07:54 Niro EV has i-Pedal mode (One pedal driving) like Ioniq 5 and EV6. And you can use regen when you pulling paddle shifter too. Only HEV doesn't have i-Pedal.

According to the Niro EV owner's manual, the vehicle DOES have an i-Pedal mode. Here is the text from the manual page 6-15... "i-Pedal is controlled by the accelerator pedal. i-Pedal provides vehicle speed control (acceleration/deceleration, stopping) without manually controlling the paddle shifter. To operate: 1. Pull the left side paddle shifter to level 3 regenerative braking system. 2. Pull the left side paddle once again when the regenerative braking level is 3. Check i-Pedal indicator on the instrument cluster." To further complicate matters, page 6-14 of the manual describes "One pedal driving" which is what you were describing where you pull and hold the left paddle to slow the vehicle with max regen. Here is the info from the manual... "One pedal driving" The driver can stop the vehicle by pulling and holding the left side paddle shifter. To operate: - Pull and hold the left side paddle shifter while coasting. - When the vehicle speed is above 2 mph (3 km/h), release the paddle shifter to return to the previously set level." So, in essence, there are 2 modes of one-pedal operation via the left paddle shifter. i-Pedal: Pull and release left paddle until level 3 is indicated then pull and QUICKLY RELEASE it once more to enable/disable i-Pedal mode. One pedal driving: Pull and HOLD left paddle when in level 0..3 regen to slow the vehicle manually with max regen. There is also an "Auto" regen mode that is toggled on/off by holding the right paddle shifter. When enabled, the vehicle uses the front facing radar to automatically adjust the level of regen based on vehicle speed & distance to objects in front of the vehicle. There is a setting via the Infotainment screen where you set how strong the regen will be when in Auto mode. This vehicle ticks all the boxes for flexible regen operation and is one of the main reasons that I'm interested in it. Cheers!

To clarify, the $7,500 government incentive on new EVs is a tax credit, not a rebate. In order to get the full $7,500 on a qualifying EV (what qualifies is very confusing; check government websites on this), you must have at least $7,500 tax liability. So if you have less tax liability on your federal income tax return, you will only get as much credit as your liability. For many people, including me, that would be less than $7,500.

@TheLifetraveler1

Жыл бұрын

George,. So do you mean if I only owe $1,200 in taxes, I'm only going to get the credit of $1,200??? If that is correct I am glad you threw your two cents into the pot, cuz I was considering we getting and EV. Now I am not.

@CharlesCulp

Жыл бұрын

Not owed, but closer to total tax because that depends on how much you have withheld. The specific term is tax liability as George said, but it is total tax paid. Neither George nor I can tell you exactly your situation, but for a standard deduction it ends up being an income of about $47,000 or more for the full amount.

@TheLifetraveler1

Жыл бұрын

@@CharlesCulp Charles. As I am retired, with a smaller income. Pretty much whatever is withheld, is refunded to me at tax return time. So if I bought an EV, would I get the $7500 as an additional refund, or not? Please clarify, thanks.

@blakepeterson1977

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLifetraveler1 Google the difference between a refundable and non-refundable tax credit. The latter only offsets your tax liability. Your tax return shows your liability as total tax, line 24 on form 1040.

Really guys? The Niro EV is a hatchback!! No need to create a new category…come on guys…love my Niro EV BTW (2022). Sold two Teslas (3 and Y) and got this as my kids were learning to drive and the Tesla was off the table! We LOVE it!!! Best EV we’ve owned. We don’t do long trips, so no need for fast charging. Not sure why it’s only rated at 239 miles. We easily get over 300 in the best weather conditions. Right now in the winter, we’re getting about 245…still above the rating…We’ve had ZERO issues with it since we bought it. Perfect commuter and teenager car. And LOVE LOVE LOVE the paddles for regen adjusting. The one pedal option with the paddle is great. It’s like playing a video game…don’t miss the one pedal from my Teslas. FWIW, I previously had the PHEV version and didn’t care for it…clunky DCT, loud, and not much range, plus it sat lower…EV sits higher to fit the batteries. The double duty touch button row is the dumbest thing Kia has probably ever done…not sure why they did it. Thankfully, my 2022 doesn’t have that…all hard buttons! It’ll go away next iteration no doubt.

@toronado455

Жыл бұрын

i agree it's not that difficult to say what the category is. the genre has been around since the toyota matrix and first generation Ford Focus first came out. Basically tall hatchback.

