I love how well versed in the material the swami is but you immediately understand that Michael is presenting the teaching in its pristine form. Thousands of years of philosophical conjecture have perhaps been sincere but it may be that the greatest gift of Ramana was to point to the truth directly, and that is what Michael James amplifies for our benefit.

This is like Christmas Day for advaitins . Two great souls debating the Truth . We are truly Blessed 🙏🙏🕉️

@DorisBrown-qe7pd

Жыл бұрын

Bless originally means to be covered in old pagan altar blood no thanks & Christmas is pagan by the way

@DorisBrown-qe7pd

Жыл бұрын

There's no truth here at all he's demon possessed

@DorisBrown-qe7pd

Жыл бұрын

Realty is not real actuality is duh

@DorisBrown-qe7pd

Жыл бұрын

The game of life is never over whatever he says it's the opposite actually

@DorisBrown-qe7pd

Жыл бұрын

He's brain washing that's all 🤣

If “debates” as this would be shown at CNN the world would be very different. God bless these two great spiritual teachers Michael James and Swami Sarvapriyananda

@anandsamuel1978

Жыл бұрын

Of course CNN would not show this sort of shows because CNN is an EVIL manipulative news media!

@Amila108

Жыл бұрын

♥️🙏🕯️🕉️☮️☮️☮️

@DorisBrown-qe7pd

Жыл бұрын

Bless originally means to be covered in old pagan altar blood ORIGINS count read The God Dellusion by Richard Dawkins he's a famous biologist and your not 🚫

@liviuclipa

Жыл бұрын

This is not a debate.

@akshayb362

8 ай бұрын

These two are enlightened beings

Sri.Michael james is the greatest exponent of teachings of Ramana Maharishi.

Brilliant show! Sarvapriyananda is a humble and modest genius!

protect this man at all costs

I never heard before of Micheal, but he is simply awesome 🙏🙏🙏

@mythilin.5731

Жыл бұрын

6:33

@prasadhprasadhn4654

10 ай бұрын

But all are not familiar with his pronunciation and we have to strain our ears ....

@kamalkumarattinagaramu8065

10 ай бұрын

@@prasadhprasadhn4654 I was mentioning about his knowledge on Advaita Vedanta

Dear and respected Michael, your being and knowledge, once again, brought tears to my eyes remembering so many instructive and profound discussions of the past in your forum/blog… which for many of us was the key that opened Sri Bhagavan’s teachings to our understanding of ourselves and reality. What a gift from Bhagavan you have always been!… Thank you one more time. With Love and respect, Mouna

@asomal123

Жыл бұрын

Something emanates from both swamis ❤🎉 What a blessing, ego resides while hearing their speech 🙏🏼

@awesomed007

Жыл бұрын

sathya sai baba devotees use the word "bhagavan" with same misfitted benevolence, just as devotees of ramana ... these are bogus babas!!! this is kali yug ... jesus told to judge the seed {guru} by the fruit {devotees} ... here we see ramakrsna parahamsa to be worlds apart from ramana. the qual;ity of rk ashram swami is far superior. Same Swami from rk mission admitted in some other video that ramanas interpretation of vedanta was rigid!!

Thank you for this beautiful Gem episode, and we are very lucky to witness 2 great nondual master are discussing the truth . Love to hear more . Thank you, organiser , Swamiji, and Michael. 🙏❤️

Brilliant. The brilliant young Swami and the wise elderly Michael.

It is really great to see the knowledge of Mr James about sanatana Dharma. Even many Hindu Monks don't have such knowledge.

Bhagawan 🙏. Swamiji 🙏. Michael ji 🙏.

Shree Micheal James Ji was very pecise, concise in explaining Bhagawan's teachings.

The talks makes me think of an old hymn “ behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity “

It's a teaching of human behavioural science to conduct in a satva way to live greatly, achieve greater heights by control of mind , talk human service, and meditate

Very beautiful, clearifying some important points….. these type of interactions are really helpful to people….. gratitude to you guys 🙏🏻

I couldn’t focus on what Michael said. It just brought tears to my eyes seeming his face light up every time he spoke of Maharshee. I aspire for such pure love 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

@rajeshwardoraisubramania7138

Жыл бұрын

I have seen him breaking down while he talks about Maharishi Ramanna.

