Steven, you always do a great review on the new bows. I was thinking about purchasing the Dominiator but now I'm going to think about it. Thanks for a honest review 👍 🙂

@capricornmagic63

Жыл бұрын

Would it not make sense to try the bow yourself to see how you feel? I'm not sure how one can decide on a purchase based on what someone else says. A teaspoon of sugar maybe too sweet for one person and not sweet enough for another. If you're able to, test it yourself and make up your own mind

@archery30x

Жыл бұрын

Just ordered mine today so excited

@countdooku5703

Жыл бұрын

Same here..

I think you hit the nail right on the head Stephen

Awesome I can always rely on you for a new bow review.

Much appreciated honesty 👍🏼

Thank you for the honest review!! Looking forward for a video comparison of Dominator S2 and Verdict after the setup.

Thank you for the honest review. I buyed a Perform X a couple of years ago depend on your review and I am still happy with it. I thought to buy a new one now, but depend on your review I think I rather get the Citation than the Dominator Duo. Anyway, I'll think about it. All best wishes from Berlin, Germany.

I really like the anodizing that my Citation and X3D has over the new painted finish.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

I think the Citation looks good. The limbs and all a point of difference from the Supra.

@theamazinggoldfish8713

Жыл бұрын

I bought just before the citation, the supra focus Xl with the EM cam which is also offered on the citation. Got mine in black cherry and love it. 🏹🤠👍

@theamazinggoldfish8713

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale Hi Steven, surely you remember my "serpent focus" I put some pictures on John's website. I've now even put one bell on each limb so it "Jingles" when I shoot making me laugh a little and not get so mad with the "bad shots". 🏹🤠👍

@theamazinggoldfish8713

Жыл бұрын

I inlaid the lightening holes of my red supra focus with black Eva foam and it not only looks good, but helps with dampening as well. Red and black is an good combo. 🏹🤠👍

@ThereWasNoFreeName

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale Hi! I want to upgrade from my first bow (PSE Stinger Extreme 55#) and was thinking to buy a Citation EM 40, But by the time i will be able to (mid January) there may be none on the market. If i can't find one, is Dominator Duo M2 40 better/same/worse than Citation in terms of shooting experience and should i go for Dominator Duo or try something else, maybe Hoyt Stratos?

Enjoy your honesty

Don't forget the S2 cam in the middle. The pattern is definitely that you shoot high let off bows that have a neutral bare balance better when testing them as bare bows. You consistently shoot low let off bows worse, but this isn't surprising. With the extra holding weight, they very much need additional mass on the bow to sit still and for the shots to break smoothly. Without that mass, the additional force required to pull into the wall makes them twitchy and opens the groups up a lot. It's the same for me too, but low let off bows allow more weight on the stabs as you are pulling harder and so can hold that mass up. Assuming one is conditioned for it, low let off bows often shoot more accurately and in a more forgiving way for seasoned archers. High holding weight and low mass really is a bad combo and so I am not surprised to see these bows underperforming for you at 18m. I get the impression that many people are a bit underwhelmed by the Dominator Duo. Its knocking on Hoyt prices, but doesn't give anywhere near the same impression when it comes to build and finish. The PSE is rather utilitarian in comparison and offers fewer features for only a slightly lower price. All the top archers that PSE has signed in the last few years has completely changed the price point of most of their bows. It's a shame. But if they want to charge these prices, IMO they need to step up their game and produce bows that have more of a high end build and finish.

Can't wait to see your groups with the new elite omnia

Will you do a review on the 38 with the s2? Thinking about trying something shorter for the next couple years coming from an Invicta 40 svx

I agree, always thought an NXT38 would have been a good idea.

The look on your face says it all. I think the Gearhead Bows put the biggest grin on your face, then the lever-action bows.

@sahhull

Жыл бұрын

Gearhead Bows look like something I knocked up in the shed.

@robertlee8113

Жыл бұрын

@Northy Don't flatter yourself mate - doubt you are remotely that talented.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

It looks like I struggled drawing it, I think I struggled aiming. But when you shoot there is shock because the bow is faster.

I have an old PSE model thunderbolt and I'm having a hell of a time finding any basic info on it. I bought it used and as far as I knew it was right as rain untill I took it to bass pro. I don't know any specs on it or anything about PSE bows but I believe Bass pro messed it up by changing the draw length without putting it in a bow press. Did those older models use bearings or bushings and are there alternative bushings or bearings or do I have to use PSE ones

PSE already has a TRX competitor with the Lazer, and I can't imagine this bow is actually supposed to replace the Citation, that one only came out a year ago.

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

The Lazer is at a much lower price point and only offered in 37" fixed 75% let off. The TRX comes in 34,36,38,40 and can do 70, 75, 80% let off. The Citation came out more than two years ago.

