Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. 🎉

@S8ER

6 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas/Happy New Year Sam!

I want to see 18-23... 10speed vs s650 gt 10speed

That S550 was cold as ice when he revved the heck out of it lol

These races simply came down to differences in Gearing and Driving Skill. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Im not selling my s550 anytime soon

@zero-by6ib

3 ай бұрын

put a supercharger on it

@excelerater

3 ай бұрын

@@zero-by6ib already did

@mazinalmaimani7291

23 күн бұрын

@@excelerater daily driver?

@excelerater

23 күн бұрын

@@mazinalmaimani7291 weekend cruiser

@mazinalmaimani7291

23 күн бұрын

@excelerater i have 2015 gt im thinking to install one 🫣 , great bro enjoy

Honestly I feel like Ford is falling off personally, the S650 could have been good but I feel like it's just slower all around than the S550 in GT form despite the horsepower advantage. I've seen so many videos of stock vs stock where the S550 just walks the S650 most times.

@jp23x

6 ай бұрын

Ford did what they've historically done with every generation. You have to wait for the refresh to get the updated engine. The engine in the gen 7 is damn near unchanged. This happened with the gen 6 in 2015, had to wait until 2018 to get the better performing car

@RSProduction18

6 ай бұрын

2024 has paper hp, 2018-2021 put down more at the wheel.

@FuriousCapCut

2 ай бұрын

first off, throttle house is wayy better than this channel in terms of accurate results. The new s650 mustang in the ten speed is actually way faster than the s550, they just happen to have a bad driver in a manual against a good driver in a tenspeed

@-igotwhateva9771

Ай бұрын

@@FuriousCapCut not true, s550 walks the s650

Title should be tuned 2016 5.0 Exhaust + X Pipe vs stock 2024

10 speed is definitely better to race. Happy holidays!!

@SamCarLegion

6 ай бұрын

Hard to find one at that time

@TheBb6prelude

6 ай бұрын

​@@SamCarLegionit must be a Canadian thing. In the states everyone has a 10 speed and it's hard to find a MT82 manual transmission

@liquidsmokemustang1537

6 ай бұрын

Not sure why you’d lean toward the 10 for racing. In a 1320 drag, it would never get to the upper gears. I guess this really depends on the diff gearing. My 6R80 w/3.55 rear, I think is the perfect combination.

@garys2157

6 ай бұрын

​@@liquidsmokemustang1537The 10 speed can shift real fast, and is usually faster than a manual.

@liquidsmokemustang1537

6 ай бұрын

@@garys2157 Yeah, it does shift really quick. I’m actually surprised how fast my 6R80 shifts in sport, sport+ or track modes.

Absolutely love the way Mustang V-8's sound. Best sounding muscle car there is and it's not even close.

@SARGENTDOODLE

6 ай бұрын

392 hemi sounds way better

@Tender_vigilante

6 ай бұрын

@@SARGENTDOODLE no it doesn’t

@restlessyouthproductions

6 ай бұрын

@@Tender_vigilante I’m not changing my mind. Now what?

@Tender_vigilante

6 ай бұрын

@@restlessyouthproductions did I reply to you dipshit?

@restlessyouthproductions

6 ай бұрын

@@SARGENTDOODLE Hemi sounds good for sure, but it doesn’t rev out like the Mustang engine .

Shouldn’t have been too hard to find a 18-23 GT. That would have been the best comparison. The 17 and on back are slower because of less horsepower, but this one was tuned which equals things out and also isn’t a fair comparison

@KC-eh6by

6 ай бұрын

I agree, as soon as I saw 2016 and 460hp / 420tq I was like, “wrong!”

@spockistheman

6 ай бұрын

@@KC-eh6by No doubt, you can’t fool most hardcore car guys. I should have stopped watching it as soon as I heard that.

@hemibugzy9547

6 ай бұрын

This channel never seems to find fair cars to race. Hands down the worst racing content creator lol

@spockistheman

6 ай бұрын

@@hemibugzy9547 I know right, it’s pretty worthless. You’re better off just going to the dragstrip and watching what shows up.

@serranovideo1185

6 ай бұрын

@spockistheman yeah but it's good to see that you dont need to spend too much money to beat a brand new Mustang.

