When it looks so nice & drives so well why the need for radical change? Doesn’t make sense - so much more attractive than comparable BMW/Mercs etc. Also too much change dates the previous models a lot!

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Agree to an extent but the sales figures state differently unfortunately:(

@raffaeledestro5776

Жыл бұрын

Sales are dropping because Giulia is just ICE and therefore has no taxation benefits (unlike even mild hybrids).

@bh2155

10 ай бұрын

I don't know if that is true in the United States. People are still buying alot of ICE Mercedes and BMW. You rarely see AR. For a brand that is not selling well they can not afford to have the same basic looking sedan on the market for 7 years. They should have completely redesigned this car for 2023.

As an giulia owner for the last 4 years, I don’t think there being washed out at all. It’s easy for people to say who don’t own one or have owned one. Still the best looking saloon on the road. I think a lot of problems come from the typical ‘Alfa aren’t reliable’. Never had an issue with my 2 over the years. I’m glad there’s not heaps on the road like bmw/Mercedes/Audis. There all missing out without a doubt.

@1970borntorun

10 ай бұрын

Especially here in California, where all you see are Bimmers, AUDI and all the boring, overrated, "Vacuum-on-wheels" Tesla vehicles.

@jaymahabir9966

8 ай бұрын

I usually don't care about what reviewers write especially in the USA. They have shot down Alfa's especially the Giulia since 2017. They complain about virtually every thing. It is almost like they get paid by the Germans to do that. Anyway, I am on my 8th Alfa. My current 2023 Giulia Veloce has not skipped a beat as yet.

Going to echo everyone else as someone who recently got an Estrema (carbon bits, adaptive suspension, darker wheels). It’s a shame there isn’t an in between 6 cylinder engine. I need AWD so Quad isn’t really an option, and it’s a lot of money. The perfect car would be a Giulia with 350-400hp in a great sounding V6. If we’re really talking, a Giulia sport wagon with a V6.

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Sport wagon yes please!

@GITSSAC

Жыл бұрын

You can always get the car tuned for increased horse power

@AP-cc1uw

Жыл бұрын

@@GITSSAC yes I added an ECU and it’s been great

Still the best saloon car, nice review.

Who gives a damn about the reversing camera? Talk about an issue we care about. I agree, however, that Alfa should have more and sooner with the facelift. Why would the company have invested all that money in this excellent platform and then ignored it? Makes no sense except that its visionary (Marchioni) has passed away.

I don’t think Stellantis has given up on the Giulia. It just hasn’t finished it’s lifecycle yet. If you look at Alfa’s sisterbrand Maserati, they are now in the mids of converting their models to electric. Maseratis models are about 3 years ahead of Alfa in the product cycle so to me it makes total sense that the Giulia and Stelvio would reach that stage a few years later.

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Let’s hope so 🙌

@marantamil459

Жыл бұрын

Maserati isn't the sister brand. Lancia and DS is.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

@@marantamil459 Lancia and DS are Europe-only brands, while Maserati is sold all over the world, as is Alfa.

@marantamil459

Жыл бұрын

@@rlsedition You don't know what a sister brand is m8.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

@@marantamil459 Neither of those two brands is sold in the US, so as far as I'm concerned, they don't exist.

Just purchased a 2022 model. Disappointed with the camera. My Peugeot expert van has a much better camera. But that aside , best car I’ve ever driven and owned. I’ll just ignore the camera and enjoy the driving experience 😁

Nice review. I've driven the same Giulia Competition: it's such a pleasant car, with a great driving experience. And the design is so beautiful! You are right about the poor quality of the reversing camera, but who really cares when you buy an Alfa?

Another great video Stef. I've always wondered about the difference in price between this and the quadrafoglio. £30k? But at the end of the day, this isn't a step down, as in a poorer engine ruining a great car, but a good engine in a great car?

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Yep as a platform the Giulia is great, always been a fan or how it drives and the 280bhp engine is still good and it’s great fun to drive

@hollowtian6148

Жыл бұрын

From what I understand, the difference on chassis between QV and Giulia is very little. The QV doesn’t get a wide body like BMW M car does. And base Giulia already has the carbon fiber driveshaft.