Tamils used to name children one of their god's names so every time you call that person remind 'that you are' for the person and for those who come to interact with them. Watching your ego that plays up as 'I am' is the most simple and wonderful practice to become self-aware.

So beautifully said/explained Adaita vedanta by two great souls.Truly blessed to have found Sarvapriya ji and through him other great souls.

How wonderful to find you both together, in my youth I found Sri Ramana M. and He helped me through many trying times. as an elder I found Swamiji and the teachings of A. Vedanta which helped me to understand better what both were teaching / The same. Very grateful to find you both together here today....Muchas Gracias and Love to all = One and All.

@selvamthiagarajan8152

Жыл бұрын

I hope someday you will find me

@juthikasen6141

Жыл бұрын

L

@vimalastorey7735

9 ай бұрын

Anything perishable is not reality ❤😂

@vimalastorey7735

9 ай бұрын

???

wow! I´ve been waiting for this meeting! THANX!😇🙏

Thank you Swamiji. Thank you Michael. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

So good to see the mutual respect.

So Gooooooood 🦋🌸🕉️🙏🏼

Just beautiful - Thank you Thank you Thank you

Marvelous!

I was just beginning to realise advaita. Just as I was realising this I began noticing certain changes in me. I realised world is a play of energy. Shivas cosmic dance. Then I suddenly stopped because I was beginning to be pulled apart from my family . Then I realised I have duties to my family. I can't get into this without fulfilling responsibilities to family. So I request you to spread message to everybody to get into vedanta only after fulfilling family responsibilities.

@mohanachandrannair20

Жыл бұрын

Sir, your doubt is normal But it IS possible to full fill all the worldly resposibilities even after KNOWING the truth. (Perhaps with out fear of failure) . You are halfway through, don't abanden.

@lazaruscomeforth7646

4 ай бұрын

Fulfilling duty to family is also nondual. It only feels like being pulled away because of latent attachment to a projection of what spiritual life ought to be. Let go of subtle projections and be a nondual householder. Householders can be fully immersed in the nondual because nonduality is simply the truth.

Jai sweet Dharma, Jai!

Pranaam Swami Saravpriyananda ji

Ramana is the best teacher of Ramana’s teachings.

Thank you very much! My deepest respect. Very helpful for me. Please repeat it.

Jai Maharishi Ramana.

I’m blessed 🎉🎉🎉

This is so wonderful 🙏🙏🙏

As a tamilian I can't undersand a word he says in tamil but overall exaplanation in english is simply amazing

@shenth27

Жыл бұрын

@@Saurabh-iw5gkyou try to evolve as a human first before passing comments

Thank you for your grace

Thank you❤

Years back, I heard this word Thathvamasi and fell in love with the word without knowing the deep meaning of this and got a tattoo done on my neck where the people can read it. Now I feel proud that, atleast people will Google it to know it's true value.

@michaeldillon3113

Жыл бұрын

Yes there is this term Mahavakya which gives me a thrill whenever I hear it - not least from Michael James or Swami Sarvapriyananda ✌️🕉️

@selvamthiagarajan8152

Жыл бұрын

universally accepted correct English spelling is ' tatvamasi'. I hope you got that right on your neck.

@idafernandez7229

Жыл бұрын

@@selvamthiagarajan8152 oh no. I have it a Thathvamasi. Can't redo too. That's real sad 😢.

@agvineesh

Жыл бұрын

​@@idafernandez7229 you have communicated correctly.. It's all about intentions..

@tubehepa

Жыл бұрын

@@selvamthiagarajan8152 (Sorry for my bad English; am Finnish, like Mr. Jussi Penttinen) The devanaagarii text is mostly one continuous sequence of consonants (because the short a-vowel is inherent(?) in the consonant characters): तत्त्वमसि ; it can be read either tat tvam asi (that thou art) or tattvam asi (tattva [literally: thatness (you)] are). 😵‍💫 -- Jai Guru Dev, Svaamii Brahmaananda Sarasvatii, Shankaraacaarya of Jyotir maTha (1940 - 1953), guru of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi!

