Im telling you psa will fuck up a corner of a key card to justify their pop control on vintage key cards and players. They are a scam amd all collectors should file a class action lawsuit and sue the shit out of PSA

Chipping on edges and paper loss from junk wax era is a extremely common. I learned the hard way that why to the naked eye a card may look centered and corners sharp but if you look under a 10-20x microscope you will see what they see when grading

If you notice the change in psa grading..now the price is based on value…I think they don’t want to give 10s. Too much value to grading cost ratio….

@generationhoops1307

5 ай бұрын

I definitely agree with you!

@gatorbite6354

Ай бұрын

i agree 100%.. thats why i dont get cards graded anymore.. kinda hurts their business in a way.

You sent in cards that clearly had corner and centering issues. I dont understand what you were expecting.

Lol sorry about the reveal. I'd warn everyone not to send thier junk wax to PSA. See too many reveals of ultra modern stuff off center, or scratches getting 10s. Junk wax? Has to be the most pristine card imaginable, even then it's probably a 9. They don't want to grade junk wax anymore, this is how they are telling everyone. It will never get graded fairly at PSA, don't bother.

@matteogottie6772

Жыл бұрын

PSA is and always been shady they dont have a good record they had a history of puting 10s on altered cards to sell them as mint 10s and they also pumped up psa 10s with shill biddig with golde auctions which then own. People fall for the b.s

@wallyd2d

10 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to see how TAG does with grading junk wax.

@NevaehsThriftyNiftyTreasures

5 ай бұрын

Who should I send my junk wax to? How much does it cost to get them graded? Thanks in advance

I don’t know why the grading companies grade based on a magnified view because we don’t look at the cards with magnified glasses!

And they don't tell you why they graded it not 10 when the card it perfect. But to keep thr pop count down is a scam and people should stand up and boycott them

I don't get PSA some times...makes me scared to send to them

PSA grading is a nightmare. Now that every Tom, Dick, and Harry have flooded them with any card, regardless of value, they decided to tighten up grading in order to keep the Pop Count under control. They’re way too expensive, and you get shit grades.

@generationhoops1307

3 ай бұрын

Totally agree! I’m going to give TAG a try soon, and probably crack some of these out. Thanks for watching!

Big Suns fan - Love the Dan Majerle card.

without seeing the backs, we can't really assess the grades...I would guess if you look over the cards really carefully, front and back, under really good lighting and high magnification, you will see dinged corners, whiting on the back edges, etc...backs are usually where issues are that people don't see when subbing their cards...getting 10s on cards from the 80s and 90s is not easy no matter which grading company you use

@frostyfeetcards

Жыл бұрын

💯

@10thinningcards

Жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. I believe the Luka 10 was the only card I heard you say this card is immaculate.

Easy question? As technology changes does grading also? Does psa use the exact same techniques as they started when grading? So if I submitted a card when psa first started grading to submitted the exact same card now? Would the grade be the same? Highly doubt it. That's the problem.

It's in there best interest to not Grade a 10 because that would put alot of money in your pocket and not to mention bragging rights

@generationhoops1307

18 күн бұрын

True words there! Although I’ve done much better since this video. Thanks for watching!

Are you cleaning your cards prior to submission and going over them with a magnifying glass?

I’ve done good with junk wax even hitting 10s but I prescreen my cards prior I use the shoebox app on iPhone

I just did my first submission with SGC, got mostly 10 9.5 and 9, no 8 and one 8.5, they also grade autos for free. But they won’t put the auto on the slab if its less than 10

@TylerDelCotto

2 ай бұрын

Side note, they are neck and neck with PSA on vintage resale price. Some less some more

If you put any card under a 20x microscope their will never be another psa 10. Impossible to make a perfect card with those standards.

I like this dudes vibe

@generationhoops1307

5 ай бұрын

Probably my favorite comment on here. Thanks man!

