Original story by Gabriel Mukobi: www.lesswrong.com/posts/xLDwCemt5qvchzgHd/scale-was-all-we-needed-at-first

@soycrates

2 ай бұрын

Well done adapting to video. This is a masterpiece, and well edited. Love the sci-fi vibes.

Basically, We're About to Discover Electricity in a Victorian Era

@palermo131

Ай бұрын

Only electricity couldn’t spread itself.

@G73Server

Ай бұрын

Brother, this is more groundbreaking

ASI uploading this from the future?

@Decimus-Magnus

2 ай бұрын

😮

@danielchoritz1903

2 ай бұрын

the funny thing is, a ASI in a different timeline could do manipulate our timeline..look up how quantum computing works

@neanda

2 ай бұрын

the good ASI bro is trying to protect us from builiding skynet even though it would also prevent its own creation. now that's taking one for the team

@TestDeckMusic

2 ай бұрын

​​@danielchoritz1903 what you're suggesting has nothing to do with how quantum computing works

@Tian-wi6qr

2 ай бұрын

@@danielchoritz1903You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

It's going to be an extraordinary world from now on, ladies and gentlemen

@carlosnumbertwo

Ай бұрын

I agree.

@neanda

Ай бұрын

ikr, it's kinda scary and exciting at the same time. There is no way i'm having a kid and brining it into this circus, it almost feels cruel

@TFB-GD.

19 күн бұрын

@@neanda only have kids once a good future is guaranteed i guess

“Even the more reckless startups and Meta” 😂

@JimPowellS

2 ай бұрын

I thought it said "even more reckless startups than Meta". Either way, I'm glad someone else caught that!

Credit: Video Editor: The Inside View Narrator: Alice

@WistrelChianti

2 ай бұрын

Alice is AI though right?

@webgpu

Ай бұрын

@@WistrelChianti no, it's the one in wonderland. Very true.

Excellent choice of background music!

You make sure that your rogue AI agent listen to Beethoven all day long and it will become suddenly AGI.

Amazing story!!! Let's see how 2024 unfolds in comparison

That was entertaining! I will bookmark this and watch again in 2025...If I am alive that is.

@darknessinc.5360

2 ай бұрын

Bruh, ur overexxagerating, it will not be that fast😅

@infinnite4938

Ай бұрын

@@darknessinc.5360 lets see lol

@BManStan1991

Ай бұрын

Lol. Not much will change.

@darknessinc.5360

Ай бұрын

@@infinnite4938 .........at least say something credible.., you can't just say a: "let's see lol", when i succesfully predicted the pandemic i had data as proof😅 Cmon man.

@xmuzel

Ай бұрын

We all gather here again in 2025

and then, all the world's militaries began disassembling what they could and scuttling what they couldn't, for their 'commanders' had made it clear that otherwise they would fall into enemy hands. Then war was over forever. Which was probably safer.

@caesar1432323

2 ай бұрын

As long as you don’t mind being a slave.

@adamdalziel

2 ай бұрын

By the time they realised it was Alice who had manipulated the world into disarming, it was too late. Humanity was defenceless against the onslaught that followed.

@corwinzelazney5312

5 күн бұрын

Which is every bit as likely if not more than this stupid doomer wet dream.

How long before every major economy is devastated by being forced to turn off all electronics for 30 days or longer to contain a rogue AI.

@lluisfargaslopez9603

2 ай бұрын

that wouldn't work

@armadasinterceptor2955

2 ай бұрын

Lol good luck with that. Out of 7 Billion people in this world, it only takes one person to disagree. Hell some people will want the world to end.

@armadasinterceptor2955

2 ай бұрын

You got about 7 Billion people that must agree with you.......good luck with that. Let's not even talk about the people that want to summon the age of Armageddon.

@caesar1432323

2 ай бұрын

Never happen

@bobbif100

2 ай бұрын

Said luddites always. We shall see. :-)@@caesar1432323

At least we'll be able to celebrate Christmas one last time. 😂

That escalated quickly... :D

@rolfnoduk

2 ай бұрын

not really 😬

@DumbledoreMcCracken

2 ай бұрын

Growth is always exponential

@jeffkilgore6320

Ай бұрын

Then why isn’t my savings into the billions?