Wow What Clarity Thank You ❤️🙏

To anyone struggling with ramana's teachings, all you have to do is hold on to the feeling of "I" and that's it. I accidentally stumbled upon this technique and I became enlightened on my own in 2 weeks at age 31 (now 34). I didn't go through ego death, as my merging with the universal consciousness was making functioning in the world very challenging, and out of compassion for my family and cat, I decided to stay in the world. So, hold on to the feeling of "I" for a few hours a night after work, and watch it happen. Time will stand still, and everything will look like you're on psychedelics. Love you all ❤️

@iistheonlyproblem2241

Жыл бұрын

Sri paul ji I want to talk to you... Please share with me your WhatsApp number or any other contact number and or you email Id please...My Pranam to your holy feet

@iistheonlyproblem2241

Жыл бұрын

Your saying is absolutely correct..in few words you have said everything sir...

@awesomed007

Жыл бұрын

this is not practical or wise!!! vedas says to seek the knowledge ... bhakti and knowledge are not interchangeable. horse and cart situation, horse must come first, then cart will follow and be useful ... ramana has taught wrong if he actually taught this!!!

@davidjohnzenocollins

Жыл бұрын

Please, could you clarify what holding on to "I" means? Thanks.

@lazaruscomeforth7646

4 ай бұрын

​@@davidjohnzenocollins the sense of I is the simple sense of being, the hum of existing. It goes deeper as it settles beyond all projections and movements of the mind.

Excellent introduction!! Good clear❤ reminder

Thank you both for this enlightening video

Sri Vivekananda ji and Sri Ramana ji....shared teaching and make it better by ' respecting your and others life'. Holding hand where contemporary are saving them from greed and fear ...and 'respect life' !!! Q&A, respect to both masters here...who are coming forward to hold light for rest !!!

Thank you. What a joy! I am grateful to Michael James and Swamiji. Hari Om

Swamiji ❤ thank you and Michael j 🌸thank you

If anyone is interested then Swami Sarvapriyananda can be found in conversation on KZread with Bernardo Kastrup.. This happened very recently. I think that Bernardo is a very significant person indeed . Here we have a very highly qualified scientist philosopher who gives compelling evidence for Idealism. This was bound to happen because Quantum Physics seems to be catching up with the aeons old philosophy of Advaita Vedanta. Advaita doesn't need scientific validation as it stands alone . Personally I think we are on the cusp of a change in scientific outlook that will be more profound than Heliocentrism. Bernardo in my humble opinion is one of the forerunners of this cultural change . I am hoping that our Blessed Michael will be able to chat with Bernardo . That will be a treat indeed 🙂. 🙏🕉️

@johnmcdonald260

Жыл бұрын

I do not share your enthusiasm. This video here is one of the very few by Michael I can live without, it is just a chat and scratches barely the surface of Bhagavan's upadesa. I am also not interested in the musings of Swami Sarvapriyananda and Bernardo Kastrup and anybody else who is not following Bhagavan's path. That said, should Michael make another video like that I won't watch it. Of course this kind of video attracts many more seekers (what is necessarily not a good thing) and is spiritual click-bait 🙂

@johnmcdonald260

Жыл бұрын

My point is, for a devotee of Bhagavan there is no need for the concepts of other teachers or philosophies. A scientific outlook is irrelevant and part of maya, it can never touch what Bhagavan has taught. What does it matter if we are indeed on the cusp of a change in scientific outlook? Scientific outlooks are born by jivas with limited understanding, and as you've correctly said, there is no need for scientific validation. And why? Because science can never validate pure consciousness since it does not even exist in pure consciousness. Science, no matter what science, is actually ignorance. Bernardo could never add something relevant to Bhagavan's teaching.

Namaskar Swami Sarvapriyanandaji Maharaj 🙏🏻 Namaskar Michael James Sir 🙏🏻 Thank you for blessing us with this wonderful retreat 🌹 Thank you Sri Ramana Teachings for sharing this video 🌹

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Great❤l❤❤l so helpfulĺĺ

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Amazing I’m very grateful just want to he was spreading this system of Advayta Vedanta I would add the word completion to the conclusion of the Upanishads love and light😂🕉☮️☮️☮️❣️❣️❣️❣️🙏🙏🙏👍🏼

What a great things to share in a nut shell from these respectful people like desciples of Ramakrishna paramahamsa and Ramana Maharishi. I have to go into self enquiry. Everything happens for a reason becos of poorvajanma samkaras. Thank you very much for this wonderful Q&A session. To realise i am God.

