But which one is more likely to honor warranty if you ride it “off road” lol

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Ducati... However Triumph now defines "off-road" which is a nice step forward. If you jump the Triumph it does void the warranty. Ducati doesn't have any we qualifiers like that to cancel warranty

@EdJZatta

3 ай бұрын

Define jump, are we talking Dukes of Hazard or Evil Knevil rocketing over the snake?

@HankOnWheels

3 ай бұрын

@@BretTkacs what does "jump" mean and how would they know?

@RC-br1ps

3 ай бұрын

​@HankOnWheels all the electronics and sensors on the bike...I would bet that they can be accessed to tell the story of recent usage

@PetrolJunkie

3 ай бұрын

@@HankOnWheels Airborn sensor in the computer. Most new cars have them, it wouldn't be a stretch to put one on a motorcycle. Essentially it marks the checkbox any time it thinks all of your wheels have left the ground. My truck says it's been airborne but I guarantee it's never been jumped. Going over rail road tracks and feeling the suspension drop out from under the truck was probably enough to trigger it. Likely Triumph has done something simular.

This was a very entertaining presentation. Love the way u 2 guys did it. Thx.

Great job guys. This one was the way we'd all talk to each other about our favorite bikes... felt like a chat at a bar.

Nice format Bret. Good fun. You had it nailed with the comment: “If I only had one bike, it would be the Tiger”. I’ve done 2,500kms in the two weeks I’ve owned my 2024 Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Can’t stay off it. It’s a brilliant bike.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Good call!

@hurry1274

3 ай бұрын

And me a 1200 rallypro. Could easily beat a GS.

@jeronimus19

3 ай бұрын

Hahaha... pure illusion of yours..., but that's ok, GS only increase in weight and size, one of these days a GS will reach 1500cc and impossible to ride off-road 👍👍😅🤣

Super informative and loads of fun listening to you two.

We need more comparison in this style. Awesome!

You guys are even more fun in person. Enjoyed the ADV training this past weekend at Penmerryl Farm, VA! - Alternator Boy

Enjoyed the banter..both solid bikes!

After test riding both bikes I bought the 900 Rally Pro. The key points for me were stability at higher speeds on road (that steering damper on the Desert X is absolutely necessary), fuel consumption (the Ducati used twice the amount of fuel on exactly the same test route) and price. For similar a specification the Ducati was £5000 more expensive. The Tiger was also far more comfortable for me at 6’3”.

Hi Bret. Your videos are all good, but the videos with Paul are super, super videos!...❤😊 Paul is very positive and a very, very great guy.

We need more of these :D

Best comparison I've ever seen! You are best guys!

Awesome awesome awesome, and I agreed, almost pulled the trigger on DesertX, but since I have a dirt bike went for Multi V4 rally, but if I am on the market today and new Tiger is out ( which wasn't last year) I would go definitely with Triumph, love the video tactics here, great job you guys, cheers V!

Excellent video and great format. Very helpful indeed.

This was a great format!!

Well done, both of you 🙏🏻👍🏻 Two wonderful nice to have-ones. The 900 Rally Pro would be mine too 🤪

@BretTkacs Thank you for another amazing video. I have a question, do you think the tiger can be used as well for touring with a passenger?

Loved the humor in this video!

Well produced video. Good info and fun. now which one is easier to maintain in the long run?

That's what we call proper comparison video...kudos to you👍

LOVE THIS! QUESTION? do either have controls that light up? Lol just curious....Happy Spring to you both..and anything yall do reviewing Side by Side of the BEST

@Ironhawx

3 ай бұрын

Tiger controls light up.

Well done, as always!

Had a 900. LOVED IT! But I crashed it and broke the engine crank case or something like that. So I purchased the closest thing to it on the showroom floor. Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Oh my GOODNESS. Best thing ever happened to me. Not a lot of difference in weight, a hella lot of difference in power, performance, vibration, and over all fun. Have ridden it all over America. On and off road. Now I wanna do it again. I love this (these, including the 900) bike. The 1200 is everything you want in a BMW GS without all the bulkiness.

Bret, Have you ridden the Aprilia ? Would love to hear your thoughts if you have.

That was a hoot guys, lots of fun and still on track....

Great format! I’d be interested in a comparison of costs of living with it and daily practicality (e.g., air filter change).

I have a Tiger 900 RP, and I found that the off road performance is significantly enhanced by adjusting the suspension for off road as per the manual. This seems to be little discussed in reviews, but it changes the rake angle, and made a real difference. I wonder if you have done the same, and whether you have any comment on the consequent performance?

How is it that your DX has adjustable seat heights? Mine only has the ‘optional’ and expensive high seat adjustment 😄Enjoyed the video.

