I know they're joking, but hearing everyone say kill Tomer as soon as he plays the Arbor Elf kills me. 😂

@RyanEglitis

Жыл бұрын

Why did he block with it? He can just tap it at any time...

@rafaelfogliato298

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanEglitis Summoning sickness

@RyanEglitis

Жыл бұрын

@@rafaelfogliato298 Ahh, missed that

Tomer just really enjoys saying clash on and I am very happy, that he has a support network that gives him plenty opportunity.

The general terror over a "pay four mana draw a card" mistmeadow witch engine is hilarious

Tomer: Plays basically nothing Crim: "He's popping off! Seth, get him!

"You merely adopted budget decks. I was born in them" Tomer before this clash.

@whaleofdarkness

Жыл бұрын

They should invite Mitch from the Commanders Quarters for a budget game. He did decks with a 1 Dollar budget.

@Jarvis_Moonbeam

Жыл бұрын

@@whaleofdarkness no because Mitch is a gigantic douche that should not be allowed a wider platform in the community.

Man, it feels like this is going to be a rough season for Tomer.😕

@WendigoNet

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, expecting him to take some days off after all the early exits unfortunately

@Spirited_skiing

Жыл бұрын

1:00:00 Tomer with 1 card in hand and 6 power: “he’s gotta die”

@Cloudy573

Жыл бұрын

It's OK, this way he always gets to clash on.

@michaellester8939

Жыл бұрын

Last season was the first time he didn't get focused on, and he won like 66% of the games. I'm not saying it's fair or fun, but I am saying I get why he draws focus. He builds very competitive decks that can pop off from many positions, even when it seems like he's behind.

@colecarmichael5724

Жыл бұрын

@@michaellester8939 he is a combo player for sure but man nobody else gets dog piled like him when someone else is clearly the threat

I feel like $50-75 budget is a really nice medium, you get a few 2-5 cards or one higher budget card, but there aren't rhystic studies and mana drains every game.

@brandandixon3943

Жыл бұрын

mana drain is too good. let it slide

@johnathanrhoades7751

6 ай бұрын

I like a $100 budget cause then I can have “decent” lands and $75 left for the rest of the deck

A 50$ budget is in my opinion best for these kind of episodes as I feel like 25$ excludes some strategies, because they require some cards which are just to expensive for a 25$ budget. I wouldnt go much higher though you get a functional deck for 50$ and everything more gives room to very much non-budget cards.

@necroinsanity2639

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say this. $50 is a good overall budget investment (especially on mtgo), I wouldn't mind a $75 budget though to show off more budget cards.

@pedroms720

Жыл бұрын

yeah but they wanted to make a 25$ lols

@loorky2126

Жыл бұрын

@@pedroms720 I replied to the question they asked at the end of the episode (what budget they should do in the future and which would be most appropriate in our opinion for budget-episodes)

@Jwhiz24

Жыл бұрын

I agree, $50 dollars is about what you pay for a precon these days. Someone who knows how to brew can make a much more synergistic deck than what wotc gives you out of the box for the same budget.

@pedroms720

Жыл бұрын

@@loorky2126 sorry i guess i was having a bad day

Tomer: This is going to be such a long game, everything is going to die perpetually isn't it? Me: Looks at video time "yep that checks out"

@BadCookies1234

Жыл бұрын

Dude! Tomer was the Nostradomus of this game! Everything Tomer called out came true.

I loved this hyper budget episode. The cheaper it is, the more interested I am. I’ve found that the $100 builds still feel like any other edh game. I could actually feel the budgets impact the game here. Awesome episode!

This season is going to raise the “commanders cast per game” stat to the moon 😂

I love how seth said he was gonna proliferate everyone and then only proliferated tomer, TWICE

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again every time y’all talk about mana bases: Every commander deck with two or less colors (and three color decks with green) can be built with no issues using only basic lands!!