Wonderful session. Thank God I have listened this session!

@srinivasramanujan4354

Жыл бұрын

How is this session any different than watching, say porn? Understand what I am asking before you attack.

নমস্কার মহারাজ। ভালো বলেছেন ।🙏🏻💙🕉️

@bangaliyogi

Жыл бұрын

আপনার 'ব্রহ্মসুত্র ' সম্বন্ধে কোন আলোচনা কি ইউ টিউবে আছে? এই শাস্ত্র টি নিয়ে আলোচনা ইউ টিউবে চোখে পড়ে না। নমস্কার মহারাজ। 🙏🏻💙🕉️

Pranams, after realisation we will realise atmanandam the real paramananda. Meditate, investigate self through ego, kill the ego and experience the bliss

All this variety of aspects, views, explanations is like fresh Air for diff. Levels of seekers. Always welcome.! Even prof. Rama Subramaniam was most enjoyable , entertaining , deepening & broadening the monotone descriptions of understanding👌💐✔️

merci !

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Yes only infinite conciseness

🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼🕉️

I feel truly blessed by these two great masters.May they live long to bless many more souls!

@srinivasramanujan4354

Жыл бұрын

Why do you need a master to tell you what is and isn't? What does your conscious say about those?

@paldenngodup8238

Жыл бұрын

Ego investigating Ego itself is the key to Selfrealization.That’s what my consciousness says.

@srinivasramanujan4354

Жыл бұрын

@@paldenngodup8238 So that which isn't investigating that which isn't?

@paldenngodup8238

Жыл бұрын

@@srinivasramanujan4354 Yes!That’s the end of the investigation.

@paldenngodup8238

Жыл бұрын

@@srinivasramanujan4354 The self-realized one

Wow, Michael really explained the real/unreal - Ego, I Am, Brahman excellently @ 1:38:15 🙏

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Only the enlightened can say that the world is real. 😶😶 I am speechless. My pranaam to the witness within.

This was really precious. I would love a part 2, 3 etc. Thank you❤🙏

@sreeladevi1780

Жыл бұрын

Michael dear u shud 'n must have such interactions from diverse vies ultimately arriving at de same Ocean...summit, pinnacles of de same Truth, same end from diferent & diverse pathways❗💐

@sreeladevi1780

Жыл бұрын

B' cause Michael dear, yr occidental face, voice, presence, vocabulary usage of an Occidental researcher, devoted seeker, follower, aspirant of spirituality, & a ven'ble teachers conviction clarifys de subtle deep rooted bias in us mankind🙏🌹🤗

@sreeladevi1780

Жыл бұрын

Verily verily ! Truth is One, paths are many ! ..... it is de veritable Truth just expressed, 'n presented to deepen our faith, convince our unfoldment bringing more Conviction of Truth to Life❣️👍🌱👌

What dedication? from all

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Ellam Ondre 🙏🕯️🕉️☮️☮️☮️♥️

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Pl bring David Godman and Swami Sarvapriyananda together for discussion on the subject.Thnks.

@shaneashby5890

Жыл бұрын

I second that 🙏

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Silence and kindness.

OM 🕉🙏🔥

A clearer audio copy of this video can be listened to or downloaded from Sri Ramana Teachings podcast (ramanahou.podbean.com ): ramanahou.podbean.com/e/advaita-vedanta-and-the-teachings-of-sri-ramana-maharshi-with-swami-sarvapriyananda-and-michael-james and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened on the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from mediafire.com/file/f94m4276qse8xbl

@michaeldillon3113

Жыл бұрын

Michael thank you for this . I am breathless! Michael - regarding how the jnani sees the world . I often wondered who reported the detail of Bhagavan's journey to Arunachala . If Bhagavan reported it ( including other events things He mentioned ) did He use the first person or the third person ??? Thank you 🙏

'The Path of Sri Ramana' by Sri Sadhu Om, the best comprehensive introductory text on Bhagavan Ramana's teachings, is available as a free audiovisual book here: vimeo.com/showcase/10199064 or bit.ly/posr2023 Most of the recent videos of Michael can be watched completely free of advertisements here: vimeo.com/ramanahou/albums . Please click on the showcase/playlist of your choice to watch the videos.

