Interesting video. I have a 2018 yzf250 its the most repsonsive 250f for 3rd gear in tight turns i have ever ridden. I bought a 23 and just like the 24 in this video it has a flat spot off the bottom. Requires the clutch to stop it from bogging like that. Ive tried the hard hitting map and all the other maps. Also a 51 sprocket. The bike is stock it has a powerflow kit and a larger airbox cover with stock gearing, this made a bit of difference. Is there any maps for snappy response? 2nd gear is so short so id love to get the bike on par with the 2018 engine feel. Any ideas?

Love your vids 🤙

Feels like bikes haven't really advanced that much in the last 20 years. Like 99% of riders (myself included) will lap just as fast on a 2004 as a 2024 if the suspension is set up and the engine has been looked after. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all, ride what you've got and save your cash.

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Very true! The best bike is the one you have with you.

@19Jharris

16 күн бұрын

Just bring back the 2 strokes where men had to ride - you actually had to be really good

my engine and suspension guy took the hard hitting map and added ignition to the lower rpm and lower throttle range if that makes sense and i really love it. i think its faster then my fc 250 with a get ecu and full fmf at least it feels a lot faster

Can’t wait to get that thing dialed in!

What a change in exhaust note. I like the new yamadawg

My 2023 250f 3rd gear bogs in tighter turns as well no matter what map, sprocket change probably best option

@evanraes6415

Ай бұрын

Why do you go third in a corner barely on the gas

I have 2017, 2023 & 2024. 17 by far the most bottom but also least top. 24 most mid and top but least bottom. Twinair throttle body kit and playing around with maps got the bottom back on par with the 23. Didn’t lose mid-top. Then powerflow kit crispened it all up and it hauls. Even with a 49 rear. Also 24 makes it very easy to stand up around every corner

@HPRaceDevelopment

5 ай бұрын

I think people need to recalibrate themselves quite a bit. The 18-23 is flat better everywhere than the 17. But the 18 plus ALSO is better up top so it FEELS better up top.

@henryberkin7841

5 ай бұрын

@@HPRaceDevelopment in my personal experience with my 3 bikes I found the 17 to feel like a monster off the bottom but fell on its face fairly quickly afterwards. When I got my 23 I noticed straight away that it didn’t feel as strong off the bottom, wasn’t as connected to the wheel and it mattered what gear you were in a bit more. I also noticed that it pulled a lot harder through the mid to top where the 17 struggled. Once I got my 24 I definitely noticed the bottom end not having the torque of my other 2 bikes and really needing to shift down extra for corners and use more clutch. I also thought it had a lot more mid than 23 and a bit more top. Stock out of the box power all around was best on the 23. I left it stock for the race season but found myself looking for more top end on the 17 and more bottom on the 24. Perfect power would’ve been the 17 bottom end on the 24. This is all off feel on the track as the only one I got to put on the dyno was the 17.

@user-lv3py5vm6i

4 ай бұрын

@@HPRaceDevelopment I have the 17 and would like less snappiness and hyper responsiveness down low when I'm in corners but maybe a little more mid to upper. Have you found any sprocket set up that might help with this? It's so responsive off the bottom that just a slight twitch on throttle can upset bike for me in rutted corners etc. Fun bike though!

@mitchelljordan447

4 ай бұрын

@@user-lv3py5vm6i I went one tooth down on the rear of my ‘16. I did it so I could get a bit more out of 3rd gear before shifting to fourth but it smoothed it out a little. Also put yosh slip on on it, had to pass sound for a race and didn’t have time to repack the stock muffler, that seemed to move the power up in the rpm’s a bit too and smoothed out that initial crack of throttle.

What I’ve been waiting for!!! For sure mapping can be the issue.. especially with the exhaust.. will need to richen the map more for the added flow.

@mxr248

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely don’t listen to this guy! The bike comes stock with 2 tunes. Ones linear and the other more aggressive. There is a huge difference. The 23 came that way so did the year before that. That 23 that he rode guarantee it has a tune from what he was describing. How do I know? I’ve rode them all. Go watch other pros ride the 24 and see how much they brag about this thing. Hell it won a few shootouts and so did the yz450..

