Glad to see there are still guys out there that can make a 125 talk

@walthendr104

Жыл бұрын

Facts a lot of ppl be scared of the 2t Hit an can’t handle it an make it work right

@davecarson6100

6 ай бұрын

Make it sing from that video

125s are THEE 2 stroke sound everyone loves. When I was young my absolute favorite part of a motocross was the 125 start. A swarm of 125s going for the holeshot sounds like a pissed off yellowjacket nest.

Nothing better to listen to than a 125cc 2-stroke. Thanks for the fun video.

Honestly the most fun cc to ride and have fun with. Im a local pro rider, 6'2" 195lbs and enjoy my 450s but I rebuilt a 2007 rm125 from the ground up. I end up spending more time riding it just cause its an absolute blast.

So for a guy like me, closer to 50 than 40, track rider for fun and general conditioning, the YZ 125 is still the best. Kind of like the YZ 250. The blue 2 strokes are still the bike that is truly best for MOST riders. They lose out on the really pointy end of the scale, but if people are really honest about how they ride most of the time, the Yamaha's are likely the best choice. It takes a bit of humility to acknowledge that for most guys lol.

@danielnewman3441

Жыл бұрын

Great point. I'm 55 and have largely switched to hill climbs but still practice mx. I have a YZ125 and it's so much fun to ride. I'm at 225lbs so I had it bored to 144cc with an Athena. I'm a classic B rider and this bike is so much fun!

@brandonmitchell8846

Жыл бұрын

Yz 125 beat te gas gas last year how can the same two bikes finish totally different lol. I agree Yz 125 is great I couldn’t imagine a better riding bike. I love my 22’

@jth_printed_designs

Жыл бұрын

I had a 2005 yz125 and switched to a 2019 KTM 125sx and greatly preferred the feel of the KTM. Even though I'm 5'10", the lower seat height on the KTM feels better, not to mention the weight savings. The power was much smoother as well, though it did feel a little less punchy on the bottom than the yz.

@morley3810

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonmitchell8846 not in the MXA shootout. The Yamaha finished last in 2022 as well. Maybe you're thinking of another channel?

@completelylucid7596

Жыл бұрын

Lol so because something is inherently slower, less powerful, and more outdated that makes it “best” for most riders? Yeah you’re really reaching here.

Big thanks for acknowledging the other Japanese brands and TM in the beginning

Its awesome KTM is pushing 2 stroke tech forward and their new bikes are way more user friendly for the everyday rider who wants to ride 2 strokes. I love my '23 TC125!

@ec1xpse

Жыл бұрын

thats a husqvarna

@eric6rock

Жыл бұрын

@@ec1xpse KTM is lead developer's for the three brands. KTM is racing, Husqvarna is premium, and GasGas is the cheaper alternative.

@duckdiver5549

Жыл бұрын

​@@ec1xpse KTM owns and manufactures Husky; they are parent company.

@daffyduck9901

Жыл бұрын

@@ec1xpse all three are group KTM not any other order.

All these bikes look like a blast to ride...now if I was only 45 years younger!!

@Davido50

Жыл бұрын

Never too old to ride.

I assumed correct the late arrival of the KTM at the dealerships in the UK only 4 weeks ago was do to mapping issues. Apparently they aren’t flying out the sales floor either. At the last minute we decided to hang on till for a 2024 hopefully they will have them sorted by then. I don’t think we will have the detonation problems as we have 99 octane super unleaded over here

Great video Boys. Can't wait to see the 250 2T shootout. Cheers

Old school Carbed bike for the win !!!!!!

I wish they would do a professional 125-250 two stroke indoor series and for the price of a YZ you still have money and can make the bike just as fast as the others for about the same price. YZ is the way to go to me.

@HorsepowerHouse

Жыл бұрын

Never happen

@brianraymer5542

7 ай бұрын

​@HorsepowerHouse pipe Port job...some jetting work Should get you 2 to 3 extra horses

@64maxpower

6 ай бұрын

​@@brianraymer5542factory engineers are morons. Year after year someone with a torch and sheet metal in a garage in California can make exhausts better than factory engineers . They shouldn't even come with their junk exhaust. Everyone is going to buy a Pro Curuit pipe anyway

Small bore fun! Friend bought a new '23 Husky TC125 last week and there was an updated map installed by the dealer and his bike ran fine in both white and green maps (no issues). Please keep us updated on the latest maps (including map numbers) you are running in the KTM/Husky 125 TBI bikes.