🥰💙🌊🕯 🙏🏼

10:20 Many years ago I realized, When you superimpose all the knowledge in the universe, you see the mind of a creator.

Short Q&A videos from this channel can be watched on youtube.com/@sriramanateachingsqa

2:00:17 = picture of the face of Bhn;looking at His eyes...His eyes draw our attention on ourself;the saying "By being born in Tiruvarur,...or by mere thought of Arunachala,there is Mukti";v 10 of Patikam;

Traduction française en cours. Échange essentiel entre deux voix de Lumière

@GeorJiadvaita

Жыл бұрын

@@saravanapavan1962 Tamils are blessed to have received Bhagavan teachings in the holy tamil language. What a boon.

@GeorJiadvaita

Жыл бұрын

@@saravanapavan1962 hearing Bhagavan teachings as shared by Michael is also a boon. Om namo bhagavate Arunachala ramanaya 🙏 ⛰️

@sylvierobin-tellier2517

Жыл бұрын

Merci infiniment de faire ce travail. 🙏

How Humankind Came To Be "... New Year’s would normally be a time for sharing a few pleasant remarks about the occasion. But I am seeing imminent danger approaching humanity, and have been called upon by divine beings to pass along, for this reason, several things to everyone in this world. Each of what I am about to disclose is a higher, closely guarded secret, and these are being shared to provide a true picture of affairs, and to give people another chance at salvation." *** Why the Creator Seeks to Save All Life "...The Creator is the Lord of all divine beings in the Cosmos. He is the maker of the Lord of lords, of the King of kings, and He is the Sovereign of all lives-including the Three Realms’ human lives, spiritual beings, and material things, all of which He made. His love is the highest and most sacred blessing for all lives! There is no greater honor for any person in this world than to be loved by Him!" New articles by Master Li Hongzhi on Minghui website

An interesting discussion. It leads to the same Brahman . Paths a bit different

Is a photo of Bhagavan just a photo . No , no , even a photo of Bhagavan will ignite His Living Presence within ( and without ) you 🙏🕉️

@jeanfrancoisbe2

Жыл бұрын

i think the same thing , not just a photo : ; say thing with Amma's picture or Sathya Sai Baba 's picture .....i m following these 3 masters.

@parth6115

Жыл бұрын

Ramana is within us

@Amila108

Жыл бұрын

So beautiful 🙏🕯️♥️🕉️☮️☮️☮️

@michaeldillon3113

Жыл бұрын

@@Amila108 Yes Bhagavan's image is so beautiful 🙏🕉️

@lovethelove9928

Жыл бұрын

@@jeanfrancoisbe2 once baba was asked by his fellow devotees. What is the difference between Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, Swami Vivekananda and Swami(you)? Baba Replied, Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, Vivekananda uplift themselves from human level to Godliness but I(swami) descend from God level to the level of humanity to uplift the mankind. So my understanding is Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, Vivekananda, Amma Karunamayi, Amma Amritanandamayi, Maa Aanandamayi maa are great sage reached to the level of Godhood (Sai). I bow down to them with great Reverence.

Becoming only exists in relation to what is an object for consciousness. For instance, an ideal is an object to consciousness. Turning attention to consciousness does not constitute becoming, because being conscious is not the object of anything.

I was disappointed that you finished your first address with the advice to praise God After the revolution of THAT ie Brahman as self Anyway I found mountains of gold in your words thank you

@yogikundaliniananda8757

Жыл бұрын

Intuition rather than rationality helps seekers

In short,we have to really understand everything and try to integrate all to one root ?

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Most respected swami ji. We have received adequate Explanations and analyses. Can you state what one has to DO to obtain “Brahman” “pure advaita” or “pure consciousness”? WHAT that is well and clearly described . DONE. But With the sole exception of Bhagavan Ramana Rishi no one has actually attained “pure awareness”. Have they? That is so because we do not know what exactly you want us to DO.