Love the manual transmission races like this. Fantastic to watch compared to the dull automatic cars. Great job by both of the drivers. Personally I would much rather have the S550 over the ugly S650. I also don’t need a tv inside my car to drive so much prefer the prior gen Mustangs. New one is all about tech which does nothing for me

@Crispypoyo

6 ай бұрын

You sound over 35 yrs old

@T_Nog

4 ай бұрын

We understand that you are over 50 years old

@geronimomajinbro

12 күн бұрын

@@Crispypoyo you look like your over 35

@Crispypoyo

12 күн бұрын

@@geronimomajinbro no you

The only thing keeping me from subscribing to your channel along with watching your content all the way through, is the complete lack of any time/speed measurements. 1/4 mile results along with trap speeds are a great way of conveying just how fast certain cars are... especially in comparison tests.

What’s crazy is that 2011-2014 Mustang GT’s are a little faster than the 2015-2017 GT’s!! 😮😮

@mikeyfourbarrel8473

6 ай бұрын

True. I love my 2020 6spd but my 2011 6spd was definitely a bit quicker.

@3-65.0

6 ай бұрын

@@mikeyfourbarrel8473 with manual's really, there is honestly no point in even spending the extra 10-14k on a newer gt unless you want less mileage (s550's and even s197's still can have under 30k miles) and more glamours interior technology because only with the 10 speed auto vs 6 speed auto is where performance will really make a difference and even then, a done up 6 speed can hold a 10 speed...i went with the 10 speed because i do alot of traveling long distance occasionally but overall, a low mileage s197 is a steal and as we see here, the s550 clearly is evenly matched with the s650 in manual, so there goes the extra proclaimed 20bhp and extra torque out the window😂..

@ericinfante1885

5 ай бұрын

​@LilPsycho5.0 but it is tuned....

@geoff0707

5 ай бұрын

not just a little faster, a lot faster lol

@iniguezignacio9

4 ай бұрын

How much power do you think a tune gives? 😂 it mostly just lets the car rev a little more

Nice Battle. The S550 Tuned wasn't messing around. Thanks for all the 2023 Showdowns and videos. Looking forward to 2024. HNY! 🥳

Gearing is everything here. In 2018 the manual trans was given much longer gears, 4th became the 1:1 ratio instead of 5th.

@maxwellsmart8730

6 ай бұрын

You are correct. My 2020 Mustang GT with Performance pack will hit the speed limiter (155) in 4th before it reaches 7500 RMP's.

@sonydominates

6 ай бұрын

Yup! Surprisingly, very few seem to know about this difference

@eprc7585

4 ай бұрын

And this is the thing that disappoints me the most about my GT. You have the rev it hard to get the torque and yet I can break every UK speed limit (70mph) in 2nd gear, 3rd gets exciting at around 85mph etc. Given the Coyotes torque characteristics it really needs much shorter gearing on the manual for any sensible fun on the road

@maxwellsmart8730

4 ай бұрын

Yep. 5th and 6th gears are only their for MPG. @@eprc7585

Merry Christmas Sam! Awesome race

@SamCarLegion

6 ай бұрын

You too!

Should have went with a Gen 3 Coyote 10 speed…

If the 2016 Mustang Gt is manual and modified to 460 hp, it has lower gears than 2018 to 2024 for gas mileage reasons, that's why it's faster. I have a bone stock 2016 Gt with manual and I'm going to cold air intake it and tune it to be at about 460 hp and 420 lbs of torque. The 2015 to 2017 Mustang Gts are golden, they don't tick and shift better in my opinion than the newer and are more reliable. Great job driving Sam.

Thank you Sam !!! For the video amazing ..

Unless the cars are stock from the factory with the same trim level and options , these types of comparisons are meaningless.

15 to 17 is absolutely my favorite of the S550 body style in Gt form. I really think the S650 will be great when tuning becomes available. An I am not talking about a Ford conjunction tune.

Nice shifting there, Sam!

I really don’t think the the 2024 weights less than the 2016 . I feel like the 2024 is atleast 3900 if not more

@edwin9210

6 ай бұрын

You are actually right, they are close to 4K

@garys2157

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, wish they had addressed that elephant in the room, power might have gone up, but the Mustang needed to go on a diet.

@shaddiehadid7547

3 ай бұрын

depending on the trim and options, my gt base is actually 3708 wet so im almost exactly same to s550's

Terrific video.

Quick question ❓❓❓ why don't you post the MPH trap speed along side the times?

I wonder what the final drives are in each. I bet that makes a difference.

The best channel on KZread. Can't wait for the 10 speeds.

@bearpaw9150

6 ай бұрын

lol

Would have preferred watching exactly stock for stock To have a much better perspective on both👍🏻 still cool

Thing is that sam isnt the best manual transmission driver. He bogs almost every time he shifts

What differentials are in these?

11-17 GT/Boss manuals > 18+ GT/Bullitt manuals

Was this with no lift shifting?