The Giulia followed the same path as the 147, 156, Mito and Giulietta - all 10 year+ models with minor tweaks. The 939 Series Alfas would have been too but for the GM elements, and were killed at 6 years, many say too early. The Giulia is an utterly sensational car, I'm on my 3rd - the new Competizione looked great, BUT. Now they are so expensive and lease deals slashed, I bought a used Giulia Quadrifoglio instead. And SO glad i did!!!! WHAT a car - we won't see the same again. Get them while you can.

Hey Stef! Great video, as always. Alfa freak myself. We recently purchased a Maserati Grecale Trofeo - we’ve been trying for over four years to test drive a QV (both Stelvio and Guilia) to no avail for where we live (central Scotland). We then looked at buying German cars, then Maserati. Masser is good, but can’t get the Guilia QV out of my head, or heart. Just don’t think I’m a suv person in all honesty. Anyhoo, going on a bit here. What worried me was your comments about the Guilia and lack of interest from Alfa themselves. We all know Guilia will change/be removed over the next few years, but now having Grecale I think we would be moving out of it in 12mths time, with the view to buying a QV - either a demo or nearly new with the spec hubby and I want. I’m just not sure if this will be an option now 🤷‍♀️???? What are your thoughts?

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

I think you can’t go wrong with a QV. I just won’t expect anything majorly different from the 2023 model when it’s release other than new headlights. But I may be proved wrong 🙌 the original Giulia is incredible as a drivers car so don’t worry there

I guess being a little pedantic, the Veloce Ti was the step before the Quadrifoglio and that was closer to the Competizione in price . So in some respects it feels like you’re getting less . I loved the Veloce I had on lease , Misano Blue , Yellow callipers , it was the dogs nuts 💙 💛

Thanks, enjoyed this video. Very matter-of-fact and clear.The Giulia has a lot stacked against it, especially at the price. When I bought my Veloce in 2020, the list price was just under £40,000 which means the road tax is tiny but now the prices are about 50 K they’re in the higher road tax bracket. It’s small things like that which might put people off upgrading to the new model, it has for me. The infotainment upgrades are not much to worry about, if you’ve got Apple play it’s probably good enough. The worst things about this car are lack of dealerships, the mpg is never anywhere near 37 mpg, more like 25. Apart from having to press the damned Engine cut-off switch every time I start it up and the loud beeps when you unlock the door it’s very close to a perfect car.

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Yep I think they made it so good first time round unless they do something significantly different to it I don’t see many owners upgrading to this model personally.

@peterf46

Жыл бұрын

@@StefABtv spot on! That’s the problem when they create an almost perfect car at the beginning.👍

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

@@peterf46 No car (not one) is perfect, so let's get that out of the way. Both Giulia and Stelvio have needed a midlevel engine offering since the beginning (like a 350 HP single-turbo V6?) to be competitive.

@COSSIE1970

Жыл бұрын

You can get an aftermarket switch (plug and play) which will stop you having to keep pressing the stop/start button .

@peterf46

Жыл бұрын

@@COSSIE1970 thanks for the info. I’ll definitely look it up.👍

There are reports that the Stellantis group will launch an all-new Alfa Giulia in 2025 so they're not giving up! More positive news according to the source: Auto Express Alfa Romeo is now ranked 5th best manufacturer in the UK 2023!

I currently on a 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia, TI all wheel drive. I do love it but I really wish that with the 2023 updates they would’ve added a bit more horsepower and torque. The car is overall a great package, but it can really use another 10-15 hp/ tq to be a better in between to the quadrifoglio. I’m aware there are modifications to add a bit more power but I’m sure that will easily void your warranty

@blasphemicwhale

7 ай бұрын

Well, you don’t have a warranty anymore on your car anyways. Time for a Squadra tune ;)

still the best looking saloon car you can buy

My current 2020 Giulia Veloce will be at the end of it's lease deal in January 2024 and I intended to upgrade to a new Giulia. However, the cost increase of the car together with higher APR rates has simply priced me out of the market. A real shame. I've been driving an Alfa since 2008.

I love my 68 Veloce. I don’t think I’ll ever sell it. Glad I upgraded options on it when I bought it, hit me in the tax but have the active suspension, q2 diff, sun roof, leather dash/trim, upgraded stereo and importantly for Uk, a sunroof. I love it, it’s plenty quick enough and drives beautifully. It’s a shame if they’re are giving up on it but as an owner it is rare, beautiful and even now at almost 5 years old it’s gets admiring glances and comments. Obviously the quad is amazing but the Veloce a magnificent sports saloon. I’m sure it will be a classic in years to come.

