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@Bgarza05

9 ай бұрын

Dan Abrams, TY for founding such an awesome channel.

@AP12360

9 ай бұрын

Why do you keep bringing her on your show/videos? She is always smiling at inappropriate times & she brings no value to this case/video.

@nacho_ncam

9 ай бұрын

​@@AP12360I thought I was the only one irked by that creepy constant smile.

Good lord. I worked as a nanny for years. I always told the parents: whether you hire me or not, PUT IN NANNY CAMS. Period. You should have nanny cams and your nanny should be the biggest proponent of them. If you wouldn’t want it captured by hidden nanny cams, you shouldn’t be doing it. I’d you’d never do it in the first place, you’ll ASK for nanny cams.

@goodbher9244

9 ай бұрын

I'd want nanny cams to protect me, as someone who's not a creep, and wouldn't like to be accused if someone lost something, or if a kid fell or something (it does happen) I'd hate to be accused of something that wasn't my fault, or that I didn't do. Idk why anyone wouldn't want nanny cams. I'd require them to watch someone's kid. 😂

@videoettaceo8900

9 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@DonaldMcNuGGeT

9 ай бұрын

Wah wah get nanny cams get nanny cams, two days later your still dead

@BookishDark

9 ай бұрын

@@DonaldMcNuGGeT your comments make zero sense

@jukio02

9 ай бұрын

You need cameras everywhere, now. Society is crumbling.

100% the nanny and the husband gettin it on

@Ryder_OMEGA

9 ай бұрын

Having a nanny that young and that attractive, which man wouldn't 😅

@kallen868

9 ай бұрын

​@@Ryder_OMEGA🤢

@Lil_tro_Vert

9 ай бұрын

@@kallen868 sounds gross but he not lying just like women usually cheat with their trainer

@YvetteKeyser

9 ай бұрын

@@Ryder_OMEGAThe wife was far more attractive then the homely & cheap looking nanny.

I think the man who was shot was set up by the nanny and husband....hired or tricked into coming into the house and blamed for killing the wife. But I think the husband killed his wife...or paid the victim to kill her. All connected to nanny and husband being together.

@swedishmeatball4382

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, shades of Tracey Richter

@Belle-ms4ud

9 ай бұрын

🎯💯

@horsepanther

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. It would be the third case of this kind that I've heard of.

I believe the nanny and the husband we’re having an affair. That’s the only reason he would take the blame for it.. I believe the nanny and the husband hired the other man to stab the wife, and then they killed him to silence him. There’s no way that the husband was in such a shock. Let me take the blame that sounds ridiculous..

@whosaidwhat8704

9 ай бұрын

That's the first thing that went through my mind too.

@holdenjenn1349

9 ай бұрын

I believe you're correct!!

@terrymintle7230

9 ай бұрын

Yes!!

@cynthiacordell4639

9 ай бұрын

Just as it says in the Bible - there is nothing new under the sun.

@Xenumiscagive

9 ай бұрын

I,m visiting the nanny in jail

How many children are left behind without a mother? How sad.

@MissingOurMissingPod

9 ай бұрын

It seems like there is 1. There is a 4 year old girl. (This case doesn’t actually make any sense.)

My guess is someone was having affair and someone was about to spill the beans or pay the consequences.

Moral of the story is do not bring a strange woman into your home to care for your children because she may also take care of your husband.

@simplysuzan21

9 ай бұрын

Or don't marry the type of man to sleep with a stranger and let harm come your way.

@simplysuzan21

9 ай бұрын

Moral of the story, men should stop betraying their families

@rebekahmeegan8922

9 ай бұрын

Good advice!

@margaretcastellano3167

9 ай бұрын

@@simplysuzan21 the thing is I believe ANY man would be tempted. 😰

@margaretcastellano3167

9 ай бұрын

@@simplysuzan21 🎯💯👏

Nanny and hubby had an affair, AND it was coming to air, and so this other guy was the guy they were going to have set up. 🙄 🤷‍♀ Isn't that the way it usually goes!?

Why is the news anchor smiling as she shares this horrific news story???

@manda_musings8459

9 ай бұрын

She has some learning to do in her field of work

@sarahallenhumboldt2638

9 ай бұрын

You mean the guest. Last time she was invited on, she was smiling twice as much, and appeared twice as happy.