@MUFC1933

4 ай бұрын

I knew I should a gone with Kia instead of being swayed by sexiness of a black MG4 SE SR supposed do 218 . I know it’s winter here (UK) but I haven’t been able to charge it up to 100%and it show more than 145 miles. Also it limited power when under 50% so a few times I’ve been on a bypass or motorway at top legal limit (70mph) and it’s suddenly says limited power and slows me right down to 49 then 20 something. Foot flat down on accelerator but won’t shift 😞 So Monday it’s booked in and I shall drive out in a brand New Kia Niro EV 2 Nav 73 plate - basic trim now has sat nav and another 10” screen instead of 7/8” screen. Also has phone sockets in front seats at side for rear passengers so I’m Looking forward to it as I went from a Kiwi Hyrbis to the MG4 so I know the ride and quality of it will be 100 X better than MG4. Scuse War and Peace but had to get it off my chest 😂

The panel is in every new Kia product not just Niro. You can set infotainment or climate to default so you don't need to check each time (check owners manual). Say infotainment is set as default, you only need to push to change climate. After a few seconds it switches back to default (infotainment). It's quite easy to set. They also include steering wheel controls for the system.

@MUFC1933

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for that 🙏 ❤

My current interest is with the plug-in hybrid version of the Niro. It seems to be a good compromise between the hybrid and full EV. Better acceleration than the hybrid, better range than the EV, and priced somewhere between the two others. Also, from other reviews I’ve seen it seems the extra weight of the larger battery gives it an edge handling wise over the hybrid only. Then, throw in the 30ish mile EV only range for short commutes and this is the version I would pick.

0:43 personally I find it really easy to define once you think of it this way "it's a kia soul that's one size bigger" so it's a practical focused, stylish, affordable hatchback, that's comfortable to get in and out of.

@roguedogx

Жыл бұрын

10:30 pretty sure it is.

EV reviews should have at least one EV owner on the panel. We have had a Niro EV since 2019. It is a great car and the 2023 has a bunch of improvements.

@wischfulthinking

Жыл бұрын

yah these people are way out of touch

That @20:00 clip is really bring me to a very important question. That is a great test if CR can do the same test with RWD, FWD, front biased AWD, rear biased AWD, full-time 4wd, part-time 4wd in 4 high, EV FWD, EV AWD (if possible with same tires make and model since you cannot have same size). As Mike said this is a very important test and should have its own episode like the winter tire episode you gave last time. Please please do a traction test for us the viewers.

Your staff MUST master the use of the regen paddles on the steering column. In warm weather (above 75 degrees) I get a real-world 340 miles in my Niro-EV on a full battery in Eco mode. You use the paddles to switch rapidly from coasting to regen-resistance and back every few seconds. Approaching a traffic light I click the left paddle once, twice, a third time (two second intervals) and then squeeze the hand-paddle and the car ABSOLUTELY will stop w/o you touching the brake pedal. With practice you will do it w/o thinking.

@xavierandreumas2332

6 ай бұрын

Hi! Do you get 340miles on the city? Thanks

Although SUVs often have standard AWD these days, I think it is a stretch to say a vehicle must have AWD or 4WD to be considered an SUV. Many SUVs on the road are FWD or RWD only, like the Ford Escape and Chevy Suburban for example.

You need to hold both paddles for a few seconds to engage i-pedals

It has 1 pedal driving/ You do a quick .5 second on the regen paddle then the i pedal shows on the screen/ It works

Great show, I always learn something watching your show.

I test drove a 2023 Niro EV this week and was quite impressed. Here in southern California dealers are asking $4,000 over MSRP, and the car isn't eligible for the $7,500 tax credit when you purchase it (rather than lease). Unfortunately, the Niro EV doesn't seem to be a particularly good value right now.

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

10 months later and you can buy a used 2023 Niro EV for around $28k-30k nearly a 50% depreciation due to being a mid rangeg battery (150-240 miles on a full charge) and not qualifying for those EV tax credits.

The capacitive touch buttons get easier after the first week of ownership. You can also long press either button and it will allow you to select the default mode, radio or HVAC.

Thank you for the review, as a ‘22 Niro EV owner I’m quite interested in the updates on the ‘23’s. A couple of thoughts to respond to in your discussions: Why a Niro over an Ionic 5? The Niro is significantly more efficient, often 1 mi/kwh or more better than the Ionic 5. While the Ionic has a larger battery to make up for this, at an auto show I attended recently the Niro EV had a longer EPA range than the EV6 on display (just verified this on their website too) despite a battery 13 kwh larger. Yes, certain versions of the EV6 have more range but overall effiecincy is lower in the EV6 and its sister car the nearly identical Ionic 5 (which is even less efficient than the EV6 from tests I’ve watched) One more point, a front wheel drive EV in the snow uphill…the weight shift while climbing moves that EV weight advantage to the rear and I’ve had a dicey situation or two where I wasn’t sure if I would have enough momentum and traction to get to the top of the hill. I did thankfully, but from what I hear from RWD Tesla model S owners, they perform very well climbing in the snow because weight is on their side in that specific instance. (I have Blizzak’s on my Niro EV)

Grew up on rear wheel drive cars. Till 1987. Bought an old ford fiesta. It worked ok in the snow but so tiny! Loved my Mazda protoge. But now seek out rear or all wheel drive (grew up in upstate ny)

@LlyleHunter

Жыл бұрын

The rest of the country hits a patch of black ice and screams holy $)(1!. Upstate New Yorkers hit a patch of black ice and say Hold my coffee and watch this!

