Bmw doesn’t lie about horsepower figures, they just always forget to write wheel before hp.

@BeamerTime354

4 ай бұрын

That is such a true statement. I own a 22 x5M and all the mustangs and chargers around here won’t race me anymore 🤣.

That turned out EXACTLY as expected.

@mikeyinid

6 ай бұрын

Yea, he needs to work on his naming for videos.

@Mr.Helper.

4 ай бұрын

Dam … are bummers that much faster

@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags

27 күн бұрын

@@Mr.Helper. yes that’s the cheapest m car

Sam never seems to estimate the gap very well, it's always "about a car length" but even if he's using a cadillac from the 1960's to measure his car length it still doesn't compute.

@toddstevens8506

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's not a very well organized channel, but the matchups are interesting, which is why I watch it.

@cstraley

6 ай бұрын

Agree that 2 to 3 car lengths lol.

@motaz1975

6 ай бұрын

ya Sams version of a car length is a bus length anywhere else lol!

@eyesofadonai

6 ай бұрын

What about a box car?

"I was behind you by maybe a car" lol. That was at least 3 car lenghts.

@MrFpsdestroyer

6 ай бұрын

I said the same thing, I was like it was literally 3-3 1/2 cars lengths, I watch a lot of 1320 videos and I'm pretty damn close to what they call on their races

Mustang needs a driver mod. Dude shifts slower than a 70’s automatic

"Closer than you think" Really? It didn't look that way to me. It looked like the M2 convincingly trounced the Mustang. The M2 would've probably beaten the Dark Horse Mustang.

@cstraley

6 ай бұрын

The performance pack mustang and the darkhorse have a more aggressive 3.55 rear end for better results in races like this. This is a base GT.

@bobby3914

6 ай бұрын

Maybe the Buttstang driver needs glasses and needs to take his dumb dark sunglasses 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

@alexl.102

6 ай бұрын

1-2 car lengths is pretty close to me. They shouldve compared the m3 to the mustang.

@yagamikiralight8805

6 ай бұрын

Jason Cammisa has raced the M2 vs the dark Horse , the M2 just walked away from the mustang

@junitoss83

6 ай бұрын

Yes it would. People can’t stand to watch the beloved mustang get its ass kicked. The Mustang crowd is tough to deal with lol

He can't shift

As Jason Cammisa said, the M2 has a monster third gear. It just starts to walk the Mustang at that point.

Can't go wrong with any of these but damn that beamer smoked the stang.

@dannybeem7377

6 ай бұрын

That's spelled 'bimmer'

@ltsAnthony

6 ай бұрын

The mustang guy was trash at shifting wdym

@daviskalvans4304

6 ай бұрын

@@ltsAnthonythe M2 brutally pulled away even in the rolling races, shifting does not matter there anymore.

@msrr8151

5 ай бұрын

@@ltsAnthonyGod could come down to drive the GT and an M2 would still spank it.

@gigi651

2 ай бұрын

​@@ltsAnthony hagerty made a video of m2 smoking dark horse soo...

Went as expected

I thought it might be closer than this with the NA Mustang getting a slight jump at the beginning of each pull but the BMW literally has no lag. Amazing.

@jgaines3200

6 ай бұрын

There is a little lag but yes it does build boost pretty quickly as long as your at 3k rpm or higher.

@mholmes9262

6 ай бұрын

@@jgaines3200 They should include no-launch drag race to show how they perform in normal driving. LC is cool for bragging rights but if you use it all the time in daily driving you will a) look like a complete idiot and b) wear out your transmission a lot faster. That's why I chose c) Tesla M3P lol.

Really wish more channels would do just Autos vs Autos. This along with the Hagerty video has both m2 and mustang with manuals. I think the m2 would still edge out but an auto will test how well the car performs not how well the driver performs.

@frustratedmillennialz

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. There's just so much room for driver/operator error. As the old saying goes, the best mod is a driver mod. A better comparison would be if they switched cars every other test.