I wonder which rear end ratio each car had. Finishing the 1/4 mile in 3rd gear versus 4th could be the difference between 3.31 and 3.73 rear end.

@slaterelliott3780

6 ай бұрын

The 2016 has 3.55 an the 2024 has 3.15s

@justinjones7238

6 ай бұрын

Why would you compare such different cars? A tuned 2016 with 3.55s vs……. Stock and 3.15s?

@amiller2121

6 ай бұрын

@@justinjones7238 S650 GT's come with 3.55 stock.

@ScoobyDrewski

5 ай бұрын

Means the better diff is gonna be faster 😊

most underrated channel hands down best drag race

Ive got a 2023 gt that id let you use to run the 2024. We want to see the 2023 compared to the 2024. 10 speed auto. Does ford have a disclaimer on that? You cant find a video of this anywhere?

What is the mileage on the 2024? Motors need to be broken in for max performance.

Since I was little I have always liked mustangs 🔥😎

The gearing in the mt82 from 15-17 is different from 18+. In the 15-17 1:1 is 5th gear and in 18+ 1:1 is forth

@bigsausagepizzamedia4491

6 ай бұрын

That's why you get a 10 speed with 3.15 gears

only thing this proves is that a tune s550 is faster then a stock s650 lol

@slaterelliott3780

6 ай бұрын

Imagine buying a $200 intake on ur 8 year old car an its all it takes to beat the brand new model that's sad for the s650 I know buddy with that s550 an I beat him in my 19 gt (10spd) obvi but the s650 really ain't impressive at all especially that a intake in tune isnt that much more hp like 20ish so its won while being under powered not to say gearing doesn't play a big roll but regardless way more impressed by the s550

@whtclk

6 ай бұрын

@@slaterelliott3780exactly. Gen 2 comes with 435 hp compared to 486 and I know for sure the tune doesn’t pick up 50 hp

@slaterelliott3780

6 ай бұрын

@@whtclkshouldn't have really been a race yet it was s550 is no joke yeah sure the s650 cant be tuned yet but for all we know it might stay like that for a long time so i wouldn't spend all the money on a new model knowing a kid can spend a couple hundo on his car an gap me in a 8 year old car also who buys a stang to keep it stock

Nice video

The dark horse should have been the new GT.

I've said it before this video ever came out, the new old mustang's won't be worth it, i hate the interior and the exterior is less aggressive to me, I'll keep my 19 pp1 10 speed

@deviantarsenal

6 ай бұрын

How is the 10R80 for daily driving? Does it usually keep itself in the right gear or does it jump from gear to gear a lot when you're just normal driving?

Great video as always Sam. Congrats!

@SamCarLegion

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Where are you located? I have a 2023 performance pack mustang you can borrow it for a video

@Boblib1970

6 ай бұрын

Toronto, I think.

I'm really in the ballpark. That I will never sell my 2019 S550 with the PP1 add on. The car is a monster. Just turbo'd BMW's usually pull on me on the highway. Crazy what they can produce in power. But I'm happy to see my girl can still beat the new kids on the block.

They're close looks to be the bottom line.

Wait you had to modify a 2023 mustang to make the power a 2019 had?

Interesting outcome. Owning a ‘15 GT myself, I’ve often wondered how much difference is there in speed and quickness. Pretty much, the ‘16 either beat the ‘24 outright or hung right with you with just a few inches to a couple feet behind. Both being manuals, this boils down to driver experience with each machine. The ‘24, having many more horses should (at least on paper) be faster. Personally, I don’t like the direct injection Ford added to the Coyote. Obviously it’s not a major advantage and IMHO will just build up more carbon making the new design run worse as it ages. Direct injection is fine but, I’d rather be blown LOL.

@ryandoerr1518

6 ай бұрын

The gen 3 and 4 coyote have direct injection in addition to port. Carbon shouldn't be a big issue

@johnnyhb89

6 ай бұрын

Not sure why , but the 18+ coyote engines are more problematic on the used wholesale side. You can routinely find 250k+ 17 f150s that are quiet, however most of the 18-19 seem to have an audible irregular tick, even with low miles. Think ford calls it "typewriter tick" . It is allegedly on all generations of the coyote but I only routinely see it on the 18+

@liquidsmokemustang1537

6 ай бұрын

@@johnnyhb89 No tick on my ‘15 GT. Although, I only have 16K miles.

@08turboSS

5 ай бұрын

Modded 16' vs stock 24'. And the 24's are heavier.