Alfa Romeo are focussing on the new Giulia generation which unfortunately will be all electric. This is the last of a kind. The best car in its class, still unsurpassed by any more recent German cars.

I fear that you are correct. Vale Sergio Marchionne. If only you had lived longer . . .

It's a fantastic car as it is. I had a 2018 Giulia Speciale and I'd recommend everyone to try it.

Giulia and Stelvio are amazing but you're right. Not enough sales means they're moving away from that platform and trying a new strategy where the Alfa brand is smacked on cars that share a platform with other brands. I understand why they would go this route but it's a real shame. Glad I am at least able to enjoy what could be the last true Alfa.

Re: at @5:15, you talk about the backup camera. The mentality of needing a better backup camera or thinking things like that are essential is the reason why this car isn’t selling (other than brand image). The backup camera does nothing to how the car drives. It’s great that it has one, but honestly it’s a small car with good visibility and you shouldn’t have a problem parking it anyways.

Sadly I agree but it also has to do that cars in general are no longer in great demand. It is a great looking car and I hope it's not down.

I wish to have a Wagon Quadri of this hopefully someday

What they really need to do is make a Guillia Quadrofogllio wagon / estate. They would sell loads of them.

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Yes please!

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a wagon would sell well in Europe, but not in America.

@markflower8885

Жыл бұрын

@@rlsedition Thankfully for Alfa there's a whole big world outside of America and 70% of their sales are in Europe.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

@@markflower8885 Perhaps thankfully for Alfa, but what about those of us in America who prefer this brand over others?

@markflower8885

Жыл бұрын

@@rlsedition As you said yourself a wagon version of a Guillia quadrofoglio wouldn't sell well in America so why would Alfa bother with that market? Maybe it's a cultural thing.

You can get them 5K off list price. I see a decent amount of Stelvios but rarely a Gulia

Hi Steff, The Abarth comparison is valid, but you can't blame them. I drove a Giulia on a couple of occasions, loved it, doesn't suit my hatchback lifestyle. Sums things up They should have developed the Giulietta more...,There is a theme Its a shame, its a great car Having said that, I think Alfa'll be OK under Stellantis

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

🙌

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

Alfa OK under Stellantis? Not if their Tonale/Hornet fiasco is any indication.

Some people are still saying give Alfa couple of more years to catch up. But the thing is, compare for the other brands like bmw, Mercedes, etc. Giulia is already behind on technology, and engine. Even the bmw’s entry model X1 has got all the latest techs like 360 camera, auto parking, heads up display, gesture control etc. in fact I personally don’t care about these techs, but the point is other brands are offering a bigger package to the broader market. And not to mention other brands have intermediate trim like m performances which equipped with B58, a engine that is both efficient and powerful and has tons of tuning potential. I truly think Giulia has more personality and style, but at the end of day, the fate of a car is decided by the majority in the market, not us car enthusiasts. Even from a marketing stand point of view, the new giulia doesn’t sounds as exciting as other brands. Because nothing important was changed, the camera is still bad and infotainment system is still lagging

The American reviewer has played a huge part in the downfall of the giulia. U.S. press spend more time talking about Alfas unreliable past than focusing on the car in front of them. Which has also lead insurance companies to put an unreasonable premium on the brand. That said the giulia has had perfect touches of improvements. It's a timeless design and an amazing drive. I think the people failed Alfa, not alfa failing at the car.

@bh2155

10 ай бұрын

You make a excellent point. That is all they talk about is the fiat and Alfa of 40 years ago. In reality the Fiat and Alfa Romeo is no worse than a GM or Ford product yet Americans give them a pass. Americans are bias to Italian and French auto makers and I don't understand why.

All they need to do is leave the mechanics of the car untouched and add cameras and redesign the dash of the car. Make it have 12.3" infotainment high resolution screen with surround view. Make the dash with leather and high end soft touch plastics and add a small feature like digital rear view mirror with high resolution reversing camera and it will start selling in droves. I test drove a Giulia quadrafoglio in 2019 and never ended up buying it and it is because north of 80K USD, the interior was showing hard plastics all over. If anyone sits inside the car, they will never think it costs more than $45 USD as it's interior is subpar. One more comment. Since it is not selling, isn't that the reason why company should invest in what can make it better selling ? Look for what your potentially buyer needs are. You already nailed exterior design and performance. All Guilia and Stelvio lack are interior dash looks. Isn't that the easiest fix for any car manufacturer to deal with ?