@Ken-xx8pu

Жыл бұрын

I agree with Tom. The Lazer is not a competitor of the TRX. Yes, its a longer riser but it not short parallel limbs, cheaper roller guard, no ATA length options, and much more budget minded. Citation is also a couple years old, not one year.

I think it's that Dave Cousins is the best ever shooter...

Also if the bearings or bushings are bad how many shots would it take before the string derailed on account of those being bad because I've shot a couple hundred arrows with no string jump or derailment

He Steven. Do you think the situation with S2 cams will be different? From your video, EM looks hard to hold, even draw. I suppose SE cams compared to S2 should be similar. I heard that M2 on Dominator Duo is even more aggressive than EM on Citation 36, and I wasn't happy with EM cams on Citation 36, to be precise SE cams on Citation 36 are perfect for me.

I'm a left hand shooter and as soon as you showed me the conversion process I'd go directly to the Supra. To many things to go wrong.

Honest to goodness it looks like to me they took the remaining parthe remaining parts of the stuff they had left over from the citation and there's change to couple things and said here you go and I love PSE love but I buy in the verdict

Steven not being critical but if you would always use a bow sling the bow will set more solid upon release. Watch the video and you can see that you are catching the bow which doesn't allow for a great follow through. Again love the videos been watching for years ,just a little helpful criticism.

@ccleadge

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but that's not what's happening. Steve clearly has his pointer finger touching the riser at all times, a sling will do nothing and are used by beginners so they don't drop a bow due to not knowing the correct hand grip. Yes he may be grabbing the riser after the shot occasionally but that is likely due to the bow trying to jump forward due to a lack of stabilisers.

@envoutdoors9243

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree with the above comment. You absolutely do not need a bow sling. Most people who shoot high scores don't use them. They are a nuisance.

@charlesroscoe9997

Жыл бұрын

Rather odd comments Dave Cuz has always shot a finger sling and shoots fairly well haven’t seen him drop a bow. Paige Pierce also shots a sling.

@envoutdoors9243

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesroscoe9997 name 5 in the any of the top 5 of ANY category in the Lancaster Archery finals. This isn't recurve. You don't need them, that was my point.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

I use to shoot a sling. then I noticed Stephan not shooting one I thought I would try it. The recurve has a lot of forward movement. But seems ok. If you look at my hand before the release you will notice my hand is moving. I just was not as steady. Some of it is body position. I did not feel very comfortable with it. I felt my should not in the right position. The draw felt a tad short. When the bow hits the valley is shakes my aim. Saying that I think I shot good with the Full Throttle but I am not as comfortable shooting it. The PSE Inertia was the same. I would shoot the Inertia well but I did have some bad shots with it. But I was not comfortable with it. It was a fast bow and cool.

The return of the Dominator Max ME. So my bow is once again a current model.

Seems like they should have launched a number of these set up left handed from the factory. Then shops could always convert remaining stock on demand/to clear etc.

If you find the 75% setting very aggressive, the 70% and 65% are going to be much more so. I tried 65% mods on the Supra Focus XL and it was (IMO) horrendous (I really liked the 75% mods, but wanted more holding weight). The 65s were *much* more aggressive than Mathews 70V or the Hoyt SVX. It wasn't the holding weight as such - that was fine - it was the way it came in and out of the valley. It was kinda binary: 'on' or 'off'. Either in the valley or not. And the valley was about 1mm wide - a super narrow 'notch'. So if you relaxed a hair - breathed even - the bow would go from 19/20lb holding weight to 60 in a nanometre. Both the 70V and SVX start pulling and let you know you're coming off the wall (albeit in very different ways). I have a feeling the 70% and 65% settings on the M2 cam are going to be somewhat similar to the EM 65% mod. i.e. unusable for most people. You saying that the bow clearly 'drops' into the valley at 75% isn't a good sign. This cliff edge profile is what makes it a handful and what makes reducing the let off especially problematic.

I gotta get my hands on one !

hello, nice presentation, but some of us at the archery stores, we don't have the opportunity to try the new bows, until now, when you will make a video with hoyt stratos, I stay with my pse supra rtx 40, thank you, and have a good day

Speed seems legit, but this version really doesn't look enjoyable to shoot. I wonder if the 38 would feel different? I'm 100% with you on the NXT 38, I think that would have been a really good bridge between hunting and 3D. Again thanks for your honest opinion. I gave up years ago listening to the manufacturers B.S. Not every bow is "the greatest ever made"

Would you say the Hoyt stratos and Mathews TRX shoots same as PSE dominator m2

Ambidextrous shoot through riser. York did that back in the 1980’s but it had a better paint job. Did Pete Shepley pass away. This Dominator doesn’t look like something he would let out the door for being a premium bow.