I tried them both and ended up with ordering Tiger. Basically all pros and cons were said, however I would say that Desert X has very little of wind protection. Great video Gents!

Would be interested to see a comparison with the new F900 GS.. I'm not a huge BMW guy, but that new 900 looks the part. Maybe you can get a Tuareg 660 to try out at some point too. I've been having a lot of fun on mine :D

Really good video! Brazil is watching you! rsrs

Awesome! 😂Miss you guys already. See ya next year!

Great vid! Love the Tiger (have a -22) but really enjoyed riding a bike with the possibility to switch Offroad mode on/off on the go during a trip to spain last year... It is one of the few complaints I have about the Tiger.... DesertX looks awesome tthough!

@CR-rider-17

3 ай бұрын

If u are in off-road mode just press the switch mode bottom for 3 or 4 seconds. Welcome.. only works for off-road to on-road

Hi Brett. Great video. I have a Desert X and can relate to your comments on the bike. Can you pls let me know what windshield you have put on yours. I’m not very tall (5 foot 8 inches) however I find the buffeting at 100km/hr very annoying. Looking forward to future videos.

@nickwirdnam7316

3 ай бұрын

Buffeting on Adventure bikes is horrible, I'm 5,8 also ride a Tiger with an adjustable screen, if it's high or low I still get buffeting so 5,8 or 6 foot you'll still have it.

Excellent review!

Backlit controls on the Triumph

Thank you so much for the comparison video guys. I’ve been torn between the tiger rally pro and the BMW 900 GS. Even though this was a comparison with a Ducati, I think it helped me make a more informed decision.

@willurban837

Ай бұрын

Me too, made up your mind yet?

@Lejokerjosh

Ай бұрын

@@willurban837 yes I am going for the 2024 tiger rallyPro. Around 85 to 90% of my use is going to be on the pavement. However, I also live in Washington and love having accessibility to the mountains and forestry roads so I think this is a perfect pairing with my 4Runner. There was a lot of technical reasons that I chose the 2024 rally pro but you’re just getting so much for the value.

@willurban837

Ай бұрын

@@Lejokerjosh nice, bmw Thailand is making it easy for me by not offering the f900gs 2024 until November. After a happy test ride I will be going for the tiger as well!

Have you tried Aprilia Tuareg 660? Would be interesting to see that review as well.

@chooseadventure3756

3 ай бұрын

I have the Tuareg 660 and put 7,000 miles on it. I have only test driven the new Tiger 900 rally pro on pavement. The Tuareg seat does not agree with me for longer than 30-40 minutes, though others seem to like it. While riding, the Tiger feels just as light even though it is not. I feel significantly more refinement to the Tiger overall, and definitely more power even though the Tuareg's does not feel lacking. For sure I could do many more miles per day on the Tiger on pavement/gravel and feel much better at the end of it. The Tuareg had no problem doing it, it's just not comfortable seating, though I've done over 500 miles in around 9-10 hours with some rain. I cannot speak to the Tiger offroad. I hope that helps.

This is the BEST way to do bike comparisons! The fella on the right is jolly AF!

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Paul is a jolly guy... Just don't piss him off 🤔😁👍🤣

@AlexKovshovik

3 ай бұрын

@@BretTkacs He seems the kinda gentlemen I would get along with really well 🤣

Great, this film is great, and you two are really funny giving informations

Thanx about video! I love my tiger 2020 and little angry about new TFT screen:) I want upgrade😂

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

The new screen is really nice

The only bike I own is a 2015 Triumph Tiger XCX 800 which I bloody love and the engine is beautiful. Out of the two on display in this video the only thing that would sway me to the Ducati is the aesthetics, it looks SICK. Other than that triumph every day of the week.

Great video. 👍

Guys, great stuff! What about the 24 degree rake in the tiger? I just snagged a lightly used 2022 tiger RP and then saw concerns about the rake. I'm coming from an 890R and interested in your take . Cheers!

@Shake_and_Bake_Moto

2 ай бұрын

I see you already answered this question in a previous comment string below. Thanks and keep up the shenanigan's (and great content)! 😎

Great review, very entertaining. Which bike felt better balanced?

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

They felt very similar

Agree. I own a DX but I wouldn’t want it as my only bike. Frankly the wind protection on it is poor coming off a GS. Haven’t ridden the updated tiger yet, but looks like good bang for your buck!

