I loved how the old ones looked. They should have kept the looks relatively the same

@kankit230

12 күн бұрын

This design looks off also because of the shorter seat height

@shaikaftab1199

11 күн бұрын

Yes, 701 looked like a bike from future.

@juanicofernandez

9 күн бұрын

They should've kept the old design with this new engine then it woul'dve been perfect and instabuy

The cams depreciate faster than the value. And that is something for a ktm

My morning toasts are harder than these camshafts

@Surpriseify

12 күн бұрын

Ouch hahahah

They still have not fixed the camshafts. The LC8c equipped bikes are PLAGUED with this problem. MENTION IT

motobob... you are one of the few i subscribe to because i respect your output. but i am a 790 duke owner, and the way you influencers ignore the elephant in the room is quite tragic really..... would you care to comment please

@Surpriseify

12 күн бұрын

The horrific reliabilty? the inablity to DYI? KTM's TERRIBLE customer support? So much poision lol

@andylewis210

11 күн бұрын

Well said sir!

@johnDukemaster

10 күн бұрын

@@Surpriseify Yes, poison from comments like yours. Inability to DIY? KTM's are really easy to work on. If that's an issue, nooone would buy japanese. All those bad comments on KTM are just that. Bad comments.

@Surpriseify

10 күн бұрын

@@johnDukemaster LOL Try to get a workshopmanual on a 890 Or get the special tools needed, diagnostics etc My V-Strom is A: Not a buttercrank B: bombproof C: not prone to MASSIVE and catastrophic electrical/mechanical failures D: EXTREMELY easy to DIY Saying moderen KTM’s are easy for normal people to work on makes me wonder if you are a KTM bot.

@johnDukemaster

10 күн бұрын

@@Surpriseify Glad you like your bike. No, I'm not. Just skilled I suppose! Have a nice weekend!

You have a typo on the title "Svarptilen"

@madfly8082

12 күн бұрын

Username checks out 😂

@motobob

11 күн бұрын

Thanks for the heads up! It's a word that just doesn't roll off the keyboard that naturally... 😂

I would get this but the camshaft issue makes it a hard no. Run away until they update

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

It’s the same people over and over commenting the camshaft issue. The amount of negativity publicity isn’t proportionate to the issues

@paulb_614

9 күн бұрын

@@yohanyonsson It's worse? cause they are not doing what A good company would do and recall effected engines. Look at Toyota, im sure it hurt to recall them truck engines but it was the right thing to do.

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

@@paulb_614 I agree, but it’s not that common of an issue as internet is making you believe. My local dealer and mechanic sells and services a lot of KTMs and according to them it’s not common. They sell other brands as well

@yohanyonsson

8 күн бұрын

@@paulb_614 So they are not doing recall if the bike is under warranty? The stories I’ve read are from people who serviced the bike themselves

Nice bike Rob but for the price a tough sell getting the Duke motor from 2 gen ago, assume the 790 motor made in China by CF Moto alongside the 790 KTM etc, hmm, a shame too then didn't go more into the offroad ability,

Did they fix the camshaft problems in this new engine?

@adrianpeds

12 күн бұрын

Doubt it

@MotoAdventureZA

12 күн бұрын

Coober posted a failed cam on the brand new 990 Duke - KTM have lost the plot. I was a KTM fan boy and a proud 890 owner, now I can't wait to get rid of it, but 1st need to get it running again :(

@richardwarsinske7064

12 күн бұрын

@@MotoAdventureZA This sadly seems to be a problem that won't go away and a deal breaker for me on the several very nice bikes that use the KTM P-twin platform. If I want a KTM/Husqvarna the 390/401 are the only ones I'd consider spending my money on!

@MotoAdventureZA

12 күн бұрын

@@richardwarsinske7064 that is the sad reality and KTM seems to think it'll go away if they apply the ostrich approach and stick their heads in the ground.

@stefanostokman

12 күн бұрын

@@MotoAdventureZA Before I asked the question I allready knew that they did not fix the problem on the existing 790 and 890 platforms hahahah. Kinda sad to hear that the new 990 platform is allready pleagued by problems and it has nog even been out for 6 months. Do you have a link to the article of the failed camshaft? I think that it is extra sad that absolutely no moto vlogger reports about the reliability of certain brands, I get that they are afraid to lose the ability to get a press bike, but this needs to be reported on, lots of people are having this problem.

Svartpilen 1390

@TheMotociclist

12 күн бұрын

Yeah yeah yeah….even Rocket 3 engine will go…..pointless engines for normal roads

@logic_bot3753

12 күн бұрын

Finally someone who gets it!

@Bugside

12 күн бұрын

That Brabus version is kinda that

@tomg6284

12 күн бұрын

It would be the 1401.