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

I think that's only partly true. If you build a two color deck with a manabase that's something like 19 Islands and 19 Plains you'll have both colors in your opening hand something like 75% of the time. I think if you are playing casually and your playgroup lets you mulligan until you get a playable hand it's fine and it does help keep the budget done, but I would say playing only basics probably causes less issues than people think, but it still causes issues some percentage of the time.

@lorpuz4664

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish that is true but seth constantly makes the point that its "fetchable non basics" or he like dies inside or something. you can play commander without fetching every single game imo and not everyone can afford fetches and fetchable non basics...

@marshall4439

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish I agree, but I also think that etb tapped lands are much more playable than most content creators let on. They are not great in 2-player, but I have found time and again that the mostly etb-tapped duals given in precons are fine for getting mana fixed, and having it enter tapped once is not as bad as having the wrong colors

@Dom9606

Жыл бұрын

I've seen multiple content creators talk about how they play pretty much no basics in their 2 colour decks and it's convinced me back to basics and blood moon should be staples to punish greedy mana bases

@AMageOldAsDirt

Жыл бұрын

@@marshall4439 Unless your enters tapped lands comes with a big upside like Path of Ancestry, absolutely not. In any deck but a dedicated gates deck, you will ALWAYS be happier to have a basic

Tomer makes 2 1/1s and they are convinced he is an avengers level threat

I like the $25 budget. It really pushes you to build decks and strategies with cards you'd never see most of the time. I'd definitely would watch more budget deck clashes!

Perhaps an idea for a budget episode would be to have everyone start with each of the commander precons from a particular set then have a fixed budget to upgrade it. That way there's a set theme as well as less budget needing to be spent on stuff like lands, mana rocks, ect.

Love to see the budget decks. Really a chance to give the floor to some less common cards to be seen!

@matustrophic

Жыл бұрын

idk I think I saw a lot of commons 🥁

I really like $45, which seems odd, but it lines up with the Precon prices, so you can also say "instead of a precon, click the link and grab one of OUR decks!"

NICE got the patented Seth Bugle! Let's go!

I love seeing Richard on Ephara! One of my favorite commanders of all time!

@jackl8025

Жыл бұрын

One of my friends had that built shortly after it had come out (probably 2014). It was strong then and it only has gotten more tools since then

@daredewley9231

Жыл бұрын

@jackl8025 it definitely has gotten some fantastic tools! It is one of my longest standing and most tinkered with decks. It kind of gets outclassed on raw draw power by Chulane, but if you go harder on the control, it evens out!

@anonymoususer5351

Жыл бұрын

Ephara is sweet, there are so many self contained engines now (Faerie Artisans, Saltskitter, the new LotR Watcher from the Deep) that you don't need to commit many slots to flash creatures like Whitemane Lion that only exist to bounce each other and draw cards

@SamuelKacerik

Жыл бұрын

How do you even win with that commander?

@anonymoususer5351

Жыл бұрын

@@SamuelKacerik I usually win either through Approach of the Second Sun or forced conceding by looping Cyclonic Rift

I really appreciated this price point! Makes you search for more creative choices, which leads to fewer staples, which are universally applicable.

Not gonna lie, the first time i encountered Burglar Rat was a Seth video, and for an embarrassing amount of time I actually did think the card was called Bugler Rat😂

To answer Seth's question, I like this budget for decks. It really gets the wheels spinning for brewing. I would like to see a $50 budget week because that is close to precon prices. Would be great to see 99 commons with an uncommon commander.

Superduper Cheap was realy fun! Please more of it!

I think that the $50 to $75 is a good one for budget decks. Another suggestion for a future episode, maybe, would be something like a Magic Arena Wildcard's deckbuilding, where each one have a number of common, uncommon, rare and mythic cards that can be in the deck. Not exactly a "budget", but still a limited amount of resources that can be spend on the deck.

@RasmusVJS

Жыл бұрын

That would be an interesting alternative to the traditional budget deck restriction.

I really like the super budget weeks! It's fun to see what kinds of strategies people come up with (variety is good tho) Favorite fluid is water

35:06 poor tomer seems like he’s going to mcfreakin lose it here. Having a difficult time watching him become a spectator so quickly

Reminds me of the commander deck I built for 1 tix. Problem is pretty similar to what you guys had - no good counterspells, finishers, or board wipes, and all the best cards at that price range make for super grindy value games.