The Tiger is an almost complete bike. The only thing missing, imho, is an electronically adjustable suspension. I love the bike, it's awesome. And I love the brand. ❤️ And yet, I'm gonna sell it. Whenever I come to my garage, without much thinking I always pick the other bike, a Husky 701. It doesn't have all the stuff, but it's just so much more FUN and makes me giggle all the time and I feel 20 years younger. 😅 Last year: 200km on the Tiger, 10,000km on the Husky. There's just no argument.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

I personally prefer manual suspension adjustments

@spikejnz

3 ай бұрын

The GT variant gets the electronically adjustable Marzocchi suspension, but the Showa has way more adjustability for off road riding.

GREAT STUFF

You didn’t mention maintenance. The ‘24 Tiger valve inspection is increased to 18,000 miles. Also not mentioned was the radiator heat on the knees.

The mid range adventure bikes have really gotten competitive. I looked at the Triumph, Ducati, KTM, Aprilia and Husqvarna. All of them were feature loaded to the gills. The price range was all over the place. I eventually opted for the Norden 901 Expedition, but truthfully you really couldn't go wrong with any of the bikes in this category.

@WilliamWBG

2 ай бұрын

And the new BMW 900GS is said to be even better.

I would probably grab the Triumph keys myself. One of the biggest gripes I have about anything Duccati is cost of ownership, more on point the cost of maintenance. Not necessarily shop costs, those are outrageous. Even if you turn your own wrenches on the bike the parts are all more expensive then they need to be and it's done on purpose to discourage people from doing their own work. On top of that, many of the go to after market brands don't have decent parts for most of the Duccoti like up. That said, I would rather something like a Honda 300 or 450 for a haul to the trail head dedicated off road bike. If I want to ride there, my R1250GSA. Yes, it's a touring bike. I will freely admit that, but the GSA still does what I need it to do even on single tracks.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

And Ducati is more expensive on parts than BMW?

@PetrolJunkie

3 ай бұрын

@@BretTkacs Compare the numbers side by side and at least here the BMW is actually cheaper.

I’m an old fart who’s not getting after the full lock power slides. I have a 22 GT Pro but between a generous Christmas bonus and the significant 24 improvements I’m going for the 24 Rally coming up here soon. These Tigers are such an easy, friendly ride. I’m hooked. Then, here in Idaho, the dealer is a significant factor. Quick comment on the passenger pegs. Don’t tell anyone, but I dropped my bike at a standstill and the passenger pegs plus bracket saved my Scorpion can. One last question. Just bought a pair of Alpinstar Tech 7 enduros. It’s like riding in my ski boots. Any tips on break in?

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

The Tech 7 is actually one of the more flexible enduro boots in toe flex, but the toe box is fairly thick. Most importantly you need to adjust your controls if you haven't already. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4uJktGwdZu6aNo.htmlsi=jXGQHbAtWfEFrWUA

Great content, I have only room for one bike in my tiny garage, and it's home to the previous gen Tiger RP 900.

Oh, lordy...i couldn't care less about the bikes, BUT so FUN to listen to you two😂

Went with Ducati desert x rally and have been really impressed with the first 7000kms….had a 23’ 1200 rally pro for a year and way to many electrical issues for me and pour fuelling….so didn’t want anything to do with the new 900….hopefully they get sorted….I have also found the Ducati electronics are by far the most advanced from all the bikes I’ve owned -KTM, Triumph, BMW….

I had the Rally Pro for just over two years, eventually putting it in on a speedmaster. At 5’6” it was a little bit too tall for me, don’t get me wrong I took it over to Munich while working out there and Denmark while working out there taking in some long mileage (800+ miles) runs, but I was not confident in taking it off road, mainly due to the height and weight (oh i am 61 too). I have my eye on a possible 2nd bike, for some off road shenanigans and that is likely to be the Himalayan 450 when it eventually gets here in the UK. You never know, if I can work on my skill levels I may well get another tiger, I like the 1200 with its shaft drive, but they are even taller, may need some high heel boots lol

Thanks Bret, another great video. Looks like Paul's Tiger OEM tires were changed out. Can you share what tires are on it now? Best regards!

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Anakee Wilds

@rbrown1339

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!@@BretTkacs

good review; interesting comments. . which has service and parts i your area. Both are slow here. i'd pick the lightest one. like the 850 sport but its not available here ! so ....

I change modes on the go on my Multistrada quite a lot when i go out on a big adventure weekend or longer. I would hate having to stop to adjust the mode. Without this video, i may have bought it and been totally let down by that. No worries though, i am infatuated with the Toureg.

Any comments or thoughts on the different front fork rake angle? I get it that Triumph may not want to eat the cost of different tooling for different designs between the road vs offroad oriented Tiger. Does it really make any difference offroad compared to the Ducati or others? Thanks!