Dear MotoBob excellent review you have made 😊

Looks fantastic but…those cheesy cams are sure to kill that “stone bucket” of an engine pretty fast.

Thank you for the review

7:52 look it even leaks oil onto your brake disc.

Thanks Rob

Well done mr Bob! Nice looking bike indeed.

I’m +1000km in on my 801 now and I love it. Traded in my 401 for it. The 801 really inspires active riding and feels a lot more premium than the 401 or the 790. The suspension and engine are great and the riding position is perfect for me.

There’s a cb1100 vibes on this bike.

I'll definitely be demoing this bike and the Vitpilen 801 when it comes out. I've always been a fan of the pilens but HATE single cylinder engines. This is definitely up my alley.

are the camshafts the updated cheese ones?

svart401 was my first bike, so I got a little something with the brand, but even, with that pricing, I say the xsr900 is a more tempting option

The Mt60RS is a supermoto tyre Rob, what they were designed for, heat up in dry, superb good wet compound and can deal with a bit of slime and gravel, def not like the flat tracker tyres on market. Got them on my XSR700xt. Downside is they wear quick.

@jcsuperstars1100

11 күн бұрын

Who is Rob?

@Rainan-hi8ds

10 күн бұрын

Max 4000 Kilometer

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

@@Rainan-hi8dsdepends on the rider and the ground traveled. My friend got 10000km out of his rear tyre

@Rainan-hi8ds

9 күн бұрын

@@yohanyonsson 10k !? If the bike has torque, that tire has no chance! The rs 60 is way to soft for me and the most riders. The negative profile, is also not the best grip, better street tire!

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

@@Rainan-hi8ds Yes, he did 10k on a Ducati Scrambler. I’ve only ridden 1000km so far, depending on how far it gets, I might swap it for something more road orientated.

I would be keen to see a comparison with something like the Benelli Leoncino 800 or the Trail version.

I like the looks and that it's more refined than the duke 790. I don't like the price but I'd still probably get it and add the cruise control and dynamic pack on there. Has ktm issued an update on the cam issues they have been having in these motors tho?

the 701 looks way better

how do you feel about the svart 401 compared to the speed 400?

Visually speaking it's definitely growing on me. Not as striking as the Vitpilen 701 but better looking than the Svartpilen 701. I wish the seat lined up better with the tank though, it just doesn't flow like the 701s do. The radiator is a bit of a miss too, as is the lackluster belly pan. Engine wise? I really wish they'd have gone with the 890 engine, I'd have been more tempted to go from my Vitpilen 701 to a Vitpilen 901 than the Svartpilen 801. I'm happy it's getting good reviews though and I really hope it translates to people actually buying it this time. As far as living with the 701 is concerned, my time with mine was incredible. The vibes are honestly very minimal (mine was a 2018) and the complaints about it being uncomfortable were wildly exaggerated in my opinion. The clip-ons were nothing compared to your average sport bike and the seat was fine enough that in my many 100+ mile rides my biggest complaint was getting blown around on the highway, which is something my Street Triple RS and every naked I've ridden shares. I hope it's a success and we get to see a Vitpilen (please be a 901!) soon.

Hey MOTOBOB! Nice review. is the 801 built in China like the 790? thanks

Nice video!! Are you planning to test the CFMoto 800NK too? they also share the same motor and if you get your hands on the "Advanced" version has way more tech, I got it couple of months back and I absolutely love it, Anyway I would love to hear how it compares with the 790 Duke and the Svartpilen 801 since they share things together.

@jimzenglish1

12 күн бұрын

800NK is a great bike and much more competitively priced. Also has that 8” touchscreen with Apple Car Play. Looks aren’t for everyone though.

@4G63TDSM

11 күн бұрын

I have an 800nk advanced. 10k miles in 4 months. Luckily I have unlimited mile warranty on my bike should I run into cheese cams. The 800nk is probably very close to the 801 in terms of riding ergos but for far less money.

Bike bit starts @2:05 - skip the ads.

Looks so modern and i can’t take my eyes off 🙈 the design

Cool to drive past whilst you were filming this but sorry for interrupting!

Noice ktm 790 scrambler. Would like to see the vitpilen😮

Hope they fixed camshaft problem with those ones

I’d love you to compare the CF MOTO 800 NK advance to the mix

My local dealer tells me the cams are fixed as of 2023 onwards.. can anyone confirm?

@sverremoe4087

11 күн бұрын

It's a shot in the dark. KTM and Husqvarna had not made any comment about the cams. Ask your dealer how he knows. I doubt it

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

My dealer told me they have had zero cam shaft issues and they sell/service a lot of KTMs and Husky’s. The mechanic said they used to have some issues with pistons but that has been sorted. Leaks are still quite common though. With a 4 year warranty and an insurance that covers 80000km I don’t worry too much.

