list is legit

@JahBebop

4 ай бұрын

how is it legit pp19 should be on S tier wtf

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

Official decimal cosign. W

@AkuraTheAwesome

3 ай бұрын

It's because he focused it on a specific metric, killing the most people the easiest way with the highest skill ceiling. Battlebit tier lists vary based on your playstyle, skill level, etc etc. Context matters more than TTK stats or numbers.

@psych0tykgaming670

Ай бұрын

Pp19 is only "okay" bc its soooooo easy to use.... the ttk and reload speed are meh at best tho. ​@JahBebop

Its always hard to tell whether the low view tier lists are accurate, but I saw your hat and went "yeah, he knows his shit"

i watched this video to confirm my bias. very good list

best video i had ever seen

Appreciated.

I cant find the rpk16 in your playlist... or did that weapon just released after the vid?

@wherswallace

3 ай бұрын

Rpk S/SS wasn't on the list that I used but had been released already. Very good weapon most unique lmg in game

The PP19 is worse than the rank 0 sniper that becomes obsolete the moment you hit lvl.30? Yup.. makes sense Worse than the PP2000 aswell? While yes, the PP2k has a higher rate of fire and better run speed (by 0.05, and RoF being higher by 250 with a base mag of 40cap.). The extended mag increases your cap to 60, turning it into a small lmg. However there is a huge downside to this, your recoil becomes worse, your reload speed gets worse, and your main quality, run speed, becomes slower. Togheter with no grip or barrel attatchments there's no way to offset the downsides. The PP2k is like a inbred child of pre-nerf vector and the vector we have now. As for the PP19, have you ever played it? I know it's by far not as meatgrinder-frontal-assault type gun as other weapons are. And yeah, you will most likely struggle a fair bit in a 1on1 fight, but it's a pretty reliable TTK even at half-medium range. It sports the highest base accuracy of any smg, with 72.25. The reload speed is, at base, 3.10, but with the Qmag and URK grip it goes down to 2.10. Fun fact! The URK grip also reduces your recoil slightly, with it's only downside being a 2.5% increase in run speed. (I forgot what the run speed looks like in the stat screen, so I am resorting to using the battlebit remastered fandom wiki). Even if you decide to use another grip your reload speed will be reduced massively if you use the Qmag for no downside. I have gotten the recoil down to 0.59 vertical, and 0.54 horizontal. This is done using the vertical grip and VAMB-762. Though I've found that mostly any attatchment works, even the heavy barrel is decent lmao. You can fairly easily reach 0.27 horizontal at the cost of 1.32 vertical if you so wish. All of these qualities make the PP19 an excellent weapon for flanking and hit&run tactics. That is, if you have any gamesense at all. Flanking does still require a decent amount of skill (and a healthy amount of luck). As for your preface, 127vs127 is the only gamemode I've played and I find the PP19 great to use, so take that as you will. I think that covers all I have to say, and most usefull information about the gun. Please, if you aree going to reply, say something else than "I don't care" repeatedly. I would like to actually know what your thoughts are. Other than the weird placement of the PP19 I agree with the tierlist. edit: I opened your attatchments tierlist, and one of the first sentences I hear is "the only things that matter in battlebit is, run speed, reload speed, and horizontal recoil". These 3 things are all things that the PP19 does really well? It's a smg so it's automatically fast, it's reload is one of the shortest in the game, and it's horizontal recoil is non-existant. Your are going against your own logic by putting the PP19 in it's own seperate tier.

Im confused on the comment about the Honey Badger's movement speed when it's the same as the P90? Agree it's a shit gun but that doesn't make sense as a reason.

Ty sir, i like marksman rifles, should i care about their high horizontal recoil and build around it?

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

If you feel it effecting you when spam clicking can throw a flash hider on it but it shouldn't be too much of an issue when tap firing. First shot kick normally biggest issue when spam clicking.

what's the best mk20 loadout?

groza should be in top single S maybe low double S, its a really good gun in all aspects, its just the magazine and reload time is what holds it back. other than that the gun is good all around

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

mag and reload speed are 2 most important stats in 127v127 kill farming. in a 1v1 i agree with what you saying but we not talkin bout 1v1s

@daviddavidson2357

4 ай бұрын

@@wherswallace If you're gonna S tier the AUG, which has a pretty low TTK and is only saved by being controllable and accurate (which the groza is almost matched in this respect) the Groza should definitely be higher in tier. However I avoid 127v127 as the maps are simply too small. I hold most large, grand strategy (ie not COD) FPS games up the Battlefield 2's standard, which was (apparently 64 players max, though I swear I remember 128 player, 64v64 servers), map size in BF2 was large enough to allow for jets, bombers and a commander who could order in strategic options, like artillery strikes. Battlebit on lower player counts captures this pretty well, on 127V127 it becomes overcrowded, whereas 64V64 feels more like battlefield in that it's _almost_ like a milsim, you actually feel like you're fighting in a war and not just tossing meat into the grinder until it breaks. Not that I can blame the devs for the small map sizes, IIRC the level design was done by one guy, battlefield 2 probably had a (small) handful of level designers.