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2023 KTM 125sx that I am doing a video series on my channel and discussing the TBI, ECU, mods, etc. Please follow me, I follow you and love your real world tests. J

@yamahakid450f

Жыл бұрын

These aren't TPI, they're EFI... The woods bikes are TPI.

@mxengineer1

Жыл бұрын

@@yamahakid450f Correct the XCW/TE models run Transfer Port fuel Injection (TPI) with an oil injection pump too while the '23 SX/XC 2-strokes are using Throttle Body fuel Injection (TBI) and premix fuel (no oil pump).

@andrewpereira1117

Жыл бұрын

Tbi

NOTHING like a sweet-sweet sounding 125cc 2-stroke!!

You can keep the new fuel injection lol I love my 22 husky tc 125. Total carb for the win!

So a Yamaha vs 3 ktms? Sweet

@skydivekid01

9 ай бұрын

1 KTM and 2 KTM wanna be’s

Old school is and always will be better. Carburetors forever!😊

How cool does the first minute or so sound, 4 125s pinned

That's exactly how Motorcross is supposed to sound! Tha Gas Gas looks sweet 🤘

The transition from Jody to Josh has been great. Nice job, Josh!

Figured the gas gas would win ktm has some work to do with the tbi yet! Thanks mxa for the shootout

Surprisingly, they found a lot of drivability differences when changing different colored plastics! This is science!!

Great video - you had mapping issues and no support from the manufacturers. This is exactly why I’ll never buy a bike full of electronics. You are a huge channel and figure in the community and you can’t get support. Imagine what it will be like for a private customer. I’ll take the yz any day over complicated and finicky electronics that when fail can’t be worked on.

2023 the year to retorne 2Strokes MX bikes 🤘🤘🤘👏👏👏✊️✊️✊️🤜🤛

YZ all day baby 32:1 woooooooo 💨 💨 💨

Nothing is more fun than whipping a 125 2 stroke around a track👌

finally been waiting weeks for this video

I like my MC 125. I like the soft suspension… but I was also able to save like 1k going with gasgas lol

Great shootout. I agree with the winning choice.

Mmm 2 stroke. Simple and sweet with some new electronic goodies (fuel injection, powervalve, starter). I’ve been waiting for the efi bikes to come out like 15 years ago lol but better late than never

Fantastic motor in the yz125

Pure music in my Ears, love that sh.. 😆 😎 ❤️

For next year will we also be able to see the Fantic and the TM in this comparison?

@jjwa5410

Жыл бұрын

Fantic's agreement with Yamaha is that they won't sell in the USA.

@matteosss

Жыл бұрын

@@jjwa5410 I know, but maybe you can import one or with the new year Fantic will bring them to US.

I like the cheaper bike that comes with better suspension and less problems

@kirbylee57

Жыл бұрын

The YZ 125?

@chazzgonzalez1356

Жыл бұрын

@@kirbylee57 indeed

I have the TC, first 2 hours on the bike and it cut out a few times in the white map. Scared the shit out of me but after those initial hours it went away. I feel like the rev limiter is abrupt and too early in the RPM’s. I’m hoping a pipe/silencer, vortex will help the power delivery. But even stock the midrange is great!

@Bpak222

Жыл бұрын

There is a update needed

@gerardogutierrez3840

Жыл бұрын

Yz 125 ningún problema con los mapas

I'm having the exact same issues with my tc125 that they go into detail about at the 16:40 mark of the video. My boy came back to the pits mentioning of backfiring and slight hesitation up top. We then tried the green map and it cut out even worse and he was in a whoop section and almost ate it when it cut bad in the higher rpm. I'm glad a large platform such as this is bringing it to light and hopefully KTM can find a fix.

