2024 Hyundai Kona electric (inc. 0-100 & braking) review

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Hyundai has overhauled the Kona EV to offer more space and a better electric drivetrain. But are the changes enough to consider buying one? Paul Maric test drives the 2024 Hyundai Kona electric to see if it’s any good.
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Intro: 00:00
Exterior: 01:18
Interior: 03:08
On the Road: 07:43
Performance: 14:55
Verdict: 17:17
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  • @agnai191
    @agnai191Ай бұрын

    The fact that you have to switch off multiple "safety" systems every time you drive it is completely unacceptable. What is Hyundai thinking!?

  • @darrenrogers4976

    @darrenrogers4976

    Ай бұрын

    It's not a Hyundai thing. They are just the first ones bringing new cars to market with the safety systems. You'll see every brand bring this stuff out soon enough.

  • @BlixBCR

    @BlixBCR

    Ай бұрын

    This isn't really their fault - correct me if I am wrong but I think due to ANCAP, these safety features need to automatically be enabled whenever the car is restarted.

  • @nickwills6042

    @nickwills6042

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@BlixBCR That's definitely true for EuroNCAP and cars in Europe. As far as I know it hasn't reached the USA or Australia *yet*

  • @Greggie_D

    @Greggie_D

    Ай бұрын

    They’re pathetic, more of a distraction, especially when it reads speed signs wrong. Bought a Mazda where you can turn it off permanently. Saved $30,000 over this thing too.

  • @stevendufour

    @stevendufour

    Ай бұрын

    It’s a new EU safety law. EVERY new car will be fitted with this acoustic safety system.

  • @martiniwanderi719
    @martiniwanderi719Ай бұрын

    Any news on the my24 Sonata n line review?

  • @fabianchow512
    @fabianchow512Ай бұрын

    Paul any chance you could recommend a similar sine wave section of road around Sydney ... I'd love to see how my current car handles it ...

  • @AdamIndikt
    @AdamIndiktАй бұрын

    $70k. Madness.

  • @aikz5

    @aikz5

    Ай бұрын

    People have too much money in Australia. TBH it shouldn’t be more than $40k

  • @ev0wat

    @ev0wat

    Ай бұрын

    @@aikz5 agree, being a ev throw away with all the headaches ahead with just trying to get chargers etc and no resale value I wouldn’t pay more than 30k and then throw it away when the battery dies and stops holding charge.

  • @gertsy2000

    @gertsy2000

    Ай бұрын

    $75k Drive Away.

  • @smiddysmidton8313

    @smiddysmidton8313

    27 күн бұрын

    $70k for a disposable hyundai runabout. What a time to be alive.

  • @Blueeey

    @Blueeey

    23 күн бұрын

    Its 55k drive away rn

  • @galooney1
    @galooney1Ай бұрын

    What's the back seat space compared to the ev5!?. I got 3 baby seats too squeeze

  • @des4719
    @des4719Ай бұрын

    If you accept the terms and conditions on that infotainment system it tells you that you are allowing geofencing. Is this really something that you wanna go for?

  • @Emptyheads.
    @Emptyheads.Ай бұрын

    55 for Hyundai small car. Talk about price gouging.

  • @IsaacLoven
    @IsaacLovenАй бұрын

    The side creases makes it look like a second car stuck on-top of another. Same designers as the pontiac aztek?

  • @JetBMWtube6972
    @JetBMWtube6972Ай бұрын

    Why do Hyundai keep putting indicators on the lower part of their cars? In stop start traffic, they are sometimes not visible for cars that are following.

  • @shannonrussell7151

    @shannonrussell7151

    Ай бұрын

    Why are you following so closely? If you keep the gap required by law, then there isn't an issue.

  • @JetBMWtube6972

    @JetBMWtube6972

    Ай бұрын

    @@shannonrussell7151 I agree. Issue is when stopped at traffic lights… also even small SUVs these days have very tall big bonets limiting visibility of bottoms of cars in front, at close proximity.

  • @shannonrussell7151

    @shannonrussell7151

    Ай бұрын

    @@JetBMWtube6972 You can always see the indicators flashing from their side mirrors.