Great video as always

Damn that bimmer was gapping that stang big time!

Whould be interesting a race between current gen Mustang GT vs previous gen, both manual vs manual and auto vs auto.

@SamCarLegion

6 ай бұрын

Coming up

@Bimmer_Bill

6 ай бұрын

Yes

@javyramirez9734

6 ай бұрын

He sucks ar driving so doesn’t matter 2nd gear for 32 mph roll

Always a pleasure coming out and racing some American foes haha, great video! Cheers

The Ultimate Driving Machine.

@kevintran963

6 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppmtxo-wj7Kykag.html

@freddarau

4 ай бұрын

Ultimate heavy-weight champ, 3800lbs pos boat. Modern BMWs suck balls.

@deluxsound123

4 ай бұрын

mustangs are driven by flag waving american idiots. M2 ALL DAY!!@@freddarau

@40nine99

Ай бұрын

​@@freddaraureally 😂..cause those new beamers with the B58 beats a lot of those also heavy muscle cars

That m2 is so fast,it clearly put out way more power than advertised.

@johnwick5918

6 ай бұрын

On the add they said 460 hp but they didn’t what, but Tunner have found out it’s 460 wheel not crank

@WindyCity1992

6 ай бұрын

477.68 whp. Highest dyno ive seen

@alpe6228

6 ай бұрын

Its either that or that 5.0 doesnt put out the power Ford is claiming.Im leaning more towards the latter.@@johnwick5918

@2seep

6 ай бұрын

They put exactly as advertised. The difference is that bmw measures wheel horspower. All naturally aspirated cars measure bhp because their power outputs are low. They use it as a redemption.

@ITRIEDEL

6 ай бұрын

@@2seepBMW doesn’t measure WHP.

"I wasn't to far behind maybe about a car". Literally had him by 2-5 depending on the race.

The GT needs the performance package which bumps the rear diff gears from 3.27 to 3.73s. That's why the gears are so long in that GT.

@mattp3602

5 ай бұрын

Exactly and it would have been closer race.

@pjsanab

4 ай бұрын

the automatic transmision dark horse could have beaten the M2.

@Idk910

2 ай бұрын

@@pjsanab auto dark horse cost more than an M2... I priced both out as options on my next car for when I move back home to the US next year from my job in the UK (currently have a 2020 Audi RS Q3). M2 fully loaded was $76k and Dark Horse was $81k. The M2 is a million times better looking than the Dark Horse on the inside and gets a carbon roof.

@Koishishibaman

6 күн бұрын

Even with the 3.73 rear end the gears are too long. Not sure if they have changed the gears in the 24 cars My 2015 pp1 had short gears. Perfect! My 2019 Bullitt has super long gears. Not a good thing for drag racing. On a twisty road it does work . 2nd, and 3rd gears on the corners. Mine has magnaride with Ford racing m 9602 m suspension. Handles.

I'm not a major fan of the late model screen dash setups, can't see them aging well if any of these cars become classics. Seems like a lower ratio diff in the stang be better.

Mustang GT no progress since 2015. Just the different look.

BMW at it again with their underrated horsepower numbers. That M2 is over 500hp for sure. They rate the M8 competition at 617 hp, it weighs well over 2 tons and can run a 10.7 1/4 mile....617 hp, maybe at the wheels...lol.

Wow. The beamer kept walking throughout. I thought maybe the stang would creap up at higher speed. Didn't appear so. Neat cars. Both haul the mail.

“A car length” more a like a bus length 😂

Yea the s58 is just a monster plain and simple. The last of the greatest petrol engines ever potentially.

The M2 dust-tanged that Ford as expected.

the Mustang engine has power from 5000 - 7500 rpm, the BMW from 2500 - 7000 rpm and the BMW has more torque across the entire speed range and thats why the beamer wins.