I would like to see you review the Hoyt Stratos with SVX cams 😁

@justinvzu01

Жыл бұрын

It's great, but this dude does not like hoyt bows at all, and he is not the type of shooter to shoot the SVX cams. He called the DCX cams aggresive on the invicta.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

@@justinvzu01 Actually some of my latest Hoyt videos I have thought the bows were great. So maybe you need to review them.

@NPC-fl3gq

Жыл бұрын

@@justinvzu01 He's got nothing against Hoyt, he just tells too much truth for Hoyt fanboys to handle.

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

@@NPC-fl3gq Steven is a 75% guy, preferring bows with a decent valley. 65-70% isn't for everyone and certainly if you don't shoot them a lot, its going to be a really handful and punish you on the scorecard. Shoot a lot, with lots of weight stacked on your long rod, low let off really can be an amazing experience assuming you have a vey strong and active shot style. However, archers who shoot 75-80% and have a relaxed, low-tension shot will find such bows a bit of a nightmare. This does not make Hoyts bad. It just means that the SVX cam has always been pitched at a certain kind of archer. The DCX was much easier to draw, softer wall etc, but either 65% or 75%. I think Steven shot the 65% DCX on the Invicta. Most Hoyt pros chose the SVX (or 65-70% setting on the HBT cam) and Mathews pros the 70V for a reason.

Mala makes entrance at 2:30 ,,, 😁

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

She is normally around guarding the place.

What is the weight of the VAP arrows?

@liamboyle9199

Жыл бұрын

Probably around 390 grains at minimum given its 350 spine and 140 grain point

It would be hard for me to do a constructive review on a new bow that is set 5 lbs heavier than I am used to.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

I shoot all the reviews at 60# 29". I shoot 60# for compound and 55# target recurve.

I'm a lefty and would not take the bow apart while there's plenty of great bow's for me. Less money as well. It's nice though.

They still do custom cams, limbs, pockets.

This is a fast bow, so the aggressive cam really do make the arrow spine weaker an thus bigger groups

In the UK PSE Dominator Duo 40... £1550 Elite Verdict £1800

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

Interesting since they cost the same.

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

Elite prices vary quite a bit from dealer to dealer

I'll keep my Shootdown.

@lloydwellington5271

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, love mine. Can't hit the inside of a barn with it, but still love it.

@chriskotaska8124

Жыл бұрын

At the time of this review I kind of thought maybe I might try a shoot through riser. This bow had so many options, but not one option was a nice anodized finish like the past. This one is just blah paint. The absolute biggest reason it turned me away. Then came the word of a new Shootdown Pro to release in Vegas. Oh so excited, love my Shootdown. Thought no matter what I’ll buy it. Listed as a target bow, but with hunting features and marketed as a dual purpose bow. Okay whatever, I don’t want or need that front Picatinny rail and the unsightly holes for it, but I can deal. Come to find out it comes in same blah colors including camo. Oh such a disappointment. So the dealer calls PSE to see if the custom shop would do a nice custom anodized finish kind of like your Full Throttle Steven. The answer was “absolutely no, we don’t do that anymore”. So I talked to the dealer again after the official release. Hey I really like this bow can they do one of their std anodized finishes maybe? No word yet. I even thought screw PSE and the warranty, I’ll just have a 3rd part do it. But seen your reviews on the Mybo Revaluation and bows like the Elite Verdict and thought they looked nice. Maybe drop PSE all together and try something else after decades of being brand loyal. That is where I’m at now. Waiting in limbo wondering if PSE is willing to do anything or should switch.

I honestly don't care for this bow at all. An evo or nxt in 38 version that i'd be all over. Seems that elite is the only company that makes great jack of all trades bows for people that only want to invest in a single bow for all disciplines.

I guess with a fast bow. You could make life easier, have similar performance to a normal 60lbs bow and shoot at 50 lbs draw instead of pulling your guts out trying to shoot a round with the thing at 60lbs.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can. I have done that on videos that is a smoother bow at higher poundage easier than a faster bow on a lighter poundage.

Understand comments re long riser/short parallel limb bows being "dead in hand"; like Mathews, Prime, the new Elite Verdict etc, but there are many well experienced pro archers influencing bow design preferring these forward mounted limbs that offer some shot feedback for target bows; such as Hoyt, Mybo, PSE, Bowtech etc.etc. Nice to now have choices. Same goes with 40" target bow ATA. I for one prefer shorter target bows. Just how much of an improvement is this new PSE is over previous models ? Hmmmm.

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

I think forward facing vs. parallel just comes down to personal preference on feel. Some prefer apples and some oranges. I think it will remain so, so manufacturers will probably continue to offer both. Both Hoyt (with Stratos) and Mybo (Revolution) appear to be trying to strike a compromise. What I did notice is that after long sessions with my SF XL, I could feel it more in my bow elbow, as the bow as some hand shock. Don't get that with my TRXs.