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

Do not run green map, run white map (dealer told me this), as I was having the same issue on mine,,dealer installed an OEM KTM NGK BR9ECMVX and it seems good on the stand. I'm not telling you what to do, just what they did and seemed to work. My channel has a 125sx overview and tech talk. Please subscribe!

@mikeb4334

Жыл бұрын

@@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX Thanks for the info. I've watched and subscribed to your channel already. Love following what you are finding out about the bike. So just a hotter plug seemed to help things out a bit?

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeb4334 apparently so far..we will see, gotta get to the dyno, very low on hp..i can email you something if you want. jbonemotorworks@yahoo.com

@mikeb4334

Жыл бұрын

@@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX we have already been emailing back and forth. I'm brock161

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeb4334 oh lol hahah

Great production!!! 👌 Awesomely inspiring riding/video 🔥 You should make a version with just the riding, I'm sure it would get a lot of views! 👍

@64maxpower

6 ай бұрын

There are 100s of riding videos on youtube

Put my deposit on a yz125 yesterday! My 18 KTM 250sx is way more of a racer but the Yz125 is just fun

Great video and review as usual I think I'll wait a year for the KTM

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

I wish I did

@Davido50

Жыл бұрын

Not me I'm grabbing a new KTM 250 2-strokes now. -NY

@matisvanasse5905

Жыл бұрын

@@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX why

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

@@matisvanasse5905 the new 23’ 125 has had its fair share of issues right out of the box and KTM has little to offer for fixes.

@matisvanasse5905

Жыл бұрын

@@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX If I’m not wrong the 24 just came out? Will you get one?

yamaha all day no questions

Love all the gas gas twostrokes

So initially what we're looking at here is the Japanese vs the Austrians... Seems fair to me. Now all the needed for the Japanese to crank out two more bikes *coughs in RM & Kawi*

Power to weight is king . Everything else can be helped . 125 pilots are fearless anyway.

Yz 125 will always be the greatest all-rounder

Gas gas will land in 3rd next year when it gets TBI. Can’t wait to see how the 250 and 300 bikes stack up.

@kineticfix

Жыл бұрын

Is it getting TBI for sure?

@brandonbladen4691

Жыл бұрын

@@kineticfix I imagine they will. The only reason i could see them not doing TBI is to keep the costs down to compete against yamaha... but with all the frames and engines being the same in all their bikes im guessing all gas gas bikes will be TBI next year with the exception of the last of their TPI 300 and 150 trail bike models?

The ktm/husqy manual clearly says to use 98 octane fuel, so it should be minimum 93 octane for the us. It seems pretty clear why the ktm was detonating

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

98 ROZ is about 93/94 in the US, you are correct.

That yz always my go to bike

@inbaconwetrust1739

Жыл бұрын

Same

The sound of 2 stroke ❤❤❤❤❤❤

You guys absolutely fucking nailed that intro!

You guys should include the 4 stroke 125s from the brands that don’t have 2 stroke 125s that way they get embarrassed n make 2strokes again

Yz is first in my book for 3 reasons. The price, suspension, and carburetor. I’m not sold on efi. Call me old school, but I like having the ability to swap jets vs. hooking a laptop to my bike or being forced to dump in C-12. Tech does not always trump mechanical in my book. Until there’s an app on my phone to adjust the mixture on the fly, efi is a deal breaker for me.

@alexfeatherstone6676

10 ай бұрын

Yeah good point but the oil being pre mixed via the throttle body is super cool and a massive attraction to fuel injection.

@christopherevans4978

8 ай бұрын

I have a 19 150 sx and I love that it’s just simple and easy to work on

@SoCalMisfit712

5 ай бұрын

The jetting on this bike sucks.

@eightzerotwo

5 ай бұрын

@@SoCalMisfit712 Agreed. Mine was super rich from the factory. I only ran it like that through the break in period. I don’t remember exactly what it took to get it dialed for my climate and elevation but I know I’m down 3 sizes on the main and one size on the pilot and it’s still a bit fat on the hotter days here. But my point still stands, a little elbow grease and some plug readings and my bike is dialed.

Best sound

My favorite thing about them is the pops. Take care of the map but leave the pop. This test was great.