@Eugen-E

6 ай бұрын

False. 1. BMW underrates their engines = it has more power than advertised. 2. The M2 in this video has aftermarket lighter wheels. 3. Mustang has longer gear ratios. 4. The M2 (officially) has 406lb-ft from 2650 up to 5870rpm and max power 453hp at 6250rpm. Only big diesel semi trucks have max power at 2000rpm. 5. When racing from a roll, the engine is in the high-rpm range, so the maximum torque (what happens under ~4500rpm) does not matter. Matters only the power between max and min rpm between shifts (like 5000-7000rpm). Higher power across the rev range is because of the higher torque in this rev range. :)

@alengreen589

6 ай бұрын

@@Eugen-E thank you

@brockdez1259

6 ай бұрын

Came here to say this 100%

@speeddemon311

6 ай бұрын

@@Eugen-E wrong my B58 makes full torque from 1520 rpm, and that's because it's a single twin scroll turbo setup!

@Eugen-E

6 ай бұрын

@@speeddemon311 No it does not )) go on a dyno and you'll see. The majority of stock 3.0L diesel passenger cars does not have full torque under 2000rpm. And he didn't even say torque. He said the power is from 2000rpm.

nice rims on that M2

Well for sure all M cars are 50 to 60 hp underrated. Seen stock numbers.

M2 also beats the dark horse by a bus length on Hagerty channel

The M-2 got more horsepower than 453Hp and torque for sure.

@walkemdown4127

6 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure they dyno at 460 to the wheels, super underrated. That’s more like 540 crank than 460 crank lol

@Ambient-Drive

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, BMW and Porsche always quote wheel HP

@wadysawsowinski9910

4 ай бұрын

As well as mustang got less hp than on papers for real. And this race is the proof.

id be curious to see how it went with a better manual driver on the stang

The better car from the better make won

Uff da that shifting...

I feel like a dad trying not to root for his favorite kid LOL. I have a soft spot for both of these vehicles.

Nothing like a pure classic manual drag race 👌🏿 absolutely lovely this 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

@georgestam1710

6 ай бұрын

Love the fact that you are black, and also use black emoticons 😂😂😂

1 Canadian car length = 3 US car length

Dang. I'm a BMW guy with a X3M with the same S58 and a F82 M4 and I'm still shocked. Thought this woulda been a little closer lol. Great match up though.

Yo, you can’t compare this 2 cars, they are different in all aspects. I love Bms and I own Mustang Gt. These are completely different rides guys. At the end of the day every product will find its customer. ✌🏽

Mustang never stood a chance. The M2 hp rating is what it makes to the wheels. At the crank it’s making well over 500 horsepower easily. Based on the dynos on the M2 even if you gave it only 10% drive train loss it still puts it over 500 hp.

Makes sense Ford over rates HP, BMW under rates HP

Nice match up

That guy with the m2 I think they have a tuned s4. You should definitely do some videos with that car seems super dope!

Fords are lucky to get what Ford rates them at, even their trucks. BMW, on the other hand publishes wheel horsepower as crank, so that M2 is closer to 440hp.

For the love of god can we see the cars going down the strip instead of a few seconds of take off, it just feel like I’m watching the grass and trees out the side window instead of the cars 😂

They both shift so slow 😢😅

@frustratedmillennialz

6 ай бұрын

Bro I'm saying...the lurching on the GT was soooo obvious from the outside perspective...

I love mustangs and I also love BMWs. With that being said I don’t think people are giving the mustang enough credit. A base 5.0 is around 40-43k and a base m2 is around 63-65k. The fact there is a 20k difference and mustang is close is pretty impressive in my book.

Why don’t you switch drivers as well because you’re driving manuals. It would help solidify the results further. Because I promise you if you put a professional or someone who knows how to shift, it wouldn’t matter which car they were in, they’d win.