@jeremysmith9694

9 ай бұрын

Because the worse the crime, the more the views, the more the views the more the money.

@VeeAmericanEagle

9 ай бұрын

CIA guest lady always smiling. I can’t look at her when she talks. I just have to put my phone down and listen to the video

@lolocaboclo

6 ай бұрын

Because they must to be happy they blame the nanny (an immigrant) as always and case close! it gives them power and more views. Meanwhile the husband, an American has a little bit of "strange ' behavior don't you think?

My opinion is that the guy was having an affair with the nanny. 😤😤

It's also possible that Mr Ryan was brought into the house on a ruse and then tried to make it look like he did all of this and he was killed for it.

Slip of the tongue? We call that a LIE.

@prunabluepepper

9 ай бұрын

I think the definition is different with people who worked for Washington.

I'm confused.

@Ena48145

9 ай бұрын

Same lol

Could it be that Ryan was lured in initially as a scapegoat?

@martinaosullivan1622

9 ай бұрын

Yes I would belive that

This appears, based on what's revealed thus far, to be a case where the husband k!lled Ryan and Perez k!lled the wife. Look at the two who benefits from the absence of the two deceased victims.

Affair with nanny, life insurance.

@VeeAmericanEagle

9 ай бұрын

That’s what I said too!

The fact they haven't yet charged anyone for stabbing the wife is absurd. How hard is it to determine out of 2 people who did such a close up brutal crime?? Give me a break

@pale_saint

9 ай бұрын

It was probably the killed guy

@jannesasmith7950

9 ай бұрын

@@pale_saint they would have said that, I would think

@somnuswaltz5586

9 ай бұрын

​@jannesasmith7950 ok detective, I don't see you going over there and showing those rookie cops how to do their job. Cool your jets turbo, you're not a detective just cuz you probably spend all your time watching cheesy true crime channels on KZread 😂😂😂

@Lisa-xm4bw

9 ай бұрын

@@somnuswaltz5586, 😂

@craftcrumbs

9 ай бұрын

Can't charge a dead man

WTF??? Telling 911 you shot the intruder cannot be dismissed as "just a slip of his tongue while shocked". The guy even lawyered up and she wonders "why he doesnt help find the killer", which is something that "gives her pause" There must be important information left out for these investigators to conclude that, so the reporter should have asked about that.

As a woman…..you have to be smarter than to bring in a beautiful young woman to stay in your home and take care of your family smfh it literally NEVER ends well for the wife. Also, I will never understand not just asking for a divorce instead of sitting in prison for the rest of your life 🤦🏻‍♀️

@MNJK1010

9 ай бұрын

The second part of your comment though is always my first question is these situations.

@dustyliv

8 ай бұрын

@@HK-fu1btexactly pretty nanny does not equate to cheating

@lolocaboclo

6 ай бұрын

Schwarzenegger had a son with a Nanny inside his own home correct? Was she beautiful?

9:28 if my wife was killed, and it was unknown who killed her I would definitely lawyer up. And it’s not because I wanna hide but many people have been wrongly accused and convicted. Being a spouse, you are the number one suspect no matter what. So regardless of the impression police have, it’s more important to take your rights.

She looks like a joker villain with that smile

Every time this former CIA/FBI agent is on she is always smiling while talking about the most horrific things.This is truly a bizarre case where I feel like we weren’t given much information on.

@kathymoore2101

9 ай бұрын

I've never heard of good cia. Fbi isn't much better.

@AP12360

9 ай бұрын

I agree. She is always smiling at inappropriate times & she brings no value to this case/video. Also, look in her eyes, she looks creepy to me.

@farrahfeathers6668

9 ай бұрын

@@AP12360 I just went & took a look at her eyes,yes they are definitely creepy AF

@MissDarlaDeville

9 ай бұрын

I also noticed the newscaster smiling at weird times also

@astridvvv9662

9 ай бұрын

​@@MissDarlaDevilleit looks like her head (the anchor in red) was attached incorrectly

Mothers/wives out there: DON’T hire young, pretty nannies. 😟

@EBeverly-gv4ln

9 ай бұрын

Young, pretty nanny’s what?