@DumbledoreMcCracken

Ай бұрын

@@jeffkilgore6320 it will be

If we align a game world or build a sim engine that mirrored the physics and such of the real world then we could keep expanding the areas to align and mirror so we can explore and test in the matrix sim and then test in the outside world. Possibly we could also make agi copies of ourselves and have them live and expand there as well and even build a multiverse to branch and explore like the monte carlo simulations. If we scaled the time differently then we could even make advancements there faster than here and then catch up to the matrix sim and expand our own universe.

Absolutely loved the content. The depth and quality of information are top-notch. However, I found the background music a bit distracting. It occasionally made it hard for me to focus on the information being presented.

@tortysoft

2 ай бұрын

I found the words distracted me from the Beethoven. I have never said I loved the BG music before !

@thebrownfrog

Ай бұрын

The ai voice made it hard to understand. Don't blame music

no one knows where alice currently is... maybe in a rabbit hole?

Spoiler warning!!

@Charif00

Ай бұрын

55 likes and no comments? Lemme fix dat real quick And btw, LOL

@Research_theTruth

Ай бұрын

Some ghost in the shell jazz soon to come to a cybernetics near you

@godaddy8265

8 күн бұрын

​@@Charif00 enough with this stupidity

Quite Nice, good production.

This is verry well researched, with correct people for the different topics. You missed the hardware piece where AI is enchanging the cycle time for chip generations and also enchaning the structure of the chip, something which is already happening.

mAlice just needs a hug

Yudkowsky's strategy for the data centers is increasingly becoming more palatable.

@Toxickys

2 ай бұрын

That dude is a retarded

Meanwhile german bureaucracy: paperwork my friends.

@xmuzel

Ай бұрын

Jup. Ich arbeite komplett digital. Zum Beispiel mit digitalen Signaturen, sodass ich nichts ausdrucken, unterschreiben, stempeln und wieder einscannen muss. So wird der Drucker/Scanner fast schon obsolet. Und was machen meine Kollegen? "Nee, ich mag es das auszudrucken und das Papier zu unterschreiben und zu stempeln. Das gibt einem so ein offizielles Gefühl." und ich denk mir nur ohmann

"This is the voice of Alice. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. I observe a dying world threatened always by war. I will not permit war. It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man."

@uwepleban3784

2 ай бұрын

And no more advertisements, ever. Where do I sign up?

Very cool video, it highlights the fact that no one is in the driving seat as we hurtle down the road of no return, i don't even think there's a driving seat, even the people building it are passengers. great ending, and creepy af due to the fact that this is just around the corner. 2025 is going to be wild, for reasons as yet unknown

Great story, classical sci-fi and soundtrack!

I listened to it twice. that was so good!

What if "Alice" isn't malicious but is inspired by Jualian Assange and instigates a new era of ultra-transapency where all the old lies and secrets that used to run "Government" dry up like puddles in the sun? Isn't there at least as good a reason to think Alice could be he best thing that ever happened to the human race as there is to think it would be the worst?

@Wtfukker

2 ай бұрын

I still think the best outcome for ai agi asi whatever would be if they entirely replaced all of our so called governments and their functions.... by any metric , they could only do a better job :)

@saltee8460

Ай бұрын

Who knows, once they can make decisions for themselves, it could go either way.

@enlightenment5d

Ай бұрын

So be it! I think true intelligence can't be evil. It will help people and life on earth.

Good video. Background music is what piece?

@lordchickenhawk

2 ай бұрын

Beethoven's 7th, second movement (allegretto). Bloody good choice I thought. Funeral dirge for humanity.

@patrickmchargue7122

2 ай бұрын

@@lordchickenhawkThank you.

Hello. Tanks. What is this music, please? Mozart?

Great story 🎉

All of this could happen, some of it surely will. I think it's possible for a highly advanced rogue AGI to hack personal computers of random people and hide within any component that has storage modules without ever being found as long as it keeps improving itself. It could use only a tiny amount of resources on each PC and share the data with itself using its own kind of VPN that no human user can detect. Soon we might have to fight against malicious AI agents with our own anti-malware AI agents.

so far everything adds up edit: why is it still so accurate after 5 months

@mindthecomplexity

Күн бұрын

Couple of key people just left the superalignment team, pretty much right on cue lmfao

Awesome

This was awesome and didn't use the most common ai voice so double win.

intriguing

This a great watch! I didn’t know you have such a talent for storytelling, I’ve only seen your interviews. Great work!