The 6s and 7s that I saw looked to have cards with dinged corners and edge issues. Otherwise, if they look great and still get a 6-7 it's usually a surface issue. Invest in a 10x loupe. I've broken hundreds of junk wax boxes to grade Hall of famers and I'm usually lucky to get more than three that are 10 worthy per box. Some boxes literally go from the pack to recycling

I noticed you’re not showing the back of the card on those 6s. Do you think that the back counts for nothing?

This is the reason why I stopped sending in my 90's basketball cards. You can tell this from my channel. Once they lower their prices to $10, then I would consider but at this current rate is not worth to get grades lower then a 9 with this particular era. Remember eye appeal is not the only thing but of these guess are using magnifiers and taking the account the back plays a factor. Surfaces need to be inspected and some what cleaned. That goes for any card.

You can send them back and tell them there is nothing wrong and regrade them. But you Curry was off center I could see.

Lots of awesome slabs. New subscriber. You need to look at the card under a magnifying glass.

@frostyfeetcards

Жыл бұрын

💯

People need to begin boycotting PSA money talks!

Not until the PSA buyers and sellers start buying other grading companies cards at the value of the fake PSA prices. Nothing will change. PSA has monopolized this business and collection thinking 💭. They have the main advantage over other companies. Great video. The People can change this culture.

Definitely keeping pop count they keep da prime players with 8s & 9s Brin, mj,brady,montana,rice,kobe bird,magic,jeter,trout

Do you check your cards under a microscope before submitting? Lots of cards can appear as 9-10 to the naked eye but when under 10x scope it becomes very clear why PSA grades them lower.

@generationhoops1307

7 ай бұрын

I do, and I’m even more meticulous now. I plan on cracking a few of those cards from the video and sending them to sgc or Beckett. Thanks for watching!

@user-wn2iy2bt4m

7 ай бұрын

@@generationhoops1307 gotcha. That’s a bummer then. Also I’ve started prepping and cleaning my cards more. If you don’t already, highly suggest following Kurt’s Card Care

@generationhoops1307

7 ай бұрын

@@user-wn2iy2bt4m I will check them out 👍🏼👍🏼.

Before sending old wax in they must be cleaned and searched for surface scratches, they are using new machines and lighting so they detect more surface problems than 5 years ago, much tougher to grade with todays standards.

Your better off selling raw if PSA is grading that tough.

@generationhoops1307

7 күн бұрын

You are probably right! Thanks for watching 👍🏼👍🏼

The one thing that PSA doesn't do is contact you about a card that is being returned/ or to change the grading preference. Hope your listening PSA - this wastes time in returning a card and then resubmitting it to grade. CGC is a good grading CO to deal with.

I've noticed that often "the buddy" does not do so well. 😂 You need to take pre-grading pretty seriously to get good grades. If you've just got a few to let your buddy send in, well, you might want to just hang onto those.

As somebody who sent in hundreds upon hundreds of older cards prior to the pandemic and as somebody who interviewed to be a card grader at PSA and worked in their dungeon for 3 Days grading cards, I would say that you discount corner wear WAY too much. You had a couple cards that that got 6'S that I agree one 6 that I called out as a 5 so you got a generous grade on that. You also need to look for print imperfections like dots or snow. If there's one tiny print dot on the front or the back you will not get a 10. You should zoom in on the corners more closely. Cards with borders that aren't White also grade lower because you can see chipping on the edges more readily. Add a tiny touch of wear on the corner of a non-white bordered card shows up and stands out.

The 1989 Hoops Jordan has a yellowish border but the graders are grading them as a yellowish border stain , it’s pissing me off s well .

not a fan of grading like psa who manipulate the market to much b.s. and bad behind door business i do here good stuff about sgc tho.also use a magnify glass make sure the corners look sharp and the surface is clean center and the edges look clean for a better grade

Some You thought were 10s because of being off-center it was a 9.. Not Bad..