@mishaa7263

9 ай бұрын

ok Margaret lol

@Suzie-he9ni

9 ай бұрын

She's not that pretty.

@simplysuzan21

9 ай бұрын

Lol. So ugly people don't kill?

@taylorfrink1182

9 ай бұрын

what??? better yet, how bout stop marrying pornsick coomer sorry excuses for men that are clearly not loyal and devoted to their family

I dont think that nany is pretty at all!!!

@Jojo.255

9 ай бұрын

u crazy. milk like a cow baby

@margaretcastellano3167

9 ай бұрын

Hmmm, a MAN will be tempted by a fiery Latina if he’s married to a boring non Latina. Pretty or not.

@pattonisgod26

9 ай бұрын

Right? I don't like to focus on shallow, irrelevant, and subjective things like looks, but his wife was 100 x more beautiful than that Nanny. What a tragedy, and what a vile POS, if he was indeed involved! 💔

@lolocaboclo

6 ай бұрын

It does not have to be pretty. Schwarzenegger had a son with a Nanny inside his own home correct?

Thank you for bringing this case to the forefront Sierra. I can't imagine. Where is their child?

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

Probably with the dad. Where else do you think it would be?

@Devilish__

9 ай бұрын

@@It-is-me...Melsieor sold

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

@@Devilish__ Stop being so dramatic. As is normal when one just parent dies, there is actually another parent to continue to do the parenting.

@Devilish__

9 ай бұрын

@@It-is-me...Melsie I'm being dramatic? I said two words... stop overthinking things.

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

@@Devilish__ Your two words made for quite the story. I'm not the one whose mind has gone left field thinking the most unlikely thing must have happened to the child.

Who accidentally calls the police and says “I shot someone”… this comes from a professional fbi agent 😂

@dmreddragon6

9 ай бұрын

Maybe they're going after the nanny to draw him out, since he said that, then lawyered up. Or are they trying to bargain with her to rat out the husband.

Ha clearly a setup 😅 They even setup the "Intruder" Guy fell in love the nanny.

This is why you don’t bring strangers in your home to watch your children or for any other reason. Geesh. This story is as old as time. The nanny was having an affair with the husband. The guy was set up to take the fall and something went wrong. If you can’t stay home with your child, and your parents or family can’t watch them, then find a well respected and researched daycare. Maybe then you’ll find out your husband is a POS some other way and get a divorce instead of lose your life. Terribly sad. In the end this child will have lost both parents.

Young nanny saw a beautiful home and wealthy husband and...well it's a tale as old as time.

Same old s**t, different case. Married bloke starts balling the nanny (pathetic cliche), wants to bump his wife off because hes a psychopath/for life insurance/child custody (take your pick). The only question here is whether they hired the dead bloke to do it and then killed him, or he was a total patsy.

@MrJuvefrank

9 ай бұрын

If they did, then the bloke was broke.

Always lawyer up, has no bearing on guilt or innocence. It's smart so your words don't get twisted or used against you.

Never bring strangers into your home to take care of things YOU should be doing.

@nardip4999

9 ай бұрын

Victim blaming, smh

@ayamystic

9 ай бұрын

@@nardip4999no one feels guilty just bc you’re shaking your head. Stop using words you don’t understand

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

@@ayamystic What???

@nardip4999

9 ай бұрын

@@ayamystic You're displaying narcissistic and fatherless behavior, lol. Seek help asap, smh.

Everything about this is just sad.

Wow. So twisted. Its heartbreaking looking at this beautiful picture of the 2 victims. Something is obviously amok.

This has to be one of the weirdest stories ever, as is always the case it seems when a CIA /FBI "guest" is in attendance lol.

@MissingOurMissingPod

9 ай бұрын

The husband is FBI… so…

This was more confusing than anything, and I feel lost. They didn't say how it went from him to her.

@wanyekest71

9 ай бұрын

The nanny played the husband and other dude. Two people killed. End of story

@Spring2cooo

9 ай бұрын

@@wanyekest71 i feel like the husband should be charged too

@MNJK1010

9 ай бұрын

I was confused too.. google the story and read about it independently.