  • @tastyorange

    @tastyorange

    27 күн бұрын

    So they can get busted more easily in parking or city traffic mishaps and make you spend more money.

  • @teagueman100
    @teagueman1007 күн бұрын

    The exterior and interior look very sexy and futuristic. I love all the features like V2L and such. The price tag however is madness.

  • @Whocares17032
    @Whocares17032Ай бұрын

    You don’t think it competes with the MG4?

  • @mou3254
    @mou3254Ай бұрын

    to think that you could buy a full spec e-force xtrail for less money is crazy

  • @user-bq2dy8bb1e
    @user-bq2dy8bb1eАй бұрын

    Where is tank500 review?

  • @Accuaro
    @AccuaroАй бұрын

    Yeah.. actually now that I think about it, more cars should have a hepa filter.

  • @Coastmac2001
    @Coastmac2001Ай бұрын

    Might be a bit expensive but overall its a reasonably practical vehicle. Should suit a lot of buyers who have some cash to splash

  • @AimeeandGrantPallant
    @AimeeandGrantPallantАй бұрын

    Wow car interior not boring black more car company should let us have choice on some colours as there charging exorbitant prices

  • @MiltBrady
    @MiltBradyАй бұрын

    Have you heard about HiAce van converted to full-on 4x4 off-road platform from WA

  • @bretthallett8655

    @bretthallett8655

    Ай бұрын

    They have had one working in Arkaroola for a couple of years.

  • @alexaescht

    @alexaescht

    Ай бұрын

    Google EnduroCo 4x4

  • @WiljanWiljan
    @WiljanWiljanАй бұрын

    One thing i do not understand. If you charge the battery from 10 to 80% as recommended, what is the actual range? Because 10 to 80 means i am not using 30% battery capacity....so 64kw becomes much less....Or what is my mistake?

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    Ай бұрын

    go to 100% when you are just getting prepared for a long journey, below 10% is not often needed if you charge from home as well.

  • @WiljanWiljan

    @WiljanWiljan

    Ай бұрын

    @@TerryHickey-xt4mf so i am right to say that when you charge between 10 to 80%, the real battery capacity is eg 64kw minus 30%? So the range is really even 30% lower then told by people in the videos....why is nobody talking about real life range?

  • @PaulFilmer

    @PaulFilmer

    7 күн бұрын

    @@WiljanWiljan This is kind of like saying the range in a petrol car isn't correct because you fill up before empty.

  • @dkkli985
    @dkkli985Ай бұрын

    You have to really really hate model y to opt in this. This doesn't quite make sense to me at all...

  • @joelcarterramadge183

    @joelcarterramadge183

    Ай бұрын

    A decent number of people do want a more honest and less influencer type car and I would be one of them

  • @Jason_Cardoza

    @Jason_Cardoza

    16 күн бұрын

    Tesla's are nice until you try to get insurance. Mine would go up $700 a year and I have a perfect record....

  • @Vitto_homeslice
    @Vitto_homesliceАй бұрын

    Don't understand why the safety systems like lane keeping assistance comes on by default. It is the drivers choice to turn it off .....so just stay off.

  • @tbillington
    @tbillingtonАй бұрын

    Does that safety crap stay turned off? Or do you need to do it every startup? I think this info is something that should be mentioned in reviews, because a lot of the "safety" features are more of an annoying hindrance than anything.

  • @longdongjohn6588

    @longdongjohn6588

    Ай бұрын

    All modern cars won't stay switched off, you have to reset them each ignition cycle. And Hyundai's and Kia's tech is especially annoying and intrusive, and the official line from them concerning it a couple months ago was "We know, we don't care, this is for Euro NCAP regulations not Australia which is only 3% of our sales, don't like it? 🖕 Buy something else." Unless this changes, the Pajero Sport I bought at the end of 2022 will be my first...and last new car. I don't want my car trying to second guess me all the time while driving. At least the AEB it has can have it's sensitivity changed in a set-and-forget fashion.

  • @jerrymyahzcat

    @jerrymyahzcat

    Ай бұрын

    “For safety” they are not allowed to be permanently disabled and also if they could be the vehicle wouldn’t meet 5 star safety ratings. So it’s not gonna happen. Hack the software and write a script to disable in start up if you need to.

