Would you buy the M1000RR or the S1000RR?

@TheMotociclist

10 ай бұрын

I will buy the gsxr 1000 or the new Hayabusa . And some cash left for a long travel all the way to Japan…..

@DJSixty

10 ай бұрын

S1000RR. MRR don't make sense for street use or occasional trackday. And I love having electronic suspension for the road; the comfort is unbelievable for this type of bike

@weatherproof1

10 ай бұрын

I'd go with a Ducati V4R if spending M1000RR money, so most likely the S1000RR.

@einzelganger0

10 ай бұрын

I bought the new S1K because I think it’s the best value high end liter bike for sale currently. But if I could justify it, I would get the M just because it’s a cool feat of engineering beauty

@abymathew295

10 ай бұрын

S1000RR...😍

Love how Michael is so humble. Compares himself to the likes of you and me when he has probably ridden every sports bike known to man at an amazing level at some of the best circuits in the world. On top of that the guy races bikes. It wasn’t that long ago that we had to buy magazines to find out how good a bike was, now we just click on KZread and a pro like this is giving us more information than we could ever have imagined. Great times and great bikes.

@myaccount6905

10 ай бұрын

Nicely said 👍

@simonsteven1427

10 ай бұрын

By a gp mini b4 I bought 1 of these

@dottore46full

9 ай бұрын

How come Neevsy changed Arai for Shoei ?

@myaccount6905

9 ай бұрын

@@dottore46full noticed that too ☺️

Love your honesty "get the Ducati" in a BMW review. You don't hear that every day. Me? I'll keep riding my '16 R1M and don't wanna even try this or the V4R. Cuz then I'd be broke.

2024 will be very interesting, to see what a rider of Toprak's level can extract from this machine, hopefully Bmw improve for next year, really wannna see them win

@brentbartley6838

10 ай бұрын

I have high hopes for Toprak on it. The bike has potential. In MotoAmerica (WSBK based tech rules) this year Cameron Baubier returned from Moto2 and was immediately fast and a title contender on the M1000RR and if not for some bad luck and injury, was capable of winning the championship. The bike was every bit as fast as the Panigale V4R ridden by Josh Herrin at the faster tracks, they absolutely walked the Yamahas on the long straights. Next season I would not be surprised if Beaubier wins the title. With Toprak's talent hopefully they can improve the bike in WSBK and show what that bike is capable of.

@selcukcilek555

10 ай бұрын

@@brentbartley6838 Same thought here. Today Gerloff scored second fastest times in Fp1 and FP 2 at Magny-Cours. With Kawasaki and Ducati P1 in both sessions. Let's see what Toprak can do with it.

@ishamkader2696

7 ай бұрын

BMW inline 4 vs famous v4

@Liam-vh8bz

2 ай бұрын

Well Toprak's doing well now on a BMW M1000RR

Always loved the S1000 since it came onto the scene in 2010. I just can’t see the value over the standard S1000RR but some people out there will still buy the M version for bragging rights.

Not only are his videos always a pleasure to watch, several times or more, but I think Michael is unique among mainstream reviewers in actually riding to and from the track I love the edited 360 degree footage in this video. Great sound and video all around.

Saw one of these at a local track day and man does it look good in person. Of course the S1000 is more than enough of for us mere mortals, but the M certainly ticks the box for just being cooler than the sum of its parts

I love it. The engine is epic. Sounds great too with a full system on it. Great coverage as always Micheal ❤

It is absolutely nuts that you can buy this and ride it on the road. What a machine!

I could never afford one, but to me it’s the most beautiful bike you can get. They nailed it in the looks department 😍

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

I still think the 2019 released m package s1000RR is the best looking. Not a fan of those wings on either the new M or RR and they are pointless for the road rider if they only become relevant at 180mph. Those front wheel covers also spoil the looks and again useless for the road rider if they are only useful over 150mph.

Excellent video as ever. Not a fan of 4s normally but that sounds absolutely incredible.

£36k blows my mind…but then I’m not the target audience for this bike.

@genemounce8302

10 ай бұрын

That Duck V4R is $45,000USD. lol craaaaazy money !

@Farsightful

10 ай бұрын

haha so relatable !

@wearymicrobe

10 ай бұрын

I am the target customer and I have no idea how they sell it this cheap. If I had a used s1000rr from a few years back and 20k I could not build a bike this good. Unfortunately I would get passed by a wera rider on a prepped 400 in the corners with my skill set.

@hlpang1075

10 ай бұрын

Imagine if you crash or drop it….

@wearymicrobe

10 ай бұрын

@@hlpang1075 I have you should see some of the wrecks racing I have had over the years. I like these bikes I really do, I aspire to be able to ride them to 70%+ of what the are capable of. I could write a few of these off a season and it would hurt but not kill me. But I know my limits on track and stay around 80hp with really good tires.