Good show thanks 👍

One of my cars is a Ford C-max Energi PHEV. There was a Niro that parked in the charging parking lot with me. I found the dimensions nearly identical. These cars, as you said, are in a class by themselves. Almost a sweet spot. But from a styling standpoint, many find them lumpy, or ugly. One advantage I found in my Ford is the easy step in and out, making it a great shuttle for people with mobility challenges. As mentioned, the full electric version may not be as accessible.

2:13 also fyi the UK is having a Horizon version Niro which will sit between the one I’m getting (previous post) and the EV3 with heated stuff .

These CR editors all seem reluctant to buy an EV. Not sure why, but the comment “I don’t want to worry about charging” is a good hint. I think some or all of them have off-street parking and therefore could install an L2 wall connector. Therefore charging would be easy and they truly would not have to think about it at all. I never even look at my SOC display, I just drive the car where ever I want an plug in at the end of the day. So, it is the road trips that are keeping these three editors from buying an EV. For CCS EVs, there can be “charge anxiety” with CCS chargers being out of order or not enough stalls to service the EV traffic. This shows the genius of Tesla’s supercharger network and their commitment to maintain it with high uptime and to keep expanding it faster than the traffic demand. The result is minimum “charge anxiety” for Tesla drivers, with the exception of holiday traffic requiring waiting for an open stall. Even in the latter case, with 8, 12, 20, or even 50 stalls the wait for one to open up is usually short. Hopefully Tesla will indeed open up their supercharger network to CCS EVs, as they already have in Europe. That should fix the “charge anxiety” issue for all EVs.

When was the last time a car got the acutal rated EPA mileage?

Is charging network factored in at all in the Overall Score of an EV? If not, can CR at least rate Tesla vs. non-Tesla charging network reliability? Seems huge and odd that Overall Score would not take this into account.

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

Out of Spec Reviews and Out of Spec Charging KZread channels already address this side of the EV situation.

I think it's also worth mentioning that electric motors can adjust power/torque instantly and many times per second in response to traction conditions. This is a substantial improvement over ICE vehicles that rely on ABS based traction control alone. I've driven my rear-wheel drive Model 3 in the snow (with proper tires) and it's response to the conditions and loss of traction is astonishingly fast and effective.

Regen is great in the winter, too.

The 24 has a hitch for a heavy duty bike rack?

12:40 - talking about switching back and forth on that panel. Seems like they could have a dedicated button on the steering wheel for that switching. press a button on the steering wheel that is easy to get muscle memory for and you don't have to take your eyes off the road as much.

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

There are two buttons on the steering wheel that you can program to do any function that you want.

Ryan, look up traction control. EV's tend to have excellent traction control, so there is no issue with spinning tires off the line. Tesla's actual include a slip start option, to allow more slip in low traction conditions.

Monty is the type of host that high-fives his own unintentional quips :) Why is Ford, GM, and Stellantis so slow to bring out EVs while Kia has one hit after another?

What!! Jennifer not in the driver's seat?!? Great presentation!

Love the new hair, Jen!

As an EV owner, I can't get enough information on tires. Please, more EV-centric tire reviews, including comprehensive rolling resistance tires. In Europe, rolling resistance is one part of the ratings.

Why didn't you check out the Niro PHEV as part of your review ? I find that model more interesting.

I think Consumer Reports should consider doing a subscribers-only podcast. Put it behind a paywall and give us a lot more detailed information.

8:01 fyi it does have ipedal in the EV2 now anyway 👍

The Niro is exactly what a bolt is, a budget hatchback ev

@mikus4242

Жыл бұрын

But the Bolt is a ton lower cost.

@JBRion22

Жыл бұрын

…and the Niro is quite a bit larger.

Please do a BlueCruise video. When Sandy Munro tested BlueCruise, it would only stay in a highway lane for short distances and would disengage at the slightest curve. CR just rated it #1. Thanks!

how does it compare to the hyundai kona ev ?

@wischfulthinking

Жыл бұрын

significantly more cargo room

The climate media can be set to revert to your favourite setting. As I don’t charge the temperature I set it to media so when I defogger the window it reverts to media. 👍🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤠

Niro EV has both i-pedal mode and snow mode which reduces initial the torque and accelleration curves.

Cost vs value Nero EV vs Bolt EUV?