Looks wise I’ll take the Mustang any day also sooo much sounds better

@Bernardjoon

6 ай бұрын

The interior just doesnt fit it idk why

@Dayz3O6

5 ай бұрын

alot of hooligans in US love to drive that car.

It’s not the car it’s the driver 😊

@thatr34monster49

6 ай бұрын

Of course it is 😂😂😂 make more excuses 😂😂😂

@speeddemon311

6 ай бұрын

Cope harder!😄

The g87 is a beast. Check out Hagerty. Where they put up the M2 versus Dark horse and Supra and the lotus Emira. M2 smoked them all.

As expected

@donnysmith7162

6 ай бұрын

The automatic mustang is one second faster, so it would absolutely blow the BMW out of the way as you don’t expect

@yanick8633

6 ай бұрын

And an automatic M2 would smash the mustang. What's your point?@@donnysmith7162

Granny shifting the mustang a bit. Lol

Just my two cents. In the beginning I wouldve placed the specs above the respective cars instead of flipped.

Being the same weight as an M2 is criminal

Should have started in 1st gear on the low speed run and pro6on the 2nd roll as well.

Ford says it is 486 hp but on the dynos it is 398hp

@SamCarLegion

6 ай бұрын

Of course

@kel2024

6 ай бұрын

486 = flywheel horsepower, which is how most/all manufacturers list power. 18% drivetrain loss = 398 wheel HP… so their listing is dead on. BMW is known for doing the opposite and listing wheel HP so it appears unusually fast “for the power” since people assume it’s less. At the end of the day 2 car lengths each race is the diffference in gearing and weight. Let’s put the base mustang against a regular 2 or 3 series (non M) and see the difference. Good race Sam, and good shifting.

@S8ER

6 ай бұрын

@@SamCarLegionthe KZread crowd is full of scholars who think BHP is somehow measured on a Dynamometer. 😂 😂

I'd like to see this m2 and a fully stock m2. I want to see the difference. Thanks

What is the weight of both cars ?

Sorry ford BMW is fast

I know the purists will hate this, but don’t get the 6MT Stang for racing, 10A all the way…much better performing

"It's a fair-ish race." The M2 has an S58 motor... it is not a fair race.

I didn’t think this would be close…

Always loved the Mustang but that little M2 is a rocket.

One thing I noticed, on the rolls the bmw was already giving it some gas before the cones

bro really wanted to sell us this gt because now he regrets the dark horse order. lol

Bmw❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

That mustang needs a 4.09 diff gear to have a chance, or FI. and that will be my next mod! Gearing is everything!supension also helps, you can see the shifts on the mustang, lol. Thanks Sam!

The dark house put up a better fight in another review when the bmw m2 was 12.2 seconds and the dark horse was 12.5 seconds.

It's amazing hope the M2 just pulls away. That car is fast.

Mustang Gt is like Superman. Its the American hero who somehow always gets beaten by the bad guys in almost every cartoon series.

Didn't look that close

Looked like someone was holding back.

Hmm I just watched the Alfa Gulia vs zl1 and it was 11.9vs 11.6 and they were only a 2 cars difference. And this is .2 difference and they aren't in the same frame together? Seems strange, but I guess the camera is closer hn this video..

The result was obvious before the video)

Hope race with M2 8AT gear (not 6MT) due to advantage of very fast shift change.

Whoa! That M2 was moving. Great showdown and thanks for Boosting my Day. 🚀

Hmm were shifts clean in the mustang? Everytime he shifted the m2 jumped ahead. Anyway we gotta wait for the gen 7 refresh to see any improvement over the gen 6

@christianxc98

6 ай бұрын

Yea auto would’ve been better shifts were bad I noticed it in both races as soon as he’d shift he’d lose a lot of space against the m2

@jp23x

6 ай бұрын

yea the car bogged big time on every shift. i thought it should have been a closer race@@christianxc98

@patc8653

6 ай бұрын

Jason Camisma did a video of the Dark Horse 6MT vs the M2 6MT.. the Dark Horse got gapped. So the Mustang GT even with perfect shifts wouldn't do so well.. M2 is just faster.