@ant_0ine

7 ай бұрын

This comprehensive liberation that Bhagavan Maha Rama Rishi achieved at the age of 16 can be achieved by anybody (as per Advaita) and this liberation comprises of three components: The first is what we term "Enlightenment" in Sanskrit - a realization of reality, where individuals confidently state, "I have seen it" or "I get it." But, intellectually realising the truth of reality alone isn't sufficient; two more components are vital: The second is "Vasana," the purification of the mind, involving the eradication of past impressions. The third, "Manasa," signifies the destruction of the mind, allowing for deep meditation, an advanced form known as Samadhi. In accordance with this text, achieving full-blown liberation in this lifetime necessitates understanding the truth of one's nature as Atman Brahman or pure consciousness. This realization must be vivid, clear, and beyond doubt. The second component involves transforming an impure mind, a result of life conditioning, into a pure mind. This requires dedicated ethical living, manifesting the enlightenment realization through a morally upright life. The third component is intensive meditation training to prevent the mind from wavering and to maintain focus on reality in Samadhi. Complete enlightenment is attained when all three components are developed. Such an enlightened individual would not morally falter. The text also distinguishes between those on a progressive path and those with direct realization, asserting that those who have followed a progressive path experience full-blown enlightenment. For others, stumbling upon enlightenment requires a deep inquiry, after which intensifying spiritual practices, maintaining a moral life, exercising self-restraint, and deepening meditation are recommended to stay with the newfound truth.

Volume is not at all audible.....very very low!! 😌😌😌

Michael James's voice is so funny😂 (not intended to offend anyone, just sharing the funny notice😁)

@justahumanbeing.709

9 ай бұрын

yes, he's like a cool little hobbit!!

@Silensio

9 ай бұрын

@@justahumanbeing.709 exactly!😃

@justahumanbeing.709

9 ай бұрын

@@Silensio He left the hobbit village when he was a lad and went on an adventure to Arunachala to find the 'precious'!

@Silensio

9 ай бұрын

@@justahumanbeing.709 😆👍

My respectful pranams to both these intellectual giants. I know I cannot get a fraction of their knowledge, but I see hope in their one statement, to know Brahman, you need only Bhakti, I hope I can do justice to this path alone. Jai Ramakrishna! Jai Bhagwan Ramana !!

@awesomed007

Жыл бұрын

this is not practical or wise!!! vedas says to seek the knowledge ... bhakti and knowledge are not interchangeable. horse and cart situation, horse must come first, then cart will follow and be useful ... ramana has taught wrong if he actually taught this!!!

1:50 buttom left corner.. it should be Swami Sarvapriyananda.. not Sarvapriyananda Swami

1:55:29 We are not ego we are not the I. Ego doesn’t exist yet it hasn’t been created. It hasn’t yet com into exist. 1:57:20 ego seems to exist only because we identifying as the body.

Maya and prarabhda are intertwined?

27:19 = M J begins;51:00 = v 16 of Upadesa Saram;54:10 = UN v 25;UN v 24;59:40 = end of MJ;Q &A =1:07:00 = MJ;1:1à:00 = UN v 18;1:18:20 = UN v 26;1:29:50 =all our burdens on God (even the burden of thinking ) and surrender (Nan yar parag 13 );

@gerardgrimardia3274

Жыл бұрын

1:10:00 = U N v 18;

1:23:00

Please clarify whether Allah upanishad is one of the 108 Upanishads as claimed by Indian Muslims?

@SriRamanaTeachings

Жыл бұрын

Namaskaram, I had never heard of such a text, but googled it and found the answer to your question here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopanishad Namo Ramanaya 🙏🙏🙏

@1commonplace519

Жыл бұрын

It is NOT one of the 108 Upanishads. It was written in Akbar reign in 16th century.

if nothing is there and consciousness is by default just plain blank, what is point of being in blank state. Won't it become bored of just being in a blank state ? If enlightment means just blank awarness and nothing else what is point of realising that ? Can someone explain please. I am a bit confused