@HorsepowerHouse

Жыл бұрын

Pop is not good. Never has been.

Love my yz125x!

When you switch from the ktm clip to the gasgas it was like a switch. Can hear how much harder and further the gas gas pulls on top

it is a rev limiter and when ur hitting it you shoulda shifted long ago

Cheers

When will there be a 250 one?

3 different coloured KTM´s vs 2006 Yamaha with a 2022 motor 😅 Sad that this is the state of 2 strokes today. Still I would ride any of those with pleasure.

The new fuel injected bikes do sound different. More like 250 in the upper IPM.. IMO

missing the TM.... I wait for a full comparison.

Coil spring forks ftw!!

Mapping issues on stock ecu but ktm and husky finishes ahead of the new yz. What a wash

7k for a 125 is ridiculous

miss the sound of a sworm of bees

YZ still the best for 90% of everyone. And honestly, if you slap a better exhaust on it and take the time to properly jet it, the yz will perform the same as the other bikes if not better. The price gap is enough for me to justify those tune ups...

Gasgas is the best value for money

Future motocross

Coisa linda de ouvir

Traded my 125 for a new Kawasaki KX 450. Never went fast again😥

You should have used k2 injector or belray si7, in the injected bikes. They are still fuel injected and require “JASO FD” mix oil. Im not sure even k2 injector is FD rated. Could have changed the test, idk.

I mean in the owners manual it does state to use “98 octane with a 2 stroke oil 1:40” so yeah the newer bikes would be at a disadvantage in this video and have some mapping issue like stated in the vid.

@Dierk200185

Жыл бұрын

Yes thats a good point. The 2023 KTM 125 SX manual states" Super unleaded (ROZ 98 / RON 98 / PON 94) ( p. 139)" which is equvalent to ~93 US gas (R+M/2) if not even a tat higher. MXA states 2:28 they use 91 octane gas, therefore they run out of spec fuel. To conclude the KTM has detonation issues due to mapping should be revised imo @motocrossaction

@abracing199

Жыл бұрын

thats 98 ron, not what we have in the US.

@michael589m

Жыл бұрын

@@abracing199 U.S. 93 is equivalent to European (Ron) 98. The tbi system is not that intelligent, it doesn’t have O2 sensors and can’t make adjustments for an octane or oxygenated percentage change. It just mixes fuel and air. And then they add leaded fuel to bump the octane 🤦‍♂️ it’s just silly for them to go threw all this effort without using the proper fuel in these bikes. It’s comparable to doing a shootout without checking tire psi! It’s just silly.

@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX

Жыл бұрын

@@abracing199 98 ROZ

Nobody can beat the goat. Yz 125 Yamaha.

I was a yamaha nut rider from 06-17 and only rode yz's but got sick of paying modern pricing for a bike from 2006. Once you throw a leg over an orange one it's instantly apparent which I'd the more advanced and superior machine out of the box.

@2216sammy

5 ай бұрын

Yamaha's goal is to get more people riding by having parts available for bikes that are decades old . They don't care about having the highest performing bike anymore they care about longevity .

I wonder if Gas Gas gas will make the mistake of going with the new FI engine next year? They'd be smart to continue with this less complicated platform so their customers have a clear choice to buy what they prefer. I think they should all go at least 144cc (I prefer 167 cc) and put pressure on the AMA to allow them in the 250 4-stroke class at all levels of racing. Would be a big shot in the arm for racing, especially at the amateur level

@jeffgongas7808

Жыл бұрын

At the amateur level (AMA) 250 2-strokes are already allowed to race against 250 4-strokes. But most are faster on the 4-strokes.

@DickDebonaire

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffgongas7808 thanks for explaining the way the rules work. I think it's a good idea to lower the costs, rather than whether it's a advantage on the track or not

@HorsepowerHouse

Жыл бұрын

​@Stephen S low cost is not in high level performance (in anything.) Get a used trail bike.

@DickDebonaire

Жыл бұрын

@@HorsepowerHouse better yet a new Honda Trail 125 like I did last week

How does the beta 125 stack up against these?