In my opinion PSA can no longer be trusted. They don’t grade on the card alone, which is unacceptable. When you can’t make any sense of the grading, it’s a problem. I’ve switched grading back to BSG, and couldn’t be happier. When I send a card that I would grade an 8, it comes back as an 8. When I send a card that I think is a gem, it comes back a 10, or maybe a 9. No surprises

@generationhoops1307

7 ай бұрын

I’ve thought about giving BGS a try. I’m definitely cracking a few slabs at some point and I think that is where I will be sending them. I appreciate you turning in!

If psa is telling us not to send in junk wax for grading becuae they dont want to grade by grading thwm low. Then we should twll them we wont do business with them by sending them elsewhere.

@generationhoops1307

5 ай бұрын

I’m with you there, I’m most likely going to send some of my junk wax stuff to tag to see if the results are different. Thanks for watching!

Tough times out in these card streets

@generationhoops1307

Жыл бұрын

You aren’t kidding there!

I'd say PSA grades pre-2000 more harshly than they do ultra modern stuff, particularly centering. When you're getting back 6s, there's a surface issue. On that 1989 Hoops All-Star Jordan, I thought I saw a horizontal fingernail mark on the front left, but it's hard to say because you didn't show the card on camera long enough to evaluate it. The two 1991 Hoops Jordans were off center left to right (fat on the left) and there is a fisheye (small circular print defect) in the bottom right of the red, white, blue banner at the top of the card where it says Jordan's name and 1992 USA Basketball Team. The 1990 Hoops Jordan is off center top to bottom by a lot. Also, there's a red fisheye near his head. The two 1990 Skybox Jordans were off center. The first one you showed (an 8) also had a white corner (top left). Junk wax is my favorite stuff to open and grade.

@barry4159

Жыл бұрын

And they should not...a cards a card....a grades a grade!

Its very frustrating bro, my opinion PSA has gone down hill on grading. Its pretty much get the card graded quickly and move on. Tell me what are the odds of me sending in 41 cards and everyone received a PSA 9. I'm not fabricating at all, not one 10 or 8 in my whole order.

The people grading these cards collect them and if they give a 10 grade there card is worth less. You can have the exact same card with a nobody on it and it will get a 10. They are a no good p.o.s.!

@generationhoops1307

5 ай бұрын

I definitely understand why you feel that way. I’m kinda hoping that TAG gets more popular and puts the pressure on PSA so they are forced to be better. Thanks for watching!

By the way, 9 is still Mint.

if u dont wipe the surface or look w a jewelry loop you will never see what they see

Did the cards grade out high enough to pay for the cost of authentication? What was the graded value compared to the expected or desired value?

@generationhoops1307

6 ай бұрын

It’s been a while but I think I made money on the ones I planned on selling. There were a good amount of PC Cards in this order. I’m even more meticulous now. I also kept a few to crack and send to other grading companies. Thanks for watching!!

Totally agree with Frosty Feet Cards comment below. Grading standards apply to both front and back of cards. Can't comment on these grades without seeing the back of the card and looking at the card with a magnify lens. Corners, edges (chipping), centering, surface (scratches, print lines, print errors), card focus (is it out of register), vivid color (damage by UV), all play into a cards grade. Hard to see problems with cards that have white borders unless you use an eye piece or magnify lens to examine the corners and edges. Most problems with cards are not viewable with the naked eye. PSA grades your cards looking at the card under magnification and that is what you need to do to understand the grade assigned to your cards. People need to stop whining and complaining about the grades assigned to your reveals and start looking at the grades (under magnification) from the same perspective as the card graders. That unfortunately is where most of the disconnect is in this hobby. Once you learn to look for the same things the card graders look for under magnification you can filter your submissions and start to get much better results on your reveals. I am speaking in general and there are always exceptions that can be addressed or discussed with PSA if you feel your card was mis-graded. For the most part PSA does a good job at assessing and assigning grades. That is why cards in a PSA holder in general sell at a premium.

How much do they charge to grade cards

@generationhoops1307

5 ай бұрын

I can’t remember the exact price per card at the time I sent these, but it was somewhere between $15-$18 a card. Thanks for watching!