@RVENZ

5 ай бұрын

@@mxr248 It’s his personal opinion and experience on the bike, it doesn’t mean he’s wrong. The bike needs to be mapped properly for the exhaust. It was running a map made my Keefer then used the stock map. Both of which aren’t optimized for the added flow the full exhaust provides. Also take into account he’s riding 2 personal bikes that are setup to the liking of those riders. He is not riding 2 completely stock bikes that Yamaha provided. I am surprised as well he didn’t like the new as I thought he would and a lot of has to come down to, mapping and set up from the owner of the bike. He also said he loves the 450, so he’s not taking anything away from it.

@jomacba

5 ай бұрын

It's 100% the exhaust. Same issue with the 450. FMF kills the bottom end. Remap 100% fixed the bottom end power issue and spread the power around more.

The solution to my '22 was an upgraded 200SX with YZ250 front end and STIC Super X carb. Then a '24 300SX. YAT

From what I’ve read the 2024 yz250f has the air box design of the 450 (obviously) and it has slower air flow. The slower air flow gives it that gargle and slow feeling on throttle roll on and low rpm. Twisted development has a reworked air box for it. I’ve got a 23 yz250f and a 24 300sx. My problem now is I love the yz chassis but maaaan that 300 roll on is something else. Lol

@HPRaceDevelopment

5 ай бұрын

twisted installs the 450 air box....

Love your shootout videos. Brutally honest rip new yami. Ha, no just needs tuned. When swamp-moto did the shootout they had Yamaha upload a “response” map.

Let’s see a video on the new yz 450 bro !! I’ve Tried every 450 apart from new kx and ktm i wanted which ever bike I felt comfy on didn’t care what that was the new yz I had a smile and was so much fun light nimble I came from a yz 21 450 was a tractor and a rocket ship and heavy rider triangle wasn’t best Hard to have fun””” on a 450 but the new 23-24 is fkn amazing im 250lbs body builder to. Im getting suspension done asap just got renthal rc high bars and flo pegs and 22 yz mounts to fit so the rider triangle is even better

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

AJ LOVES the new YZ450. I think thats why the bar was so high for the 250, but they've had an extra year to figure things out on the 450.

@adamrochester1

5 ай бұрын

@@themotoacademyYT the 23 and 24 are exact same bike yeh nothing changed or did they change the 24 a little

Wow im surprised that mass has an even.. guess ill see you may 20th🔥

Just snagged a 23 450 after months of hemming and hawing after riding my buddies. Ended up selling my 21.5 Fc450RE and I don’t regret it for one second. New 450. So. Damn. Good. For context I’ve ridden the whole skittles bag of chassis up to the 23 models. Haven’t touched the new kawi or the new ktm obviously. If your into a 450 that turns, has the best suspension available on a stock platform and will probably drag every other stock blue is a real good place to look. I still ride my orange 2 strokes, as well as being very pleased about my change in 4 stroke. Golf clubs. So to speak. Next on the hit list is the new 250.

@adamrochester1

5 ай бұрын

Bro same here ! Tried every 450 apart from new kx and ktm the new yz I had a smile and was so much fun I snagged a 23 450 with 8 hours on it and got it for 4000 cheaper pretty much stole it !!

i love my 23. would have gone for the 24 but i wasnt in the mood for waiting considering my local dealers still havent gotten a single 24 yz250f. im a fan of how wide the old model is

@TrickRacing

4 ай бұрын

You made the right call buddy the 2024 is better then other brands but actually went backwards from the 23 . I knew this would happen. When you have the best yz 250f ever made in 2023 you can only go backwards. The 24 has less torque worse fork valving and is way less stable

@mikeyp9894

16 күн бұрын

@@TrickRacing so glad I got the 23 then! I was on the cusp and bought mine in Aug of 2023,

I would like to see a bike shoot out with all the bikes just to get your opinion vs the other guys opinions and then rank them best to worst

7.8 to a YZ250f is insane. Its the best bike i've used and owners dont care for it too much (rode it without checking SAG, clickers, anything) I would still consider a 2020 250f over any other new 250f.