  • @tbillington

    @tbillington

    Ай бұрын

    The lane assist crap and speed warning can be permanently turned off in my company Hilux (a 2023 model), so I don't think it's a requirement that it reactivates every time. I think it's just shitty decisions by most companies these days.

  • @zaamuro8408

    @zaamuro8408

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@tbillingtonrequirement in Europe so Kia/Hyundai could have a version for us which disables it until you turn it back on if they wanted to

  • @bobme4065

    @bobme4065

    Ай бұрын

    @@zaamuro8408 Not going to bother for 3% of their market !

  • @planestrainsdogsncars4336
    @planestrainsdogsncars4336Ай бұрын

    70K for a lightweight contender with bizarre styling? Tell em' their dreaming. Never thought i would be saying this .......but show them something Chinese.

  • @bauboni

    @bauboni

    Ай бұрын

    buy in 2-3 years, with EVs resale the way they are, you will pay half of it

  • @ev0wat

    @ev0wat

    Ай бұрын

    @@bauboni even car dealers are no longer taking EV’s for trade ins because the depreciation today and next week could vastly change and they’re stuff taking a financial hit. There’s no real market set value on EV’s like ICE vehicles.

  • @daviddixon9458
    @daviddixon9458Ай бұрын

    Why are the electric cars so expensive?

  • @johnphillips519

    @johnphillips519

    Ай бұрын

    When anything first comes out they are usually expensive until mass production kicks in and covers the production costs, then the price will come down, For example DVD players and LCD TV's etc, But and a big but, I think this transition might be a bit more extended and more painful for those unable to afford the change over, Unless the government intervenes............

  • @campbellreither550

    @campbellreither550

    Ай бұрын

    Cos they can get away with it.

  • @user-je9nb8ny3d

    @user-je9nb8ny3d

    Ай бұрын

    Because the batteries make up 15-30% of the retail price. Highly complex to make hundreds or thousands of cells that require many metals.

  • @johnphillips519

    @johnphillips519

    Ай бұрын

    @@user-je9nb8ny3d Battery costs are coming down every day and to ad to that there are new batteries that are coming out quite regularly, There is one about to hit the market that can be recharged in seconds.

  • @c4l2016
    @c4l2016Ай бұрын

    Paul please do a review of Peugeot 408 PHEV

  • @mightygood1
    @mightygood1Ай бұрын

    Way way way too expensive.

  • @fabianchow512
    @fabianchow512Ай бұрын

    That blank panel on the right side of the driver binnacle is so darn cheap looking ...

  • @twisted_panties
    @twisted_pantiesАй бұрын

    Nice car, I was considering but the price is eye watering. Hyundai will have to drop the price to compete.

  • @anthonybugge5220
    @anthonybugge5220Ай бұрын

    I just don't understand why Hyundai doesn't spend the money like kia and do local R&D.

  • @aikz5
    @aikz5Ай бұрын

    There has to be some rules and laws about these front and rear lights. Cars coming with full width lights are very distracting on road. If I’ll install LEDs all around my car, pretty sure cops will issue me a ticket and force to remove them. How these car companies are getting away with these crazy designs?

  • @kelvinlam1875
    @kelvinlam1875Ай бұрын

    $70k ?. I buy a Hybrid Lexus instead

  • @ricco123tube
    @ricco123tubeАй бұрын

    Just buy the ioniq 5. The Kona is no longer the bargain efficient EV it once was.

  • @MARKINAU8
    @MARKINAU8Ай бұрын

    This car looks ten years old from today's Chinese made EVS

  • @jaisabai4155
    @jaisabai4155Ай бұрын

    A minor ding at the front and there goes the recharging.

  • @Whocares17032

    @Whocares17032

    Ай бұрын

    That a good point

  • @vhol93
    @vhol93Ай бұрын

    Cool

  • @stevemcintyre4398
    @stevemcintyre4398Ай бұрын

    Um no. I don't know of many that I associate with that can afford 70k that in a couple of years will be worth virtually nothing. Not to mention range anxiety for a family trip outside of 200 kms. I would think Hybrid, plug in Hybrid would be more practical.