Great review as always mate 👍

Got alot of trust in those tyres with that kind of lean..such an experienced rider

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

I think those are the Michelin's that come standard - a bit low end for such a bike I would have thought. I prefer the alternative Metzelers but you don't get to decide when ordering - just luck of the draw what tyres are on it when its delivered. My Sik thankfully came with the Metzelers.

Can’t wait to own a Ducati

@drsrsv8884

7 ай бұрын

It's nice to have something to aspire to! What Ducati will you buy?

I saw that bike in Dallas few weeks ago and it's really piece of art

Great review and a nice dream bike. As for me I LOVE my Suzuki’s, my L0 Gixxer 750 & my 2019 Suzuki Katana- they both are MY superbikes and constantly make me smile 😊 Thanks for the review 👍

@motorcyclenewsdotcom

10 ай бұрын

Good choice!

Michael after your wise words about chicken strips is was impressive to see how you shredded the rear on a cold day without warmers.😊🎉 The front also looked used out to the edge which is something I can't do on my RSV-4. So I'm going to pretend that was due to the low pressure cold running more than high speed corner entry and talent 😄.. Thanks for your video. It was awesome.🎉🏁🍾

Michael is the best reviewer of all, the best.

Great video. What a machine!

@motorcyclenewsdotcom

10 ай бұрын

It sure is!

The reason I like Neeves is that he says stuff like “Hollowed out light feel” and you know exactly what he means

Michael is a True legend!

2023 has done great in racing. Josh brooks as a hand full of wins and a lot of podiums. Cam in Moto America would of had the championship but missed a bunch of races do to injury. Hickman set the all out Isle Of Man TT lap record on his M1000 Super stock machine. The bike is extremely good.

Such an awesome and detailed review. Just to make things clear, i am driving a Kawa Z800e from 2015 with less then 100 bhp, naked bike. So ... i can't even imagine how insane this bike feels. But due to your review i kinda know, what level of performance there is build into this bike. And it's beautiful as well. Thank you very much! Love from from Germany.

Great video! geez what a beautiful bike. The super bikes are all beautiful works of art, aren't they? If I had to choose? The BMW very day. Best!

All the respect for the brand, but for me, Gsxr 1000 is more beautiful . Maybe im not the only one, having this opinion.❤❤❤

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

Yes I agree but woefully underdeveloped by Suzuki - is it still even for sale in Europe?

This bike is doing well in WSBK races with that Turkish rider against a horde of Ducatis. That's all I needed to know.

Love the review, M1000RR is on the list. Would be cool to see a back to back with this and the v4r (yes, I've seen your V4r video). Now, which shoei is that, and how is the airflow?

Thanks for the video. Had a 2012 and have a 2020 S1krr M and will definitely stick with S1krr for the next gen can't beat the value for mortals Track day riders like me. If they make the M1000rr a semi active suspension then I would think about it a little harder.

Great review as always, the best explanations for us, normal riders, and always honest conclusion. I had 2022 S1000RR M and before alse 2020 Ducati Panigale V4. Totally different bikes, BMW was perfect for city and road trip, ducati had heating between legs like a barbecue, low rpm like you drive drill, but, I still prefer Ducati. Any how, both are top end in their class. Regards from Belgrade.

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

So why did you sell such a new S1000RR?

@dejannastic1104

8 ай бұрын

@@Lar308 I bough Ducati Panigale V2 Bayliss Edition, right for my skill, easy to ride, handling Is amazing, suspension great, braking great, still heating issues but not as dramatic as the V4. Power delivery Is ok but far away from V4 or S1000rr. Really good bike.

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

@@dejannastic1104 Oh cool - I bought the same bike last year 😎- my production number is 861.

@dejannastic1104

8 ай бұрын

@@Lar308 Great, my is 3380, delivered in March to me.

It's a lovely bit of kit but in the real world going for a pint to a lovely country pub or ride to the coast. It's just over the top for me. If you got plenty of money and want to do track days I'm sure it's great.

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

Those bikes are a pig to ride on narrow country roads with sharp 180 degree bends - just haven't got enough turning circle. I tried it once on my S1K - never again.

Fantastic review Brother 🤎🤎.Love from Bangladesh

@motorcyclenewsdotcom

10 ай бұрын

Thanks a ton

Great review

Win on Sunday, sell on Monday, that’s what BMW wants. However, I don’t think BMW has a problem with that because here in the USA, the road is saturated with S 1000 RR’s.

Great Video..!