I just picked up a brand new 2024 KX450 if you want to try it out! I rode it at Dade City MX on Sunday for the first time and it was awesome 🤘

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Awesome! Might have to come check it out!

Have you rode the 2022 fc 350 Husqvarna? That's what I got and wow 👌 I love my bike just wondering 🤔 what you thought about the Husqvarna 350 aj?

AJ. You need to locate and try the Beta 300 rx ...

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Would love to!

I have a 2018 YZ450F and it's one of the best bikes I've ridden even with the fat flared shroud, with the right tune it powers through every thing and handles very smooth for the amount of power delivery it has

Airbox issue from what iv heard. Same as 450 airbox, needs to be a bit smaller for more air velocity.

I have done some digging and the new airbox is the issue from what I have seen. Twisted development is working and maybe has an airbox out now to fix that off the throttle issue.

@Duffster274

5 ай бұрын

The airbox is not the main cause of poor bottom end. If you read my comment i stated that the new bike has a thicker heavier cam chain.

@austintabers1479

5 ай бұрын

@@Duffster274 based on videos I’ve watched, Mitch Payton also made the claim that it was the air box, not the cam chain

@TrickRacing

4 ай бұрын

@@Duffster274yes it is buddy it's a fact Mitch Peyton helped mxa test riders figure out why it's laggy it's not the thicker cam chain

@TrickRacing

4 ай бұрын

@@austintabers1479yep didn't even see your comment but yep it's the airbox the 24 went 1 step forward and 3 back . Less stable, worse valving and less torque

The new chassis need to be on the wright rider sag or you’ll not be confortable, the bike is more sensitive to it than the old one. Even front brake will be more different if you have too much sag. The power could be change with the app. Apparently there is a map that you can change to have the bike feels like the old one. The slip on isn’t always a good thing, didnt worked for me when i had an fmf on my old 2010 yz250f. Also maybe the high compression on the old one made de difference.

It's always kind of bothered me that manufacturers use the same frame on a 250, that they use/designed for a 450. I would think a frame could be better optimized for each motor, as they have very different characteristics (weight, power, torque, etc.) HOWEVER, I totally understand why they do this... to save money (one design, tooling on the assembly line, etc.) Mitch Payton, owner of Pro Circuit, said it's the larger air box... again, it's larger because it's the same frame and airbox from the 450, hence not really designed/optimized for the 250. IMHO, it sucks that one would have to buy a new, 3rd party airbox to fix a brand-new bike. I'm guessing that with gearing and mapping, one could get close to fixing the bottom end issue? AJ, thanks for your opinion and the video.

@themotoacademyYT

Ай бұрын

Interesting idea!

The only change in the motor was that they made the timing chain a little wider to improve durability so a little torque loss is to be expected

@TrickRacing

4 ай бұрын

It's the air box . Also way less stable it took 1 step forward with turning and 3 steps back. Less stable , less torque off bottom, and fork valving also went back

Sounds like something was up with that 24. I have a 23 and 24 and there is such a small difference between them with regards to power and suspension. I think riding bikes handed over to ride without knowing where anything is set is always tough. Both chassis at the end of the day are really great, Yamaha has been on top for a while. The other issue is that the 24 should be running the map for the full exhaust (even though most test have gotten better performance and certainly torque with the stock header). Most guys are switching from 13/50 to 13/51 for a slight improvement in using 3rd gear. Overall good feedback though.

@jdc9128

5 ай бұрын

What gearing do you run on your 23 mate ? I've just got one and feeling it needs a gearing change ,not sure if I should go 1 down on the rear and stretch 2nd and 3rd out or go 1 up and use 3rd more in the turns

@ridendrive

5 ай бұрын

@@jdc9128 I was happy going to a 51 rear and getting a longer chain.

@jdc9128

5 ай бұрын

​@ridendrive cool , thank you I'll give that ago

Awesome comparison video!! Definitely won't get a YZ250f when it's time to change up. Sad to I kinda love my 20 yz250f.

@socmonki

5 ай бұрын

Can't really rate this one compared to one off the showroom floor. He has a map on it for stock exhaust, with an aftermarket exhaust. Not gonna be optimal. Not to mention he probably glazed the pads or rotor on the front and needs to bleed the line/caliper. Bottom end problem is because they made it a more upper end focused power this time, but doing a map change and there's an airbox out for it to give it back that bottom end of the older bike. Just my 2 cents.