0:08... I chose reliability, If you guys haven't notice, theres a petition going for KTM motors.

It sure looks good, but unfortunately it has a heart disease known as KTM cheese cams😅❤

i wish it had a 19" front wheel. i know, less sporty, but it would fit the scrambler style more and with a vitpilen 801 on the horizon, it would create a bigger gap between those two

They missed the pricing again. 701s didn't sell well until the fire-sale, hope this won't be a repeat.

Did they ever get the soft valve train sorted on this bike?

@sverremoe4087

12 күн бұрын

no

This one seems to be closer to a "790R" with the track (dynamic) mode on there.

Interesting. It definitely seems a bit ... chunkier and more relaxed than the 701. I don't know if I agree with the conclusion that 701 riders would like it if they just want something less vibey. Like if I were to describe my Vit 701, I'd say it's nimble and tips over into a corner aggressively and is an absolute wheelie loving hooligan--while being a pain in the ass to leverage the clip-ons in the parking lot doing slow figure 8s. Whereas this seems a bit more geared towards the commuter and--lazy--by comparison--especially compared to the KTM bike it's based on, biased in a different direction compared to the 701's take on the 690. Which isn't a bad thing, it's just a different bike and a different approach to a bike. I'll keep my stupid hooligan 701.

All the street Qvarnas look great! But, like KTM and BMW, I won't touch them. I like to be able to ride whenever I feel like it, not only when the bike isn't in the shop. In that category, I'd not hesitate to head to the Yamaha dealer and just enjoy.

The high muffler looks good. I'd like to see more bikes doing that. I wonder why they don't make a White Pilen ?

@claesnorell8702

11 күн бұрын

Svartpilen means Black arrow in Swedish. Vitpilen means White arrow. With a colour in the name, you have limited choices for the actual colour of the bike 😃

🚨 Love Scotland 🚨

I believe the camshaft supplier for these LC8C engines is Cadbury....

I saw it in the flesh 2 weeks ago. Looks better than in video . The fuel tank shell feels and sounds really plasticky though. A bit dispointed on this side

I wonder if it’s much better than the nk800

I love the look of the bike, but it is a baby copy of a Honda CB1000R (Neo Retro)... I would like to see them back to back on test...with the same tyres...🏍😎

Sweet looking bike. Time will tell if it’s a Cam Eating Monster like the rest of the KTM/Husky’s…..Buy an XSR900. It’s faster and proven to be as reliable as a Toyota.

This one or the Triumph Trident 660? What would you recommend and why? Which will be the better bike for around town and on country side roads?

@sverremoe4087

11 күн бұрын

Trident. This one will eat it's camshafts and KTM/Husqvarna will not help you... Why not a street triple?

@baliphilipp

11 күн бұрын

​@@sverremoe4087 I don't like the look of the street triple.

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

The 801 has a lot better specs than the 660. 25hp more, 10kg less, better electronics and a lot better suspension. I also chose between these two models and I don’t regret buying the 801. It’s a crazy fun bike. Larger than the 660 as well

That camshaft won't last long 🤣

What happened to the reviews of the Svartpilen 401, did that breakdown as well? 😂

Great commercial, but I lost the interest, I decided for quality, Yamaha mt09 24 for 11200€! Husqvarna 801 10900k€ with dynamic pack 11300k€! Mt09 has 3 cylinder, 119 hp, free full navigation, quick shifter and no camshaft problems 😉

🔥👍🏽

Is R1 M available in europe

Why not just buy a used F800R with neo-retro design, parallel twin fun riding with 3.8 l/100km??

@tharushsomashekar

12 күн бұрын

doesn't look as good though... XSR 900 would be an better option for 'retro'

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

20hp less and 20kg more.

If they didn't fix the camshaft issue yet, I would stay FAR away from this bike.

Watch out for the cheese camshafts everyone! Don't buy them. There are already 990 engines starting to have problems as well!

Where 401 review

I’m gutted. I had cancel my order 6 weeks ago but I did buy my first house today so now I have a garage to put the bike when I order one next season.

@Spidey890R

12 күн бұрын

Saved yourself money. This motor has been a time bomb since introduction in 2018 😂

@SafaDave

12 күн бұрын

@@Spidey890R been riding my 401 since 2020. Love it.

@sverremoe4087

12 күн бұрын

@@SafaDave 401 is not the same as the 790/890/801/901 these engines are shit, the eat camshatfs, cheap and soft materials, you saved yourself alot of money and pain by not buying it.... buy a mt09 or a street triple xD.. hell even mv agusta is a safer bet than this cheese engine.