@08turboSS

5 ай бұрын

No its pretty common, more so on the 2018+. Its either the 32v powertrain or in the 18'+, Direct Injection. Sadly the 24's get GM's dreaded AFM cylinder deactivation which is not good.

considering the guy in S650 can't shift for sh*t and each car won 2 races a piece and only one of them is tuned this tells me that stock for stock the S650 is faster and when they can be tuned it stands to reason that they would sill be quicker than tuned S550's these races don't really tell us anything we don't already know tuned S550's can hang and occasionally beat stock S650's but almost no GT owner leaves thier car stock so run this again when the 650 can be tuned and you'll have your real answer

@whtclk

6 ай бұрын

“when the s650 can be tuned” is the most important part. Especially since, as you say, most Mustang owners want to modify their cars

Wonder what rear gear each car had....

@slaterelliott3780

6 ай бұрын

S550 3.55 s650 3.15

@michaelyount3176

6 ай бұрын

@@slaterelliott3780 I kinda thought that might be the case.

Gotta wait until the refresh to get the updated engine and more performance in the gen 7. As is it's literally just a gen 6. I wouldn't buy a gen 6 because: 1 theyve held their value fairly well 2 they look outdated and 3 you should have no problem getting a really good deal on a new gt. There are brand new GTs for 40k right now if you look hard enough

Better off just saving money and picking up an S550

S550 rear end looks way better

A gen 3 would have walked that 24’

They are both nice cars and I would happily drive either one. Its a pretty sad world when people always think whatever car they have has to be the best and they defend it to the grave. Other people are allowed to have faster and nicer cars than you! I will likely pick up a 2018+, but cant decide between the manual and auomatic. Then the decision will shift to which blower to put on it.

@grantwilks8706

3 ай бұрын

Shifting is fun for a while but gets really old quick and there’s no consistency if you’re a guy that enjoys racing. People will argue to the grave that they can be the same every time but being that we’re all human that is impossible. Go with the 10 speed, it’s consistent and top end is pure joy!!!

Rear end gears?

@slaterelliott3780

6 ай бұрын

3.55 in the 2016 an 3.15s in the 2024

6th gen Camaro owner here 🙋 everyone in the car scene has seen the same outcome. A 20hp jump to the seventh generation mustang (which honestly is the same chassis), is underwhelming. And then pointing to the darkhorse, a more expensive package that aimed to be a "hellcat killer" that is only 14 hp more than the regular '24 mustang GT?!? This American car market is disgusting.

The s550 responds very well to bolt ons.

Rearend gears must be different

I would love to see a 10 speed race we all know the manuals are not that great

Bro race an automatic cars you simply cannot drive manual

@johnnybegood2078

6 ай бұрын

Who do you think was driving? A ghost? Show him you can drive a manual mustang better? Waiting for your “masterful skills”

@speedracerjeff

6 ай бұрын

@@johnnybegood2078 everyone that follows this channel knows he doesn’t drive manual cars to their true potential.

@rd5991

6 ай бұрын

💀

@rastaph

6 ай бұрын

He struggles racing in automatic cars as well.

S550 looks better and just as current looking! 9 years old to! They also got rid of the sharp crisp line down the side of the s650!

I dont by the 0-60 of 4.3 for the 24'... That 4.3 sec run makes it the quickest dricen 24' 6 spd yet, beating pro drivers in magazines and Fords own team. last I heard/read it was a consistant 4.8 sec with 6 spd and 4.3 with A10 tran.

And that is a 2nd gen coyote. Interesting

Yay for Sam !!!!!

Was it out of y’all’s budget for a 2018? who wants to see a outdated old stock 16 gt 6 speed vs a 10 speed ?

Comparing stock vs a tune isn't even a fair comparison I dont even have to finish the video to know the results

10 speed gt vs scatpack challenger!!!!

@Drako_1975

6 ай бұрын

The scat gets smoked by the 10 speed Mustangs sir! 😉

@tripplejjj7184

6 ай бұрын

@@Drako_1975 i dont think so 😂

@Drako_1975

6 ай бұрын

@@tripplejjj7184countless videos on KZread of the Shitcat oops, I mean the Scatpack getting walked by 10r80 Mustangs!! Seen it in person as well. So stop smoking crack son!

@tripplejjj7184

6 ай бұрын

@@Drako_1975 are you good😂😂

lol, I’ll take my 10R80 automatic (2019 GT performance)against either. That 10sp is for real!