@TrickRacing

4 ай бұрын

Not it's a fact the 24 went 1 step forward making it more narrow and 3 step backward. Less stable, less torque and worse fork valving . It's still a great bike but the 23 was GOD when it comes to 250f's the best ever made it's only 1 complaint is that it's too wide and footpegs too high . You can fix the footpegs by making them lower and seat taller just can't fix width

I have the ‘24 yz250f. My guess is his map and exhaust don’t like each other. Mine is still bone stock but it’s very aggressive off the bottom to mid

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Very possible!

You should try a 2004 yz250f vs 2024 yz250f

What is his choice between the 24 yami, and the 24sxf and crf ?

@SurfJdog

3 ай бұрын

Def not the CRF

The best mod for the 250f turtle setting is a 125.If im going to be a slow injured old man i want to smile while im doing it.

@yz125fun5

5 ай бұрын

😂 love it, too funny ❤

where is this track? love the layout

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Moto Bros Punta Gorda in Florida!

@jonathanz8568

5 ай бұрын

@@themotoacademyYT would love to come here one day. Awesome videos guys! Keep it up!

24' yz450f is what I want but in the back of my head I'm thinking I need a 24' yz250f...great vid🤘

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Love to hear it!

@adamrochester1

5 ай бұрын

Get a yz 450 23-24 so much fun

@adamhill2788

5 ай бұрын

@@adamrochester1 out the door at my local shop a 24' yz450f is 11,500$...in 3yrs it'll be worth half that, my Harley will be worth more than it is today...I just like bike🤘🛵

Right AJ I'm not sure when you'll be made aware of this and this goes to anyone who doesn't know about the new 2024 YZF 250, compared to the older ones the new one has an upgraded cam chain meaning it's thicker/fatter which makes the weight of it heavier than the old cam chains. The older cam chains have issues of stretching too easily or snapping. The new cam chain on the new version causes it to have a bad bottom end. So it's not badly mapped from the factory, it just needs the engine tuned a little, an exhaust and upgrade the air box so it can get more air in it.

24 is garb. But dude has a hi comp piston of course it’s going to feel faster lol

In your opinion what was better the 24 yz250f or the 22-24 crf 250r

@DamonCT

5 ай бұрын

I have a 23 crf250r & a 24 Yamaha 250f. Both are incredible bikes but I would choose the Yamaha every day.

@nakedsingularity3165

22 күн бұрын

@@DamonCT - I'm a hardcore Yamahauler, but I'm curious why it beats the Honda in your opinion?

@DamonCT

21 күн бұрын

@@nakedsingularity3165 just the way the bike feels and rider triangle. To me the Honda feels wide & long like a boat. The suspension and bike feel were automatically much more comfortable to me

The front fender on the new bike is so ugly looks like a turtle shell.

2018-2023 generation is probably best generation Yamaha ever made they couldn’t do anything but go backwards it was already a perfect bike

@themotoacademyYT

4 ай бұрын

I'm sure they'll get this one figured out as well!

Well… sorry for the book. But you asked. Clickers most likely. How many hours on the new bike? Suspension might need to settle and break in still possibly but maybe not. It did on the 450. The reason it doesn’t want to pull third as well is the beefier cam chain it’s going to be a little heavier and slower to rev. You could try some higher octane oxygenated fuel it might make things a bit more crisp. Blend a little u4.4 into some 91 pump. I know it’s not a high comp bike but it never hurts to rule out fuel. Just don’t run the octane up too high or it will create its own issues. Also. It really is entirely unfair to compare a standard compression bike to a high compression one. Especially on off throttle low speed corners like that. It will never pick up like a high comp bike. Or be as crisp. The new chassis on the 450 is amazing. I have not ridden a 250. But on paper it’s the same minus the gyro and weight of the 450. All I’ve had to do is clickers so far. Low hours 24 would be what I’d be looking for.