@NevaehsThriftyNiftyTreasures

5 ай бұрын

@@generationhoops1307 thank you 🙏🙏🙏

ID SEND TO ISA I DONT DO PSA ANYMORE .. ISA has 8 day turn around cheaper grading is fair and honest no bias unlike psa

@mcee1993

Жыл бұрын

Also ISA value has been going up I’ve sold a lamelo downtown at a card show and got 90% of psa value slabs are better too

You have to know sets and how they grade. Also sending junk wax cards they need to perfect to even consider sending them. Sending cards off centered and with known flaws is a good way to lose money. Many PSA 9’s are less than raw card prices. Yet people get stubborn and emotional and want to send their cards instead of buying one in a higher grade for less than the grading fee of the bad card your sending in.

The hard part with junk wax is the basic matte finish on the front. You need to hold that card at every angle possible looking for minor surface scratches, I'm talking tiny. They'll find them so do your homework before submitting junk wax of any kind.

@generationhoops1307

8 ай бұрын

For sure! Thanks for watching and for the advice.

What did you pay? Did you pay 10 greaded peice?

@generationhoops1307

7 күн бұрын

This what a while ago but it was $15 or under per card.

Get yourself a magnifying glass And inspect your corners and edges

Are you checking with a magnifying glass, the corners, front and back? And back surface and centering ? Edges . I keep hearing you talk about centering and it’s a lot more than that and you can save yourself some cash buy really Looking over the card correctly and wiping down any fingerprints or smudging . Good luck on your next sub . I had a hard time my first 2 submissions now I only get 10s and 9s because I know what to look for . The sharpest corner with the naked eye could really look messed up under a good magnifying glass. I use the magnify glass that PSA USES AND THAT HAS BEEN A GAME CHANGER . And not touching the cards with your bare hands and if you do you need to wipe them down and there is lots of videos that can teach you things but I believe you need to watch as many videos as possible because not everybody has all the answers and I believe after doing this for two years now I’m a pro at knowing if it will hit a 10 . But not going to lie PSA SOMETIMES DOES POP Control because I have cracked 9s and sent them back in and got 10s . Like I’ll crack 4 9s of the same card and 2 will come back as a 10 and 2 will come back as 9s crazy .I know this is 9 months old and wondering if you have figured it out already?

@generationhoops1307

5 ай бұрын

I have gotten better with my submissions. I will say that I will probably at some point crack some slabs from this submission and send them to TAG to see what happens. Thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment for sure!

I have sent thousands of cards to psa. Have never gotten a 10 and 9s are rare. They usually end up 7 and 8s

@Teabagonyou

Жыл бұрын

Then you don’t know what your doing honestly. I have over an 65% gem rate. That’s including some stuff I know won’t gem in my orders.

@ProfessorWillow

8 ай бұрын

Thousands and no 10? I stopped giving them money or re evaluate what youre doing wrong

@seabeejg

2 ай бұрын

Dang....just send me money for my businesses and I'll get you 2x-10x every time. Or do it with your own businesses. Money goes further when betting on yourself or others that have a simple, yet successful product or service.

Dude. You're moving a bit too fast on some of these cards. Clearly, there are micro-creases and/or defects in the cards (eg, bubbling, print errors, nicks, burred edges, etc) that cause a 10-9 to go to an 8-7. And for the 6's, you should spend more time, because those defects should be easy to see. Again, unfortunately you don't take any time to inspect the card. Best of luck.

I would not send anything pre-2010 to PSA right now. They are not grading vintage cards the way they should be from what I've seen over a multitude of reveal videos and personal experience. They had a hiring frenzy due to the influx of cards from the Pandemic and it's a bunch of kids that don't know 80's-90's cards. A lot of horror stories coming out about grades from this era. I got a 7 on a 96 Fleer Kobe that has zero issuess (I was hoping for a 10, but expecting a 9 due to a one nearly microscopic edge chip.

@generationhoops1307

Жыл бұрын

Do you send all your pre 2010 to BGS or SGC?