Looks amazing but I still have love for the older gens. Bang for buck a mapped gen3 is not far off on power. Probably saying this as I don't have 36k for a bike 😂

@christopherwheatley7845

10 ай бұрын

True though especially if you fit bst carbon wheels

@damienwood1414

10 ай бұрын

@@christopherwheatley7845 I would love some. 👍🏻

Waiting for the M 1000XR with this basic motor--while I enjoy my Ducati Pikes Peak V4. Will a "screamer" motor do the two-up touring job where roll on in-gear torque is the thing?

I thought I was over inline 4s, but I got to ride the BMW M1000R this past June and I was really impressed - what a great feeling package, from the engine to the handling. Given that the brakes and suspension on this RR seem to be excellent ... are Brembo and Ohlins components more than status symbols? Do they outperform what's on the RR? And from another angle, is BMW justified in charging that much for a bike with components that aren't top shelf (even if only in price)?

@jeffestrada6857

10 ай бұрын

Great question. I LOOOVE inline 4 cylinder bikes. I look forward to a response to your question

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

I can only speak for a 2021 S1000RR m package but the brakes on that bike are just awesome and by far the best of all my bikes. The brembos on my 2022 V2 Bayliss are a bit spongey but good although the brembos on my Thruxton R are pretty amazing too - but not as good as the BMW.

You have no idea how badly I want to make a 100% replica of the Woodlands Circuit (if I remember the name correctly) from Cadwell in my neighborhood. Fantastic little loop, I could whip around that short track all day.

I LOOVE this bike ❤.

Hello Mike lovejoy here the face book warrior 😂 iv got one as road bike and it is fantastic to ride but iv found riding it a bit swiftly on the rd it felt a bit soft iv set the front up on number 7 on both legs what a difference it goes into corners like it's on rails

Why no coverage / mention of consumables and parts replacement costs? Does it not apply if one has the deep pockets to purchase this? Appreciate your work across the board! Thanks.

You’re WELCOME!!! for 1K view!! Great info!! Possibly might GET RID OF MY ‘KRAPASAKI ZX10’ for this 2024 version in usa. Possibly! Cheers to all good people and thanks again

Great review Shoei ? 😮😄

Really surprised they didnt run a full system. If the difference is a tenth here or there, thats enough to give you that over an entire lap, easily. I'm talking in isolation. Of course, competitors will be able to do the same, so you're not any further ahead. But if you're taking your own bike to a trackday and want more speed, thats an easy way to get it.

Neevesy with a Shoei helmet?! Craziness!!

You simply CANNOT drop this bike 😅 impressive machine!

what a beautifull piece of engineering. Typical BMW raising the game yet again. Brilliant. What a looker as well.

The winglet scarred the look of this bike😅😅😅

That Ram air intake is monstrous. No doubt. Period ❤

From where does Neevesy gets his helmet painted... It looks absolutely beauuuuuutiful..😍🥰😍😍

If your a track guy without a van to get the bike to the track and you’ve got the coin then this is perfect.

For the first time I've noticed you rode with Shoei!

Very nice👌❤️

Nice ultimate riding machine

Beautiful but imagine dropping it on its right side, carbon fiber wing and the Akra shatters together with the bank account 😅

She looks a beaut.Wish I had the means to own one.Thks.

So brentuning said they pretty much neutered the bike electronically something that BMW really hasn't done before.. that sucks bc now you have to pay someone a lot of money to tune the bike properly when before most people would have been fine with the performance they were getting

It’s beautiful, but (money in the bank or not) I’m not sure I’d trust myself to ride one properly at a track… and it’s way too expensive & fast to just show off on the road.

Hi Mick This would be a classics review comparing the BMW M 1000 RR VS. Ducati Panigale V4 SP2 OR BMW M 1000 R VS. Ducati Streetfighter V4 SP2 that way both have pretty well the same extra carbon bits

no english racetrack will ever beat donington. and in my opinion at least, cadwell is tight and narrow. more for a 600cc SS bike. but the new M1000RR is wicked.

Extra preload on the front then for the bumps at high speed 😮

Just a good dream

what are the differences between this model and the last model besides aesthetics?

I just want the fairings tbh 😂

Looks like they adopted the Alpha Racing Fairings.

All that “aero” to test and you left the “air brake” on the back under the taillight 😉.

💯

Why did you switch from Arai to shoei

Can you make an aquatic version of the Speed Sausage?

I have an SL1299, its no use and wasted on the road, now got the Xtrenta because I see little point of these bikes on the road, my 749 is more than enough road power.

you say its no good at racing, but look at how it dominates the TT. I agree though that the price against the Ducati make that a more appealing option

@C--A

10 күн бұрын

The BMW M 1000 RR (a specially tuned version) is top of WorldSBK championship standings with TopRak. It's a beast of a bike in the right hands for racing!