Why do you have someone from the CIA commentating? Since when does the CIA ever investigate homicides? So many more homicide detectives with real world experience to provide insight.

@pale_saint

9 ай бұрын

Yes but CIA does commit murders

@patrickbrinkmeier1858

9 ай бұрын

Because this channel, Law and Crime likes to be sensational with some of their stories and they think having a former CIA agent, aka spy do commentary makes them seem much more legit. I could understand if you had a CIA agent on to talk about the body language of a suspect during an interrogation as CIA agents learn how to read body language but in this case it doesn't apply. They should have used any of the million former homicide detectives on here to speculate about what they think and it would have been more credible.

@crazychase98

9 ай бұрын

Some kind of fed clean up I'm sure

Absolutely disgusting and disappointing just how many people in these comments are victim blaming the poor murdered wife and mother for her own death. There are definitely some really cruel and nasty people watching this video, sadly.

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

There seems to be a high ratio of really mean people in the comments.

@snicole042

9 ай бұрын

All the normal people left KZread. Too much censorship. Now we’re left with the soulless and the ones that make endless excuses for killers.

@kikilo9647

9 ай бұрын

​@@snicole042So because of censorship only the soulles remained here? I don't think that makes sense

Excellent coverage.

I hate the term Au Pair! So annoying!!

@LosAngelesLaura

9 ай бұрын

Same!

If she shot the guy that was stabbing this woman then why is she being charged?

@TheRoboticDream

9 ай бұрын

Since this isnt a clear cut case. I'm thinking husband and nanny wanted it to look like that. Like maybe they hired guy to kill the wife and killed him to make it more believable... or they killed the wife first then brought him over under the pretense to hook up with nanny, then shot him and staged it?

Sierra, good coverage. Good guest.

Who stabbed her then? Was the husband sleeping with her?

Who would ever believe a former FBI/CIA agent?

@pale_saint

9 ай бұрын

A former KGB agent?

@Guiltless765

9 ай бұрын

They're never "former."

Thanks Tracy!

I hate when they ask why he layered up. Why wouldn't anybody lawyer up in any situation. The media is seriously the evil villain on our planet. They made it sound like getting a lawyer is an admission of guilt or something. Police will be your friend but the will also pretend. I hate seeing anyone who just wanted to do the right thing but instead get tricked into a prison sentence. Not all law enforcement is bad but its rare they will defend you in a court of law.

@marilyne4324

9 ай бұрын

lol it's so funny. You're watching law and crime About murderers murdering people. And yet. You come away with. The media is evil. lol right Sure Ok

23? She looks more like 29

i was friends with joe in real life - he and my husband played Dagorhir together, here in the DMV (aratari realm). all of us have been waiting to hear something, ANYTHING, about joe's murder. we never thought it would be the au pair arrested! joe sold weed for a long time, as his main source of income, and also met up with strange women from the internet for hookups. i always worried about him, especially after his dog molly was kidnapped and disappeared by one of these women.

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

Oh, that's so sad about his dog!

@momof3chis291

9 ай бұрын

😢

@nikkivenable73

9 ай бұрын

Wtf? The poor dog? 😢

@VeeAmericanEagle

9 ай бұрын

Sorry for your loss!

@aliamacintyre483

9 ай бұрын

He named his dog Molly lol

Heartbreaking! Fly high beautiful Angels.

This is sad I feel bad for the child sad

I really don’t like watching Tracy when she is on any of these new shows & usually turn it off quickly. This is just my little opinion, but she appears too arrogant, too cheerful when talking about the most despicable & very sad crimes. This isn’t a game, these are people’s lives. Where’s your sensitivity? She needs to grow up (coming from an almost 60 year old here, & imo)

@VeeAmericanEagle

9 ай бұрын

Yeah she’s annoying 😂😂

@MysteryMan404

8 ай бұрын

I hate her.

Most times when you try to outsource your duty as a mother or father, it never ends well. The husband is as guilty. They should all go to jail

@DeviIInADress

9 ай бұрын

🤦🏻‍♀️ oh please. Millions of families have nannies and/or help and it turns out just fine. Many parents have demanding jobs and hire help because they don’t want their kids raised by screens which is far too common these days.

@kyung6466

9 ай бұрын

@@DeviIInADress At least screens does not kill child's mother.

