын

    Diagonal is the way to go... Or a 412!

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    Жыл бұрын

    Do you play your gigs only on ships that are about to capsize? ;-) 412 cabs certainly look good under big guitar heads but, aaarghhhh, the dispersion problems!!!

  • @Bognerman14

    @Bognerman14

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio I love 412 cabs. Love how they sound. Love the Stage Craft diagonal 212 with semi open back. Bogner and Stone Age horizonal 212 wirh semi open back also great. None sound as full and smooth and thick as a 412 however. Sucks they are heavy.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Bognerman14 have a listen to our latest 2x12" videos, see what you think of the tones.

  • @TimpBizkit
    @TimpBizkit Жыл бұрын

    I wonder if that amp head company named themselves so it looks like they have a swear word written on their amps.

  • @mattfleming2287
    @mattfleming22873 жыл бұрын

    Ok, I’ve been thinking about your cabs a lot. Please feel free to ignore my comments-I’ve never designed a new kind of guitar cab. These cabs are unique in design and sound amazing. There’s no question you have the product. Lighter, louder, clearer and sound as good or better than any 4x12 out there. They should appeal to 90% of the metal players out there. The only issue with your branding is how adorable your name is. It’s really cute. It makes me think of teddy bears and children. You have nothing to prove, I understand. You would like sales to increase, though? I think musicians are shallow enough to not purchase your amp because of the name. I bet you’ve done something similar. Just a thought-now about BFA cabs? Sounds pretty badass. Plus people will make up acronyms-BIg Fu@#ing Amp, etc. you’ve made the cabs as well as you can and they deliver in spades, so I can’t see negative press about it. You could make a new badge with a harder look. Your cabs have a switch that delivers enough low end to raze a village, for Pete’s sake. Not saying make it all metal, but appeal to that side a bit. Come on, who doesn’t love badass initials? Lastly, you should be showing off the options for the cabs in all your videos. Let’s see lime green and metal grill, brown and silver, etc, etc. Let’s see a stack of bass and guitar cabs showing off those glorious colors! Please have a video directly comparing dB levels vs comparable cabs using the same head, same settings etc. You sell a cab that goes head to head against a Marshall 4x12. It’s a no brainer. Less than 1/2 the weight? Sold. Wait, it actually sounds better? Sold! What? It’s louder as well? Where do I sign?!? If I had $$$ I’d invest in your company. You make a better guitar cab. Period.

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    We're intending to do head to head videos vs other cabs and also with various amps, using dB meters or other measurement devices - but first we need to get our AV space a lot more soundproof! Our original Barefaced badge is more industrial looking but we like the new one that we created for the guitar cabs. No-one's complained about the name before but each to their own - it has multiple meanings and implications which I felt suited the brand when I founded the company in 2008, and still make sense. Personally I feel that businesses whose name is a set of initials are much more forgettable - it always feels like the laziest way to come out with a company name. Thanks for the positive vibes!

  • @MegaTubescreamer

    @MegaTubescreamer

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio An easy brand name to remember and assosciate to this level of sudden impact on the industry, barefaced expresses it nicely ,,rock on !

  • @edthri
    @edthri2 жыл бұрын

    Am I hearing PJ Harvey?

  • @breakfastbuddy5
    @breakfastbuddy52 жыл бұрын

    it sound bad , is it the amp or the speaker or the guitar ?

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is it your computer or your headphones or your speakers?

  • @breakfastbuddy5

    @breakfastbuddy5

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio and is the box divided ? is it 2 chambers ? or is it one box with no mid wall ,/(the horisontal cab ) the music he plays should be more rock sound not jass , it sound like the lows and highs are loose , i am used a guitar sound that kicks , hard rock and metal , but is this cab just for dinner and elevator music ? and if you want to get a influence into the rock arena , you should get connected to OLA , kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYZpj5eaf5S2edY.html

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@breakfastbuddy5 we've got lots guitarists using our cabs for rock and metal, especially the Radical 212H. They're much better for that than normal cabs of a similar size because they sound bigger with more powerful lows.

  • @mojoemurphy
    @mojoemurphy Жыл бұрын

    More sound out of the back... Sounds like you're trying to murder drummers, lol

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    Жыл бұрын

    No, just making it so everyone in the band can hear each other properly - we’ve actually had people saying their drummer told them to bring their Barefaced cab even when backline is provided because that improved audibility helps them lock in on the drums!

  • @mojoemurphy

    @mojoemurphy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio I believe it, it's got to be better then hearing the thin, harsh sound of an open back combo

  • @gregpuckey9604
    @gregpuckey96042 жыл бұрын

    TOO EXPENSIVE FOR PRODUCT!!!

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Less expensive alternatives are available. These cost more to make and most customers think they’re well worth the cost (and no-one here is getting rich making them!)

  • @gregpuckey9604

    @gregpuckey9604

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio Guess I'll stick with my 2 HB 1x12" Vintage speaker cabs with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers for now. Your speaker cabs do sound good, I'll wait for a possible price reduction or save my money for a while until I can afford yours. I'm sorry for being rude, the price just shocked me and I gave a knee jerk remark. Keep up the innovative work. JAM ON!!!

  • @Oldmonstonian1

    @Oldmonstonian1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@BarefacedAudio I have a Reformer 112 with Celestion Cream 90 watt speaker. Compared to alternatives, they are great value, they have the superior room filling sound and are super light. I'm done with carrying heavy 2x12" cabs around and I need portability but with compromising on sound quality. Just sold my heavy 50 watt valve amp and now considering either the Victory V4 The Duchess Amp or Blackstar's St James 50 watt valve head. At last technology is delivering great sounding equipment without the bulk or weight.

  • @capitanvonchickenpants8492
    @capitanvonchickenpants84923 жыл бұрын

    Hope you have a patent cos them chxxks will steal it

  • @BarefacedAudio

    @BarefacedAudio

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's currently patent pending.

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