Isn’t that 790 Engine made in China?

Id call the style Neo-Retro

Looks like a Honda CB1000R, down to the bronze gear cover.

Finally review of the best bike to come out this year, love it. Can't wait to get mine ❤❤❤❤. Keep up with great work bringing us videos, podcasts and reviews 😊😊

It’s a nice bike. But It’ll fail to sell like the 701 version did and get reduced to sub 9k.

I believe Ducati Scrabler (desert sled) is a better option for the money

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

Too slow too boring

MOTOHOB. Hobbit Bob. Hobbrit.😂😂😂

Nice enough bike, I guess, but I don’t see why I’d get rid of my Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory and then pay more money to replace it with a dolled up KTM. I’d rather go for an XSR900.

motoboob

I dunno, there is something about the design of this family that has the whiff of the modern office photocopier and attendant lack of charisma about them. Not for me, but hey ho. IMHO of course.

that sucks, having to pay for a computer setting. like the old ibm scam, they flick a switch and you're upgraded to a bugger machine. why are manufacturers so greedy?

Enough comments on the cam...for me the look of it just hurts the eyes

The footage quality is poor, with excessive contrast and blown-out highlights. Looks like it was shot in 2010 and it is 1080P only. And how about the camshafts on that engine?

this one looks like a painted duke ... like the duke had a say in how the HSQ should look.

Cams

Such a disappointment this isn't fully made in Europe. The motor puts it in the no go zone for me.

@asifkhattak608

12 күн бұрын

Even if it was, it's not like it widve been better quality. Reliability is always an issue with Europeans.

@ozyrob1

12 күн бұрын

@@asifkhattak608 I didn't say anything about quality.

Is it any more reliable than the KTM version? Indeed does Husqvarna somehow manage to mitigate the unreliability of KTM generally?

Tarted up 8k bike for 10.5k with camshafts made of cheese, or XSR900? Hmm...😅

Tbh if they had of made an exact copy of the 401 in the 801 I would of bought it but it looks nowhere near as good as the 401

The 701 you reviewed couple of years ago looks way better than this one.

The cams are ok for the 2024 models or they continued the bullshit that we all are seeing um the 890/790/901 models???

@sverremoe4087

12 күн бұрын

its ktm so its probably the same xD

Hands up who's seen a Svartpilen or Vitpilen on the road? Thought so..

@yohanyonsson

9 күн бұрын

I have seen plenty here in Sweden

Svarptilen?, what is this?🤣. I love kTm😁.

chocolate camshafts and mickeymouse warrenty, avoid at all costs.

camshafts are weak on all 790, 890, 901, 801 engines. dont buy it. why are you not saying anything about this bob? no more press bikes?? xD

@dennis.lc8407

12 күн бұрын

A lot of people still don’t want to believe this. They say things like "well that can happen to a hand full of bike…" "ktm reliability is far better than it was in the past…" bla bla bla😂 the only 2 engines I would buy from ktm are the 690 and 1290.

@sverremoe4087

12 күн бұрын

@@dennis.lc8407 I have a 990 v twin..would not trade out for any new KTM engine I think 😅🙈

@mbal4052

12 күн бұрын

@@dennis.lc8407I agree, as an owner of many KTMs of the older 950/990 type I wouldn’t buy any of them now. I did try anew gen 3 1290 SDR but had lots of electronic issues that the dealer didn’t do very well to fix

@MisterDillPickle

12 күн бұрын

Has this channel ever made a remotely negative review?

@sverremoe4087

12 күн бұрын

@@MisterDillPickle never 🙈

Looks kinda like a cbr650

Bar end mirrors are a miss!

Shouldn't it be an 802 since it has 2 cylinders? I'll be interested to see the Vitpilen when it comes out. Maybe we can get the 990 version of the Vitpilen for some extra fun.

are you kiddin? mt60rs are f**kin good tyres if you know what they are for. Those you mentioned scenarios are perfect for these tyres..

Ant wait for the cf moto clone

DJI nice Chinese company. If you don't mind giving them your money. Go for it.

My svartpilen 401 quality was piss poor. Bolts stripping out or even breaking while hand threading them in/out. It felt like husqvarna used metal that didn’t have 1 more round of recycling left in it. No more KTM products for this guy

hoping for the New Nuda

that bike is a sex bomb!!!

same hp as the 901 weird

Looks like an electric bike

This design is not very blended well with other bikes 🏍️ models, it’s looking retro design with modern KTM chassis and suspension , it’s looking weird.

I’d really liked the 401 and the 701, but the design language is getting watered down to the point where it’s now “Dog’s Dinner” territory. Lots of good ideas but as a whole nothing gels….. that radiator shroud looks like nothing else on the bike.