  • @walichannelabadi99
    @walichannelabadi992 күн бұрын

    in indonesia price of this car is arroun 400 millon rupiahs

  • @buncha5651
    @buncha5651Ай бұрын

    That's hilarious, $70,000 for that little piece of crap. For that money you can buy some really nice ice vehicles. That are fun to drive.

  • @warwickharty172
    @warwickharty172Ай бұрын

    No way at 70K

  • @lammiwinks3775
    @lammiwinks377515 күн бұрын

    Don’t forget Volvo ex30!

  • @rikij8643
    @rikij8643Ай бұрын

    Chinese cars... hmm what about suzuki scross? It's cheaper and got most of the functions. Also reliability. Looks are subjective

  • @jackfishcampbell6745
    @jackfishcampbell6745Ай бұрын

    I think that it looks hideous . And I'm a fan of the Korean Twins . We drive a 19 Kia Niro Hybrid in Canada , I like the looks of our car , the new ones a little less , although I'm sure they've improved . But the new Kona , sheesh , not a fan .

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    Ай бұрын

    I have friend who owned the old model and I could not fit in the back seat without risking my future, the new one does give me more freedom!

  • @jackfishcampbell6745

    @jackfishcampbell6745

    Ай бұрын

    @@TerryHickey-xt4mf Do you mean the Kona ? Because the Niro now has more room , but our 19 has good room . I've ridden in the back of ours no problem . It has a heated rear leather seat with centre arm rest and vents , and doors that open wide . To me the Kona was just too cramped .

  • @paulsven7923
    @paulsven7923Ай бұрын

    Why are we so amused by led lights? Most cars/bikes have them now. It's a bit like saying the car has Aircon

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    Ай бұрын

    incandescent bulbs produce 90% heat and 10% light I am told, LEDs the opposite 90% light and 10% heat I am also told.

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf
    @TerryHickey-xt4mfАй бұрын

    a bit of a miss I think, a shame as they are great cars, I have a friend that swears by it (not at it). Very efficient and good to drive he tells me.

  • @madopado
    @madopadoАй бұрын

    Hyundais designs are very polarising nowadays…

  • @Splits-man
    @Splits-manАй бұрын

    That 240vac power point in the front arm rest doesn’t seem right. 15 amps x 240vac = 3600 watts!! I don’t so! That would mean that there is a 4000 watt inverter somewhere. Very unlikely.

  • @jerrymyahzcat

    @jerrymyahzcat

    Ай бұрын

    Very likely. It’s an EV with a massive battery (compared to a camping battery). In the U.S. there is a Ford Pickup that has twine 7200W (combined) mains sockets in the bed.

  • @kjlovescoffee

    @kjlovescoffee

    Ай бұрын

    If they use one inverter for the global market, it needs to support the highest standard outlet - 15A for BS 546 (Type M) and 13A for BS 1363 (Type G) - both in use in a number of former UK colonies. The spec sheet say "250 V, 3 kW, 15 A", but with a "Domestic 3-pin plug output", so just the regular 10A Aussie socket.

  • @jerrymyahzcat

    @jerrymyahzcat

    Ай бұрын

    @@kjlovescoffee it DOES have the 15A socket though as displayed by the larger earth pin hole. I’d suggest it IS therefore 15A or indeed 16A as printed on it.

  • @kjlovescoffee

    @kjlovescoffee

    Ай бұрын

    @@jerrymyahzcat Oh, good to know! I assumed otherwise because the spec sheet differentiates between "output capacity (maximum)" and "Connector - inside"

  • @mrgarrison3516
    @mrgarrison3516Ай бұрын

    Weird looking hatchback 👽

  • @TassieEV
    @TassieEVАй бұрын

    Always good to compare a CUV to a small hatchback, maybe next time compare the Model Y to a Volvo Prime Mover electric as well. The rear view is any SUV so no difference there. Forgot to mention it has real buttons for essential functions unlike the cars with touchscreen only of which there are a few. Not everyone likes Tesla or wants to give money to help prop up Elon so this is a good option and the exact trim and colour scheme you reviewed in the Meta Blue with Shale Grey interior I have ordered and will be collecting it around mid May.