❤

Had a 2019 S1000RR, was £17.5k, inflation puts a new model out of reach, so a new bike... no...

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

Even the new S1k is not as good value now as the previous generation - on the m carbon wheels are now an expensive option? Open to correction here?

Holy moly, where's the Arai??

Beautiful but way outside my price range and riding capability. 👍

Next BMW M1000R track day review!?

B/S. These are proper road legal tires. They work in cold and warm conditions. No tire warmers are needed.

36k and still no rad or oil cooler guard…

@EscapePlan97

4 ай бұрын

That is a bit disappointing.

Will this bike get the same treatment like how the HP4 is receiving now….

great vid

Great review. No b.s

Plz do comparison with v4r

No jumping the mountain Neevsey??? 🤪

Serious question. With the aerodynamics designed for downforce, and to aid in keeping the front wheel down for acceleration... What effect do those aerodynamics have were you to wheelie with the electronic aids turned off? Is there a wheelie angle where those aerodynamics start working against you and start to produce excessive lift?

@dacat8171

9 ай бұрын

Serious answer: these wings are only there for marketing purposes. They do not reduce wheelie tendency. This bike costs more than a Ducati. You need to have unique selling points, why customers should pay 36 grand for this bike. One is the enormous F1 style front wing.

@8iker

9 ай бұрын

@@dacat8171... They do do something as they produce 22.6kg of downforce. Admittedly at around top speed. So it's not just marketing guff, there's some performance benefit there.

@dacat8171

9 ай бұрын

@@8iker Ouh, 22.6 kg at 312(?) km/h!?!? Usually engine torque has long gone when top speed is reached and therefore wheelie tendency should not be an issue anymore. To me it is therefore only marketing. High down force at top speed is a requirement from a F1 car, but not for a race bike. At the Tourist Trophy 2023 campaign the BMW front wheel took off on every section where other bikes without front wings took off, too.

@8iker

9 ай бұрын

@@dacat8171 ... I get all that, I really do. I ride a ZZR1400. I had one that I achieved 205mph on, so I understand what happens to a bike at very high speeds. But none of this answers the question of "is there a point where (if you were to wheelie) those aerodynamic aids become counter to downforce and produce lift because their angle of attack?"

@dacat8171

9 ай бұрын

@@8iker Uuuups, I missed answering your major concern. Yeah, there must be an angle of attack, when the foil produces lift. Only BMW knows the 'Lift(alpha) curve' of that device. Of course you could also perform some experiments in your backyard wind tunnel with the front wing mounted. Where have you got those 22.6 kg from? That source may have some further details. I assume that these devices have not got a future. They look sophisticated, but that is it.

I still think this bike is just for people with more money than sense and those that just want the bragging rights - well OK I could not afford one so I am a bit jealous so I will have to stick with my 100% reliable (so far) 2021 S1000RR m package.

Would you take this over the Panigale SP2?

If I was gonna spend this much I'm going with Ducati. I never would spend this much though, so the S 1000RR for half the cost and nearly the same performance makes way more sense.

@C--A

10 күн бұрын

The BMW M 1000 RR would smoke the BMW S 1000 RR at any track! But if you're just riding on the road normally then the extra performance won't really matter. Though if you have the money the BMW M 1000 RR would be as close as you will get to the leading bike in WorldSBK - TopRak specially tuned version of the BMW M 1000 RR...

What’s your best lap time ?

Had the opportunity to sit on it and if I'd go back to track riding and money wasn't an issue, that would be my choice.

And don't even have a Öhlins and Brembo??? I have a 2021 S1000RR and some of my friends got a 2022 but they replaced the BMW shocks with Öhlins and the difference is like Day and night

unreachable bike, true fact

It's like a 2020+ Panigale V4 and a S1000RR had a baby.

All that precision aero cancelled out by having a number plate the size of a tea tray bolted on the arse end. England has the biggest number plates on the planet right?

@Lar308

8 ай бұрын

Seems so - even in Ireland which copies the UK's every move (except Brexit) lets us ride around in small motorbike number plates.

Looks like Ducati are the only ones that make attractive exhaust cans

The price is nonsense for a motorbike so can't see them selling many in the UK...unless you have more money than sense of course

Neevesy is my hero. 😂😂. I got into bikes almost a decade ago, I started doing track days & got into amateur racing. I still love watching his reviews.

Yes Neevsy is normal like you and me but he's not normal on a bike 😅

Riding this on road is like riding F1 car on road, it is just ridiculous with those bigass wings 😂

I guess that absurdly large, iPad like, registration plate adds downforce to the rear tyre? 😂