So I should stick with the Honda 250r is what your saying

@jedielder7970

Ай бұрын

🤣

Your spot on , it's good just not as good as 2023. Way less stable, less torque down low and the front forks blow out on big hits compared to 23

I think its the new airbox on the 24 that makes it lug like that, not 100% sure tho

@mxr248

5 ай бұрын

It is not the air box. They changed the air port. Also he has the bike in linear mode. Put it to aggressive and that bike is a rocket ship. Don’t listen to a guy that doesn’t set the bikes up correctly nor does a fair comparison. The 23 has a high compression piston and by how he said the power comes on it has a tune! I’ve rode the 23 brand new. It came with 2 tunes already installed. 1st one is liner press the button and the other is aggressive. Huge difference!! The suspension on that 23 he rode the guy apparently has his settings all wrong. Cause that suspension out of the box is amazing. Only did a few clicks and set the sag. I rode it a very fast track huge jump big braking bumps and so on. That bike is great! So is that 24. The 23 and 24 yz450 is flat out amazing as well!

@TrickRacing

4 ай бұрын

Yes it's the air box.

High compression piston in the older bike is most likely making the engine feel better than the new one. Really need to compare both stock bikes to get an accurate comparison imo.

The new one sounds like a Honda, compared to the camera guys bike you first rode

Hello me again. For one the 23 I can guarantee you it’s not on the stock tune if you’re taking corners in 3rd and it pulls better than the 24. The 23 in linear is beginner mode so to say. Now when you hit the button for the next tune in stock form it’s hard hitting and it pulls a lot better and is a rocket ship. Same as the 24! Also you said something about the suspension on the 23 rear being harsh. Apparently whoever’s bike that is has it way out of whack. That bike with even an hour is amazing with its suspension set right. Same as the 24. The 24 with the other tune is a rocket ship. So many other say the opposite of you. Your other post you sent me a message saying you were riding this new bike from some guy during his session so you didn’t have time to do anything. That was the bike by itself yet here you are again more time on it still no adjustments nor a tune that makes all the difference. You are basically riding the new bike set at a slow rate easy to ride mode. You should know all this considering Yamaha has this technology for about 10 years that nobody had.

Im still on 2021 😎🔥 (monster edition)

@themotoacademyYT

3 ай бұрын

Great bike!

yamaha engineers want you to spend extra dollar on mods ahahah... I've tried the 2023 yz450f, is the frame the same that yz250f 2024?

Talking about new vs old and im over here with my 2003 yz125.... What am I a dinosaur?

@jdub976

5 ай бұрын

Thats still a dam fun bike

Dude what track is this, thats the nicest most groomed track ive seen

@themotoacademyYT

14 күн бұрын

Moto Bros Punta Gorda! In Florida!

10 pushups for the foot dab at 3:26.....

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

At LEAST

review a KTM!??

Lots of shootout video's are out there and according to them the Yamaha's are top notch .

@yukonjon5964

5 ай бұрын

but MXA says the same thing as AJ here... no low end. lets hear how much the air box mods help it.

You know AJ is required to put out negative propaganda to everything but Hondas. He reports to Lukas.

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Haha nope. He LOVES the New Generating YZ450.

I had to stop this I thought they were 2 strokes

So your saying they should both get kawasaki's?😅 Dully noted kind sirs

@themotoacademyYT

5 ай бұрын

Oh easily. 😂

the plastics on the new yama are so sick

@hannesleijowall5727

5 ай бұрын

I´m a yamaha guy, but the first time I saw the new modell I was like man thats an ugly bike. It hasnt changed. Imo the ugliust bike.

@yukonjon5964

5 ай бұрын

@@hannesleijowall5727 at least it's not so wide now.

@AA-mk4pu

4 ай бұрын

By sick, you mean ugly as F?

HEY

Why do all the new Yamahas sound like they whine?

@koysmith89

5 ай бұрын

They have turbos

KTM set the bar too high Yamaha are garbage and you have to throw obscene money to get them decent vs any of the three ktm models (gg and husky) even Honda’s are so much better from an ergonomics standpoint. The reliability is questionable as many people end up with complete failures with less than 40 hours on the bike. And for the amount of money you’re throwing at this bike to get it decent you could’ve done it with any other bike that had a better base not to mention these bikes all sound like complete shit.