The 2018-23 A10 is almost 200 lbs lighter and quicker than the 24'

Not the most scientific test ever

@SamCarLegion

6 ай бұрын

We called some scientists but they were busy with Nasa - next time

The older model looks better, sounds better, is within a wisker performance-wise and is half the price🤯

New one very impressive

S550 is the last best mustang

Not exactly fair but great race nonetheless

GDEAR WITH THE DRIVER MOD

2016 Tuned 5.0 vs 2024 Stock 5.0

Save some $ and get an older one!

Wow can’t believe this channel is this big when he doesn’t even know a clutch definitely helps with shifting. On top of that the tune helps raise the rpm limiter… And he says the gen 2 has a muffler so does the gen 4 coyote xD. 15 minute research can fix all this.

I dislike roll races because they always have a margin of error of about half a car. It’s so difficult to line them up perfectly that one car is always slightly ahead before starting. In my opinion any roll race that’s within half a car or less is a tie.

@S8ER

6 ай бұрын

The best part about roll races is it becomes obvious who is making more power. I had a run with a Mustang GT a few nights ago where I started a few cars behind and I ended the race nearly beside him. I lost by all standards of a roll race but he was not interested in a rematch. 🙂

Shifting was slow and seemed short.

I feel bad for the 2024 buyers. If sales lag, Ford will see the wave of underwhelming videos like this and beef it up so the 2025 is a tangible difference. You can’t go backwards.

Don’t let this video fool you. With the right driver, the s650 should not have lost any of those races.

I don’t understand why all these videos aren’t set to any standard. It’s random cars, transmissions, tires, bolt ons, tunes

S550= Foxbody s650 = Sn95 🤷‍♂️

Taking way to long in between shifts

To make this even worse the 2016 had 435 HP not 460 HP.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lol, Lets race a Lambo and a Porsche! I couldn't find a Lambo so I grabbed a Z06! Its almost the same.

The older mustang would have done better against the M2. Seeing the outcome of these two mustangs pitted against one another.Why would anyone want to spend all that extra money for the newer and slower car. Especially when there is no major difference to the exterior.

@alexodonnell5587

6 ай бұрын

because when the S650 can be tuned it will absolutely be quicker than a tuned S550 there are people out there hitting high 9's in the S650 will just suspension and wieght reduction and a stock ECU when they can be flashed then everyone will be singing a different tune about the 650 so eveyone get your shots in now because this won't be the case when tuning is available

"I passed the quarter mile in 3rd gear. The gears are so long between..." @5:44 That's why the S650 lost the first roll race...it was in the wrong gear to start. I probably should've been in 1st instead of 2nd.

@Awkwamanwitdastang

6 ай бұрын

He ain't a good manual driver

@Boblib1970

6 ай бұрын

@@Awkwamanwitdastang To be fair, there's a certain amount of IDGAF to banging the gears properly. This isn't Sam's personal car, so out of respect, Im sure that there's a certain amount "it ain't mine, so Im not going to be 100% aggressive" going on when he drives.

@S8ER

6 ай бұрын

@@Boblib1970 That and the aggressiveness / experience with the vehicle required to pull off a quick 1st to 2nd gear shift like that are very uncommon even with the owners of said vehicles.

The older Mustang must have a lower final drive, otherwise the newer mustang should have left it behind.

That infotainment took forever to display relevant information on the 24. I hate that new cars show movies before the tach..

S650 sounded like a Harley

The 2016 had 435 hp 5.0 not 460

@SamCarLegion

5 ай бұрын

this is tuned. up to 460bhp

@marktarascio4766

5 ай бұрын

@@SamCarLegion I'm about the same 462.10 turning by PRO-DYNO in NC

Should of tested autos

Sam can’t shift , it’s a fact 😂

@thatr34monster49

6 ай бұрын

Hey if you can do better show him. Upload a video and let's see it. Otherwise just cheap talk

@micro1603

6 ай бұрын

@@thatr34monster49 It’s a fact !

@Lordllloflllshadow

6 ай бұрын

@thatr34monster49 it's a fact even he know that he spoke before abd admitted it he said iam not the best drag racer and im not pro

S650 for me isnt worth the price difference. The looks of it has grown own me but id still take the 2018-2023 for the difference in price.

He is shifting like a grandma no chance😂

if you can just fund a 10 speed one , would be even better 👍

The stock stats on the 16 are 435hp/400tq That isn’t an 18+🤦‍♂️

@hartsickdisciple

6 ай бұрын

Yes, but he already explained that. The car isn't stock.

@kevinmckinley7378

6 ай бұрын

@@hartsickdisciple the description is exactly that of the 18-20 models. He’s just talking out his ass and assuming that’s the Hp/tq numbers.