But but these kinds of things don't happen in the suburbs. Can't be

@jeremysmith9694

9 ай бұрын

It never happens in the town it happens in. Oh wait.

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

You do get surely that it's just a way of saying such things are a rarity. I could say the same about the town I live in, but that's not to say literally that such things never happen.

This ex-CIA agent seems clueless to me, I have seen her many times before on this show, always left confused by her interviews! Okay, she was FBI, she said this area used to be her jurisdiction, a suburbia where hardly anything ever happens!

yikes @ all the comments about "dont hire young pretty nannys if you have a hubby" like wtf?? how bout, if your hubby is the type to even have to worry for a second about his loyalty to his family drop that sorry excuse for a man and find a true family provider

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

I know... isn't that just sad. I think people who say such things hold men in a very low regard.

@godhg9694

9 ай бұрын

The people are correct, never bring another woman around your husband because men are weak especially when your wife is getting old.

@lilij1915

9 ай бұрын

Men are lusty. Duh

I would take this to trial because they just completely skipped over the husband???

I question the judgement of a woman that hires a young Brazilian “Nanny” to live in the home and take care of the children.

@keyboardmouse7699

9 ай бұрын

That would really test temptation

@dialac1

9 ай бұрын

It’s ignorance

@lornaginetteharrison7168

9 ай бұрын

What a nasty thing to say, blaming the victim for being murdered. What a hateful and judgmental person you are.

@dawnatkinson7704

9 ай бұрын

Maybe she loved and trusted her husband? Is that not how it's supposed to be?

@It-is-me...Melsie

9 ай бұрын

Why? What part is the problem to you? Her age? Her nationality? I don't get it. People do the same world over all of the time without incident.

No one slip a tongue to confess a murder they didnt do it.

These Parents: "Let's hire a out of this country, hot, young nanny, to live with us, and care for our children!" Most other people: "Um...let's just rely on family and maybe some local friends or accredited daycare, to care for our children!"

Never ever bring a stranger in your home

Is Joseph Ryan the intruder ? Why was he there??

@MysteryMan404

8 ай бұрын

Yes. No idea. But maybe it’s a set up

Wtf is this case!? This is nuts.

GTFO this was a murder for hire. And they killed the man hired so he can’t talk. And they would live happily together. We’ll see this when electronic footprints come out.

@godhg9694

9 ай бұрын

Exactly..the nanny and the husband were a couple, people said she even post pictures of them on her Instagram.

My take is the husband and the nanny were having an affair. The intruder is sleeping around with the nanny as well or knows the nanny. Husband is on it and everything was plan. The truth will come to light!!

I think the husband did shoot the intruder and the reason she the nanny is charged is because she's the only surviving person who conspired to commit a felony that resulted in him being shot

@paulmoss4378

9 ай бұрын

I bet I'm right they were burglarizing the house The Nanny and the guy that got killed probably the nanny was in the house and the investigators found evidence that they had conspired together and were able to charge her for his death

@gidgetmontague9985

9 ай бұрын

I think he was having an affair with the nanny. The husband and the nanny probably planned this to happen.

@PlannersByKat

9 ай бұрын

@@paulmoss4378 Thank you! This makes sense.

@margaretcastellano3167

9 ай бұрын

@@paulmoss4378 Good deduction!

@562LA2THEBAY

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@paulmoss4378i think you’re close. Because if dead guy is the one who stabbed the wife, while in the process of a burglary, then nanny would be charged with both murders. The wife and dead guy. Right?

I know the likelihood is that there is some affair(s) going on, but isn’t possible that this really was a random robbery/stabbing, the nanny shot and killed the perpetrator, and the dad said it was him in self-defense so the nanny wouldn’t be deported in trying to save his wife?

@horsepanther

8 ай бұрын

No, actually, it's really obvious that he was set up by the husband & nanny so they could tidy up their murder of the wife and live happily ever after together.

There is wayyyy more to this story… seems like a set up

@MrJuvefrank

9 ай бұрын

You are 100% correct. How would I know this? Because whenever people murder, the authorities set them up to get a conviction. The authorities will lose their jobs if people think they are fools who cannot get their suspects.