Fun watch as always! I had an idea for a art theme week where you all make decks with art containing one of true bending elements from Avatar!

I am loving these long games! Despite starting them on Friday, they've kept me entertained for the whole weekend after they're released. Thanks for the content. EDIT: My top tier fluid is a martini.

I love the budget episodes. I love to see the creative problem solving of hyper budget episodes, as well as the restraint and tactical dollars spent on more mid budget episodes. I'd love to see an escalation series, where you all play games with the same commander with escalating budgets, although there may be production constraints surrounding that. Bring back the 1 tix challenge! Or maybe 2, if you're feeling nice.

I think $25-$50 is the sweet spot for budget 'mander. Less than $25, and you haven't got options. More than $50, and you start running a lot of familiar cards. Lately, I'm interested in $25 decks, so that I've always got something on hand to gift to a new player. It's a really interesting challenge, and I really enjoyed this episode, seeing all the different approaches.

I usually like budget decks in the 50-100 range. Means decks don't just become piles of staples, but doesn't restrict decks from having powerful synergies and quality of life cards like decent card draw, removal, and board wipes

I loved this. I watched tell the end!

It would be cool if revenge week this season was these four decks with no budget

@adrunkchicken5112

10 ай бұрын

I'm super here for this idea

I feel $100 budget decks is the way to go so you can make a flavorful deck. Even the Budget articles made on the website have $30 upgrades on a $50-$60 pre-con deck. It frees up room to make something interesting.

Spoiler: These super long games where tomer gets knocked out first aren’t really my favorite, tbh.

My favorite fluid is water. I think that it's pretty cool to see the commander shenanigans that you can get into while still keeping the budget at $25. Another idea would be pauper commander: every card in the 99 must be a common or have been printed as a common at one point.

Crim's favorite hobby, "DONT LOOK AT ME IM NOT A THREAT" when he is in fact a threat ---> Crim when he sees tomer play a single card "TOMER WHY DO YOU ACT LIKE YOURE NOT A THREAT YOURE A HUGE THREAT"

@atk9989

Жыл бұрын

Yea it's getting real old, best seasons are when they aren't on the cast together, and it's funny that Crim doesn't auto gun for anyone else even half as much as he does Tomer unless it's Phil playing a combo deck.

Love budget brews. Keep it going.

Love the budget episode, I think 50 dollars is probably the best price point for these episodes

Funny story about the resurrection idea. Years ago, I played a large commander game with around 10 or 12 people. A couple of them died around an hour or 2 into the game. They left the shop shortly after. A few turns later, someone popped a Karn ultimate to restart the game. We tried to call the ones that left and get them to come back...

As for Seth's comment on how much cheaper you can build a functional deck... Maybe you can build a $10 "fair" mono-blue Inalla wizards deck with venser loops, cyclone summoner loops, archeomancer 1-4 loops and Naru Meha combos... Definetly cheapest way to lose friends.

1:26:20 so Seth is the Kronk to Crim's Izma

I was really excited & interested to see the episode because of the tight 25$ budget but to answer the question at the end if it is recurring budget week I think 80 or 100$ is great Might help make the game a bit shorter 😆

I think more than 50 $ budjet look to much like normal decks. Anything under that is really fun to watch. I really like to see how you found powerfull things to do with that restriction

glad you all learned something about bugles today

Man scry tribal with bonus ramp seems like a great mix

Loving the new intro!

I’m not even a huge fan of tomer but even I can tell you guys straight bully this guy 😭 I understand why knowing you guys for so long if you let him live long enough he combos and I do the same to those people in my group but damnnnnnn ease up guys

@papaUrabrask

Жыл бұрын

Nah this is next level flat out bullying. No threat assessment.