I,m from the Netherlands, doesn’t sound good for the husky and the ktm to run lean here in the deep sand ….. in my opinion the yz is the best bike

yz125🤩😍🥰

YZ ON TOP

@mxr248

Жыл бұрын

This guys a joke cause he rides KTM.. I’ve rode the yz and some friends that have KTMs actually said the yz is better than their bikes. Even said the power was stronger throughout. Funny this moron said the yz stays on longer and gives you more on top then turns around and say the ktm might cut out but has more power? Wait what?😂

@herbcanter2114

Жыл бұрын

YZ will outlast all the rest especially in reliability.

@mxr248

Жыл бұрын

@@herbcanter2114 oh absolutely true.. there is no question about that!

When did vortex release a KTM 2 stroke ecu? They stated publicly they weren't interested.

With the added weight of 204.5 lb's, does that effect the power to weight advantage on the new platform KTM/HUSKY? and does it effect them in turns and handling over jumps?

@tannermiller5888

Жыл бұрын

No, five pounds will be negligent

@georgecarmel6114

Жыл бұрын

@@tannermiller5888 cool, thanks. Maybe the added weight might make the air forks feel more plusher on the initial stroke.

@tannermiller5888

Жыл бұрын

@@georgecarmel6114 not sure about that, if that were the case then they wouldn’t still be shitty on the 450s

@64maxpower

6 ай бұрын

A whole 5 lbs. Don't even pretend to act as if you could notice

I have a KTM 125. Why am I even watching this?

They loved the yz125 in every single way, yet gets 4th place because of 2 hp less. Get it, its all about power on 125s, but a great suspension and chassis can make for better lap times

Why don't KTM/Husky/GG Make a power tuner tool/app for their bikes like the Yamaha 4 strokes have standard? It doesn't make any sense to have to buy a completely different aftermarket ECU just to be able to get your bike top run properly on what fuel you have available locally, let alone tune it to suit your own preference/riding.

My son has the KTM and he says it feels like it cuts out and he doesn’t feel comfortable hitting jumps. How much c12 do I use to help with the popping? Why does it that?

It's pretty sad not seeing Suzuki's, Honda's, and Kawasaki in the party 😕

Been a fan of MXA for almost 30 years. This shootout is definitely compromised. Cheers to the crew for all the hard work though.

Maybe just maybe they should have equaled out the playing field and put the good Dunlops on all four bikes. Everybody knows after a few weeks we will be changing out our tires anyway. Also maybe use race fuel most of us run race Fuel anyway.

do you guys know if the 2023 KTM 125xc has the same issues with the tbi? or is it different maping for off-road and it works fine?

@benjaacevedoc5735

Жыл бұрын

do you have a xc125?

@The2006200

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaacevedoc5735 nope

Too bad you couldn’t get a Sherco and BETA . Basically you just got a KTM and a Yamaha. BETA should be easy enough to call and get a bike. I figure Sherco would be wanting to share a bike too.

Funny how nobody mentions the fact that in MXGP they have 125 series that Reese’s on the same series as the 250 and 450 class Anyone mention who won the 2022 125 MXGP series and on what bike?

All I’m hearing is mapping issues and no support. So much for EFI being easier than jetting. Guess sticking to carb it is.

Kaplan sent me :)

I like blue, i like yamaha

I think one thing that's overlooked is the weight gain of the new models. It's not all attributed to the electric start, f.i. etc., but everyone assumes it is! My 23 (22 F.E.) 250 four stroke gained around 5 lbs. over my 2020 model. And the electronics between the 2 are very comparable. My 19 SX150 is 203lbs. ride weight with some extra guards, Lectron carb, PC exhaust and lot's of Ti hardware. But hey, all these 125's are light!

I pick yz125. I prefer to Stick with the carb. Fuel injection and maps on a 2 stroke? KTM turning a 2-stroke into a posing wanta be 4-stroke. My 125 I love the snapping powerband. My 250f is nothing like the 2-stroke

What oil ratio did you guys use in the Husky and KTM?

Yamaha ALL DAY LONG!

YZ⚔️

Yamaha YZ125 (Where can one buy one) any store recommendations.