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

@@daviddavidson2357 Aug quick mag has one of, if not the, fastest reload times in the game. That's what makes it so good. without it's reload speed it would be low b maybe even c

@daviddavidson2357

4 ай бұрын

@@wherswallace Okay, I'll need to try that out then. Thanks for the tip. I mean, I still prefer the FAL, but the AUG is far more accurate over range in auto whereas the FAL has that mid range deadzone where you need to tap fire and pray. Compared to the Groza, the AUG isn't as bad as I'd taken it to be, the Groza would still be my choice for running into someone camping, but so long as I can headshot with the AUG it becomes a little better. The Groza seems to perform well enough right from unlocking it too. I'll need to get some more AUG kills and see which I prefer out of the two.

@frenicas

4 ай бұрын

groza shoot one shot, ajust the reticle, enjoy your laser of death

Good list, but I feel the m4 should be higher in a tier

What did you mean by the AK5C being 'sleeper A tier'? Do you mean that it's a very good A tier gun or that it's just barely in A tier?

@wherswallace

3 ай бұрын

barely a tier.

@ghostcarp

3 ай бұрын

@@wherswallace Ah alright, thanks

You could make a video for nooby players or players who are not that great at shooters in general. I play a lot with my brother in law who is not a good shootie. He started having fun in the game when he unlocked the Groza et al.

@wherswallace

2 ай бұрын

Yeah this a great idea, a lot of new players picked up the game last week during steam sale also so could definitely see that being helpful

@ovaca

Ай бұрын

@@wherswallace Please, do it for noobies sake

@stra2g

Ай бұрын

Would definitely say Groza is one of if not the most consistent guns in the game. Currently 1.6k hrs into the game with a 3.56kd. If I want a chill session the consistent mid-range picks, this is my go-to. I believe I've got ~7800 kills recorded on it for now.

this is not true PP19 should be on SSS tier

evo is SSS tier (better than fal too), literally highest firerate a gun can be and highest dmg/sec out of any guns, just say you cant control it's recoil and mp5 in b tier is criminal, 2 whole ranks below ump even though it has less recoil, more velocity, more dmg/sec, more magazine size, more control, same ads time, only 0.05 less running speed, and less than a second more reload time, draw time is faster too. It's legit an upgraded version of the ump like it is of the vector, and evo is an upgraded version of the mp5

Where is the RPK on this list?

Great tier list. Been thinking which guns to try without feeling like dog

Which are the best attachments for the MP7?

@wherswallace

3 ай бұрын

Here you go bud kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKRr2atmf5q8h5s.htmlsi=7TX0z-FFbeUznj7-

what about the hk

attachments tierlist pls.

@wherswallace

3 ай бұрын

got you pimp, it will be out in the morning

@wherswallace

3 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKRr2atmf5q8h5s.htmlsi=7TX0z-FFbeUznj7-

I haven't used all the guns yet but my goto is the aug.

@wherswallace

2 ай бұрын

Aug go crazy honestly should probably be top of s tier instead of bottom as the games meta has become a lot more campy since release of this video. FAL only 1.0 movement speed gun with a higher skill ceiling.

Honey Badger is not C tier Imo, it’s comparable to a low mag capacity p90

@wherswallace

Ай бұрын

Low mag long reload = terrible for high kill games

why no rpk?

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

Couldn't find one with it. Rpk definitely S tier tho maybe even SS. I mention it briefly

robocat uses kriss vector

@FuriousFoxd

2 ай бұрын

this is still a great list i do not like kriss vector myself

@wherswallace

2 ай бұрын

robo got half a million kills he can do it with any gun in the game wouldn't compare to that

@FuriousFoxd

2 ай бұрын

@@wherswallace yes, i was just saying that is what he uses, i see him in almost every afternoon, i guess the game lost a lot of players :( thanks for the list bro

@wherswallace

2 ай бұрын

@@FuriousFoxd yeah game at all time low from lack of updates unfortunately. The vector is definitely the most fun gun in the game which is why you will see a lot p10 200 players using it still over better options.

This guy is going about the pp19 being the worst but yet all the ak kinda guns are one of the best guns in the game I understand you play the game a lot but maybe you are just not that great man honestly don't need to play 127 to get high kills you just have to play the game and be good over 900 hours and still just really bad that's unfortunate man

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

Good bait and shit post god bless you. Every gun in this game is good that's what the preface is for. There's a reason why every player who is over 3kpm uses the same 5 guns consistently, that's all this list highlights.

@anthonyveals2256

4 ай бұрын

@@wherswallace very sad man very very sad you have to use guns to get better with them

@wherswallace

4 ай бұрын

@@anthonyveals2256 fishinge 🎣 ty for your comments ily

@17thFable

4 ай бұрын

​@@anthonyveals2256hey he's right I should respond to troll comments more. Drive my fav creators up the algorithm

how the fuck can you compare g3 to pp2k lmao