  • @Greggie_D
    @Greggie_DАй бұрын

    $30,000 more than a CX-30 Evolve. Unbelievable! Anybody buying this thing to save money (on fuel) is kidding themselves.

  • @ppal64

    @ppal64

    Ай бұрын

    It’s fine on a novated lease.

  • @hadtobe4502
    @hadtobe4502Ай бұрын

    If you look for "ugly" in the dictionary, a picture of this car will appear.

  • @tonyz9066
    @tonyz9066Ай бұрын

    way too expensive, i will buy model y if i plan spend 70k, or i will wait more Chinese EV car coming to AUS

  • @FreddyGunawan
    @FreddyGunawan13 күн бұрын

    Back seat? Boot space?😂

  • @jerrymyahzcat
    @jerrymyahzcatАй бұрын

    240V port said 16A not 15A. You said you’ll gloss over the interior as you’ve tested it twice already. I must have missed that - as not seen a review of this Kona before. Other EVs aren’t as efficient as Tesla because Tesla designed their own electric motors. Not sure what other manufacturers are doing but they aren’t using Tesla motors. No rear window or horn test?!

  • @CarExpertAus

    @CarExpertAus

    Ай бұрын

    There are links in the description to our previous Kona reviews.

  • @jerrymyahzcat

    @jerrymyahzcat

    Ай бұрын

    @@CarExpertAus yeah but it’s not the same Kona EV reviewed is it? I have seen other Kona reviews but not of this new platform EV one!

  • @CarExpertAus

    @CarExpertAus

    Ай бұрын

    @@jerrymyahzcat No this is the first Kona EV review, but we've reviewed the new Kona two other times. There's more detail on things like the interior and other shared components in those reviews.

  • @dijm8
    @dijm8Ай бұрын

    dont need to be concerned how this car will date, in 10yrs time this aswell as all other EV's will mostly be going to the scrapyard because nobody will want to fork out for a new battery

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    Ай бұрын

    not true. My MG has a very long 7 year warranty, how long is the engine warranty on your ice car?

  • @dijm8

    @dijm8

    Ай бұрын

    @@TerryHickey-xt4mf i said 10yrs, not 7. my comment still stands...goodluck coughing the cost of a battery at 10yrs, be easier to scrap it

  • @alexaescht

    @alexaescht

    Ай бұрын

    @@TerryHickey-xt4mfhow many engines need replacing at 7 years?

  • @paulwang5213
    @paulwang5213Ай бұрын

    any EV with a bar headlight design is an instant no from me. no matter how good it is.

  • @matthewmcgrath8886
    @matthewmcgrath8886Ай бұрын

    Also EVs ARE not the answer it's hydrogen fuel. They Honda and Cadillac were working on this 20 years ago then the powers that be decided it was ev.... just think where we'd be now if they kept with it instead of doing it now.

  • @Spar_Hawk

    @Spar_Hawk

    Ай бұрын

    The only advantage of Hydrogen is that it emits near zero greenhouse emissions. All the other problems with combustion engines remain the same....lots of complex moving parts, higher wear and tear costs including brake pads

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    Ай бұрын

    did you say hydrogen fuel? the reason is quite plain if I understand you correctly, you still need a very complex internal combustion engine with all it's many moving parts and maintenance, and hydrogen is more toxic to the components it comes into contact with than even petrol or diesel, so why hydrogen? it does not exist in a natural form on Earth, it has to be extracted from some other compound or made by electrolysis, all these manufacturing steps consume 70% or more energy than just using solar panels or wind to generate electricity that can be pumped straight into your ev battery. ( same with petrol or diesel, only 25% of the fuel I buy actually drives the wheels, the rest is just wasted). Also, for a lot of people they can refuel their ev overnight whilst sleeping, I cannot do that with my diesel Ranger. (or your hydrogen car) My ev takes care of all my day to day tasks, so the Ford has to wait for the trailer dump trip or to take the boat out etc. For the average punter, hydrogen just will not happen, because batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper, and better and better each month, and the charging infrastructure is also doing the same. There is no doubt the future is electric.