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

I really didn't notice any significant difference between the DDX and T9 Pro in handling other than the Showa suspension felt slightly better than the KYB. In 23' I'd say the DDX may have been the best OEM suspension of any middleweight... The T9 Pro now has a slight edge. As for fork angle... I don't care about the numbers if it works

@chooseadventure3756

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the analysis. I saw a review video where the rake angle was "partially" blamed for a gravel corner crash. Agreed. If it works, it works, is what matters!

@spikejnz

3 ай бұрын

One of the tricks they don't tell you about is that when riding off-road and you reduce rear preload and increase front, the angle actually increases and is more competent off-road

@chooseadventure3756

3 ай бұрын

@spikejnz Interesting! It does make sense. I think I remember correctly that Ian with Big Rock Moto, on his Nevada BDR ran into a bunch of deep sand, and I think he increased front preload to try to help make it easier.

I will say this about the Ducati: I've ridden the Triumph 900, owned a GS1250, a 890R and now the Ducati DesertX. None of them are as easy and confidence inspiring in soft terrain like sand and mud as the Ducati. If you look at the geometry (rake, trail and wheel base) you'll understand why.

Which one would you choose to take on a 1000 mile trip? I heard the old 900 wasn't exactly pleasant on the tarmac for long distances.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Paul didn't love either seat but I liked both. The Tiger is definitely set up yo be more comfortable on long trips. Better airflow, heated seat and grips, centerstand for chain maintenance etc. I would ride either but given the choice I'd take the Tiger

@spikejnz

3 ай бұрын

I took my '22 Tiger 900 RP to Colorado, including riding Cumberland Pass, and spent a week riding it in total. At no point was I longing for an aftermarket seat, though I would def add a Sheepskin seat cover for long distance riding in a single day.

Awesome video next time add a little bit of POV riding off-road would like to see you guys riding hard and maybe crashing a little 💪😁

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

That was the plan but weather and time limited us... Our primary job was teaching so all the video had to be snuck in. I am also solo and video and edit everything on this channel 😁👍

What settings do you use for off road on the Ducati as I have the same bike

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Most of the time I am full power, quick shifter on, traction control off, lift control off, off-road abs (or off). My Enduro mode is: low power, QS on, traction control 1, lift control off, off-road ABS.

Fun Video Indeed 👌 Which one of these motorcycles feels lighter or simply easier to handle while riding across Challenging Off Road Terrain?!

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

These bikes are incredibly similar... It's really rider choice. The Ducati is more tunable foe people like me that like more control over settings, although most of the time the power is maxed out and everything is off or minimized. The Triumph is a better "do-everything" bike The Ducati's ABS is too sensitive in down hill technical off-road (but can be turned off). The Triumph lacks refinement in the off-road traction control in loose uphill or mud (but it can be turned off). Access to settings is much better on the Ducati

I find it gear shift to close to pegs and and when up hill, heel landing on muffler on the right and pressing on the kick stand on the left on the duc not a deal breaker but I wonder if that can be resolved some how ?

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Have you put the gear shifter in the high position?

This was a lot of fun, loved the natural, competitive banter. And wrapping with the “one thing” added the cherry on top.

How do these bikes compare with the Husky Norden?

@richardvalitalo3670

3 ай бұрын

Better seats

Tiger has 24 deg rake which will make it twitchy in offroad imo

Ok but which one is better on long trips and highway?

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

100% the Tiger

What do you think about the maintenance of the Desert X? Is it really that big of a problem or do most of the reviewers exaggerate it?

Good stuff…. Deal breaker for me on the Tiger 900 was the fact I would have to stop to change drive modes, are you kidding me! Bought a BMW 850GSA. More wind protection, more miles to a tank, a blast on the twisty pavement and a 3 year warranty. Fortunately I have another moto in my stable, a Tenere 700, simply a simple adventure moto… Haha! Knobby both my adventure motos up and ride em like I stole em! Ride on!

Not being able to switch riding modes on the fly is one of THE most annoying things about my Tiger. I know I can switch from off road back to road mode while riding by holding down the Mode button but super annoying that I have to stop to switch from road to off road. Also super annoying that I have to do this every time I turn off the bike as it starts in road mode.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

That makes you a team DesertX guy 👍

The duke looks good tho

Both have 2 wheels and both can be ridden and put a smile on riders face.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Agreed... Riders choice

Dammit, this making me lean to purchase another Tiger 900!

Anyone know what brand of windscreen he has on the DDX?

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Unit Garage... Looks great but doesn't work any better than OEM (6' rider)

Great video! So fun to watch it! What do you think about the 890R compared to these two?