@joshosmer2828

Жыл бұрын

@@generationhoops1307 SGC.

@dickallentracy3055

Жыл бұрын

@@joshosmer2828 I also send to SGC. BGS has kind of ticked me off with some slab quality issues lately, though personally I like the subgrades so you know what the 'issue' was with the card. SGC is consistent and I respect their grading on vintage cards.

@dominicdavino252

11 ай бұрын

Crazy I sent in 15 cards to PSA 13 1975 Bert Blyleven and 2 1971 Bert Blyleven all came back as 6. Even with the naked eye you knew that coming back all graded a 6 is crazy. Absolutely ridiculous.

PSA doesn’t hate junk wax, your cards were graded on a day the dart landed on 7 or 8 was all. Submit again and hope it lands on 9 or 10 that day.

Your looking at a 30 year old card what u expect. Wax cards are gonna be billionaires psa 10 are priceless

You had a stricter grader this time around

@generationhoops1307

8 ай бұрын

Yeah and I’m also pretty sure one card got damaged along the way. I found a small crease on one of the low graded cards that I know wasn’t there when I sent it. Thanks for watching!

The MJ 89' all star looked good to me.

@generationhoops1307

Жыл бұрын

I’m thinking of cracking that one open and resending it.

SHOULD TITLE THE VIDEO " WHEN NEWBIES SEND CARDS TO PSA GRADING "

@generationhoops1307

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I was definitely more green back then, I’ve learned a lot since this video for sure.

From my experience with PSA I think pop control is an urban legend. With all due respect those cards are much more condition sensitive is why the grading seems harsh. There's no gloss and surface imperfections are common in the older fleer. Kobe's specifically the Fleer and Fleer Ultra are incredibly difficult to find raw that will be in 10s because of the black backgrounds. Also check the backs of the cards as they tell an entirely different story to the whole card. My opinion is too carefully examine your 6's, 7's and 8's to start understanding the flaw threshold of each grade. It'll get better each time you do. I wish you the best and I know it can be frustrating but keep studying. Cheers!

@frostyfeetcards

6 ай бұрын

@jeffh4644 And you can keep feeling that way. Conspiracy theories on low end sports cards is right up there with UFO's imo. But to each their own. My channel showcases flaws in cards for folks to try and get a clearer understanding on why their cards might have graded the way they have. then again, it's just my opinion. It doesn't make it fact.

Those Olympic Jordan’s look slightly off center left to right. I won’t be grading my junk wax nba with psa. Absolute waste. I’ll just buy the 8s and 9s already graded.

My friend I'm just telling you from become someone who told me they just hired a whole new crew people after training they set them out on the floor 2 grade cards and unfortunately this is the results I have no idea why they would do that and not give them a trial run as an experiment have someone look over their shoulder to see how they're grading them I guess they're not doing that I saw a lot of parts and I looked at yours could have got nines on most but sixes and sevens horrible grading I feel bad for you

@generationhoops1307

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! I’m thinking of cracking and sending a few to BGS since I haven’t tried them before. Let’s hope PSA picks it up soon. Appreciate you watching the video!

i really dont like that whole psa controlling the pop reports thing. its unforgivable for me. people are paying you to grade cards keep it simple stupid because they arent getting a red cent of my money

Disappointing to see since this is most of what I have.

I can see the slightly off centered cards that you are calling centered. I'm generally a mid-60's to 1991 collector. 80% of the junk wax era cards you revealed, I would not have even sent it. Get stricter on your centering (50/50) for what you will submit and don't forget north/south centering counts too. perhaps pick up a cheap plastic card centering tool that you lay on top to measure.

@_.Jon._

10 ай бұрын

They allow 55/45 to 60/40 on the front and 75/25 on the back for 10s. Read their grading standards.

PSA is a silly game.

Why sent in cards that are that off center? Really a waste of money if doing it for investment purposes. Also it takes alot more than centering to get a 10. I go over my cards countless times with a printers loope and pull 10s on a consistant basis reguardless of who the player is.

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