@colecarmichael5724

Жыл бұрын

@@papaUrabrask I mean they are are all almost decade long friends I’m sure it’s not life threatening but it definitely makes it hard to watch. Like I cringe when the just dog pile him every freaking episode

@papaUrabrask

Жыл бұрын

@colecarmichael5724 yeah I mean that's a point, but it could also be Tomer not wanting to leave a project that he very much started just because one of his coworkers is an insufferable man-baby (crim) and the other a gullible dope (seth)

@colecarmichael5724

Жыл бұрын

@@papaUrabrask I don’t pretend to know their lives but I do have a weird godlike ability of perception and I can tell tomer legit hates being dog piled. Crim is just acting and being over the top and Seth is just going with the flow.

My personal favorite very low budget decks are mono black. Varragoth swamp combo or Korlash Voltron. You don't need any pump equipment, just utility and black has some under rate pump spells and enchantments that give like +3/-1 but since Korlash grows with your landbase and has instant speed regeneration he can be hard to deal with.

I would love to see an Arena-style limit based on a number of wildcards. Favourite fluid: coffee

I like the ultra budget because it showcases underplayed cards. Like Skullwinder.

Absolutely loved the budget - I know folks may attribute it to the length of the game but it is just refreshing to see the game can be played even at a price point

Im a big fan of the tears of the people I play commander with as my favorite fluid.

Gotta love decks that are at the price of most of my decks.

We have a hyper budget format in our playgroup, every card has to be under 50 cents, and I would say it sometimes feels too restricting and stops you from being able to play the few slightly more expensive cards that can be engines for the deck that make it sing. So I think that $50 for a deck is a good sweet spot, allows you to play slightly more powerful which can also maybe make the game not take as long haha

One of the very few opinions I don't agree with Seth on is that poison counters need to be set to 20 in commander instead of 10. It needs to be 10. There are exponentially many more ways to deal 120 normal damage, whereas there's only a select few amount of ways to deal poison. Having to deal 60 poison in an all-in creature aggro deck in a format of board wipes is incredibly dubious. Setting poison to 20 doesn't mean you die less to poison as an individual. It just means the poison player never gets to win, and everyone's strategy should have a decent enough chance to win in Commander.

To answer Richard's question the best budget finisher for white is Felidar Retreat especially in his deck where he can get his land drop every turn, with Sacred Mesa its a back breaking combo

I think the 25$ Limitation was great! You should do more budget episodes up to 50$

To answer Richard's question about budget finishers, both Inspiring Leader and Starlight Spectacular would have been great in that endgame situation, and those cards are 25 and 75 cents respectively. Gerrard's Battle Cry would have gotten it done too but that card is sus

2:41:59 Ideal Budget Episode Restrictions A few thoughts about the Ideal Budget 1. At least one budget episode per season gets to Highlight both newly released budget cards as well as any recent significant price changes 2. Changing the budget from episode to episode allows you to keep it fresh and keep exploring the tiers of budget 3. You can definitely get lots of Stats on budget - What I always notice is how much the budget changes due to the land base - for instance, the deck i Just submitted for S15 Viewer Submitted Week is around $1050 but when i include the OG Duals it goes over $3,000. So noting what kind of cards do yhis between 25, 50, 100, 200, 500 dollar decks would be really fun to document and share.

Coffee.. definitely Coffee. :) And i like the 25$ budget. You see much more cards you wouldnt play otherwise.

Richard is spot on “just use old commander cards that have power crept and reprinted in budget”…its funny but true. Also Seth, that rat deck is pretty good for $25. Gonna have to make it with some minor tweaks and upgrades since i have a good mono black deck but sick of sacrifice so toxic rats seem cool. Also agree the point of budget decks is meant to be more casual and power down most times; def tired of combo bs decks that win by turn 5 and called “casual”

$75 budget! I think that’s a good sweet spot! And fave fluid is milk tea + boba 👌 great game fellas! Super fun

I love the Mr. Krabs around the $25. Nicely edited.

@jackl8025

Жыл бұрын

Gotta be Phil's editing. He loves a Spongebob reference!

My favorite fluid is Vietnamese coffee. Highly recommended for long work sessions like the one your editor had to go though for this episode.