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

MSRP for a new 2023 NiroEV ranges from US$41,000 to US49,000 mostly based upon the trim level as there are few options. But used 2023 Niro EV's are going for much less in December 2023.

I have the 2018 hybrid. It's been an excellent product. Nothing fancy, but comfortable, reliable and very economical.

@esehn6972

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I like it a lot.

@newchannel1220

Жыл бұрын

assembled by child labor. enjoy!!! Child workers found throughout Hyundai-Kia supply chain in Alabama😂😂😂😂😂

My new Niro EV got I-pedal, so I don't get why yours don't?

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

Their's does, they just didn't read the manual to know how to activate it.

Jen, nice to see ya back, Live!! I think you were a bit excited though. Be the guest. The sheer amount of yups and rights was a little distracting.

I think model Y is the way to go.

So glad he has the sniffles and came in to work to share with the microphones

Not enough time spent on the engine/transmission tech. Kia’s PHEV and HEV use a DCT transmission, which have been an issue for Kia. I wouldn’t trust them. The EV avoids that. Something to consider. They need to develop an eCVT tech with a planetary gear set if they want to keep the efficiency but increase reliability.

15:59. Jennifer who cares about hybrids doing 53 miles gallon when EVs can do 100+ miles per gallon (equivalent)?

@toronado455

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a bit confusing. I think what Jennifer is saying is she's not in the market for an EV. So her choices are between a traditional gasoline vehicle that is more powerful, and a hybrid that gets 53 MPG.

Listen mate my MG4 doesn’t have a rear wiper so anything will be better than that 😂😂 9:05

Niro Hybrid over EV because . . . good mpgs (50+), able to drive long distances (e.g., 500 miles) on a tank of gas, and only need to refuel within a few minutes to be able to continue on your journey. No sitting around for 30 to 45 minutes charging to be able to drive another 200 to 250 more miles. EVs are nice if you only need to charge at home (while paying your increased utility bill) and only drive locally.

@L3x4Pr0ne

Жыл бұрын

It’s all about use case. If this is your only car, absolutely go with the hybrid…if this is your work commuter, kid-activity otter, and weekend warrior to Home Depot car, this is an excellent option.

It sounds like they are actually guessing that the electric cars will work the same as gas powered cars. All I know is that both the FWD and RWD cars won't climb the mountain I live on in CT, which is 650 feet tall (and I live on top). When I had FWD cars like the Honda Accord and Saab 9-3 with snow tires, I could not get home on unplowed roads. I doubt any of these electric cars will either (maybe the AWD ones). I know my neighbors who do have one car that is electric, they don't drive them in the snow as they are afraid they won't get home. They drive their gas cars instead.

@gregpalmer9949

Жыл бұрын

You have to back up a front wheel drive car to get up a steep slope. The different angle shifts the weight to the drive wheels.

@Buc_Stops_Here

Жыл бұрын

@@gregpalmer9949 Wish it was true but it doesn't work. The problem is not when the grade is 4 to 5 percent, it is the really steep grade of 10/11 percent that happens at a certain point on three of the four roads that go to the top of our mountain. As I stated, both FWD and RWD cars even with snow tires and 6 inches of snow have no hope climbing our mountain. I have walked home with that configuration. Never again.

How has the lack of its qualification for the newest tax credit hampered its sales volume….

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

It has hit the resale value really hard. Used 2023 Niro EV's are going for $28k-30k when the MSRP was from $41k-49k.

Why would an EV require break-in miles?

@howardmarkert8150

6 ай бұрын

It doesn't, they are just doing it to be consistant with their testing (likely for braking distance).

Niro is a hatch with an inch higher clearance and wheel fender cladding because people are dumb enough to pay more for a CUV.

pretty scathing

I own a 2019 Kia hybrid. I like the car. It gets 55 mph as long as I stay away from agressive driving. However, I will never buy another KIA product because the service is BAD. It is worse than bad. This is the most money gouging operation going.

@JBRion22

Жыл бұрын

William, that is unfortunate, I’ve had Hyundai’s since 2008 and now a Kia Niro EV and the service has been excellent. Maybe you have a bad dealer?

Niro would fall into the lost category the c-max and prius v fell into....good cars that get lost in manufacturers product mix.

Or move to California and install earthquake tires

Too chatty for my taste. Too long.

Maybe everyone take your Xanax before making your video. Seems like no one wants to wait for a person to finish talking.

Hyundai/Kia is a horrible company. I'll never buy any of their products, and I was born in Seoul.

@JBRion22

Жыл бұрын

I have a Hyundai Veracruz and put 120K on a Sonata Hybrid, and now have a Niro EV. All have been reliable, performed well and and have been fantastic cars.

@RobertLeBlancPhoto

Жыл бұрын

@@JBRion22 Your single experience means virtually nothing when compared with the hundreds of thousands of others who have been wronged by this company.

That's one ugly car.