@CR-rider-17

3 ай бұрын

Ugly AF

Which one is better would you guys say for highway ? 😊

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Tiger

This ducati sales guy sold the triumph to me trying so hard to defend his ducati.😅 Thank you mate.

Like watching a game of, I spy with my little eye. I'll take the Triumph for my riding style. Thanks,

@dianalynn6247

3 ай бұрын

lol😂

Being able to switch to off-road mode while moving is a big deal for me. I hated having to stop for that on bikes I had before my R1250GS.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

I agree

I think service intervals and their relative costs would have been appropriate topics to be referenced.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

We didn't bring it up because they are nearly the same. Both have an 18k valve service and similar intervals on everything else. A desmo valve check is slightly more work because it has an opener and closer instead of just a closer.

So both will bring a big smile to your face? So pick the one that feels right to you!

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

I got it thanks 😊

Tried both a couple of days ago. The DesertX beats the Tiger at… everything. Except smoothness.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

The Tiger is the more well rounded bike for sure

Oh man, you're breaking my heart over here with my just broken-in Norden

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

The 901 has better balance than both of them

I'd probably love to have either of them, but... for 18 grand plus all the fees the magicians at the dealership can pull from behind my ear, I'd rather buy two bikes. Like a Transalp and an XSR900 combined would only be a couple grand more than the Duc by itself with all the additional kit.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

These are both a price premium for sure and loaded in kind.

@chaseweeks2708

3 ай бұрын

@@BretTkacs Oh, definitely. No argument there. They are friggin' sweet. It's just like buying tools though. Do I want to blow the bank on some absolutely top of the line tools, or do I want to blow half as much for tools that are 90% as good? In your case, it certainly makes sense to blow the wad on a absolutely sweet tool because you're going to use it just about all day every day, and it's a great tax deduction :D

Always nice to see “Paul the Peeker” again

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣

The triumph is a great bike, but if I had the choice to own a Ducati without having to pay for it I couldn’t pass on it tbh. Win-win

❤

When the bike in front is kicking up rocks , the last thing you want to hear from the rider is "EAT MY FEATURES"😂

Not to mention the ridiculous service costs and the 40 minuete air filter change. If the tiger 900 is as smooth and capable as my old tiger 800. It would be Triumph all the way for me.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Service cost is rediculous for any brand now 🫤 unless you do it yourself and then it's time.

Try cleaning the air filter on the Ducati ;-) Good luck, Günter/Nürnberg

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

I have several times... It's 20min if I'm not interrupted

@enduromotorradtouren

3 ай бұрын

@@BretTkacs That's faster than what I've heard. 20 minutes is fine, Bret. No reason to overlook the mighty Desert X. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg

God that Ducati looks the goods.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

Yes she does ❤️

For Desmo servicing needed good service on 30k km(on 15k km check belts and change oil)and it's expensive(1k-3k $) that is big problem for Ducati😢.

Key difference for me is being able to maintain and service the bike at home. Ducati has made it so the owner is unable to do that, which is a hard stop for me even though I love the retro look of the DesertX over the 900RP.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

How is servicing the Duc at home any different that the Tiger?

@donut3110

3 ай бұрын

@@BretTkacs The service notifications and CEL notifications are locked down a lot harder than other bikes, on the DesertX forums we're guessing about 2yrs until it's unlocked in a third party OBD software tool. In order to turn them off you need dealer tools and every visit means paying a dealer to do it. Most dealers will only reset it when doing an oil change, and that's an almost $400 charge to get done.

@pbunt1911

3 ай бұрын

@@donut3110Not true. OBDStar

@donut3110

3 ай бұрын

@@pbunt1911 It's not unlocked. Still very much restricted to do anything.

The Ducati looks better. I’m over the beaks.

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

I'm with you

@simulacrae

3 ай бұрын

Adventure bikes have beaks, racing bikes doesn't have them.

@Adventure_blac

3 ай бұрын

I don’t mind the beaks but the triumph is just a bike to me in terms of looks. The Ducati is really a bike you look at and admire

Neither one, both are too expensive and more powerful than I need. I'll take a free key for a Transalp XL750, a V-Strom 800DE, or a Tuareg 660 though!

@shutupandance

3 ай бұрын

I fully agree with the first sentence. The second is missing the T7.

I hate bike 'reviews' They're mostly a summary of what the specsheet told us.. and in the end, it comes down to "both/all are good and it's a personal preference" This one was fun to watch though.. 😂

@BretTkacs

3 ай бұрын

That's was a comparison and we did leave a lot out but I hate 45 min reviews. We did do individual reviews on the bikes... I normally try to skip the spec sheet and focus on what you can't read about.