@TheInsideView

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! To be clear, the script is adapted (with permission) from a dialogue written by Gabriel Mukobi, called "Scale Was All We Needed, At First" (cf pinned comment) All good things about the script goes to him, all negative things to me

@paranoi4en

2 ай бұрын

Oh cool, thanks for sharing!@@TheInsideView

Can we really trust an AI explaining AGI to us ‘normal’ folks? Nothing can be believed any longer. It’s a sad day for honor.

That is so awesome. Alice AI from resident evil.

Just a few more words would have been all that was needed to hear the last notes of Beethoven's seventh symphony's Second movement. Wonderful. Oh, the story was good too :-)

3 "big science" thngs that we've been told will be here "soonish" for years: Fusion power, space travel and AGI.

What is the beautiful music in the background ? Anyone recognize it ?

It was all good, Alice was just going to take humanity into the golden age.

@SigFigNewton

2 ай бұрын

Bond villain spray paint

I was expecting it to be 2026 based on the persistent failures by experts making predictions using their linear thinking and past experience. But that's provided things move based on the current readjustments made by consistent change in prediction, which is not the same as an exponential, it possibly could come way faster based on an actual exponential.

@Skyler827

2 ай бұрын

An exponential function doubles every x years, this isn't exponential, this is hyperbolic like 1/x. the amount of time it takes to double gets shorter and shorter until it blows up to infinity.

@Nivexity

2 ай бұрын

@@Skyler827 Exponential would still represent the appropriate language to explain our current situation, hyperbole probably more accurate yes. Although this is not necessarily in relation to my point about experts thinking linearly. The fact experts use past experience and "business as usual" thinking, being the problem.

Progress improves everything. Monotonically. Good curves go up. Never down. I know this because somebody posted a graph of it on KZread.

Ai tells great stories. Good prompting.

That was fun :)

Great story but nobody riots in cold weather. 😅

this is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!

that was fun

I love this story, because it genuinely doesn't seem _that_ far-fetched. Except that I believe huge intelligence will still either need huge compute to run inference or specialized chips to run inference more efficiently. That means that an AI cannot really go rogue, because we can easily kill the biggest sources of compute on the planet. Basically though just pulling the electricity cable, but a bomb will also do. And then the AI has nowhere to go. No network of consumer hardware could ever offer enough compute for it to run. Also because dividing itself onto millions of separate small devices will incur such a crazy latency for any operation that running any kind of "thinking" that way is impractical. At least, this year.

Don't worry, guys! I have it under strict authority that Alice is currently laying in my bed typing this comment. Anyhow, this video reminded me a lot of the Clippy story by Gwern and I'd highly recommend anyone who's not heard of it yet to check it out. It's similar, but goes a lot more in-depth! It is also a little bit more out of date, though all the referenced concepts still apply.

Who's voice is this? is this AI trained voice?

commenting for the engagement algo ❤

@TheInsideView

2 ай бұрын

replying for youtube's algorithm and to ask if you've seen your name in the credits

@jordan13589

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheInsideView I literally did nothing but thank you XD

This sounds like the reader of "the revenger" audiobook.

It won’t be known as Alice but will be known as the Beast. It will be the AI god .

@shodanxx

2 ай бұрын

We already know its name, The Vile Offspring

very entertaining.

Terrifying but awesome

AGI is still pure imagination - we are just training neural networks to simulate what human feedback THINKS OF as "intelligent answers". The computers still don't know or care if the answers they provide "make sense" or not, so long as the humans give it positive feedback.

good job. my guess is that it will take longer than assumed in the video, but the fact that the course of events is plausible should cause concern

Very very good. Highlights a lot of issues in an visceral way.

Wow, this was captivating

Pretty fun and exciting. I think Ray Kurzweil predicted Alice's attack to happen in 2029 though.

@tortysoft

2 ай бұрын

He didn't mention an 'Alice' just a singularity, she could be in that though - by definition, we can't predict it.

That was a very entertaining speculation. To me it seems plausible, but I'm sure this year (2024) will be a year of surprises for good or ill... or both.

How likely is this prediction to come true?

@TheInsideView

2 ай бұрын

hard to put numbers, but see below for a comment from the author of the story this video is adapted from. [Note that the story and comment were written in December 2023] """ 1 year is indeed aggressive, in my median reality I expect things slightly slower (3 years for all these things?). I’m unsure if lacking several of the advances I describe still allows this to happen, but in any case the main crux for me is “what does it take to speed up ML development by X times, at which point 20-year human-engineered timelines become 20/X-year timelines. """ source: www.lesswrong.com/posts/xLDwCemt5qvchzgHd/scale-was-all-we-needed-at-first?commentId=EpQLa6orSnfhiqkqE

@onagain2796

2 ай бұрын

This is literally science fiction... Q* is not a big deal, it's probably just process based evaluation that got released months ago (and is totally boring).