@jp23x

6 ай бұрын

hm i saw that video, now i remember being disappointed with the dark horse. I don't remember the shifts being bad though. Maybe the outcome would have been the same as you say@@patc8653

@mattjones1378

6 ай бұрын

Needs a driver mod. Put derek baran productions or ydbt in the driver seat.

I believe this could’ve been set up better. The mustang is a base without a pp. pp has a much better rear end gear for pick up. This is clearly a short rear end meant more for highway driving. Should’ve had a pp mustang to make this a fairer fight

Wow the M2 absolutely mullered the Mustang

LOL @ thinking the Dark Horse would beat a G87 M2! They're not even close in a straight line.

Cars now a days need turbos to win clearly. Can’t just have an engine. Always an add on. If the mustang had a turbo or super charger that thing is gone

The stats are cr*p. Mustang GT was recently weighed at 4025 lbs by Caranddriver while the BMW M2 was weighed at 3900 lbs in a recent test

Need to put someone in the Mustang that can drive. You changed the gears like you were on a Sunday drive. You only floored the Mustang a couple times. Also you never should let off the gas when shifting gears.

That depends upon what you thought.

No matter how you drive it the M2 is a better car on the street and track.

That wasn't close at all.

With All respect you need a class of shifting my friend 😂😂😂😂 no offense just a fact 🥴🤪👍

@thatr34monster49

6 ай бұрын

Blaha blahh blahh take like a man mustang got walked 😂

@christianxc98

6 ай бұрын

@@thatr34monster49you can literally see every time he shifts the mustang loses so much space moron open your eyes and quit being ignorant

But if you own the BMW you have to listen to a Hoover Vacuum all day.

You need to do the automatics to take the human out of the equation a little more

@jgaines3200

6 ай бұрын

I think the M2 would just gap it even more.

@mototodd

6 ай бұрын

@@jgaines3200probably. I had a m340i and now a mustang GT. Even though on paper the 0-60 is the same I would choose the m340i in a street race because with the x drive and launch control it will launch perfectly every single time. Now you put a drag radial on the mustang and go to the track and it’s another story.

Everytime the mustang shift it looks like it's money shifting 😂

Think you shifted a little early my guy. suggestion that you power shift the Stang

I would like to see M2 vs the Corvette

I don't see what sam see but i see at least a 3 car gap thats huge sounds somewhat mustang bias but thats no where near a car gap on the roll races

the S58 is like a bully to all cars .

Came out just like I thought it would. I do have to wonder why anyone would drag race with a manual transmission.

20lb difference is crazy I thought the M2 would’ve been a lot lighter then the mustang. But of course the M2 wins

Would love to see how the nismo version of the z does against these 2 if all had auto versions for no driver error issues.

@walkemdown4127

6 ай бұрын

Honestly it’d get gapped. At least by the M2, they’re massively underrated as per usual from BMW & are actually making ~460 wheel stock. The 5.0’s making ~400 whp, & the Nismo Z is probably making high 300’s, low 400’s to the wheels I’d imagine

@patc8653

6 ай бұрын

100% confident the Nismo has no chance against the M2 especially with its slow shifting Automatic. Might have a closer race with manual but I'm certain the Nismo will get gapped as well.

@mikedenkinger9570

6 ай бұрын

That new Z would get beaten by an M240i as well.😊

@onealc9278

6 ай бұрын

Have you seen the new Z win a race?

@gregogreg100

6 ай бұрын

I ask because he did the regular z vs. Mustang, it kept up(kinda). I'm curious to see if the small bump in power from the nizmo could pull it ahead of the Mustang.

The Dark Horse would have been a more head to head price point wise. But even that’s for a poorly equipped M2. The reality is the M2 will spend many more days at the dealership shop. That’s just how beamers are. Nice new but a headache for the owner.