  • @buncha5651
    @buncha5651Ай бұрын

    If Blackout Bowen buys me one, I'll have it.

  • @matthewmcgrath8886
    @matthewmcgrath8886Ай бұрын

    Why the f are they making these ugly cars. Just make a normal looking one and what do you mean will it age well? It's shit now

  • @cryptoman2736
    @cryptoman2736Ай бұрын

    Ugly. The previous version looks so much better at least from the outside

  • @user-qo9jq7ed2l
    @user-qo9jq7ed2lАй бұрын

    SUV? Try fitting a bike in the back of that.😂

  • @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    @TerryHickey-xt4mf

    Ай бұрын

    a loose term these days, more like a cross over.

  • @piotrimioa8428
    @piotrimioa8428Ай бұрын

    very oggly vehicle, did they hired old ssangyong designer?

  • @vpanday1977
    @vpanday1977Ай бұрын

    In other words you’re did aksit if this will be a good looking car in 5 ears or suchwhat it it’s note a good looking car now I donut thing idwill in prove in 5 ears ok remember I’m am bing honest as I like you.

  • @HAssifi
    @HAssifiАй бұрын

    Can’t stand the headlights and the taillights

  • @planestrainsdogsncars4336

    @planestrainsdogsncars4336

    Ай бұрын

    Totally ....reminds me of the 2008 Hyundai accent hatchback at the rear.

  • @tomrparker

    @tomrparker

    Ай бұрын

    Fiat multipla vibes

  • @ratnakarg

    @ratnakarg

    Ай бұрын

    Design polarisation of its new car models is at crazy levels and will cost the company for sure.

  • @TheMelbournelad

    @TheMelbournelad

    Ай бұрын

    Fun fact: You see neither when inside the car driving it

  • @Mark.AUS.

    @Mark.AUS.

    Ай бұрын

    Only it’s mother would think It has a pretty exterior design. Good to see no piano black.

  • @kevinlee509
    @kevinlee509Ай бұрын

    not face lift. new platform

  • @jerrymyahzcat

    @jerrymyahzcat

    Ай бұрын

    He Literally says “new platform” just before 8:30 in the vid. However he does say he will gloss over the inside a bit as it’s already been tested twice before. I must have missed that as I’ve never seen this one reviewed already?

  • @acquapanda
    @acquapandaАй бұрын

    Neve EVs

  • @billsingh75
    @billsingh75Ай бұрын

    Would not pay 70k at all. Sorry not my money

  • @petercaldwell8674
    @petercaldwell8674Ай бұрын

    Revolting😝

  • @alexjones5220
    @alexjones522017 күн бұрын

    Simply too expensive

  • @hxxxhyyy3208
    @hxxxhyyy3208Ай бұрын

    trash for $70K

  • @laisvunasskinulis9675
    @laisvunasskinulis9675Ай бұрын

    I would buy it if it was 20k ugly

  • @AnarchistBogan
    @AnarchistBoganАй бұрын

    Another battery shitter that’ll be in landfill in a decade

  • @wayneyoung146
    @wayneyoung146Ай бұрын

    Waste of money

  • @nish.8808
    @nish.8808Ай бұрын

    Looks shittier

  • @MiguelGarcia-vn8is
    @MiguelGarcia-vn8isАй бұрын

    Might be the single ugliest car of 2024.

  • @desiremaposa1280
    @desiremaposa1280Ай бұрын

    Wow that's an ugly car

  • @oghawk
    @oghawkАй бұрын

    Too expensive for what it is, a Tesla Model Y is much better value

  • @niyeyewo5034
    @niyeyewo5034Ай бұрын

    Model Y is so much better than this

  • @Cougarsamurai
    @CougarsamuraiАй бұрын

    I sat in one of these when I was looking to change my car and hated it, ended up buying a Ford Focus ST instead.😂

  • @cecilia_mackie
    @cecilia_mackieАй бұрын

    That’s interesting! Shall we be friends?

  • @donvancu
    @donvancu9 күн бұрын

    looks stupid

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