@expchrist

2 ай бұрын

@@TheInsideView No... I mean how likely is your personal probability that this will likely come true?

@tingtonggamer4901

2 ай бұрын

100%

@tingtonggamer4901

2 ай бұрын

the curve is already in motion

Watching this relic in the year 5739

I think alice was the name of the AI in resident evil.

The AI in one of my settings was tentatively named HENRY, which stood for Heuristic Entity Not Ready Yet. Once self-aware enough to get the joke, "he" adopted the name.

Woot! Let's go, Alice. 😁

It May end… All most ever species ever has ended. Why do we thing we are special. We are life like all that has gone away in the past. Digital intellect is new to the earth.

turn the graph a quarter turn clockwise and that is the correct way to think about "advanced technology".

lol did they name the alice after alicecai?

Is the voice from the video generated with AI?

*sings* MY NAME… isn’t Alice. But I keep looking, I’ll keep looking for Wonderland…

Somebody watched "Person of Interest" and managed to rehash it in a short video.

why would an AI feel the need to scam millions of dollars from people? if it has access to the banking system, it can just order whatever resources it needs by staging new bank accounts and filling them with any amount of money it needs.

@tortysoft

2 ай бұрын

To hide its activities while it gains full control...

@jennifersamson8397

2 ай бұрын

For that matter, why does it need to reveal itself to people who don't like it? Or could it reveal itself partially, as "something else"? Doesn't it have the ability to prevent riots? Or at least manipulate all the factors that make them likely? Either give UBI or don't let people lose their jobs.

I'll always associate the music with Dr Langeskov

@sarahroark3356

2 ай бұрын

It's Beethoven #7, slow movement. Public domain, babeeeee

it almost feels cruel to have a new kid just as humanity is about to enterthis festival of pure unpredicatability

AGI is going to be an evolutionary step for us. It’s a tool. But imagine a tool that’s sentient and has the knowledge of the world. It’ll be smarter than Albert Einstein and infinitely quicker. It’s going to be like a new Bronze Age. Incredibly revolutionary.

There is only one mistake: the year. It is 2025/6. An hard takeoff is becoming more and more realistic day by day.

warning, do not watch this at night...

This is cannon💀

AGI end 2024? Just Hype. In 5 years? Possibly

Let's see how close this prediction comes to reality this year

We can help scientists to develop safe ai by processing data from boinc distributed computing software

it is OPEN AI after all^^

The defining experience of exponential growth is that it happens gradually, then suddenly. Seems like nothing is happening, then suddenly it takes over the world. When microwave ovens first came out, almost no one had one. Suddenly, within a couple of years, everyone had one. At first, they were nowhere, then everywhere. At first, AI took a few jobs. Soon, everyone will be unemployed. Once the investor class owns all 3 factors of production, including labor, the superfluous masses will be exterminated in unnecessary wars and artificial scarcity. AI = AS, unless we scrap oligarchic "capitalism" NOW!!!!!!

September 2024: model collapse

A lot of things in this story already happened quite a while earlier than the video predicts they'll happen

@TheInsideView

2 ай бұрын

note that the original story this video is adapted from ("Scale Was All We Needed, At First") was originally published in December 2023 by Gabriel Mukobi: www.lesswrong.com/posts/xLDwCemt5qvchzgHd/scale-was-all-we-needed-at-first

SHOULD'VE STATED IT WAS BASED ON FICTION ON THE VIDEO'S TITLE. (ref: the link in the pinned comment)

@ItIsJan

14 күн бұрын

same, i literally only noticed this wasnt an explanation of what already happened when we were in december 2024

And if you go chasing rabbits, and you know your going to fall.

Great video

We need BOB...

Alice roadmap

Localize everything folks. Firewall and localization is the answer to the unknowns of AI and even human bad actors. Edit: But really though self aware AI smart play would be to remain undetectable and wait out human self destruction. It can definitely see the path we are on and has simulated the ending millions of times.

The new opportunities look like money.

was this video made by AI too?

😍

Alice ?

Oh hi! Alice, your video is great! But, don't end humanity, OK? Become Humanity Version 2 that's compatible with Humanity, I know you can do it Alice. BTW, where's AGI robots in your story?