No Nannies that are not family people

@Fitkid7672

9 ай бұрын

U gotta watch out for “family” too. Haven’t u heard the stories?

@lolocaboclo

6 ай бұрын

Schwarzenegger had a son with a Nanny inside his own home correct? He was a family guy too

Ladies its time TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN KIDS! No one will ever care for your kids as much as you do. Don't let a job be the reason you lost your baby and/or your Man! Too many crazies of here.

The prosecutor will push her to tell on him. They planned the murder together.

Maybe Brendan and Joseph were having an affair and the wife walked in on it, Joseph stabbed the wife and then Brendan shot Joseph for killing his wife and Brendan is framing the nanny.

@englishteacher_samantha

9 ай бұрын

The nanny was in a relationship with the husband and sharing pictures with him (before and after) his wife was killed.

Wtf? Was the man who was shot the intruder? Why would she be charged for murdering an intruder

Affair.

@deepaklevin

9 ай бұрын

Im sure. SOme latino fever

Oh come on everyone saw this on Law and Order. Just get proof. The nanny lured the man in

Strange case for sure.

Imagine that. Theyre leaving out the fact that the husband had the au pair BRING THE DAUGHTER INSIDE AND HIDE IN THE BASEMENT PRIOR TO THE SHOOTING. THEN HE CALLED THE AU PAIR FROM THE BEDROOM AND TOLD HER THE CODE TO THE GUN SAFE AND TO BRING IT UPSTAIRS AND TOLD HER TO SHOOT THE FETISH GUY IN THE HEART AFTER HUBBY HAD ALREADY SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD.

WOW!!😢

When I ran across this video it said it was uploaded 23 minutes ago, same as the age of the suspect.

How do you charge someone in a mysterious death

@horsepanther

8 ай бұрын

Uh...there's no mystery. She was stabbed to death. Thus, a homicide, which someone should be charged with.

Why is she questioning this woman? Are t you the reporter? I’m so confused about this interview.

She has senpai eyes that nanny. Looks like she wanted the husband all to herself and lured her online friend over to take the fall.

R.I.P To Both People

Wtf?! People are evil!

They need to check if blood spatter is on him from allegedly stabbing the woman and all of their phones

Love triangle?

2 of my neighbors got spare nannies after having babies and both husbands left their wives and married the nannies.

@lolocaboclo

6 ай бұрын

I guess Schwarzenegger have some saying on that!

She (the nanny)was having an affair with the husband . She posted pictures of their love in her Facebook to show her friends in Brazil. I'm Brazilian that's what they are saying in Brazil

I’d be interested in the relationship between the nanny and her employment duties..ie was she actually a nanny or perhaps a surrogate mother..it’s just a thought

@CaseyMarie11-11

9 ай бұрын

Why would they need a surrogate? It shows pictures of the wife big pregnant, and I think they only had one child..

You are opening the door to Temptation when one hires Young man or woman as a nanny.

@lolocaboclo

6 ай бұрын

the couple did have a chance to hire an American person or put the girl in day care .It was optional.

I understand him lawyering up. Yall will just want to make an arrest and prosecutor just wants a conviction. Innocent people have been locked up for decades because of overzealous law enforcement

@momof3chis291

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY! I hate how they ALWAYS try to make the person who immediately “lawyers up” lol shady, or guilty because of it. You are an absolute fool if you ever go in to speak to the police because you know you are innocent and you just want to help out. Always retain counsel ESPECIALLY if you’re innocent.

@dkg_gdk

9 ай бұрын

Oh really?? Boo hoo let's just blame the immigrant nanny for everything right?

This is to crazy

His wife was beautiful! The aupair not so much… why

@MrJuvefrank

9 ай бұрын

Is a lack of intelligence the reason people murdered the lady? Whoever murdered her thought he/she would get away with it.

Could it have been a murder for hire plot and she killed the hitman...

Rest in peace

He wasn’t an intruder. They set him up to come to the home. They posted something online some fetish thing. He was a total stranger used as a ploy. This is just like Mark Winger case in the 90s.

Poor lady caught in evil web.poor baby

Ugh! How! Awful

9:40 ALWAYS GET A LAWYER!

What a mess up,they could have gone onto have a larger family and look at this mess for what!!!???