@johnmcdonald260

Жыл бұрын

First of all pure consciousness is not really a "blank" (and to know that actual Self-enquiry is necessary). That is a judgment of the ego which is addicted to multiplicity and an immense variety of objects. It is also from the viewpoint of the ego that believes to get bored. The ego itself is the problem and the solution is to realize that this ego and its world is an imagination and not real. In order that there is a curiosity or interest to explore pure consciousness the ego (or what you to believe to be - this person) unfortunately needs to suffer a great deal to realize that this multiplicity does not give lasting happiness, it is always a cycle of pleasure and pain until one finally wants to end that cycle. Once that desire appears the first steps on a spiritual path are taken. Until then one keeps chasing pleasure and tries to avoid pain and suffering, an endless cycle of hell. It seems you have not suffered enough to be willing to explore infinite and lasting happiness as pure consciousness which is not a blank but subtle peace, full and empty, beyond the comprehension of mind.

@next-topgaming

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@@johnmcdonald260 Thanks for the explanation. If the inherent nature of consciousness is joy and peaceful, why it created ego ( if there is only consciousness then ego has to come from it only) in the first place. Why it projected world from itself and then entangled itself in it. If it comes out of entanglement from ego and maya or whatever it is , will it stay like that forever or after some time go back to ego and the same cycle repeats. ( i don't know what that really is - but from various books and videos my understanding is - " realising oneself to be pure consciousness and not associating with the avatar in the waking world, dream world and sleep is the essence of that") . So will an enlightened person after some amount of time again go back to ego and maya ? . Why consciousness created or projected the world , why does it do that. why it cannot be just remain as is in joy and peace ?

@johnmcdonald260

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@@next-topgaming Bhagavan was asked that question often. Pure consciousness did not create ego, it is not even aware of ego. The ego cannot exist without pure consciousness, however it is unreal seemingly appearing in consciousness. Since the ego is not real one cannot know the cause of its appearance, that would be trying to know the name of the child of a barren woman. With the rise of the ego this world appears too (pure consciousness did not create or project this world, only ego does) and with that the whole cycle of maya. Bhagavan suggested to look if that ego really exists (Self-enquiry) and if one has found the ego then one can wonder why or how it came to be. Since there is truly no ego that question evaporates after that is practically realized. There is no such thing as an “enlightened person” what would suggest that ego is pure consciousness. That is not the case. No person or ego can be pure consciousness or enlightenment. The ego needs to evaporate and with that any sense of individuality what we now consider to be, that mind and body. Self-realization is the annihilation of the phantom mind and only pure consciousness is left. That is a permanent state, in fact only pure consciousness ever existed but that is only completely clear after realizing self.

@next-topgaming

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@@johnmcdonald260 The whole vedantha way of understanding this relies on logical reasoning. For example, since there can be nothing apart from consciousness, the world is not real and so on. Hence it relies on questioning and reasoning to come to the conclusions. The logical reasoning breaks down when questions arise on what creates ego ( or the illusion of ego) . What is the need for consciousness to explore itself by limiting itself to bounded objects in the world. I think only by taking a third person view, it can inspect itself. Why it is doing so and for what, that i think nobody knows. The problem of conciousness , i think it still open.

@johnmcdonald260

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@@next-topgaming [Pure] consciousness is not exploring itself by limiting itself, that concept comes from half-baked spiritual teachers - that is not what Sri Ramana has taught. Pure consciousness is perfect - perfection does not limit itself, that is a preposterous idea. The limitation is the appearance of the ego and with that consciousness is seemingly connected with insentient matter through a “knot” called chit- jada-granthi. Ego needs to explore its chit-aspect (what is called Self-enquiry) and by doing so it realizes its own non-existence in being or attending to chit and only chit and not to any adjuncts like this world or any phenomena. Pure consciousness is NEVER doing anything, the only doer is the ego and even here in order to realize self being is the only way and not doing.

One should first understand meaning òf Mithya.

The “snake” is the interpretations, models, theories and beliefs superimposed to “what is”. The rope is “what is”. The rope is Consciousness. The snake is the measurements and the interpretations of the appearances of Consciousness. Phenomenon means “that which appears”. The root meaning of the word “maya” is "to measure". When you consider the measurements as if they were the beings and things themselves, you are living in illusion. There is only Consciouness.