I like a 5 tix budget since it's what you can play for free with a rental program so makes a good entry point to MODO commander. This 25$ budget also felt pretty good.

$25 is a unique series, I would tune in for that

I was here watching the 5 minute outro, Seth. And as for budget, $50 or $80 to be in line with precon deck prices / value.

There is something like a white overrun in budget: Starlight Spectuclar from Unfinity

My favourite fluid is air and I think $35 is an excellent price point for budget episodes

hell fucking YES! budget commander is the most fun to me!

Please bring back last season’s intros. I loved the Smash Bros style intro

Phils on sinic budget would of owned the table. Window Jesus Army

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" it's a `Budget Deck (R)(TM)`! Will Seth's bugler's come and snatch away everyone's cards or will the Tomer finally become the true budget commander we all were told he was? Tune-in to find out!

I'm glad Richard was finally vindicated in an episode for his take on Skullwinder.

I would like to see these decks again but expensive versions

Bold question Tomer, very bold question....there is an energy drink by a young entrepreneur named Alpa Chino that is my absolute favorite.

Really hard to watch Tomer scrying Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Reclamation Sage and Zendikar's Roil away on "creature removal" week. Honestly this man does it to himself most of the time...

I think budget decks are a good way to show off cards we dont automatically know from seeing them often. That being said, 50 dollars might be a bit better though to open up room for other commanders / strategies.

Ultra - budget games like this are fun and interesting. :) Personally, I think about $100 is the sweet spot. No rifts, no crypts, but you can still afford powerful stuff.

Wouldn’t Immortal Servitude be the answer to cheap card in Black that gets back the rats? Or can you not play hybrid cards in mono color?

I would love to see a series where the crew takes the same deck from budget (25$ )to moderate budget ($100) to No holds barred. Maybe not 3 hour games for them, or with some kind of speed up editing. I don't know but i'd love to see a proper comparison between the tiers of the same deck

The hidden gem of this game has got to be Tomer on the topic of the bubonic plague with “I feel like it really wasn’t that bad”

T2 Chevell T3 Longbow checks video length.... looks about right 👍👍

i was today years old when i learned that the bugles snacks were shaped like the bugle horn

To me the ideal budget is $100,- It is what I usually aim at when building a new deck. You get acces to almost any card you want, except the overpowered EDH staples. I also feel it leads to more creative choices in cards but that the deck can still be strong.

OK. Skullwinder is going into every single one of my green decks now, thank you for showing me the truth.

tomer just never gets a break i swear

@beardlybear6528

Жыл бұрын

it may seem mean but its annoying at this rate

@frankomancer

Жыл бұрын

To be fair he's the one that keeps spending his entire turn playing his commander with no strategy to protect it beyond hoping the rest of the board ignores it... he always had plenty of other reasonable cards to play instead as well.

54:47 *"I **_KNOW_** I put a 5th land in here!"* ~Crim

favorite cards from the set.... STING,(the sword that untaps at combat and gives haste...LOVE IT IN KRENKO mobBOSS, also NEGAN ISAMAZING> but the bizness is just prude

Homer could write an epic on the friendship of Seth and bugler rats

I think you should do 50 dollar budgets. That’s enough to get a precon and get a few sweet inclusions, or like, get an expensive commander and a cheap deck. That’s what y’all should do: expensive commanders but 50ish dollar budgets so we could get to see lesser played cards for popular commanders. My favorite fluid lately is Milo’s Lemonade.

$25 budget was a hoot, Im personally happy to watch whatever budget level you go for. As far as content goes, perhaps $50 budget will help makes games go a little quicker?

2:42:44 Around $45 or $50 for budget, a la TCC’s Build-Your-Own-Precon, is about as much as I would spend per deck to supply a pod when I try and get back into paper one day.

Tomer dunking on Mitotic Manipulation when he used to advocate for Retraced Image is pretty silly.

I think the $25 budget is sick!

I personally really like the ~$100 budget range, gives that bit more flexibility and closing power

I really like the nehab profile view. *chefs kiss*