This car is literally perfect. Period.

BMW 330i or this? I feel like maintenance is way easier with a bmw dealer than Alfa

i think theres an update where you can have the whole screen as camera view and theres a company that sells better camera lents for the giulia and stelvio.

@GITSSAC

Жыл бұрын

Does the update work for all years or just the recent 2023?

@asr1143

Жыл бұрын

@@GITSSAC im not sure, heard people saying that i don't own the giulia or either a stelvio.

All I want is the 2.0L with active suspension in Montreal Verde.

I would LOVE to have the Giulia. ❤️ Just don't have the Money.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

Dealers do sell used ones.

Stef, its all simple and clear to me. Once Sergio Marchionne passed away.....the slow death of Alfa Romeo began. Stellantis could care less about the Italian brands Alfa and Maserati. There have been confirmed rumors for the past few years that Stellantis is looking for a buyer for the two brands. That would most likely come from Korea or China. Alfa's new Giorgio platform and the $5 billion euro factory FCA built in Cassino Italy to build the Giulia and Stelvio was all the idea of Sergio! He's gone and now the brand flounders. The last thing Alfa needed was another SUV and there are even plans for a smaller SUV (Made in Poland) coming? Insanity! Alfa has been a sports car brand and what they need is a two door coupe Giulia and convertible. Something very cool and stylish for under $50k. Instead, Jean-Phillippe spends his days at all you can eat buffets while Alfa Romeo disappears from the world stage.

Hi Stef 👌👌👌👌

@StefABtv

Жыл бұрын

Hey dude 🙌🙌🙌

It's an amazing car and should go into history just like this, now let's see what Allah have instal for us for the future.

It has been on sale for 7 years now. Must cars would be coming to the end of their lives. For 52k your can pick up a good 3 year old QF.

That’s the model and colour I was intending trading my 2020 Veloce in for. Until I saw a Competizione. There’s nothing to justify the price difference. And that red stitching… 🤢 Think I’ll stick with mine.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

Many of us Giulia owners feel the same way - why trade when the new car offers so little change?

👍

Think they should’ve added some more tech to this to make a feel a bit modern. They ripped the virtual dash from the tonale, why not also the newer infotainment system as well. I agree with you about the reverse cam as well. I really want one of these as my next car but the price tag is well into German car territory. It’s hard to justify buying this when frankly the Germans are better. Anyone buying this is going heart over head.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

I'd take the Giulia any time over the Germans; they are not "better" if you love to drive.

Well for one thing is that everyone knows thaat the same old car without a redesign does not spark any interest with consumers. Automakwrs use to completely rededign a car every 5 years for that reason. The other thing is that Alfa had not done enough to shed their "unreliable" image. They could do better if they invest more in their products. Take Kia/Hyundai they were they were the worse cars 30 years ago. People would laugh at you if you drove a Kia. They have revamped there image and everyone buys them. One thing Hyumdai did is they invested in their product line and they backed their cars with a 10 year 100k warranty. That gave consumers the confidence to buy their cars. Alfa Romeo needs to do the same thing! They have to improve consumer opininon about their vehicles.

It may be good but not 52.000 grand good.

@dylanoppeneer2354

Жыл бұрын

it is that good. its the way it drives, its not all about the engine in this car.

@xmaniac99

Жыл бұрын

Lel you can hardly buy a pimped up corolla cross or base camry for that money overhere. And you won’t even sniffle at a 3 series with an equivalent engine.

@MmacentralNl

Жыл бұрын

​@@dylanoppeneer2354 exactly. Once you drive it, you know.

less power than a corolla gr, very disappointing.

100kgs /220lbs lighter.

@rlsedition

Жыл бұрын

It's easier and less expensive to bump the engine power than to reduce weight further, though it's always a good idea to reduce weight.

You're right Stef, and maybe better so. The Giulia was never a pretty Alfa, far from the 156 the GT and the 166. If you look at all the photo's and speculations of how it was suppose to look before it came out, 4 years too late - They were all much better looking than the final design. For me it was a shame and not worthy, with elements of the BMW 3, and 2. No wonder it didn't succeed. Let's hope Alfa will wake the fck up and design an Alfa we are all waiting for.