@theamazinggoldfish8713

Жыл бұрын

I have an 40 at. Target bow but with the weights and my shoulder issues, I think with my DL of only 26" I would prefer the Elite Envision. Saving for it now. 🏹🤠👍

@markovezmar5449

Жыл бұрын

Paralel is better for shore. 99% pro archers are sponsored... So.

@markovezmar5449

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasstanworth I tried Citatition 40 EM, and comparing to my TRX 40, Citation is jumping to much, I didnt felt constant and confortable, Citation is just juping to much forward, and I felt my TRX was more forgiving. I hope Steven will have chance to try Dominator duo with S2 and SE cams. P.S From my opinion ELITE VERDICT had chance to be ultimate target bow, but with interchangeable angle grip option, which they do not have. To ne precise, they had a oprutunuty to make ultimative target bow for the next couple years.

They do say that if you grabbing the bow right after you shoot that it can really influence the arrow and also if you shoot with a real stiff bow hand then it can affect your riser right to left so the way Stephen holds his hand 3 fingers out there they're really stretched out their tight But he does shoot really good like that as long as you could be consistent you know that is all thatmatters

Looked long on you actually.

I’m a little disappointed in it. Why don’t PSE produce a bow with Parallel limbs like all the other bow makers. Would Make for a better experience in the shot.

@liamboyle9199

Жыл бұрын

Shot feedback is important and a very target (proper target not just indoor shooting) thing to retain. I was just shooting a state championship on Sunday and because my Citation has proper feedback I knew to the millisecond I was going to hit a low 8/9 liner. Elite is a more 3D orientated company and that reflects their bow design. If you have a shooter like David Cousins on your staff, you're going to get a very classic design, in the same way Jesse Broadwater turned the Invicta into a more classic target bow.

@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale

Жыл бұрын

It depends on the Engineers and the feedback they get from pro shooters. But I think sales will drive bow design. Back a few years ago everyone was the bow should be made for the exact draw length to maximize performance. But that is not very flexible. I think the trend right now is shorter limbs, longer risers and more adjustability. I use to like PSE 2 piece quiver. Certainly interesting the Hoyt Stratos has rollers on the cable slide.

@theweekendarcher2056

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale I just think the price of all the top bows now are getting to the point that the every day archer can’t afford. People will either look for a second hand bow which I have done on a couple occasions or May be look to the Chinese which I also have done. I’m a newby when it comes to archery, have only been shooting for a couple years but in the time the prices have sky rocketed for not much gain. Like with the dominator, PSE has moved to a painted riser and removed some of the technology they had on previous bows but the price has increased.

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale And while Hoyt's new HBT cam is proving far more popular among pros than the DCX before it, quite a few are still going for the SVX cam (Mike Schloesser, Nico Wiener and Toja Ellison being examples that stood out at Yankton World Field Champs).

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

​@@liamboyle9199 I think there are highly subjective pros and cons and you can see that even Hoyt has flip-flopped a little on the feedback feature, probably because there will be advocates for both approaches. Re 3D, while faster hunting type bows do feature a little more in general use (often by people looking for smaller, cheaper or faster bows), the people on the podium are almost exclusively shooting the same target bows found on the target line, e.g. Supras, TRXs, Invictas etc. While I sometimes typically set my 3D bows up ever so slightly differently to target, I shoot the same bow and would do so irrespective of whether that is a TRX 40 (current bow) or Stratos 40, or RTX 40.They all shoot awesome, just feel a bit different in the process IMO.

Sanleader version will save u the stupidity tax

Hey Steve, I don't think they liked your bow hunting vid mate, the page was fully blank for me, so no link etc, I passed your other archery ban stuff from a while ago to the NSC, they are trying to work with other bow hunting groups on this political stunt as well, perhaps you could speak to them as well given your experience and are part of the industry? They are predominantly a firearm group, but recognize a slippery slope when they see one, they have also won several court challenges etc so it maybe worth a try

My goodness that thing is ugly.

@theweekendarcher2056

Жыл бұрын

😂

@maryanna3868

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree - ugly

@theweekendarcher2056

Жыл бұрын

I think it would look awesome in dark cherry red anodised with parallel limbs. Maybe red cams and white limbs. Magic.

@enrique6335

Жыл бұрын

I must be the only one that prefers a deflex riser. I see most of the hunting and some target bows with their reflex designs and just dislike most of them.

@thomasstanworth

Жыл бұрын

@@enrique6335 I am not sure, but I think the Dominator Duo 40 is only a slight reflex - certainly much less so than the Perform series.

PSE paint jobs are horrible! Bowtech paint jobs are just as bad! Both start to wear around the grips first! And whatever you do don’t bump them into something!

@liamboyle9199

Жыл бұрын

Good thing is not all the colour options are paint. Red, blue etc are the RTX finish

I Iike the Elite better